[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12356
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Feeding liver EVERYDAY???
From: costrowski75
2a. New to raw and pregnant-how much, how fast??
From: Doguefan@aol.com
2b. Re: New to raw and pregnant-how much, how fast??
From: Sandee Lee
3. Re: Whole egg ok
From: Sai Simonson
4a. Re: Whole egg OK
From: Sai Simonson
4b. Re: Whole egg OK
From: Michelle R
5a. Encouraging words requested.
From: Mary Tinder
5b. Re: Encouraging words requested.
From: Casey Post
5c. Re: Encouraging words requested.
From: Mary Tinder
5d. Re: Encouraging words requested.
From: Casey Post
5e. Re: Encouraging words requested.
From: cynthia iparraguirre
6a. Re: A warning about feeding in wood chips.
From: Casey Post
7a. puppy
From: jetblst2002
7b. Re: puppy
From: Shelly
7c. Re: puppy
From: costrowski75
7d. Re: puppy
From: ginny wilken
8a. Ever actually seen a case of Feline Ca deficiency from a bone defici
From: raw2therescue
8b. Re: Ever actually seen a case of Feline Ca deficiency from a bone de
From: Casey Post
8c. Re: Ever actually seen a case of Feline Ca deficiency from a bone de
From: carnesbill
9a. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
From: darkstardog
9b. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
From: Sandee Lee
9c. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
From: Daisy Foxworth
9d. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
From: Moon Creek Arabians
9e. ADMIN/Re: PRAA and Mega-E
From: costrowski75
10a. Raw egg yolks not raw egg whites
From: h h
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1a. Re: Feeding liver EVERYDAY???
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 7:37 am ((PST))
"coriowen" <COwen98@...> wrote:>
> I just saw a post on a horse board that I frequent and some woman
says
> she feeds her Dachshunds chicken livers and rice everyday.
*****
If she feeds chicken livers and rice in small amounts to accompany a
good raw diet, tain't no big thing although it certainly isn't
recommended. If that's ALL she feeds and she doesn't know any
better, you can use these websites as information for both you and
her:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net
http:/www.rawlearning.com
And you should browse the rawfeeding archives for information on
liver. There's plenty to go around.
If on the other hand she thinks she's the cat's pjs and that's all
she wrote, then you will most likely make no inroads at all. Zip,
zero, nada. In which case the woman will have to decide to access
these websites on her own terms.
Chris O
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2a. New to raw and pregnant-how much, how fast??
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 10:24 am ((PST))
Hello all!? I have a friend in San Diego who just used my stud dog to breed his female 3 weeks ago.? She is a smaller female for a DDB, but has the structure to me to be a bit bigger.? She weighed in at? 105 lbs, but you can count almost all her ribs.? He has tried and tried to get her to gain weight on k@#$le, but to no avail.? When we met at the vet, I told him my whole deal on a species appropriate diet and he was excited to get her started.? So, my question is:? He started her out on chicken, she has been 10 days on just chicken and is doing great!? No stomach upsets, and cannot get enough of it!? Now, she is gaining weight like crazy-so either she is prego or she just loves her new diet.? My concern is that if she is prego, she will need more than chicken very soon to give her and pups what they need.? I told him today to start giving a tiny bit of organs and liver(I told him tiny amounts at a time)with the chicken.? I would normally not recomend this to someone just starting out, but I am worried about her getting all the nutrients that she needs for a pregnancy.?
I have only been raw for about 8 months, and I am feeding a pregnant female as well right now and she is doing great!? My dogs seem to be able to eat everything and anything now.? The prego girl really enjoys her food right now, chows down on all sorts of goodies.? Thsi morning they had whole rabbits!? YUM!? :)
Tonight mackeral, pork shoulder and meaty organ mixture!? I feel like a reuglar chef some days!
Thanks for everything this list offers!
Chelsea
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2b. Re: New to raw and pregnant-how much, how fast??
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:54 am ((PST))
Hi Chelsea,
I don't think there is even reason to wait 10 days before adding variety if
a dog is doing well and the owner won't freak out <g> if stools become
looser! He should definitely be adding in some nice red meat and the bits
of organs should be fine. Judging from the many breeders on the list,
organs seem to be craved as the pregnancy progresses so best to get her used
to them now! :)
Sandee & the Dane Gang
From: <Doguefan@aol.com>
So, my question is:? He started her out on chicken, she has been 10 days on
just chicken and is doing great!? No stomach upsets, and cannot get enough
of it!? Now, she is gaining weight like crazy-so either she is prego or she
just loves her new diet.? My concern is that if she is prego, she will need
more than chicken very soon to give her and pups what they need.? I told him
today to start giving a tiny bit of organs and liver(I told him tiny amounts
at a time)with the chicken.? I would normally not recomend this to someone
just starting out, but I am worried abou her getting all the nutrients that
she needs for a pregnancy.?
