Feed Pets Raw Food: Aug 18, 2007

There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: not gaining weight
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: not gaining weight
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: chicken questions
From: morkydzgrl
2b. Re: chicken questions
From: Giselle
2c. Re: chicken questions
From: morkydzgrl

3a. Re: Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets
From: Tracy
3b. Re: Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

4. Re: what do you think
From: Taj

5a. Re: Suburban rabbits?
From: linoleum5017

6a. Re: Once a day feeding and Frequent urination...anyone seen this???
From: Shannon Parker

7a. treats for raw diet?
From: esmolensky
7b. Re: treats for raw diet?
From: Giselle
7c. Re: treats for raw diet?
From: emil smolensky
7d. Re: treats for raw diet?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. Re: 2-3% feeding amounts
From: Cathy Tweeddale Mitchell
8b. Re: 2-3% feeding amounts
From: Morledzep@aol.com

9a. Re: meaning of RMB's
From: Ivette Casiano

10.1. New to raw
From: smh0413

11. ADMIN:TRIMMIMG AND SIGNING
From: GWB

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1a. Re: not gaining weight
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:02 pm ((PDT))

MustBLuvSpaniels@... wrote:
>
> My puppy is a great eater and we are feeding him 2lbs a day, But he
is not
> gaining weight. Am I feeding enough? he weights 36lbs. But needs to
gain I can
> feel his spine.
*****
How old is your pupster and what breed/s is it? It may be he's at the
time when you can feed his spine, and tomorrow his back will feel
different to you. Even though rawfed pups tend to grow more slowly
than kibblefed pups, weight shifts. Muscles develop, things change.

Or, perhaps, you are accustomed to spines unnecessarily padded by
kibble weight. I can feel the spine of my 10mo pup and the spines of
each of my adult retreivers. I can also feel their ribs. I do not
consider them underweight and no one has expressed concern about their
appearance. If/when the bones are too evident, I up the amount they
eat.

If indeed the pup needs more food, feed it. Doesn't matter what he's
getting now, if he needs more he needs more. Later he may need less
(probably he will need less). Increase the amount gradually and if he
has recurring loose stools, back off some. Or continue to feed two
pounds but make more of it fat.

Fiddling with the menu to keep it relevant is part and parcel of the
rawfeeding experience.
Chris O

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1b. Re: not gaining weight
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:47 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/17/2007 2:24:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com writes:

My puppy is a great eater and we are feeding him 2lbs a day, But he is not
gaining weight. Am I feeding enough? he weights 36lbs. But needs to gain I
can
feel his spine.

Lisa,

the simple answer is MORE food.. i don't know what kind of dog your pup is,
and i don't know how big it's supposed to be. And even if i did, if it's not
gaining weight on the amount you're feeding, and is growing skinnier, it needs
more food.

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2a. Re: chicken questions
Posted by: "morkydzgrl" ShankMa4@aol.com morkydzgrl
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi Giselle,

Thank you for your great answer. I love the concepts behind feeding
raw; it all makes sense; but I do feel anxious about it. It is
scary, so I really appreciate the support here.

I cut the chicken in 7 pieces weighing about 9 oz. each. 9 oz. is
about 2% - 3% of my dogs weight. Each piece has some bone and meat.
I threw out the neck because I cut the chicken into pieces instead of
leaving it whole. Could I have left the neck attached to a part of
the breast or is the neck only supposed to stay attached to the whole
chicken?

About feeding new meats: When I add a new protien source, do I feed
that source for the whole week exlusively (like the chicken), then
move onto a new protien source the following week?

Thanks for the help!!!

Cindi

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2b. Re: chicken questions
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:59 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Cindi!
YVW!
We're all a little anxious to start with.

You could have left the neck attached to a hunk of chicken. Some dogs
can eat solo chicken necks, but others swallow them whole. Knowing
which category your dog falls into takes time and experience. Hence
the recommendation to newbies not to feed them unattached.

