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Friday, June 8, 2007

[rawfeeding] Re: "Yellow" chicken vs. "white" chicken.

When I was in hight school (in the old days, early 70's), I was in
FFA and raised a pen of broiler chickens. We fed them things like
cornbread, corn and shredded carrots. Feeding these things made
their fat, feet and beaks yellow as opposed to white. This is
probably some variation on that. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Liz Jones" <ekmelgarejones@...>
wrote:
So I got myself over to the local cheap meat store finally(Chicago-
area people take note ... if you haven't discovered Peoria Packing
Butcher shop yet, do so soon!)It's all self-service, you put some
gloves on and help yourself off the ice tables. They had
both "yellow" Purdue chicken pieces and "white" chicken pieces. I've
seen these different "colors" of chicken before at my local Mexican
grocery store. The chicken has a yellowish tinge to it. I wondered
if it was some seasoning or something? On the whole "yellow"
chickens was a Purdue label and I read it but it didn't indicate
that they'd been enhanced or anything. Any ideas on the difference?
I bought the "white" chicken because it definitely looked un-messed-
with. I really don't want to feed the pup anything that's been
souped up with some kind of seasoning.
Liz

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Re: [rawfeeding] "Yellow" chicken vs. "white" chicken.

On Jun 8, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Liz Jones wrote:
> It's all self-service, you put some gloves on and help yourself off
> the ice tables. They had both "yellow" Purdue chicken pieces and
> "white" chicken pieces. I've seen these different "colors" of chicken
> before at my local Mexican grocery store. The chicken has a yellowish
> tinge to it. I wondered if it was some seasoning or something? On the
> whole "yellow" chickens was a Purdue label and I read it but it didn't
> indicate that they'd been enhanced or anything. Any ideas on the
> difference? I bought the "white" chicken because it definitely looked
> un-messed-with. I really don't want to feed the pup anything that's
> been souped up with some kind of seasoning.

"Colored" chicken skin is from colored birds, like Rhode Island Reds,
or the equivalent meat breed. White chickens produce the pinkish
skinned meat.


ginny and Tomo


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[rawfeeding] Re: Bone-in beef

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, John and Jeni Blackmon
<jonjeni777@...> wrote:

***Jeni,

Thank you very much for your response.

I did serve the leftover pork shoulder roast at night and watched her
closely. She ate it with no problems. She worked on it for few
minutes, which is much longer than e.g.the same size turkey leg, but
still threw up some pieces of sharp, bone next morning. And yes, some
bone was in her poop as well later that day. But I do not worry about
it as much, thanks to people like you and Giselle (and many, many
others) who answer posts from the unexperienced newbies.

>Mine LOVE the chicken feet, I keep them on the counter when I am
fixing my own dinner, they get them like candy, if yours throws them
up, does she eat them again, because that is ok., they can do that.

**Yes, the first time I served the chicken feet, my dog was so
excited, that she practically inhaled the chicken foot. Threw up and
ate it immediately. Next day I offered it frozen, which meant she had
to spend some time actually chomping. I guess it helped - no vomiting
after that.

Mariola

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[rawfeeding] YouTube Video of my Dog Raw Feeding.

Eating some chicken breast.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG5aLvv0tvc

-Ed

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[rawfeeding] Re: Seasoned Pork...OK?

Bearhair <bearhair@...> wrote:
>> I would be concerned about the added salt.
*****
So would I.


> However, that being said, I have read one raw proponent suggesting
that a
> little additional (sea) salt might be advised to offset the lack of
blood
> being fed in a prey model diet.
*****
How much is enough? How much is too much? How often is too often?
Sounds like a belt and suspenders operation to me. Seems to operate
on the same assumptions that lead to veggies in the diet.

Tom Lonsdale recommends putting out two water buckets, one salted,
the other not. I don't believe it is necessary but at least this
method leaves the choice to the dog.
Chris O


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Re: [rawfeeding] "Yellow" chicken vs. "white" chicken.

I think those would be corn fed chickens - meant to be a better flavour
or healthier or something, but I didn't like the one corn fed chicken my
mum bought many years ago. I don't think chickens should really be
eating only/mainly corn anyway should they?

-Anna + Pi (fed up of chicken) + Sunshine (loves chicken!)


Liz Jones wrote:
> >>> They had both "yellow" Purdue chicken pieces and
> "white" chicken pieces. I've seen these different "colors" of chicken
> before at my local Mexican grocery store. The chicken has a yellowish
> tinge to it. I wondered if it was some seasoning or something? On the
> whole "yellow" chickens was a Purdue label and I read it but it didn't
> indicate that they'd been enhanced or anything.
<<<


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[rawfeeding] Re: Bone-in beef

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:

> > I still don't understand what you mean that a beef bone is not
> >
> today she has an 8-oz piece left with a
> > sharp bone in it , and I am afraid to give it to her.