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3. Re: Whole egg ok
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:27 am ((PST))
Yassy, that is what I am continuing to do.
Sai
>I did not know one should separate them. Was informed today that raw
egg whites bond with the B's and make them unusable for dogs
Hi,Sai. Search thearchive by wording Egg.You find thesame question in
thepast but you do not have to separate them. Just crack it andmixed in
the Fish oil you found success with andyou are good to go.Whole raw Egg
for dogs not Eggwhite orYork etc. No need.
yassy
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4a. Re: Whole egg OK
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 11:27 am ((PST))
Yes, Bill,
In may be adding too much salmon oil....they were fussy this morning
about the eggs.
Sai
Hey Sai,
Don't worry about it. Feed the whole egg. I don't feed the shell but
many do. I used to but decided there was no need and my dogs didn't
particularly like them.
Bill Carnes
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4b. Re: Whole egg OK
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 2:35 pm ((PST))
My cresteds are so funny when they get a whole egg, I crack it just a bit to let some leak out and just put it in a bowl and let them have it...I always end up with bits and peices of eggshells up and down the hall (where they eat, if not outside) from where theyve been eating/playing with the shells once theyve emptied them of the yummies. I think mine enjoy playing with them as much as they do eating them!~ :-)
Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
http://www.geocities.com/crested_dog8/mengshihome.html
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5a. Encouraging words requested.
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 4:03 pm ((PST))
Ladies, Gentlemen, Axe women especially...
I have "scored" two goats, mine for the taking.
These goats will not be "dressed" at all. They will shoot them for me
(one is already dead) but nothing else. No "bleeding", totally intact,
head on. This chicky was born and raised in Jersey suburbs, no
exposure to butchering an animal (however I fancy myself a squaw in
past life.)
I got on line and learned how to butcher it. I've a friend who will
help. Moral support is needed. I'm afraid I'm not quite up to
feeding the head yet. Cutting it off is anxiety laiden. Totally.
Any advice? Encouraging words requested. This is happening tomorrow
(Sunday) morning. No one around me here would understand. I hope this
is an OK topic.
Mary T who hunts for Rumble Dane, the Boda collie and Lily the African
Village Dog
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5b. Re: Encouraging words requested.
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 4:16 pm ((PST))
> Any advice? Encouraging words requested. This is happening tomorrow
> (Sunday) morning. No one around me here would understand.
Mary,
Hopefully others will have more expertise to lend you than I, but I wanted
to say "Woohoo!" to you for being willing to even give it a go!
I'd be inclined to leave the hide on and just whack into big chunks for your
crew. The guts...man, I've smelled the insides of small herbivores and it
was fearsome, so I can only guess at what the inside of a goat smells like.
Gloves, lots of rubber gloves. And buckets. And tarps.
Two mantras for you -
"It's only meat. It's only meat. Just meat." (for when the head thing
happens)
and
"My dogs love me. I love my dogs. My dogs love me. "
Best of luck to you!
Casey
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5c. Re: Encouraging words requested.
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))
Casey THANKS! I didn't even THINK about gloves!!! Duh! I'm thinking I
need a table? And will surely use the mantras: "It's only meat. Just
meat." (for when the head thing > happens)
Mary T
AKA Wimpy squaw
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5d. Re: Encouraging words requested.
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 4:43 pm ((PST))
> I'm thinking I
> need a table?
Table is good. If you have someplace to hang it up, that would be even
better (making gravity work for you and all that). Floor is fine if you've
got nothing else, but I do recommend a good sized tarp...
>And will surely use the mantras: "It's only meat. Just
> meat." (for when the head thing > happens)
Have had to use it myself on occasion. Helps if you just cover the eyes
with a paper towel or something so it's not "looking at you"...
Casey
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5e. Re: Encouraging words requested.
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 5:39 pm ((PST))
--- Mary Tinder <mtinder@tinderco.com> wrote:
> Any advice? Encouraging words requested. This is
> happening tomorrow
> (Sunday) morning. No one around me here would
> understand.
