Feed Pets Raw Food: Sep 14, 2007

Friday, September 14, 2007

[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12037

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Get it and freeze it?
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
1b. Re: Get it and freeze it?
From: Kaitlin Fraser

2a. Re: pregnancy diet
From: Tina Berry

3. Worried about a possible blockage?
From: rosielefty

4a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)
4b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Renate

5a. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5b. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5c. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5d. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5e. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5f. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5g. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5h. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5i. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: cypressbunny
5j. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod

6a. Re: Zachary doesn't want to eat today
From: Mia-Shay Emery

7. I need help starting a Raw diet for my Rottweiler
From: Jenn

8a. Re: Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: Morledzep@aol.com

9a. raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
From: spricketysprock
9b. Re: raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
From: Dave Brown

10a. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
From: darkstardog

11a. About Chicken
From: Renate
11b. Re: About Chicken
From: Dave Brown
11c. Re: About Chicken
From: Morledzep@aol.com

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1a. Re: Get it and freeze it?
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

Buy it, freeze it, thaw it, freeze it again, thaw it, freeze it again, thaw it again, freeze it again, thaw it again, and again, and again, it's fine, and fine again,:)
Your dog can handle it once you get over it. ALWAYS GET MEAT ON SALE, always.... and the more the better. And find a great freezer too:)
Freezer burn meat from friends who clean out their freezers is great too, they can't eat it but your dog could, easily! And they should give it to you for free too! It smells, but the dogs do fine with it. You'll see. Trust in the meat, and your dogs, it's a wonderful thing.
Jeni

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1b. Re: Get it and freeze it?
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:34 pm ((PDT))

I've always done short term freezing... like chicken I buy it 20pounds...
and it lasts about a month... I have a deep freezer to myself . But where
this was about 81 pounds it would be lasting a while... but so long as it
can't harm anything!. I shall call tomorrow.

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
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progress.( Raw Fed, )
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2a. Re: pregnancy diet
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:58 pm ((PDT))

"She did prefer more softer food items (organs, tripe, ground trachea)late
in the pregnancy. Last litter she
easily delivered 3 nice healthy pups who gained daily and who weaned to raw.
I also add fish oil to my dogs food."

Ditto. I feed what I normally would feed until a couple of weeks before
whelping - then no more bone and more organs (that's what they will usually
crave) but everything else I kept the same.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
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3. Worried about a possible blockage?
Posted by: "rosielefty" rosielefty@yahoo.com rosielefty
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:13 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,
I am new to the site. I read a lot of your messages and read about
raw feeding on the internet. I also bought "Raw Dog Food Make It Easy
For You and Your Dog" by Carina Beth MacDonal. So I don't know enough
yet I am sure. Anyway, I have two Cattle dogs. One is 9 yrs and one is
5 yrs. I have been raw feeding for about four weeks and it has been
rocky. First she didn't want to eat and now possible constipation with
the 5 yr old. The 9 yr old has allergies to everything and he is the
reason I began raw feeding. He likes the meat but has had loose
stools, gas, burping and now very loose stools with very small firmer
peices at the end. I did a really stupid thing. I wasn't sure which
bones were okay and I fed some beef ribs with 1 inch bones. He ate
about three of the bones and now I am very afraid one may be stuck. He
eats some but not enthusiastically. He vomited two nights ago but not
since. Does anyone have any input? Thanks in advance, Beth

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4a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:23 pm ((PDT))

My Toy Poodle sometimes has long hair and sometimes short - depends
entirely on whether the groomer can take her when it's convenient for me
to deliver her.

She never has any bad odor from rawfeeding, or from any other source. In
fact, au contraire - I am frequently asked why Molly smells so good.
Poobably this has something to do with the fact that she gets picked up
a lot, since she's so tiny. She's right up there by the person's nose.

Also, her breath is fresh as a daisy. Even her mean Auntie Jean, who is
dead set against rawfeeding and has two Toy Poodles of her own (who get
the cheapest k**ble on sale) confesses that Molly's breath smells fresh
all the time, while Jean's two dogs' breath could fell an ox at fifty
paces. You'd think she'd figure it out.

Carolyn J. Garnaas and Molly Toy Poodle, Fragrant and Fresh like Flower

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4b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

I want to thank everyone that has reassured me re the smelly mess issue.
Jenny, I love your doggy napkin film clip - so cute. Cathy I feel for you
having to pick up - we're rural and have a woodlot beside us that I walk
everyone in but I have 2 fosters with the runnies and the smellies. It's
bad enough cleaning up after them in the house - at least I can use a mop.
The snood, bib, and hair clip ideas are great. So I guess I'd better get to
finding raw sources - should be easy, there's a butcher/abbatoir that is
really great - they've been slicing up marrow bones to 1-1/2 inch chunks for
my tzus so I guess that's my first stop.

--
Renate
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5a. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:50 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 9:21:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
suzmacleod@rogers.com writes:

I went to pick up my Ostrich Necks yesterday from my Ostrich lady and
she gave me an Ostrich Egg, Have any of you guys ever fed this. It's
almost a big as a football. Huge for my 2 Frenchies! LOL

Suz,

Yep.. the dogs like ostrich eggs.. but they all had kinda sloppy poop the
next day. Ostrich eggs are yummy.. make an omellette, you won't regret it, and
your dogs won't make a mess.. lol.