> **** If you don't like the look of the bone, don't feed it. You can
> cut it out and feed the meat. Or, you can watch her closely and take
> it up if it looks like she's not making headway on the bone. ****
>

Giselle,

I gave it to her as you suggested and watched her. She enjoyed it,
but threw up some sharp pieces next morning (10 hours later), more
sharp pieces came out later in her poop. She was not interested in
eating her vomit.

>. Throwing them up doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't good for
> her, or that she won't tolerate them. Will she eat them again? If so,
> let her. Not to worry. : )

Yep, that is what she did with chicken feet.

Next day I served one frozen chicken foot - that helped, since she
had to slow down. Also I gave it to her at the end of her meal, not on
the empty stomach as I had done the first day. No vomiting after that.


Pigs ears are waiting their turn - this week-end.

Thank you for your advice.

Mariola

Just means that she may need to adjust to
> them. Offer only a couple at a time.
Pig's ears are good fun, too. Not
> a meal. Try them frozen, or dry them in the oven and store in the
> freezer. Both have skin and cartilage, good for a dog in moderation,
> but not meat. ****
> TC and let us know how you progress!
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey
>

> >
>


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[rawfeeding] Re: Newbie - Need advice on adding next type of meat

"wenigj" <wenigj@...> wrote:
>
> What about pork called carnitas? Looks like it's smaller pieces, but
> could it be added to chicken quarters to make a meatier meal? Seemed
> to be the least expensive of the pork.
*****
Sure. It's pork. Probably not as inexpensive as buying a picnic roast
but the cutting up is done, which counts for something.

I add chicken backs to pork meat meals; adding pork to a chicken
quarter makes no less sense.
Chris O

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[rawfeeding] Re: Curious about the 80/10/10 ratio

"brutus_buckley" <brutus_buckley@...> wrote:
> I can't help but wonder about this stuff sometimes, despite my
efforts
> to shut myself up.
*****
You don't have to shut yourself up! If ever what you ask is really
egregious, we'll let you know. Maybe by volume bones assume more than
the percentages we cite, I dunno. And I think it's fair to assume that
the condition of the critter--fat, lean, emaciated--would have some
effect on the balance of bone to not-bone.

I know that the bunnies and baby goats I feed utterly whole are
profoundly hairy. When I have to skin a rabbit for my foofoo golden
that won't do it himself, a huge amount of rabbit is removed when the
skin comes off.
Chris O

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[rawfeeding] Raw feeding a 1.5 pound puppy ?

Hi,
I'm a newbie and started my two Yorkshire Terriers on raw a few days
ago. My 11 year old 9 pounder and my 1.5 pound puppy. I started them
with chicken thighs. The older one wouldn't touch it and went hiding.
The puppy dragged it around for 30 minutes and couldn't get ANY meat
off. I tried it again 3 more times, same results. So I ditched the
chicken into the freezer and gave them each a pork neck. Both liked
it, but it took them each one hour just to eat one and there was
still a stump left at the end and I'm not sure how much the puppy
actually got to eat, it's hard to tell since she's so small and
doesn't eat that much anyways. That same day the older one had loose
stools, but the puppy didn't. What's my alternative to feed my senior
if he doesn't like chicken and pork gives him the runs? I guess I
might have to feed them different meats each, which sucks big time!
My question is, since they're so small, can I just cut up the meat
and organs in small pieces at one meal and toss them a meaty raw bone
another meal? My senior has bad teeth and breath so I think chewing
and tearing is very important! I want to follow the prey model as
close as possible, I just don't know how that's done with such small
dogs. Many people here have large dogs and it just seems easier.
Also, do any of you wipe your dogs down with something after they're
done feasting? My dogs were covered with stuff after!
Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks
Nadia

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[rawfeeding] Re: Freezer died :-(

"helpshelteranimals" <helpshelteranimals@...> wrote:
> How about a chicken thigh that somehow fell into the garbage grinder,
> marinated with next day beer, water from the sink and soap from
washing
> hands, produced tons of tiny gnats and wasn't found for 4 days!
> (Wondered where that ghastly smell was emanating from!)
*****
Euw.
That's not rancid, that's gross.

I look at "rancid" as a solo accomplishment. What you describe here is
an accumulation of insults. I think the thigh should have stayed
buried in the garbage disposal.
Chris O

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[rawfeeding] "Yellow" chicken vs. "white" chicken.

So I got myself over to the local cheap meat store finally
(Chicago-area people take note ... if you haven't discovered Peoria
Packing Butcher shop yet, do so soon!)