Mary,
I get beyond grossed out each & every time I smell
and/or touch cow liver....I just could imagine cutting
up a goat! From one cityslicker to another. . . you
are my HERO & kudos to you.
and yes, as Casey noted GLOVES ARE A MUST!!
Cyn
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6a. Re: A warning about feeding in wood chips.
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 4:17 pm ((PST))
> she had a MAJOR
> allergic reaction, her lips swill up, her skin was blood red and her
> joints were swollen and painful. The night before that dad had turned
> some Walnut wood and she had laid in it while eating. She also started
> coughing that night.
Thank you for the warning, Maria! I hope your girl is ok now!
Casey
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7a. puppy
Posted by: "jetblst2002" bosboy101@mac.com jetblst2002
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 5:39 pm ((PST))
So I got my Border puppy tonight.... Her first Raw meal went very
well. I was thinking I may have a few issues but she took to it like
the adults did. Her little tail was just waggin away. It was nice to
see how well she took to it.
Travis
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7b. Re: puppy
Posted by: "Shelly" StuartLittle@comcast.net stuartjeanlittle
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 9:51 pm ((PST))
If you mean a border collie, you're in for the time of your life! They are so
smart and so OCD!
Shelly
On Saturday 08 December 2007 20:07, jetblst2002 wrote:
So I got my Border puppy tonight....
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7c. Re: puppy
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 10:06 pm ((PST))
Shelly <StuartLittle@...> wrote:
They are so
> smart and so OCD!
*****
Smart, yes.
OCD, not necessarily.
I'd say without hesitation that a healthy mind in a healthy body does
not produce OCD behaviors.
Chris O
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7d. Re: puppy
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 10:50 pm ((PST))
On Dec 8, 2007, at 10:06 PM, costrowski75 wrote:
> Shelly <StuartLittle@...> wrote:
> They are so
>> smart and so OCD!
> *****
> Smart, yes.
> OCD, not necessarily.
> I'd say without hesitation that a healthy mind in a healthy body does
> not produce OCD behaviors.
> Chris O
>
And I'll jump in and say that Chris' rawfed, no vax, BC puts the lie
to ALL the bad traits of BCs, even the ones humans think are good
traits. She is calm, intense, focused, misses nothing, understands
everything, and doesn't drive herself or anyone else nuts.
People do mistake disease for quirks, all the time. It's not until
you see health that you finally get it.
ginny and Tomo, still quirky
All stunts performed without a net!
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8a. Ever actually seen a case of Feline Ca deficiency from a bone defici
Posted by: "raw2therescue" raw2therescue@yahoo.com raw2therescue
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 5:40 pm ((PST))
Curious, to know if anyone here has personally experienced feeding a
cat mostly or only raw meat to the point of Ca deficiency (from lack
of bone).
I believe Carrie and I were discussing the bone ratios of animals a
couple years back. I remember that small animals (the intended cat
diet) have less bone than larger animals, though I no longer have my
notes on this. I would assume flighted birds, by nature, have very
little bone. They also seem to be a preferred meal for cats. So, how
do we take an unflighted (or minimally flighted), heavy bird such as
chicken or turkey and turn it into a meal that will more closely mimic
the make up of a sparrow or dove?
I have had issues with cats getting bone stuck in between teeth and my
getting clawed for trying to help. I'm not entirely comfortable with
skipping bone and adding the "Animal Essentials" (as if cats evolved
eating supplements) calcium supplement, nor am I eager to try any bone
meals that I've found (open to recommendations of organic raw bone
meals).
For the past couple week, I've switched from feeding 100% Bravo turkey
blend (turkey frames/necks, organs, veges) to feeding about 80%
chunked chicken meat (usually dark meat) and 20% Bravo. The cats
prefer it (as do I). I'm not too concerned with organ:meat balance.
I'm more concerned with bone/meat. What I'm trying to get away with is
feeding only meat on a twice daily basis and offering bone or
supplements (bravoe or other recommended calcium source) maybe only
once a day or a few times a week, if that is safe. Do you think this
is risky?
Would there be an easy blood test to determine if Ca:P balance is off?
I'm trying to make things easier on people who come to help out at the
sanctuary.
Anyone who has experimented and has noteworthy results, please share.