Catherine R.

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5b. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:51 pm ((PDT))

I never thought of that Chris!! Thats a super idea...you wanna see
this things - massive!!!!!LOL Can you imagine thesize of the quiche
it would make!!!!

Suz Kate and Joey
Thank-you all for your responses!

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5c. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:52 pm ((PDT))

> hehehe....I'm jealous, here. Trying to visualize my Yorkie with an
Ostrich neck <smile>.
>
My Frenchies LOVE the Ostrich neck - they are perefct sized RMB, just
enough meat vs bone. And the bone is quite porous, so they can a good
workout, a great teeth cleaning but not nearly as tough as a lot of
other bones. The meat is gorgeous too. A nice deep red, fresh
meat.....and they are all naturally raised! Perfect for the kiddies!!!

Suz Kate and Joey
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5d. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:55 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 12:30:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mom2moz@yahoo.com writes:

I'd just crack the egg, and see what they do with it. Be ready to follow up
with bath!

****how would you just crack the egg? Ostrich egg shells are THICK.. they
are almost impossible to crack. you have to drill a hole in either end and blow
the contents out. And once the shell is empty folks will pay money for them,
i see no need to break the shell and throw away money.

Catherine R.

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5e. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:34 pm ((PDT))

> Thats exactly what the lady told me. I have to drill a hole...this
thing is sooo cool. And HEAVY!!!! I'm gonna let my neighbour do it.
Then she said rinse the egg shell out with some bleach and water, let
it dry, and make crafts with the egg. People pay up to $50 for an egg
shell!!!!!I'm gonna make a French Bulldog out of my egg LOl.
I love Chris's idea though about the ice cube tray. In the summer I
often make meatsicles for them. Pieces of meat with a bit of water,
and their great treats on a hot day. Would you guys scarmble the eggs
first before freezing, or just good 'ol raw.
Suz Kate and Joey
>
> ****how would you just crack the egg? Ostrich egg shells are
THICK.. they
> are almost impossible to crack. you have to drill a hole in either
end and blow
> the contents out. And once the shell is empty folks will pay money
for them,
> i see no need to break the shell and throw away money.

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5f. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 2:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
suzmacleod@rogers.com writes:

Would you guys scarmble the eggs
first before freezing, or just good 'ol raw.

Suz,

if you're intent on feeding the egg to the dogs.. whip it up (like you're
going to scramble and cook them) and freeze in ice cube trays, but do not cook it.

IF you take my suggestion and just make yourself an omellette.. you will of
course be cooking it.

Catherine R.

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5g. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Catherine!!!!!If you weren't so far...I'
d have ya over fro brunch!LOL
Suz Kate and Joey

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5h. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:32 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 4:08:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
suzmacleod@rogers.com writes:

Thanks Catherine!!!!!If you weren't so far...I'
d have ya over fro brunch!LOL

Suz,

aren't you in the Great Pacific Northwest? i applied for a supervisor job
just north of Seattle.. might be sooner than you think!!! lol

Catherine R.

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5i. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:34 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...>
wrote:
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> If you weren't so far...I'
> d have ya over fro brunch!LOL

*** There's a local place here that serves 12 egg omlettes, and if you
finish the whole thing it is free. I think you could do something
similiar with your one egg!

--Carrie

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5j. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:58 pm ((PDT))

> *** There's a local place here that serves 12 egg omlettes, and if
you
> finish the whole thing it is free. I think you could do something
> similiar with your one egg!

I love it!!! Apparently the egg is equivalent to 24 chicken
eggs.....doing a bit of reasearch!!

Suz Kate and Joey

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6a. Re: Zachary doesn't want to eat today
Posted by: "Mia-Shay Emery" briarbaby_04@yahoo.com briarbaby_04
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:53 pm ((PDT))

<Mia,>
<Sounds like you're doing fine. I wouldn't worry about any bacteria, but you don't need to> <leave the food out so long, if he's not eating it in about 15 minutes, put it away, just> <because.>

Ok. Thanks! I wasn't sure. I saw that some people did that if their dog was refusing the new diet and I haven't had that problem with Zachary so far.

<Depending on the size of dog you have (for 4-6 cups of chicken) and how old he is,>

Zachary is an Afghan Hound and he turned seven on the ninth of this month.

<he might not need three feedings a day anymore. You could easily back him off to two> <now, since he is kind of telling you he's not interested in that other feeding.>

He's underweight, so I've been giving him as much as he wanted. He's only been on raw for about a week now and the improvement is obvious.