It's all self-service, you put some gloves on and help yourself off
the ice tables. They had both "yellow" Purdue chicken pieces and
"white" chicken pieces. I've seen these different "colors" of chicken
before at my local Mexican grocery store. The chicken has a yellowish
tinge to it. I wondered if it was some seasoning or something? On the
whole "yellow" chickens was a Purdue label and I read it but it didn't
indicate that they'd been enhanced or anything. Any ideas on the
difference? I bought the "white" chicken because it definitely looked
un-messed-with. I really don't want to feed the pup anything that's
been souped up with some kind of seasoning.

Liz

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[rawfeeding] Hi! New Here!

Hi, I'm Lydia and my dog is Lila. I also have 2 cats, Zazu and
Gibson, and 5 rats, well 4 since I had to have one PTS yesterday :-(.

Anyway, my dog is currently on half raw, half kibble and canned. For
kibble she eats a cup of Nature's Variety a day, canned is various
premium brands, just enough to mix with the kibble to get her to eat.
She's hated dry kibble all her life, she's now 7yrs, but she took to
raw like a fish to water...or a wolf to a kill, maybe would be a
better description? LOL!

For the raw I do rotations of RMB's, nature's variety raw, and a
meat/veggie/whole egg mixture. I use to add oatmeal to it but stopped
recently on advice from someone on another raw list. I feed raw in
the morning and the kibble at night.

I know you all are going to tell me to ditch the kibble and go with
the canned. I guess I'm still using it as my "safety net" for the
vitamins and minerals, just in case she's missing anything from raw.
Also we travel frequently and I'm worried about a boarding kennel not
doing the raw or not doing it properly. Also I'm worried about how
bits and pieces of whole prey can really substitute for a whole prey.
I guess this is where green tripe comes in? I do have access to lots
of different types of meats, organs, even sweetbreads sometimes (which
Lila hates), but I'm not sure when, how much, how often, etc.

I also wonder about the long term effects of a raw diet. Does anyone
really know anyone who has had dogs live out their entire natural
lives on raw? Were they really much longer than kibble fed dogs?
Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to convince myself to go
100% raw but am a little hesitant! Any and all advice is much
appreciated!


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[rawfeeding] Re: General questions...

"Jersey" <heytruebluesavvy@...> wrote:
> 1.) About how much a month, total, does it cost to feed raw to one
dog? (I'm not looking at costs per lb or comparisons...I'm looking
for actually total amounts of money people spend a month on the rfd.)
*****
Doesn't strike me as the most logical way to approach expenses, but I
suspect (since I don't buy monthly I can only guess what I might
spend monthly) for a 60lb dog I average $45.

> 2.) What are the nutrients, vitamins, supplements, etc that I need
to make sure my dog has daily or weekly in his meals?
*****
They're all in the meat, meaty bones and organs you feed. Every last
one. Supplements are useful for specific health issues, otherwise,
pfft.


3.) Can he eat something that has a handful of nutrients one day and
then something else that has the rest of the nutrients he needs
another day?
*****
The "nutrient" thing is a throwback to formulaic diets constructed in
a laboratory. When you feed whole raw meat, organs and bones you are
feeding actual food. When you feed actual food, whatever it is you
feed that day provides its own nutrients. As long as you are feeding
species appropriate food--whatever that is, whatever day you're
feeding it on--you're providing high quality, highly bio-available
nutrients.

You might want to check out the USDA Nutrient Database. by comparing
the value of porksay, to beef, you'll see that both meats are quite
generous with a full range of nutrients.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

> 4.) What is the best way to introduce a raw food diet to a puppy?
(details please!)
*****
Ditch the kibble, feed raw. There is no free introductory offer: you
simply do it. Nike was right.

Perhaps you might join Yahoogroups (http://www.yahoogroups.com), then
link to the rawfeeding list in order to browse the archives. The
requests for detailed switch-over instructions--for pups, for adults,
for seniors, for dogs with significant health issues--number in the
hundreds, as do the answers. Be easier on everyone I think if you
were to use the archives.


> 5.) What meats out there are the best for dogs to eat?
*****
Meats, meaty bones, organs. A good raw diet is primarily but not
exclusively meat.

"Best" as I define it is whole natural grassfed ruminants, small
mammals and high Omega 3 fish. I'm sure others define "best"
differently. Regardless of how one's dietary dream team
materializes, the best foods are minimally processed and species
appropriate body parts that are easily acquired and reasonably priced.


6.) What meats out there have some side effects? (like diaharea (sp?)
*****
Diarrhea is generally a symptom of bacterial overgrowth or
parasites. Loose stools OTOH are generally caused by too much food,
too much new food, and too much fat. Any meat--any food--can cause
loose stools. Handler error is the most common cause of digestive
distress.