Gracious Thanks,
Nikol- Luckydog pet rescue
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8b. Re: Ever actually seen a case of Feline Ca deficiency from a bone de
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 7:43 pm ((PST))
> Curious, to know if anyone here has personally experienced feeding a
> cat mostly or only raw meat to the point of Ca deficiency (from lack
> of bone).
No, but I'm careful to include bone in the diet. Feeding no bone is a very
bad idea.
>
> I believe Carrie and I were discussing the bone ratios of animals a
> couple years back. I remember that small animals (the intended cat
> diet) have less bone than larger animals
Mmm, my brain says that a mouse is around 5% bone, but it's been known to
make up numbers before so let me check...here we are -
http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/nutrition/tissue_percentage_of_common_prey.htm
Yes, so about 5%. We've discussed this on rawcat a few times. Most of us
aim for somewhere between 8 and 15% bone, but I've had to drop down to the
5-8% range for my old girl due to her health issues.
> So, how
> do we take an unflighted (or minimally flighted), heavy bird such as
> chicken or turkey and turn it into a meal that will more closely mimic
> the make up of a sparrow or dove?
I'm not sure what you're asking here? Do you mean that a chicken has a
higher bone percentage than a sparrow? Probably, since the legs are
heavier, I guess. But I imagine that a whole chicken - as in feathers, guts
and all - would be much closer percentage-wise than a grocery store chicken
to your sparrow. Because yes, the bones of the chicken are heavier, but
chickens are also much meatier birds (as anyone who has had to cut up a
sparrow (don't ask!) would know) than your average sparrow.
> I have had issues with cats getting bone stuck in between teeth
With whole or with the Bravo grinds? Because I could see that happening
more easily with the ground stuff.
> For the past couple week, I've switched from feeding 100% Bravo turkey
> blend (turkey frames/necks, organs, veges) to feeding about 80%
> chunked chicken meat (usually dark meat) and 20% Bravo. The cats
> prefer it (as do I).
Well, I'm sure that the Bravo stuff has a higher than optimal bone
percentage, sure. Gots to make a profit and all that. So dropping it down
by adding boneless meat is probably a very good idea all around.
> I'm more concerned with bone/meat. What I'm trying to get away with is
> feeding only meat on a twice daily basis and offering bone or
> supplements (bravoe or other recommended calcium source) maybe only
> once a day or a few times a week, if that is safe. Do you think this
> is risky?
As long as the overall bone intake is about 8% -ish, you should be fine,
calcium-wise at least for the adults.
>
> Would there be an easy blood test to determine if Ca:P balance is off?
No. Blood values measure how much calcium is circulating and that's
determined by the body's regulatory systems. If that number is bad, it's
almost certainly because there's something wrong with the regulatory systems
(kidneys, parathyroid, etc.) or the result of a disease process (cancer,
etc.) rather than a dietary issue. Only about 1% of the body's available
calcium is circulating in the blood at any given time - the rest of it is
stored in the body, mostly in the bones. The body pulls calcium from the
bones as it needs it, so if you're feeding a bone-deficient diet for long
enough, the cat's own bones will have to provide that supply. The results
of that are not good.
> I'm trying to make things easier on people who come to help out at the
> sanctuary.
Well, the easiest thing would be to feed whole prey - a simple defrost and
serve of whole nutritional packets of feathered and/or furred goodness!
Just like the raptor rescue folks do. But if you have a lot of cats,
getting all transitioned to whole prey can be quite the project, I know!
Something else you may want to consider is feeding whole meats with inedible
bones (and what's inedible will depend upon the cat - I've known some cats
who can power through pork rib bones without blinking!) which will help them
develop jaw strength and clean teeth much better than ground or even small
chunks of boneless meats. If you're on the rawcat list, you may have read
about my Fred who could clean off a monster turkey drumstick down to the
bare bone despite the fact that he had only three teeth in his head - that
cat had the strongest jaws and the firmest gums our vets have ever seen in a
"senior and nearly toothless" animal! Fred couldn't do edible bones at all
(so he got ground bone-in stuff a few times a week), but he was master of
whole meaty bones anyway.
Casey
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8c. Re: Ever actually seen a case of Feline Ca deficiency from a bone de
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 9:51 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "raw2therescue"
<raw2therescue@...> wrote:
>
> So, how
> do we take an unflighted (or minimally flighted), heavy bird
> such as chicken or turkey and turn it into a meal that will
> more closely mimic the make up of a sparrow or dove?
We don't worry about it. It makes life too complicated to worry
about such trivial stuff. Don't sweat the small stuff.