Don't get too invested in weighing your dog's food. Most of us start
out that way, but dogs are dynamic critters, and forgiving, and so you
can feed more casually, and adjust their diet by feeding more or less
whenever it looks like you need to. I weighed my dog's food for about
a month. ; )

Dietary Balance; in amount fed, variety of protein and body parts,
etc. and so forth, is to be achieved over time - weeks or months, not
every day. The "all the vitamins and minerals and nutrition your dog
will ever need, at every meal" idea comes from dog food manufacturers
trying to sell you their deficient cr*p-in-a-bag.

Too, not every meal needs a bone in it. With only 10% of the total
diet being edible bone, you don't need to feed bones with every meal.
Chicken has a lot of bone, and that often helps keep stools from being
sloppy during the transition period for newbie dogs, but when you move
on to other proteins, you shouldn't worry about how to feed bone with
every meal.

A lot of more experienced raw feeders feed Big Food; allow your dog to
eat a large meal, then feed lightly the next few meals. Or some feed
gorge 'n fast; allow the dog to eat as much as they will, then fast
for a day or two, and feed lightly the next couple days. My Newfy girl
gorges a couple times a month, fasts a few days a month and eats
smaller meals at other times. Its a great way to feed engaging meals
to provide physical, mental and dental activity to a dog, and allow
them to feel *really* full sometimes, the way they evolved to eat. A
lot of dogs will learn to self regulate and stop counter surfing and
the endless search for crumbs to hoover if given half a chance.

You can introduce a new protein two ways; 1) feed the new protein
exclusively for a week or two, until the dog adjusts or 2) Add a bite
or two of the new protein to a well tolerated protein, gradually
increasing the amount over a weeks time, and decreasing the 'old'
protein. Then you can feed the new protein exclusively for another
week or so. How you do it really depends on how cautious or patient
you are, and how your dog responds to new meats.

Your next protein could be turkey, pork, beef, fish, rabbit, lamb,
goat, whatever. You can add organ variety later. 1/2 of the 10% organ
allowance should be liver of some sort, but the other 5% should have
as much variety as you can manage; kidney, tripe, sweet breads, etc.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Thank you for your great answer. I love the concepts behind feeding
> raw; it all makes sense; but I do feel anxious about it. It is
> scary, so I really appreciate the support here.
>
> I cut the chicken in 7 pieces weighing about 9 oz. each. 9 oz. is
> about 2% - 3% of my dogs weight. Each piece has some bone and meat.
> I threw out the neck because I cut the chicken into pieces instead of
> leaving it whole. Could I have left the neck attached to a part of
> the breast or is the neck only supposed to stay attached to the whole
> chicken?
>
> About feeding new meats: When I add a new protien source, do I feed
> that source for the whole week exclusively (like the chicken), then
> move onto a new protein source the following week?
>
> Thanks for the help!!!
>
> Cindi
>

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2c. Re: chicken questions
Posted by: "morkydzgrl" ShankMa4@aol.com morkydzgrl
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:03 am ((PDT))

Giselle!

Your post has lots of info! Thanks! I am going to study it for
awhile! Be back soon!