<Sounds like you have a very smart dog on your hands:)>

He's brilliant! He comes in and 'asks' for food and water, (nudges me and walks to the offending dish) and rings the chimes on the back door when he wants out, if I don't hear the chimes he comes to the front door and woofs politely until I let him out, (polite woofing is a quiet "oof" and a long pause before another "oof")

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7. I need help starting a Raw diet for my Rottweiler
Posted by: "Jenn" jamyers@swampfoxpc.com rdnckgrl83
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:12 pm ((PDT))

I am wanting to start a raw diet for my 4 year old rottweiler. I have
been reading some things, but am at a loss for where to start. We are
currently feeding her Canidae dry dog food. I also have a 1 year old
cat and 2 ferrets one who is 4 and one that is 1yr old. Any help on
starting the raw diet would be extremely helpful. Thanks in advance.
Jenn Myers

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8a. Re: Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:15 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/13/2007 7:23:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
christyb@cox.net writes:

I am very curious about this since I just paid a pretty penny for a
whole (head, guts, hide & wool!) grass fed sheep?

Christy,

Sheepskin is wonderful stuff and worth $$$. Here again, like with the
ostrich eggs.. i don't see a need to feed money to my dogs.. whether the wool is
edible or digestable or not, which i believe it is not.

Catherine R.

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9a. raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone,
It's evident enough why dogs would eat only meat, but I'm wondering
what the benefits are for raw vs. cooked. Is it just for the edible
bones or are there "enzymes" I've heard of that are so beneficial? If
so, what are they exactly?!

Also, I would like to post what my dog typically eats, just to make
sure I'm not doing something terribly wrong:

whole chicken in the morning, ground beef in the evening (I've yet to
find cheap whole cuts of beef!!)
chicken and beef hearts
chicken and beef liver
whole fish, usually mackeral, a couple times a week (I'm trying to
work in more as his digestive system can keep up with it)

I generally feed enough bone so that he poops regularly. Should that
be adequate to ensure a proper calcium-phosphorous ratio or should I
be more diligent?

Is that an adequate diet? I'm afraid to introduce pork, I've heard too
many horror stories, and don't have much access to other cuts of meat
that are reasonably priced. (Buffalo, lamb, and goat, for example, are
quite expensive.)

My dog is around 65 lbs, 10.5 yrs, a shepherd mix. I would REALLY
appreciate it if someone could tell me just how much liver he should
be getting... I have a feeling I'm not feeding nearly enough (one palm-
sized piece every 3 weeks or so) but I'm afraid to feed too much
because I heard too much vit. A is toxic.

Also, I'm wondering if anyone on this group are long-time veterans of
raw feeding, and how your dogs have responded to it. Anyone here feed
raw to a pup through old age?

I'm loving this group, thanks so much everyone!!

Jessica and Toby

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9b. Re: raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
Posted by: "Dave Brown" quahog@netnet.net quahogwi
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:20 pm ((PDT))

At 06:34 PM 9/14/2007, you wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>It's evident enough why dogs would eat only meat, but I'm wondering
>what the benefits are for raw vs. cooked. Is it just for the edible
>bones or are there "enzymes" I've heard of that are so beneficial? If
>so, what are they exactly?!

For one, cooking alters or even completely destroys the natural
enzymes found in the raw meat. Dogs utilize these enzymes in various
ways from simple digestion to internal health and growth.

Dave Brown
Green Bay, WI

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10a. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, schreierlori@... wrote:
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>
>
> Hi,
> I am new to the group and not yet feeding raw. I was just told 2
weeks >ago that my dog (10 year old shep/hound mix) has kidney failure.

You also might read this post:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139714

Marty

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11a. About Chicken
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:33 pm ((PDT))

It seems like most of you are buying supermarket chicken. What about using
year-old layers that are being replaced at egg farms? I know for people the
meat is tougher (they are sold as soup birds), but does that matter to a
dog? There would be less fat, which I assume would be good? Would the
bones be harder? What do you think? Or should I just stick with the
supermarket/butcher shop?

--
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11b. Re: About Chicken
Posted by: "Dave Brown" quahog@netnet.net quahogwi
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:57 pm ((PDT))

If you can get fowl instead of roaster/broiler/fryers, then by all means do so.

Dave Brown
Green Bay, WI

At 07:31 PM 9/14/2007, you wrote:

>What about using
>year-old layers that are being replaced at egg farms?

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11c. Re: About Chicken
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:27 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 4:34:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
renate.tideswell@gmail.com writes:

What about using
year-old layers that are being replaced at egg farms? I know for people the
meat is tougher (they are sold as soup birds), but does that matter to a
dog?

Renate,

if you can get the culled layers for less than you can buy fryers in the
grocery store go for it.. dogs won't care.. and how tough the bones are is NOT an
issue.. no matter how old the chicken is, the bones can never get too tough
for a dog to eat.

They will still most likely have a kinda lopsided meat/bone ratio like
grocery store birds do, but that is easily remedied with added meat.

Catherine R.