> I have had issues with cats getting bone stuck in between
> teeth and my getting clawed for trying to help. I'm not
> entirely comfortable with skipping bone
Cool. Don't skip it. Cat's teeth are designed NOT to get bones
caught in them. On the rare times that a bone gets stuck, it is
nothing more than a freak accident. Chances are very high that it
will never happen to your cat again. Feed bones to your cat. I
assume you don't stop driving a car just bacause you have one fender-
bender. Don't stop feeding bones to your cat just because he has
one freak accident. Bones are a necessary part of the diet. Cats
have been eating them for millions of years. Don't fight evolution.
> For the past couple week, I've switched from feeding 100%
> Bravo turkey
> blend (turkey frames/necks, organs, veges) to feeding about 80%
> chunked chicken meat (usually dark meat) and 20% Bravo.
Dump the Bravo. It's feeding raw kibble and I know you don't want
to do that. Stop chunking the chicken meat. Give your cat whole
pieces. He has teeth(as you found out) :). Let him used them on
whole animal pieces. It's what they were designed for. Cats can
easily eat chicken drumsticks, wings and necks and many other parts
of many other animals. My cats have caught wild rabbits and eaten
the whole carcass. This has happened several times. Not a sliver
of bone left over.
> The cats
> prefer it (as do I). I'm not too concerned with organ:meat balance.
> I'm more concerned with bone/meat.
Feed bone and don't be concerned about it. Give your cat credit for
being a cat. His ancestors have eaten bones for millions of years
and he can too.
> What I'm trying to get away with is
> feeding only meat on a twice daily basis and offering bone or
> supplements (bravoe or other recommended calcium source) maybe only
> once a day or a few times a week, if that is safe.
Often shortcuts don't get you there any faster. This is one of
those times. The best source of calcium in the world for cats is
bones. Stop trying to outsmart nature.
> Do you think this is risky?
I don't think feeding bones is risky. I have been feeding them to
my two cats for 5 years. They do great. They don't necessarily eat
all the bone. Actually they rarely eat the whole bone. I don't
worry about calcium deficiency or any other deficiency in their diet.
> Would there be an easy blood test to determine if Ca:P balance
> is off?
The easiest thing is to feed whole animal parts and not worry about
it. If you feed a variety of animal parts from a variety of animals
everything automatically balances out. There is no critical balance
anyway. Do you balance Ca:P in your own diet? I know I don't. I
don't even know how much of each is in the things I eat nor do I
care. If I don't worry about it in my diet, why should I worry
about it in my dogs or cats diet?
> I'm trying to make things easier on people who come to help out
> at the sanctuary.
The way to make it easy is to not worry about it. Feed meat, bones,
and organs from a variety of animals. Mostly meat, some bone, some
organs. Exact amounts don't matter. Ratios don't matter.
Percentages don't matter. None of that stuff is critical or even
mildy important. Don't try to turn trivial stuff into a big deal.
Evolution has handled all that for you.
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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9a. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 5:46 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, ginny wilken <gwilken@...> wrote:
>
> Mega is addressable by homeopathy.
>
After 200 years, the ideas of homeopathy, such as 'like cures like'
and the idea of dilution making remedies stronger have received NO
verification at all by science. Hahnemann's ideas were derived at a
time when the science of biology and chemistry were barely begun. We
know huge amounts now, and yet the proponents of homeopathy hang on to
Hahnemann's outdated, scientifically baseless, ideas. In 200 years,
homeopathy has been unable to demonstrate its usefulness as a valuable
treatment in solid clinical studies.
Homeopathy has an easy answer to whatever happens to a patient after a
remedy is taken. If the patient improves, it's because of the remedy.
If the patient stays the same, maybe it is because the cure will take
time, or maybe a different remedy (or homeopath) would work better. If
the patient gets worse, maybe it's a sign that the remedy is working
at some deep level, causing a healing crisis. Meanwhile many
conditions naturally fluctuate, and recover on their own. The
perception of symptoms may be influenced by the placebo effect.
Some people think of homeopathy as being more gentle than veterinary
medicine. The fact that deficiencies can be claimed for modern
medicine does not add any kind of verification to any alternative
medical treatment. Just because you don't like some features of modern
medicine, you can't conclude that some other supposed treatment is
therefore useful. In some cases regular drugs do have side effects. A
remedy that contains zero active ingredients except lactose or water,
is of course not going to have side effects, or any kind of effects
(except those imagined by hopeful owners).