Thanks!
Cindi

>
> Hi, Cindi!
> YVW!
> We're all a little anxious to start with.
>
> You could have left the neck attached to a hunk of chicken. Some
dogs
> can eat solo chicken necks, but others swallow them whole. Knowing
> which category your dog falls into takes time and experience. Hence
> the recommendation to newbies not to feed them unattached.
>
> Don't get too invested in weighing your dog's food. Most of us start
> out that way, but dogs are dynamic critters, and forgiving, and so
you
> can feed more casually, and adjust their diet by feeding more or
less
> whenever it looks like you need to. I weighed my dog's food for
about
> a month. ; )
>
> Dietary Balance; in amount fed, variety of protein and body parts,
> etc. and so forth, is to be achieved over time - weeks or months,
not
> every day. The "all the vitamins and minerals and nutrition your dog
> will ever need, at every meal" idea comes from dog food
manufacturers
> trying to sell you their deficient cr*p-in-a-bag.
>
> Too, not every meal needs a bone in it. With only 10% of the total
> diet being edible bone, you don't need to feed bones with every
meal.
> Chicken has a lot of bone, and that often helps keep stools from
being
> sloppy during the transition period for newbie dogs, but when you
move
> on to other proteins, you shouldn't worry about how to feed bone
with
> every meal.
>
> A lot of more experienced raw feeders feed Big Food; allow your dog
to
> eat a large meal, then feed lightly the next few meals. Or some feed
> gorge 'n fast; allow the dog to eat as much as they will, then fast
> for a day or two, and feed lightly the next couple days. My Newfy
girl
> gorges a couple times a month, fasts a few days a month and eats
> smaller meals at other times. Its a great way to feed engaging meals
> to provide physical, mental and dental activity to a dog, and allow
> them to feel *really* full sometimes, the way they evolved to eat. A
> lot of dogs will learn to self regulate and stop counter surfing and
> the endless search for crumbs to hoover if given half a chance.
>
> You can introduce a new protein two ways; 1) feed the new protein
> exclusively for a week or two, until the dog adjusts or 2) Add a
bite
> or two of the new protein to a well tolerated protein, gradually
> increasing the amount over a weeks time, and decreasing the 'old'
> protein. Then you can feed the new protein exclusively for another
> week or so. How you do it really depends on how cautious or patient
> you are, and how your dog responds to new meats.
>
> Your next protein could be turkey, pork, beef, fish, rabbit, lamb,
> goat, whatever. You can add organ variety later. 1/2 of the 10%
organ
> allowance should be liver of some sort, but the other 5% should have
> as much variety as you can manage; kidney, tripe, sweet breads, etc.
> TC
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey

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3a. Re: Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets
Posted by: "Tracy" tracy.ramey@sbcglobal.net veganmomma1
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

Please, if a suggestion doesn't work for you, disregard it. No need to
start a completely OT conversation with a remark that I, at least,
found pretty inflammatory.

-- sandy (who was a vegetarian for 12 years, and never will be again) &
griffin (never a vegetarian, and now a certified carnivore, thank you)

I'm sorry. Didn't mean to offend you. I was simply responding
(playfully) to a reply to my original post, which, I might add, was
just trying to encourage someone to give raw a try. It was not off
topic until someone else replied to my post. Since the few times I've
posted always seem to be taken the wrong way, you don't have to worry
about hearing from me again. But thanks for helping me get my pets on
the healthiest diet there is.

Tracy

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3b. Re: Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:03 am ((PDT))