What are fatty meats? Pork and lamb primarily, but any meal with
more fat than the dog can comfortably handle can cause digestive
issues. What are lean meats? Meats with little subQ fat and little
marbling, like white fish, emu, wild meats.

Side effects other than digestive distress might be weight gain or
loss, dry coat/skin, protein sensitivity, financial woes or shopping
dependency. Any meat is capable of producing these results.


> 7.) What meats out there should I avoid feeding?
*****
Try to feed minimally processed food. Try to feed grassfed food.
Try to feed wild, sustainably harvested fish. Beyond that, only
avoid those body parts that a. your dog doesn't do well on and/or b.
you cannot afford.


> 8.) How long does meat need to be thawed out for, generally, before
its completely edible to be consumed?
*****
Meat, meaty bones and organs can be feed frozen if needs be, and they
can be fed at any point along the continuum between frozen and room
temperature.


> 9.) What are some good starter bones in meats that a puppy could
safely chew and consume?
*****
Rib-in chicken breasts are good to start with. Most chicken parts
except those that are exceptionally bony like necks, backs and wings
can be used to great advantage. Backs are useful for adding to a
meaty meal; wings when attached to the breast or at least cut
generously from the whole bird are good, too.

Other possiblities are pork riblets or at least a bit of pork neck
bone; game hens, whole quail, rabbit, perhaps lamb breast/riblets.


> 10.) I have over half of a 39 lb bag of Purina Puppy chow left, not
to mention whats in the storage container - I'm not one to waste
something that I buy...is it ok to feed him raw one day, kibble the
next and rotate in that order until the kibble is gone...or will that
screw up his digestive system?
*****
It's probably doable in terms of not significantly messing the pup up
but Purina Puppy Chow truly sucks, so why don't you simply bite the
bullet and donate it to a shelter. No, it's not good for shelter
dogs either, but shelters need donations and your pup needs real food.

Feeding through a bag of Purina Puppy Chow to save--what? Twenty
bucks maybe--is false economy.
Chris O


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[rawfeeding] We've moved - reintroduction

Hello all...

It's been some time since I've posted - it's been a busy year ;-)

We've finally sold our house - and are living on-site while we build
our new one.

We'd like to invite you to our new website to see our beautiful rawfed
Boxers.

http://www.tamgarboxers.com


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[rawfeeding] Re: Fish oil amounts?

"Anndrea" <anndreae@...> wrote:
>
> That's amazing.
>
> The first fish oil softgels I posted were from Puritan's Pride. I
> think it was Omega-3 Salmon Oil...in the 500mg and 1000mg.
>
> Did I just not give enough info? I gave what I had in the catalog.
*****
Anndrea, this is what you posted:
The place I want to buy from has 500mg and 1000mg softgels that
contain the following per 2 softgels:
500mg:
80mg EPA
120mg DHA
200mg Omega-3 fatty acids

And this is what Jaimie posted:
Per softgel:

Calories 10
Calories from Fat 10
Total Fat 1 g 2%*
Saturated Fat 0 g 0%
Polyunsaturated Fat 0.5 g **
Monounsaturated Fat 0 g **
Cholesterol 0 mg 0%
Fish Oil 1,000 mg (1 g) **
EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) (Omega-3) 300 mg **
DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid)(Omega-3) 200 mg **
*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000
calorie diet.
**Daily Value not established.

Other Ingredients: Gelatin, Glycerin, d-Alpha Tocopherol. Contains
fish (sardine, anchovy, mackerel, salmon, herring) ingredients. Made
from the oils of cold water, deep sea fish. Marine Lipid Concentrate.

If these two descriptions refer to the same product it's no wonder
there's confusion. Buy the product as described by Jaimie, 1000mg
per softgel. Maybe we should let Puritan know that their catalog is
not very helpful!

Sorry for all the hoops. Look at them as a learning experience.
<snort>
Chris O

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[rawfeeding] Re: General questions...

Sandy wrote:

>> 7.) What meats out there should I avoid feeding?

>Meat you don't own, maybe? Meat out of my freezer, certainly.

Damn, wonder if it's too late to cancel my trip.

Lora
Evanston, IL


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[rawfeeding] Re: Fish Oil in Australia

Hi, Lindsay!
Why not Google Salmon Oil, and choose an online source to order from?
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> does anyone have a good source for fish oil (ie. wild salmon or other
> high omega three oil) in Australia?
>
> I haven't seen it in either the pet store, grocery store, or anywhere
> really, we are in a small town in N. Queensland
>
> I have one cat and one puppy on raw, but all we can get is factory
> raised meat so I know they need the oil
>
> Thanks
>
> Lindsay
>


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[rawfeeding] Re: Seasoned Pork...OK?