The ideas of like curing like and of proving, and especially
the proving that was done in Hahnemann's time, are full of flaws.
For people who think homeopathic remedies are just very weak dilutions
of herbal ingredients, they might want to know that in preparations
above 12C (24X) the probability is that not even one molecule of the
original remedy is present in the remedy. For 30C, the probability is
enormously small that even one molecule is present - as if one drop of
liquid were mixed into a volume the size of the solar system. This is
not just a dilution: this is the complete absence of the starting
material.
Homeopathy proponents say that the information has been transferred
uniquely from the starting remedy to the water or alcohol, structuring
the water in some way. This is a claim with no basis. But supposing
they could show an effect, they would also have to explain many other
steps. For instance, how would that imagined information be
transferred from the water and alcohol solvent to the structure of the
solid sugar pills which are used for the remedy?
The homeopaths do a lot of hand-waving to try to make their claims
sound possible. But they have had about 200 years to make a case for
their claims, and so far they have failed.
marty
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9b. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 6:00 pm ((PST))
Obviously you are a *bit* misinformed, however this is not an appropriate
discussion for the Rawfeeding list! Possibly Rawchat?
Sandee & the Dane Gang
From: "darkstardog" <darkstardog@charter.net>
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After 200 years, the ideas of homeopathy, such as 'like cures like'
and the idea of dilution making remedies stronger have received NO
verification at all by science. Hahnemann's ideas were derived at a
time when the science of biology and chemistry were barely begun. We
know huge amounts now, and yet the proponents of homeopathy hang on to
Hahnemann's outdated, scientifically baseless, ideas. In 200 years,
homeopathy has been unable to demonstrate its usefulness as a valuable
treatment in solid clinical studies.
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9c. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 9:47 pm ((PST))
Marty, I'm sorry, but you really know absolutely nothing about
homeopathy. For those willing to put the effort into learning it
properly it is very effective. Daisy
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9d. Re: PRAA and Mega-E
Posted by: "Moon Creek Arabians" lephillips@rangeweb.net phillips.erika
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 9:49 pm ((PST))
Obviously this guy is SERIOUSLY mis-informed and have never used Homeopathy or seen any fantastic results from it. I have not used allopathic medicine for 16 plus years for my Children, My Horses, My Dogs, Cats or any other being.
In fact Homeopathy is an art as well as a Science. Perhaps a good place to start would be the book titled "The SCIENCE of Homeopathy" by George Vithoulkas
Kind Regards,
Erika Phillips
Homeopath by birth, by right, by choice
Perhaps I could send just a sample of the hundreds of People and animals that have been CURED using Homeopathy but alas I am far too busy!
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee Lee
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: PRAA and Mega-E
Obviously you are a *bit* misinformed, however this is not an appropriate
discussion for the Rawfeeding list! Possibly Rawchat?
Sandee & the Dane Gang
From: "darkstardog" <darkstardog@charter.net>
>
After 200 years, the ideas of homeopathy, such as 'like cures like'
and the idea of dilution making remedies stronger have received NO
verification at all by science. Hahnemann's ideas were derived at a
time when the science of biology and chemistry were barely begun. We
know huge amounts now, and yet the proponents of homeopathy hang on to
Hahnemann's outdated, scientifically baseless, ideas. In 200 years,
homeopathy has been unable to demonstrate its usefulness as a valuable
treatment in solid clinical studies.
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9e. ADMIN/Re: PRAA and Mega-E
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 9:57 pm ((PST))
Homeopathy is not a topic for discussion on this list. Please take all
conversation elswhere. Further postings to homeopathy will be deleted.
Chris O
Modertion Team
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10a. Raw egg yolks not raw egg whites
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 9:48 pm ((PST))
I did not know one should separate them. Was informed today that raw
egg whites bond with the B's and make them unusable for dogs. I have
not yet done research myself but thought I would see what you guys have
found about raw egg whites.
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If you feed large, and I do mean large, amounts of just egg white then you may have a problem. But there is extra biotin in the yolk to make up for what the whites make unusable. So save yourself the trouble of separating the egg (unless you are cooking something and the recipe calls for just whites or just yolks) and feed your dog the whole egg.
HEIDI MARIE
~with the woofs-Cheyenne and Lazy B~
~and the moggies-Minerva, Shasta, and Misty-Jo~
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