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[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12036

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. raw diet and kidney failure
From: schreierlori@aol.com
1b. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
From: Sandee Lee

2.1. Newbie
From: Veth Javier

3a. Re: Pork intolerance?
From: cresco299
3b. Re: Pork intolerance?
From: Howard Salob
3c. Re: Pork intolerance?
From: costrowski75

4a. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: Christy B
4b. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: Maria

5a. Re: anal sacs?
From: helpshelteranimals
5b. Get it and freeze it?
From: Kaitlin Fraser
5c. Re: anal sacs?
From: Laurie Swanson
5d. Re: Get it and freeze it?
From: costrowski75
5e. Re: Get it and freeze it?
From: Yasuko herron

6a. Re: Swallowing big bones whole?!
From: mrskheath

7a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: geraldinebutterfield
7b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Cathy Crosby
7c. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Loretta Luja

8a. Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
8b. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Karen Swanay
8c. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: ada
8d. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Yasuko herron
8e. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: pregnancy diet
From: Phil Scala

10a. Zachary doesn't want to eat today
From: Mia-Shay Emery
10b. Re: Zachary doesn't want to eat today
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

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1a. raw diet and kidney failure
Posted by: "schreierlori@aol.com" schreierlori@aol.com lorischreier
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:19 am ((PDT))

Hi,
I am new to the group and not yet feeding raw. I was just told 2 weeks ago
that my dog (10 year old shep/hound mix) has kidney failure. Don't know if
chronic or acute. She doesn't act sick at all aside from being lethargic
sometimes. They gave her a day of IV fluids at the vet and sent me home with a can
of K/D food for kidneys - low protein, basically corn starch mush. I won 't
give it to her but started cooking a homemade diet with veggies, grain an
meat. I know this list doesn't approve of other than meat. Now I am wondering
about raw, especially if all meat, and how to do that and not overload her on
protein since they say it is hard on the kidneys. Any ideas or experience
outs of others in this situation?
Thanks
Lori

Lori Schreier and James Warren

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1b. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:08 am ((PDT))

Lori,

It is not protein that needs to be avoided. The easy digestibility, high
moisture content of a raw diet is exactly what any diseased organ needs in
order to heal/remain healthy. Low protein high carbohydrate diets are quite
harmful to the organs as they produce more waste products requiring the
organs to work harder.

Here is some info about protein/kidney disease....
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/114796

Depending on just how severe this is, you may need to watch phosphorus
content. Do you have the lab results?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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> I am new to the group and not yet feeding raw. I was just told 2 weeks ago
> that my dog (10 year old shep/hound mix) has kidney failure. Don't know if
> chronic or acute. She doesn't act sick at all aside from being lethargic
> sometimes. They gave her a day of IV fluids at the vet and sent me home
with a can
> of K/D food for kidneys - low protein, basically corn starch mush. I won
't
> give it to her but started cooking a homemade diet with veggies, grain an
> meat. I know this list doesn't approve of other than meat. Now I am
wondering
> about raw, especially if all meat, and how to do that and not overload
her on
> protein since they say it is hard on the kidneys.

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2.1. Newbie
Posted by: "Veth Javier" vethjavier@gmail.com vethjavier
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

Hi, Just joined this group and have been enjoying reading the posts. After
not having any animals for over 15 years, I recently adopted two dogs that
became inseparable at their rescue site. I started one dog last night on
raw food and after his meal he was staring at me in disbelief like he had
the most unbelievably delicious meal. I don't think he took a breath while
eating. I had ordered crushed organic chicken from grandadspetfoods.com but
next time I will get whole pieces like everyone has mentioned here.
Still learning,
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3a. Re: Pork intolerance?
Posted by: "cresco299" gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com cresco299
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:53 am ((PDT))

"costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> After three months you can start backing off on the chicken. Four
> days a week is a lot of chicken. I recommend you mix it up more.

****
Good to know, I'll keep up with the pork. But as far as the chicken
goes, I thought it could be used as a "staple" in the dogs diet. I'm
definitely open to change but this will likely blow my doggie budget
out of the water!

Thanks for the input.

Jeff

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3b. Re: Pork intolerance?
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

Dear Chris,

Try try green tripe. It is beef and excellent for dogs and it is cheap.

Sincerely,

Howard

cresco299 <gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com> wrote:
"costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> After three months you can start backing off on the chicken. Four
> days a week is a lot of chicken. I recommend you mix it up more.

Thanks for the input.

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3c. Re: Pork intolerance?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:40 am ((PDT))

"cresco299" <gentry.jeffrey@...> wrote:
> But as far as the chicken
> goes, I thought it could be used as a "staple" in the dogs diet. I'm
> definitely open to change but this will likely blow my doggie budget
> out of the water!
*****
No, it will only blow out a narrowly-researched budget.

The further one feeds from whole prey, the more alert one must be for
variety, both protein source and body part. Variety is how we make
sure we're providing the full range of vits and mins; variety is how we
supply the nutrients our dogs require. Ideally no one protein source
should have to dominate the menu meal after day after week after
month. Try to have several "staples" in the offing and don't get
complacent feeding the same old-same old all the time.

The more red meat you can get into your dog, the better; increasing the
amount of heart you feed is one way you can reduce your dependence on
chicken while not busting your budget. A chicken/pork/heart menu with
all three generally assuming a generally equal burden of responsibility
might be a useful plan. A chicken/heart/pork/player to be named later
would be even more beneficial.

Sometimes compromises need to be made and one does what one has to do.
C'est la guerre. But the goal should be to feed variety. And the more
you look for options, the more options you'll find.
Chris O

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4a. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "Christy B" christyb@cox.net christyb14
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:21 am ((PDT))

Help!