Shannon wrote:

> I have a question for the non-newbies out there. Boneless porkloin halves are on sale in my area and I was wondering if they are okay for the dogs? They are seasoned, which only means contain salt. I have fed them before and they have handled them fine, but I just wondered if they are safe before I buy them again. Please keep into consideration that pork is never on sale in my area unless in this form.

No pork on sale in Canada?

I would be concerned about the added salt.

However, that being said, I have read one raw proponent suggesting that a
little additional (sea) salt might be advised to offset the lack of blood
being fed in a prey model diet.

Chris . . . Jane . . . that sounded like it might have some credibility -
your thoughts?

Lora
Evanston, IL


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[rawfeeding] Re: Seasoned Pork...OK?

Shannon Parker <mrbatisse@...> wrote:

> Boneless porkloin halves are on sale in my area and I was wondering
if they are okay for the dogs? They are seasoned, which only means
contain salt.


If your dogs have already had this and done okay, well, okay. Me, I
wouldn't be comfortable with it. I think a high-salt diet is as
inappropriate for dogs -- with consequences just as unhealthy -- as for
humans.

But I'm uninformed on the issue, that's just my gut feeling.


> Please keep into consideration that pork is never on sale in my area
unless in this form.


Have you asked at the meat counter? I would be very surprised if they
couldn't give you a better case price on something like boston butts or
blade roasts than they could give on these boneless pork loins. Even
if they have no other demand for it, if you're buying the whole case
that shouldn't matter -- they'd probably be willing to order it for you.

-- sandy & griffin

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[rawfeeding] Dog Dieting

I left a nicely shaped 22 lb Cavalier King Charles Spaniel with my husband
for seven weeks. Had divided each days food for that dog and my sheltie so it
was just take out the bag, thaw and feed. Easy. But when I came home my lovely,
lively 22 lb is a pudgy dragging 31 pounds. Seems he had been eating all of
his and a good portion of the sheltie's food. Velvet (sheltie) is a slow eater.

So now I'm trying to get his weight back down. How low can you go and still
have them healthy? I'm feedling 5-6 oz right now. Can I go lower? Is this
enough? Thanks for your help.

I came home with another rescue. A 6-year-old 4.3lb chihuahua. She began on
raw the first day she came to me and by the time we came home to the other dogs
she was eating chicken, beef, pork and has had her bites of liver and heart.
So funny to see this tiny little thing tearing into her food.

Thanks for all the help I got as I began with raw about five months ago. This
list has been both encouraging and enlightening. ~Pat


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[rawfeeding] Re: Newbie - Need advice on adding next type of meat

"wenigj" <wenigj@...> wrote:

> What about pork called carnitas? Looks like it's smaller pieces,
but
> could it be added to chicken quarters to make a meatier meal?
Seemed
> to be the least expensive of the pork.


I thought carnitas was a cooked dish. From Wikipedia:


"Carnitas (from the Spanish for "little meats") is a type of braised
or roasted (often after first being boiled) pork in Mexican cuisine.
Sometimes it is actually prepared by frying. It can also be made from
beef using a chuck roast, although using pork seems to be the more
common method.

Pork carnitas is traditionally made using the heavily marbled,
rich 'boston butt' or 'picnic ham' areas of the hog. Contrary to
their misleading names, these are neither butt nor ham areas, but
rather the upper and lower sections of the front shoulder of the hog.
The 6 to 16-lb sections are usually cut down to a workable (6 to 10-
lb) size and seasoned heavily before slow braising or slow roasting,
generally in the range of 160 to 180 °F for 8 to 12 hours. At this
stage the collagen in the meat has broken down sufficiently to allow
it to be pulled apart by hand or fork or chopped with a cleaver."


If it is in fact uncooked pork meatymeat, though, it should be fine.

-- sandy & griffin

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[rawfeeding] Re: 1st time chicken questions

> But what should I feed this evening? Maybe a drumstick each, with
> the skin removed for a later time? Or with the skin? I hope this
> isn't too many questions, I just don't want to make another mistake!
>
> Patty and the brat pack

Hi Patty,

Mine is 9 1/1 lb so were in the same boat, lol.

Luckily mine is a self regulator so I'm not too worried
about him gaining weight.

When I feed chicken he gets one drumbstick or 1 thigh or 1 chicken
breast at a time...... I've just started leaving about half of the
skin on as he's had soft stools most of the last month.

I find whichever piece of meat I give him he doesn't eat it all in
one meal.

It usually takes a day of two meals or sometimes 3 meals for him to
finish it, lol.