Hello Kimber,
I'm sorry I didn't get in on this earlier. I have several friends who are vegan and vegitarian, the two are not the same, so I have been schooled. And I understand the gross factor for you.
And although some here would say there is no prep involved, for you being a non meat person, that wouldn't be true. I imagine just buying and handling it would be a prep thing.
I have gone from buying meat at the butcher to buying it from a farm, and plucking my own feathers. So I have gone the distance in this house, my friends in the co-op group buys can tell you some stories. But I regress. What I am trying to say is I understand.
What I really am trying to get across is that the best way for your dogs/cats is fresh, prey model diet. The kind you have to get involved with. Store bought from a tube, or already processed isn't going to do your critters any good.
The whole idea is that they eat, chew, peel the meat away from the bone, naw on the bones, eat some bones, for the bone meal, and marrow, and get all the nutrients from it like they would in the wild, but this is the closest we can get them to it. The stuff you buy already ground up, has additives, and stuff in it that is not natural, and has colorants, and things in it to make it stay long in the freezer or on the shelf. And it is already ground up, also not good for the animals.
So, opening up one of these tubes, or opening up a plastic bag with a whole chicken in it, and cutting it into pieces small enough for each one of your animals, or buying it precut, whichever you prefer, is about the same, you still have to handle the meat. The one with just plain chicken in it is way better for the animals, cost less, and gives them more of what they need.
You can get precut chicken pieces at costco, and you can get chicken organs in a tub too, that way you don't have to handle it so much. I do understand, I totally get it. I have a friend who took alot of time making me get it. But she also took the time to get it for her dogs too. And she does. She has all the same books now that I do, and she took the time to come over and see how we feed our dogs. She didn't want to learn the wrong way. And we held hands for a few weeks until she was comfortable doing it on her own. Now she is a pro, and shops and finds bargains with the best of us. But she still makes a mean salad and I love it:)
After you get comfortable with the chicken you can graduate to other types of meats, but take your time. Dogs need to be on one source of meat for several weeks. Your cats won't switch easily, get online and check on a raw cat chat, they can help with that, mine is still very stubborn. They need time and always have to have food out for them, (but keep it where the dogs can't get to it) you can't force them to go raw like you can a dog. They can have medical issues. So with the dogs, isn't pretty simple, with the cats, a different story. Keep in mind, we are a prey model site, and we can help in so many ways.
The indians believe in thanking the creature you take a life from for giving you the life force you took to survive, and the creature knows it was of some use to you, it's time here was served well on Mother Earth and goes on to it's place with the God's. They also thank the tree's for the bark and wood, and the plant's for nurishment, and so on, so everything has it's place and purpose, it just depends on what you believe you place or purpose is here. I believe my dogs are going to be healthier on this diet like the wolves were and I hope to be able to talk to you about this some 20 years from now:) and tell you how they are doing. Nothing is perfect, and we certainly aren't, but we like to try and get close. I hope your way of eating is working for you. I myself like meat too much to give it up. But I do try to eat better cuts of it. And yes, I talk to it when I fix it for my dogs too. I give thanks to all the creatures who are feeding my dogs
and cat. They deserve it, for they are giving their best for my best, so they get my best and most loving care in the preparation for each meal. Sounds silly to some, but for me, and the Indian culture I was raised on, and my Pagan beliefs, I know this is right for us.:)
You can do so good for your animals if you do it yourself. They will love you so much for it.
Goodluck and keep us posted.
Jeni
Owned, operated, and often tricked, by my two Great Dane sibblings, Zeus and Zena, and Daisy our Pomchi, who thinks she's a Rott, and Lucky, the cat, he's just lucky he isn't Dinner!

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4. Re: what do you think
Posted by: "Taj" bpskarma@yahoo.com bpskarma
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:02 am ((PDT))

Yes that is it. Sorry about the wrong title.
> Taj and Karma>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "emdeefa" <mdevlin@aisle10.net>
>
> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:05:18
> To:rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: What do you think
>
>
> Is it possible you meant the book called "Pet Food Nation" (ISBN:
> 0061455008)?
>
"Dogs are a special gift we must appreciate their unlimited love and attempt to return it"
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5a. Re: Suburban rabbits?
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:02 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sonja" <ladyver@...> wrote:
>
> We live in Orange County, CA

***my daughter just spent her summer there, in Costa Mesa, as an
interior design intern. She enjoyed the town! Thanks for your
hospitality. Can't say she noticed the rabbits, however.

That is such a good question about the toxins. Really, every
neighborhood in these suburban United States is loaded with
pesticide chemicals. I hadn't thought about it, even, but I guess I
should have, as my cat regularly brings home rabbits and chipmunks
to share w/the dog, (it's more like pillaging on the dog's part.) I
am also very curious about the answer..... but maybe we know the
answer, and wish that someone would post that we have nothing to
worry about!

Right.