What can I do with this unsheared sheep?

I haven't actually seen it yet - it is in several trash bags in my
freezer. I told the farmer not to shear it thinking that was the
right thing to do. She said that some parts they had to in order to
butcher it but other parts they left it on. How in the world can I
salvage this really expensive adventure?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Christy

Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:32 pm (PST)

*** Wild sheep do not have the same type/amount of wool as sheep bred
for wool production. Yes, if wolves pulled down a wild sheep, they
might eat some of the hide and therefore some of the wool, and most
dogs would not eat the wool either since it is not digestible. Wool
mats when wet, so
I would be afraid to feed hide-on sheep in full coat.

*** In short, the hide is great, but eating a huge amount of attached
wool might not be. A recently-sheared sheep would be fine.

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4b. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:11 am ((PDT))

Pull the skin off of the meat.

Maria.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Christy B <christyb@...> wrote:

> How in the world can I salvage this really expensive adventure?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Christy
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5a. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:13 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone's raw fed dog have these problems?
> Jo
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5b. Get it and freeze it?
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:28 pm ((PDT))

Chicken and pork are currently rather cheap at my new butcher..... I
generally pay about 2dollars a pount for chicken and it's on sale for
1.39... Pork I pay about 2.10-2.50 a pound and I can get it right now if I
buy a WHOLE side for 1.59.... Should I get it and freeze it? I mean I freeze
all my meats short term... but that meat would be around a while... it won't
hurt it will it?

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

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5c. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:31 pm ((PDT))

My dog used to scoot his butt on the carpet every so often and had his
anal sacs expressed once by the vet. The problem wasn't bad enough for
me to worry about treating it too much and I really didn't like the
idea of having them expressed, but I noticed it went away after I
removed the veggies from his diet. I used to feed ground raw meat and
pureed veggies. Since going to prey model and getting rid of veggies
about a year ago, the scooting stopped.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone's raw fed dog have these problems?
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5d. Re: Get it and freeze it?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:54 pm ((PDT))

"Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
Should I get it and freeze it? I mean I freeze
> all my meats short term... but that meat would be around a while...
it won't
> hurt it will it?
*****
Yes, get it. I recommend you do your divvying up process before you
freeze it so that you don't have to defrost and refreeze great hunks of
stuff each time you need some. If you wrap it well you can freeze it
for several months without worry of freezer burn; if you don't wrap it
well the meat may be freezer burned but that will not be a problem for
the dogs.

Chris O

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5e. Re: Get it and freeze it?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

>Should I get it and freeze it?

Hi.I would get it.

>that meat would be around a while... it won't hurt it will it?

Usually, for human,meat be in feezer up until about 9 months or so,I read in one of my cookbook trying to tell you how long you can keep food.

But for dog...,it probably not much problem,I think.

I have a stand-up freezer exclusively for palette. I rarely buy meat for months,because I gathered all I need when I first started rawfeeding,and my plan is to add lower stock up every time when needed.

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6a. Re: Swallowing big bones whole?!
Posted by: "mrskheath" mrskheath@yahoo.co.uk mrskheath
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> Hi Karlene,
>
> How big are your dogs? Those are small pieces for anything but tiny
> dogs. Can be choking hazards, but sounds like it went down ok. It
> should digest fine. You may see fragments in his poop, or it's
> possible he'll vomit some back up, but that can happen in newbie dogs

How big depends on how big he is. If
> you fed him a pound, is he about 30-50 lbs.? If that's the case, I'd
> probably not go any smaller than a quarter of a chicken (in one
> hunk). If you want to slow him down even more, go even bigger and
> let him eat half or whatever, and save the other half for the next
> meal. It will be more naturally dismantled and he'll have to work
> and think even more.
>
> Laurie
>

Nanuq is a 19 month old Siberian husky. He weighs in at 20 kilos / 42
lbs.
Saying a 1/4 of a chicken is rather vague - i suppose it depends on
the size of the chicken. He is having just over a lb a day - is this
ok? I try to include a leg in the part i cut off as it contains a big
bone that he will have to work at to get the meat off, but it's still
gone in pretty much 2-3 minutes. He has always eaten raw (minced as a
pup - i was so naive, then defrosted poultry necks, tripe or liver) so
he isn't entirely new to raw - although he certainly enjoys this more,
as does the younger puppy, she also finishes it in no time (she is now
almost 5 months). I think you could be right that it is excitement,
maybe in a few days it will calm down, he certainly seems more than
ok. Can't believe I never did this before. It's so much easier than
all that preparation. Yippee.