If yours decides to eat the whole thing, then tomorrow just give them
a snack and don't worry about it......especially if they don't get
loose stools from to much food at once. If they do you'll have
learned they can't eat till stuffed yet and the next time give them
less to eat at a sitting............

You'll catch on and in no time will know who's the piglet and who's
more careful and be able to judge if you can put down a whole leg or
breast so they get some chewing time.........

It's kind of like those on here with the big dogs.......they give
them a big chunk of roast or something so they have to tear & rip to
get the meat off..........good workout for the dog and good for their
teeth and gums.

We have to do the same for our little guys, just on a smaller
scale.....

I did try mine on a whole pork roast once. I think it so big it
scared him, lol. He wouldn't go near it.....I finally gave up and
cut small pieces off it, but he was by then so psyc' out that he
wouldn't eat, lol. Back in the freezer and another day!

Most of the time he does not eat the bone....... about once a week he
will chew up the ends of the bone. I figure that's probably all he
needs or he would eat more of it..........10 % of bone isn't alot.

As far as making mistakes? Don't sweat it.......we are all making
little mistakes all the time........they don't hurt us, we learn from
them and more importantly, they don't hurt our dogs.......

We are giving them the best life ever.............

It makes me so happy to see my little one chomp down and eat like a
normal dog should for the first time in his life.........he loves it
and seems a lot happier too!

Carol & Charkee the Russian (Yummy, Chicken leg tonight)

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Re: [rawfeeding] Fish Oil in Australia

I just give some tin salomon at times plus sardines plus the fish oil caps you buy for us humans , they get one a day of those, my ones eat the pure raw roo not processed no presevatives at all in it,
Jen
----- Original Message -----
From: irwin_bird
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Fish Oil in Australia


does anyone have a good source for fish oil (ie. wild slamon or other
high omega three oil) in Australia

I haven't seen it in either the pet store, grocery store, or anywhere
really, we are in a samll town in N. Queensland

I have one cat and one puppy on raw, but all we can get is factory
raised meat so I know they need the oil

Thanks

Lindsay

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[rawfeeding] What is the difference between Elk,Venison,Deer,Antler/Bison and buffalo?

Hi,What is the difference between deer,Elk,Venison,Antler?Are all those are Deer and all is name of breed??

Also,what is the difference between Buffalo and Bison?

And,what is Trim meat? I hear it is a meat without bone,but worth getting to feed?

Thank you

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[rawfeeding] Re: corned beef

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Jai <JRedwing@...> wrote:
>
> Shirley, thanks for your information. But as far as the sammies for
me,
> not a possibility, I am a vegetarian! LOL
> I do have friends that will enjoy it tho...
> Jai
>

### Well Bless your heart (((Jai)))
For doing the best thing for your fur-kids.

~Shirley /0,0\

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[rawfeeding] Re: do chipmunks count? from Newbie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "linoleum5017" <linoleum5017@...>
wrote:
> Question of the day: Can a chipmunk suffice for breakfast? My cat
> brings one to him every morning, pretty much. Wish the pup showed
> more appreciation than stomp and steal, but well, manners ain't
> everything. He's 40 lbs., approx. He gets a nice, big dinner. So
> far, only chicken, (and, well, chipmunks....) and that's going
> great. (2 days into it.)
>
> Will keep you posted,
> Lynne

And to think I spent yesterday live trapping them and taking them to
the park for release! Got 3 but don't have the heart, guts, lol to kill
them...........

and my dog expects me to be the hunter.........

Carol & Charkee the Russian

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[rawfeeding] Re: Pig's feet

We get whole pig's feet about 6 inches long. Delilah (GSD) will eat
the whole thing. It is the only thing that takes her a long time to
eat, abot 45 minutes. 5 month old Bear gets half way through his and
literally falls asleep. It is too much for him. Samson can take them
or leave them. He is much happier running up and down the fence doing
fence patrol than eating a pig's foot.
Kimberly

> I bought a bag of pig's feet today. Some are split and some are
> whole. They're frozen.
>
> I have Collies. Should I expect them to eat the entire thing? Or
> should they not eat the bone? Thanks.
>
> Candace and the 4 Collies
>


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[rawfeeding] Re: Pig Stomach

Roxanne wrote:

>I ran across some frozen stuff in the store last night that was labeled pig
>stomach. Is this good to feed on the raw diet? If so what portion of the
>diet does it fall under? Organs or muscle and tissue?

Pork stomach, also known as "hog maws," is "scalded to remove the mucosa
lining and washed absolutely free of any foreign material. The color may
range from white to a light pale yellow." It's also tough as leather. But
according to the USDA National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference:
"Pork, fresh, variety meats and by-products, stomach, raw" has 45 calories
per ounce.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

I'd feed it as meat.