Lynne

I would appreciate any opinions, right now I won't feed them because
I'm not sure. I know freezing takes care of parasites, but it won't
do a darned thing for toxins....
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sonja
>
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6a. Re: Once a day feeding and Frequent urination...anyone seen this???
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:03 am ((PDT))

Hi Chris,

To answer your questions...she's definitely not drinking more, and the potty visits have definitely not decreased. If anything, I take her out one extra time about 3 hours after feeds to relieve her, and then she gets out around midnight again (when the hubby comes to bed). There's no heatwave here, nuthin' different that I can attribute it to....I know, weird. My other dog is completely fine....though like I said...he's too lazy to care about a full bladder. I will switch her back to 2 meals a day to see if she goes back to normal, and if she does, I'll just keep her at that. Perhaps her 12 year old bladder just can't take the change :(

Thanks for your help...

Shannon

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:

Have you monitored her drinking? Has it increased? Do you take her
out to pee after mealtime but before bed? Maybe you've unknowingly
reduced her potty visits as you've reduced meals. Did your switch
coincide with a heat wave? Anything else going on in her life?
That's what I'd be looking into, 'twere me.

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7a. treats for raw diet?
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:04 am ((PDT))

Hello,
I've been on this post for about a month just doing research and trying
to find suppliers. My pup will be starting on raw in a day. tommorow
will be his fasting day to get rid of kibble in his system.
I am sure I will have many questions once I start. I posted about
rawhide and most told me to stop, so i got rid of all the rawhide and
bought bully sticks.
My question is about what are good treats I can give to my pup. i have
been giving mostly commercial stuff like milkbones and such mostly for
training and when he goes in his crate whenever I need to leave
somewhere. I have roated pig ears. Are they any good or are they the
same as rawhide.
BTW, thank you all for your knowledge and taking time to answer
repetetive questions, I have learned plenty, but once I get started
everything I learned will probably be forgotten so more of the same
questions will be asked.
Thanks again!

E & Reagan.

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7b. Re: treats for raw diet?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:36 am ((PDT))

Hi, E!
There's really no need for a fasting day, but it certainly won't
hurt your dog, unless he has health issues or is a very young pup.

I chop up chicken hearts and gizzards to use as training treats. I
wrap them in a paper towel and keep them in the fridge to use.
Sometimes I dice up beef or veal heart too. I cut them into bits about
the size of my pinky fingernail. Its not how big the treats are, its
how many they can get. ; )

I also give pig ears, but the ones I get are fresh/frozen. I dry them
out a bit in a low temp oven (maybe 200 F?), just so they're a little
chewy.

I give chicken feets too, either frozen in clumps of 3-4 together or
frozen in a shallow plastic container of ice. Like a pupsickle. : )
You can do the same thing with an empty yogurt container or Kong, and
stick a chew or bully stick into it, and bits of diced heart or
gizzards. You can also stuff them with raw meat and freeze them so
they'll have to work at them a little longer. Thats a great way to use
the ground meat that was on sale that you couldn't pass up.

NP, ask all the Qs you need to! Just keep us posted on your progress!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in new Jersey

> Hello,
> I've been on this post for about a month just doing research and trying
> to find suppliers. My pup will be starting on raw in a day. tomorrow
> will be his fasting day to get rid of kibble in his system.
> I am sure I will have many questions once I start. I posted about
> rawhide and most told me to stop, so I got rid of all the rawhide and
> bought bully sticks.
> My question is about what are good treats I can give to my pup. I have
> been giving mostly commercial stuff like milk bones and such mostly for
> training and when he goes in his crate whenever I need to leave
> somewhere. I have roasted pig ears. Are they any good or are they the
> same as rawhide.
> BTW, thank you all for your knowledge and taking time to answer
> repetitive questions, I have learned plenty, but once I get started
> everything I learned will probably be forgotten so more of the same
> questions will be asked.
> Thanks again!
>
> E & Reagan.
>

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7c. Re: treats for raw diet?
Posted by: "emil smolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:28 am ((PDT))

Will the chicken feet be too small, he's almost 80# now and will probably get to 150# when he's mature? He is a boerboel and 6mos old.
Thank you!

E & Reagan

----- Original Message ----
From: Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:36:23 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: treats for raw diet?