Karlene

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7a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:42 am ((PDT))

I am really drawn to the whole raw feeding thing, but
> with long-haired lap-dogs, how messy are they going to be? I'm
not the best
> housekeeper, but I have to draw the line at sleeping with bloody-
covered,
> fatty, smelly doggies. Will they need bathing every day? Anyone
here in
> the same situation?
>
> --
> Renate

Hi Renate,
I have a white maltipoo which I keep the hair on her face and head
long. She does get messy when she eats but I just clean her up with
a wash cloth. She doesn't smell at all. In fact, her breath doesn't
have even a doggy smell like it did on "k". And she IS a lap dog :-)
> Although she doesn't sleep with us all night she does come into
bed with us in the morning.

go for it! you won't be sorry-
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7b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Cathy Crosby" biblecat@sbcglobal.net waycoolcavies
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:28 pm ((PDT))

I'm far from an expert, having started raw feeing a whole 5 days ago,
but wanted to comment on the facial hair issue. I have a Chinese Crested
and so far she hasn't made a mess of herself at all. The best part is
her breath is wonderful! OK this is gross, but I keep sniffing her
because I can hardly believe how sweet her breath is. The plaque is
disappearing too. Now if I can just get the runnies to stop I'll be in
good shape. It is hard to pick up while on walks!
Cathy

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7c. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Loretta Luja" luja@comcast.net desertwilite
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:31 pm ((PDT))

I don't know if this would help your dog,
but mine have to wear a "snood" when they
eat to keep ears out of the food. It is like a
sleeve that has elastic on each end and covers
and holds back the ear and neck hair. They
don't mind putting them on because it means
it's chow time!! You can email me if you want
a cheap source for one to try out.

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8a. Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:21 am ((PDT))

I went to pick up my Ostrich Necks yesterday from my Ostrich lady and
she gave me an Ostrich Egg, Have any of you guys ever fed this. It's
almost a big as a football. Huge for my 2 Frenchies! LOL
Suz Kate and Joey

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8b. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:28 pm ((PDT))

one ostrich egg is the measurable equivalent to a dozen chicken eggs
roughly. That's a lot of egg for two small dogs. I'd be careful about
letting them gorge on that much egg since it can give them diarrhea. I
wonder if you couldn't crack it, scramble it (not cook it) and say mix it
with ground meat then freeze that to feed out in appropriate portions. I've
fed them to my guys but mine are large dogs.
Karen

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8c. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "ada" mom2moz@yahoo.com mom2moz
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:29 pm ((PDT))

hehehe....I'm jealous, here. Trying to visualize my Yorkie with an Ostrich neck <smile>.

I'd just crack the egg, and see what they do with it. Be ready to follow up with bath!

Susanne MacLeod <suzmacleod@rogers.com> wrote:
I went to pick up my Ostrich Necks yesterday from my Ostrich lady and
she gave me an Ostrich Egg, Have any of you guys ever fed this. It's
almost a big as a football. Huge for my 2 Frenchies! LOL
Suz Kate and Joey

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8d. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:30 pm ((PDT))

>she gave me an Ostrich Egg

Hi,lucky for you! I have seen in on Food Network but it did look pretty big!

why don't you pour into measuring cup or some sort and stir,and give some to your dog and for rest of the Egg,you eat it with your family as scramble egg or something?

I have never tasted it before but,with huge Egg,you could make some for human family too.

If you give whole thing to dog,I worry about outcome though..

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8e. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:50 pm ((PDT))

"Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...> wrote:
>It's
> almost a big as a football. Huge for my 2 Frenchies!
*****
Zounds!
I vote you scramble the contents, then freeze the results in a ice cube
tray so that you can feed through the monster in gentle doses.
Chris O

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9a. Re: pregnancy diet
Posted by: "Phil Scala" tengaishibas@comcast.net cpmmc
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I'm fairly new at the raw feeding(2 years) but I fed my Shiba Inu
girl pretty much what she ate normally I added some cottage cheese
and eggs every other day after about 2-3 weeks for a few weeks and
then everyday after. Late in the pregnancy her meals were 2-3 times a
day. She sometimes didn't eat all her food, and about 2 weeks before
delivery and 1 week after didn't want a lot of boney meals. She
usually eats chicken, turkey, lamb,pork,beef, salmon, sardines,
mackarel, whatever I can find. She did prefer more softer food items
(organs, tripe, ground trachea)late in the pregnancy. Last litter she
easily delivered 3 nice healthy pups who gained daily and who weaned
to raw. I also add fish oil to my dogs food.
She was just bred again last week, and I will continue the same
routine with her. Hopefully she blesses us with another healthy litter

Phil
www.tengaishibas.com
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Baird" <judy@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I have a female that is being bred this week.
> Years ago I followed a diet from Growing Your Pups with Bones
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10a. Zachary doesn't want to eat today
Posted by: "Mia-Shay Emery" briarbaby_04@yahoo.com briarbaby_04
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi All
Zachary isn't interested in eating today, otherwise he seems fine. I've seen people mention fasting their dogs, will he fast himself?
We are still figuring out how much he eats in a day, so far he's eating 4-6 cups of raw chicken, bone in, per day depending on the day. He eats it in three meals and is only interested in his midday feeding on some days.
I try not to leave his food down for too long, usually 20-30 min, as I worry about bacteria.
He hasn't had the runs since he overindulged on deer organs, (we just give him a little bit from the freezer each day) and a bit of dried liver for a treat now and then.
Are we doing ok?
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10b. Re: Zachary doesn't want to eat today
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:45 pm ((PDT))