Lora
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[rawfeeding] New to group

Good Morning!

My name is Dawn and I have 2 retired Greyhounds that I've started on
raw feeding just 3 days ago..I'm still a bit nervous and need some
advice!

I started with chicken leg quarters....nothing else... as I read to
introduce with only one food source for 7-14 days before moving to
the next.

Problem is hard small stools...should I take out some of the
bone?...or add a small amount of organ meat??? Maybe this is
normal...BUT like every "newbie" I'm thinking bowl obstruction by a
bone!!! I know that is not very likely but I jump to the worst
possible scenarios!

Also I'm feeding each 1 quarter in morning and one at night...they
are rather large pieces...are they getting enough??? They both weigh
between 62-68 lbs

I know these ???'s have probably been asked before so I appreciate
your patience!!!
Dawn

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Re: [rawfeeding] do chipmunks count? from Newbie

The cat has the advantage of freedom in the neighborhood, to the chagrin of the nature-feeding lot. I find when I only let him out at night, we get along better in the neighborhood! He can eat his own kill peacefully, all night long, then sleeps all day. Braggert that he is, however, he displays his nightly prowess in the driveway, and so when morning comes, the dog does HIS duty, and cleans up. Yum!

Today, instead of chipmunk, my pup was served a young rabbit. Guess this throws my intake-control into the trash-heap, but my dog has eaten weird stuff from day one: bamboo, dog poop, weeds of all sorts. I think he's been trying to make up for something his body craved that wasn't in k***e. Now he's happy as can be. We'll see how his stomach handles all that fur. Can hardly be worse than bamboo, though. Bamboo poop is a sight to behold. And long-lasting, lol.

Back to the cat - he gets a tiny bit of kibble twice a day, which lures him back home, away from gawking neighbors. I'm sure they would just cringe if they knew I have switched to rawfeeding for the dog, too. There's always one trouble-maker in the neighborhood, and if it's not your neighbors, check the mirror.

Thanks for the encouragement,
Lynne

John and Jeni Blackmon <jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Lynne,
So, what's the cat eatin? But if the cat don't want it, pardon the english or lack there of it, then sure, let the dog steal it! Mmmmm, chipmunk, tasty.............can't see why not, it's prey model, he didn't have to hunt it, but as long as he does his own chewing, and doesn't make the cat do that for him, should be ok:) imho:)
Jeni
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[rawfeeding] Re: turkey necks?

We give turkey necks once or twice a week as part of a more meaty
meal. They will get a turkey neck & 1/2 lb boneless chicken or the
like. I have German Shepherds and they love their turkey necks. The
puppy likes them frozen since he is teething.
Kimberly

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: corned beef

Shirley, thanks for your information. But as far as the sammies for me,
not a possibility, I am a vegetarian! LOL
I do have friends that will enjoy it tho...
Jai

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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Jai <JRedwing@...> wrote:
>
>> My lil grocery friend cheaply sold me some corned beef.
>>
>>
>
> Hurry up and cook it and have some wonderful corned beef sammies for
> dinner ;-))
>
> ~Shirley
>
>
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[rawfeeding] Re: Addicted; was Feeling Frustrated and ready to give up Raw

Bumble1994@... wrote:

> Heck, why didn't somebody warn me about this addiction!


As with most things =), it's in the archives. Try searching
for "addict" or "shopaholic," and you'll find threads like this:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/35521

But it's a good addiction, I've decided.

-- sandy (thoroughly addicted) & griffin (who reaps the rewards)

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[rawfeeding] Re: What do you stock your freezer with?

"merril Woolf" <merril@...> wrote:

> Besides all the usual stuff, I have sheep heads, goat heads, bagged
fetus's, (not sure what
> species), emu heads, goat, cow, emu necks, ostrich hearts, livers
(from assorted species),
> VERY GREEN tripe, lungs, more lungs, pork, rabbit heads, organ
blend and a few assorted
> bags of unidentified stuff that has been there a while.

Oh! Griffin wants me to ask you if he can come over for dinner. Or
for a week, or a month, or something. Just to help out, y'know. He
is a helpful guy.

How are people getting fetuses? (feti?)

-- sandy (so glad Griff can't read) & griffin (who would DEFINITELY
no longer think I'm such a great hunter, if he knew what I COULD be
getting)

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[rawfeeding] Re: Puppy - I'm not sure what to do next: Update

I switched this puppy to beef and so far, so good. Stools are getting
toward what they should be. Maybe she's just not a poultry kinda girl!