Hi, E!
There's really no need for a fasting day, but it certainly won't
hurt your dog, unless he has health issues or is a very young pup.

I also give pig ears, but the ones I get are fresh/frozen. I dry them
out a bit in a low temp oven (maybe 200 F?), just so they're a little
chewy.

NP, ask all the Qs you need to! Just keep us posted on your progress!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in new Jersey

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7d. Re: treats for raw diet?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:09 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/18/2007 2:29:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
esmolensky@yahoo.com writes:

Will the chicken feet be too small, he's almost 80# now and will probably get
to 150# when he's mature? He is a boerboel and 6mos old.

E,

Chicken feet are kinda like potato chips for dogs.. at least here.. i'm sure
if you check the archives you'll see where i've explained how we thaw out
chicken feet for the dogs and make popcorn for ourselves when we sit down to watch
a movie (because the silly wolf and the brat akita watch the movies with us).

Catherine R.

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8a. Re: 2-3% feeding amounts
Posted by: "Cathy Tweeddale Mitchell" duckndogs@telus.net duckndog
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:05 am ((PDT))

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:28:15 -0000, redwinejoy wrote:

>OK, I have been so happy to see my Sheltie eat that I think I have been feeding too much. My
>Sheltie (oversized 18" and 35 lbs.) should be getting 3/4 to 1 lb.

According to my research a 50 lb dog should get about a pound of food. Giving a 35# Sheltie that amount would like be too much food. My adult Labs get
about one pound per day.

Cathy

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8b. Re: 2-3% feeding amounts
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:01 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/17/2007 11:05:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
duckndogs@telus.net writes:

According to my research a 50 lb dog should get about a pound of food.
Giving a 35# Sheltie that amount would like be too much food. My adult Labs get
about one pound per day.

****how much a dog eats is a very individual thing.. and smaller dogs often
need more food per lb of dog to keep them running.

My 150 lb wolfdog gains weight FAST if i feed him 3 lbs every day, but
maintains really well on 1 - 1.5 lbs.

And my old man pit bull eats about the same amount @ 60 lbs.

The 2 - 3% of the adult body weight is just a STARTING GUIDELINE.. you adjust
those amounts after you see if the dogs gain or lose weight on that amount.
And for smaller dogs the starting guideline percentage is usually quoted as 3
- 5%.

Catherine R.

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9a. Re: meaning of RMB's
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:05 am ((PDT))

<<...There's a balance to offering just the right amount of information and
support and I don't always know where it is.

*sigh, that balance is different for each person, I suspect....>>

No fretting, Giselle, you do a great job explaining.

Ivette Casiano
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10.1. New to raw
Posted by: "smh0413" smh0413@yahoo.com smh0413
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:17 am ((PDT))

MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!!!!!!

I have a 3 year old female Rottweiler that I JUST started last week
(Thusday) on the raw diet,I am not giving vegtables or supplements at
this time. I have just been feeding her chicken leg quarters for now -
they were on sale and I had read they were a good thing to start out
on.
But her poop is a little runny, although she poops VERY little
compared to what she was when she was on kibble - HAPPY about that.
When she first goes they are formed but then end up runny.
Also she at times will throw up just a VERY tiny amount of slivered
bone.
What am I doing wrong, and what do I need to change?
Here is the kicker in the whole thing, she tore her cruciate ligament
and is having surgery this coming Tuesday (21st). I want her to be as
strong as possible going into it, and do not want to mess with her
system too much.
Can anyone give me some suggestions?
Thank-you in advance.

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11. ADMIN:TRIMMIMG AND SIGNING
Posted by: "GWB" chiksika@wowway.com kioqua
Date: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:19 am ((PDT))

Trimming and SIGNING mails are list REQUIREMENTS!! DO both or risk
deletion of your mails.

Questions or comment??

rawfeeding-owner@yahoogroups.com

Gerry Brierley-mod guy

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