Mia,
Sounds like you're doing fine. I wouldn't worry about any bacteria, but you don't need to leave the food out so long, if he's not eating it in about 15 minutes, put it away, just because. Then put it out at the next feeding. And dogs do regulate themselves all the time. They sometimes don't get hungry, haven't used alot of energy that day, not hungry. Seems funny for a dog to turn away food, but my danes have done it, and it was weird. But it's ok. No need to fast unless they might be sick. And you didn't see any signs of that, so looks like he just wasn't hungry.
Depending on the size of dog you have (for 4-6 cups of chicken) and how old he is, he might not need three feedings a day anymore. You could easily back him off to two now, since he is kind of telling you he's not interested in that other feeding. If he is a Giant Breed dog like mine, and going on over 6 months of age, you could even back him off to one feeding a day, with chewy bones with some scraps of meat on them for snacks during the day. Sounds like you have a very smart dog on your hands:)
Jeni

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: giving up!!
From: johkemp

2a. Grass Eating
From: Ivette Casiano
2b. Grass Eating
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: delcaste
3b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Jenny S

4a. Re: breed specific
From: great_dane_devotee

5a. Re: puppy coughing.
From: johkemp

6a. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: Christy B
6b. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: cypressbunny

7. 2 weeks on Raw
From: gbongi1

8a. Re: anal sacs?
From: jmwise80
8b. Re: anal sacs?
From: Evie
8c. Re: anal sacs?
From: S.R. Sudekum

9a. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
From: lauraanimal1
9b. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
From: lauraanimal1

10. pregnancy diet
From: Judy Baird

11a. Thanks
From: lauraanimal1

12a. Re: Pork intolerance?
From: Gar Dee

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1a. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "john" <luvthisphysique@...> wrote:
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> i am completely exhausted of my dog eating a little bit of his food,
> or just him looknig at it!!
>
Have you ever had toddlers? It is the same thing - don't stress about
it, just take the food away and DON'T offer anything else until the
next meal. Kids and dogs won't starve if they don't eat at every
meal :)

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2a. Grass Eating
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

Every time my Lab eats grass, even one blade, he throws up, but he keeps eating it.
What's up with that?
I've eliminated every other possible cause and the only one left is too much liver. I'll eliminate that next time and see if the culprit was the liver or the grass.

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2b. Grass Eating
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Ivette!
IMO,the reasons why dogs eat grass are as varied as the
dogs that eat it. *shrug* They just do.
Some past discussions;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/msearch?query=why+does+my+dog+eat+grass&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
http://tinyurl.com/28ca9l

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/msearch?query=eat+grass&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
http://tinyurl.com/2haoer
TC
Giselle

> Every time my Lab eats grass, even one blade, he throws up, but he
keeps eating it.
> What's up with that?
> I've eliminated every other possible cause and the only one left
is too much liver. I'll eliminate that next time and see if the
culprit was the liver or the grass.
>
>
> Ivette Casiano
> "Live for today, plan for tomorrow"

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3a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

I am really drawn to the whole raw feeding thing, but
> with long-haired lap-dogs, how messy are they going to be? I'm not
the best
> housekeeper, but I have to draw the line at sleeping with bloody-
covered,
> fatty, smelly doggies. Will they need bathing every day? Anyone
here in
> the same situation?
>
> --
> Renate

Well, I sleep with pugs and their faces are right into their food. They
never have gotten fat and smelly or even bloody. I do wipe them with a
baby wipe after they're done eating. Sometimes one of the pugs' paws
get into her food but beyond that they're extremely clean. Since your
babies have long hair you would just have to tie it back. You'll be
happy you made the switch, though.

Silvina

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3b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:39 am ((PDT))

Hey Renate...we have a female shih tzu she has been raw fed for quite a few months now and i was concerned about the same things you are also we tend to keep her ears long and was very worried about mess in her lovley hair ..she is a full lapdog and yes she sleeps in our bed. she is a very neet eater and cleans herself after she eats, seldom is there blood on her face if there is ill wipe her face with a damp cloth or a wet wipe ..

check my video link below (doggy napkin) and see how she usually cleans herself :)

they will be fine im sure and no worry abut upsetting many on here its an awsome open form and everyone is very understanding ..
Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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4a. Re: breed specific
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

Those are good questions...I hadn't thought about those having this kind of reaction in a
dog. I've done raw off and on for her whole life, but never this pure of raw. I started with
Billinghurst, then switched to a raw ground meat/cooked grain/supplement/ BARF patties/
innove evo kibble/ and am just getting back to trying raw again through the
encouragement of this forum. So not a long time- days actually.

Yes, I vaccinate as little as possible, but I do vaccinate. My dogs are therapy dogs and
they have to be reasonably up to date. My vet has them on a year or two longer inbetween
vaccines, though. I have done flea treatments on the highly allergic dog, too, but just a
little- one month per year. The Dane can't handle flea stuff- it messes with her nervous
system.

I will just have to see how it goes.

Thanks, those were good thoughts.