Thanks for the advice.
Carolyn

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tobyfwest" <tobyfwest@...> wrote:
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>
> I have a 12 week old border collie puppy that I got 2 weeks ago and
> started immediately on raw. I started with Chicken. Right away she
> had loose stools which I attributed to the switch but it's
> continued. >


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[rawfeeding] Re: Newbie - Need advice on adding next type of meat

"wenigj" <wenigj@...> wrote:

> They are both doing well for the last
> couple of weeks on chicken breast and quarters and I've also added
> beef heart.


Fantastic! Glad you got both your dogs off to a good start.


> I think it's time to
> add another meat and I'm not sure what would be good to try.


Pork would have my vote. It's red meat, available in fantastically
large and fatty hunks comprised of mostly meat with a nice, not-
overbearing bone. And it's cheap and readily available.

AND, adding to its list of virtues, most dogs seem to like it. Many
of them seem to REALLY like it. It's clearly on Griffin's hit list.


> Also, when should I add FBO and/or salmon oil?


When you think they need it. Or when you feel like it. If you want
to add it now, and they're doing fine with what they're getting, I'd
say go ahead.

-- sandy & griffin (who loves pork, and beef, and bison, and venison,
and lamb, and ...)

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[rawfeeding] Re: What do you stock your freezer with?

Where do you get all your goodies?

Bobbie

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RE: [rawfeeding] re: Pig's feet

>I have Collies. Should I expect them to eat the entire thing? Or
>should they not eat the bone?


I feed them as semi-frozen treats! I have a lab 100 lbs, catahoula 70 lbs
and two 20 lb American Eskimos. They all eat everything and it really helps
the teeth cleaning.

Roxanne


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[rawfeeding] Pig Stomach

I ran across some frozen stuff in the store last night that was labeled pig
stomach. Is this good to feed on the raw diet? If so what portion of the
diet does it fall under? Organs or muscle and tissue?

Roxanne


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[rawfeeding] re: Pig's feet

>Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
>Thu Jun 7, 2007 2:26 pm (PST)
>Hello,

>I bought a bag of pig's feet today. Some are split and some are
>whole. They're frozen.

>I have Collies. Should I expect them to eat the entire thing? Or
>should they not eat the bone? Thanks.

>Candace and the 4 Collies

I bought some pigs feet for my two Border Collies that had about 12in
of leg attached. They took about 1-1/2hr to eat the whole lot - then
Brett came in the house and wiped his face on the carpet ;-)

Mal Firth

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Re: [rawfeeding] Addicted; was Feeling Frustrated and ready to give up Raw

I have been good, It is hard not to buy when you see good deals. I have always been a bargin shopper, but now I can quickly scan the meats and check the price stickers for the per pound price and look at the piece to see is the bone meat fat is a good value. I have also ate meat about 4 times in the last 2 months, and the meat counter smells are not bothering me like they used to. I was so proud of my Dawoogies toight, It was near there dinner time when I went out to BBQ and I told them to wait that this wasnt theirs. Everyone was sitting around impatientally, but no one touched the meat that was sitting there untill I started to hand it out.

Chrissy


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> I think someone mentioned this but I seemed to be
> addicted to shopping for my dogs, it is so exciting to find great
> deals at the store and then seeing how happy my dogs are. >


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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Feeding small dog + Gopher brag!

You know I am not even using the scale anymore, It doesn't seem to matter because they play musical dinner between the 4 dogs. I do try to give my Smallest dog Rita the smallest portion. When I first started raw Rita ( about 4 lbs) was inactive and over weight while Cherry ( about 7-8 lbs) was very active and in good condition. we are just a few months into raw and I have seen a couch potato turn into a new dog, She plays now, she didn't even play much when she was a pup. But back to the point, I "try" to give her the smallest pieces the portions with the least amount of fat and remove the skin from the chicken ( I give that to the pup) so she doesn't get extra fat.. It seems to be working, she looks like she has trimmed down some and has become pretty active.

Oh.. BTW.. Tonight I was headed around the house and I found a *Dead* Gopher! This is a good thing.. My Pom has been hunting squirrels and gophers for a while now, I am sure it was her and the pup that got it, they didn't eat it but it looked well played with. I know this is a silly thing to be so happy about, but these little turds have eaten almost half of my garden. I am proud that my little dog has learned to catch them! and no she isn't blood thirsty LOL She is trying to mother baby chicks...

Chrissy

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--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sal" <salpjr@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 10 pound dog, sort of low energy, and was wondering how I
can
> best satisfy him when all he should eat per day is 2oz of total
food.
> When I put the meat on the scale, it really looks like nothing! A
> chicken wing alone weighs more than 2oz, and this is a days
ration. I
> am concerned about percentage of meat to bone plus organs when the
> amount is so tiny. Thanks for any help.


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