Libby
> > I guess that means that a raw diet doesn't help with all alergies.
> Is that right? I've got a dog
> > who sems to have just about every inhaled allergy you can imagine,
> and I'd hoped that raw
> > would help with that.
> >
> > Libby
> >
>
> Depends, how long have you been feeding and do you vaccinate and/or use
> HW and flea/tick preventatives?
>
> Dina
> PA
>

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5a. Re: puppy coughing.
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Karen R <mellowed_2@...> wrote:
>
> My collie has coughed since the day I got her .... The thing I
notice is if she is occupied or active, she does not do it, but does
it when she is idle or maybe bored.
>
Are you sure this is not just a habit?

I had a dog that was stung by a bee. I was very conernced about the
limping and whimpering that seem to go for days. That is until I
happened to glance out the window and saw her running around and
herding her flowerpots (a sheltie) as usual. I opened the door and
called her to me as I was so pleased with her 'progress'. The little
brat immediately started limping and hung down her head as she
hobbled over. She obviously enjoyed the attention!!

I do think that coughing can be a learned behaviour - I know a few
babies that have been quite pleased with the sound and the attention
it gets. I also know a few adults that continually cough or throat
clear while they are taling - very irritating!!

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6a. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "Christy B" christyb@cox.net christyb14
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:23 pm ((PDT))

Why would the wool and/or hide be a bad thing? Wouldn't they eat it
if they caught it themselves?

I am very curious about this since I just paid a pretty penny for a
whole (head, guts, hide & wool!) grass fed sheep?

I would love some input here. Lola is about 3 years old, a 55+ pound
Belgian Malinois/Golden Retriever mix; eating raw for almost 2 years.

Thanks,
Christy

Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:20 pm (PST)

anyway I asked earlier about the buthcer and the wild game, but what
about sheep? I have never heard of that one being feed, I know the
hide wouldnt be a good thing unless it has been shaved???? but what
about the rest of the meat? i mean it seems like she should be able
to eat it, I mean think of the comment wolf
in sheeps clothing...... can anyone give me any advice?
TIA...
Laura & Ishta

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6b. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:32 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Christy B <christyb@...> wrote:
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> Why would the wool and/or hide be a bad thing? Wouldn't they eat
it
> if they caught it themselves?

*** Wild sheep do not have the same type/amount of wool as sheep bred
for wool production. Yes, if wolves pulled down a wild sheep, they
might eat some of the hide and therefore some of the wool, and most
dogs would not eat the wool either since it is not digestible. But,
there are some dogs with poor powers of discrimination that might
ingest wool, and that could prove detrimental. Wool mats when wet, so
I would be afraid to feed hide-on sheep in full coat.

*** In short, the hide is great, but eating a huge amount of attached
wool might not be. A recently-sheared sheep would be fine.

Carrie

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7. 2 weeks on Raw
Posted by: "gbongi1" gbongi1@comcast.net gbongi1
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:34 pm ((PDT))

I little history of me and my Dog.i got him from a sheep farmer about
2.5 months ago. He was used as coyote bait on the farm. They stuck him
and his litter mates in the in the cage to draw in coyotes. he
farmers would then sghot the coyotes ... sick I know.

So anyway I got this little hellion of a dog which I love so very much
(he's changed my life)

He is about 1.2 years old. 33lbs. Great dog.

I have been feeding my Heeler mix raw chicken for 2 weeks now.

How I do it:
- Buy whole oven stuffers.
- Quarter them.
- skin them.
- He gets a quarter a day.
- He also eats Lamb heart, beef heart, Chicken livers, Necks and
gizzards as a "side" or later in the evening.

His bowel movement really slowed down and he seems to be about regular.
He poops less (it looks like large deer poop)
Its firm. There are bones in the poop. (this makes me nervous)
The last two days I have seen a very little bit of blood in the stool.
(This makes me nervous but since he was a bit constipated at first
that maybe we are ok.).

He seems to love the food. I don't feed him the "K" but he will eat it
(he steals it form the cats which are getting slowly adjusted to the raw.)

This is my first post and wanted to get some feedback about the above
schedules and if I should be concerned with anything.

thanks alot
~g~

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8a. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:14 pm ((PDT))

My Jack Russell used to have to get manually expressed 2 or 3 times a
year, I think. Maybe more. I do know that I have only had to do it
once since I started feeding raw 10 months ago. It hasn't knocked it
out completely, but I can say that it has made it much better.

Michael Wise

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8b. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "Evie" archie.willow@yahoo.co.uk archie.willow
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:21 am ((PDT))

Hi Jo,
My lurcher needed hers cleaned out often when I first got her. This
improved somewhat changing her over to a holistic kibble. Having
changed her over to a raw diet she has never needed them cleared since,
they don't bother her at all. (Touch wood!)

Evie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone's raw fed dog have these problems?
> I was wondering whether the more natural diet has effects on anal
> sacs.
> Jo

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8c. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "S.R. Sudekum" ssudekum@centurytel.net fassue
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:38 am ((PDT))

johkemp wrote:
> Does anyone's raw fed dog have these problems?

Happily, not any more! My Dalmatian used to have NASTY anal sac problems
when she was on the death nuggets. With the raw diet, her poops have
become firmer and smaller, and she has to put some effort into getting
them out, which puts pressure on the sacs and naturally keeps them
clean. Haven't had any problems ever since!

Sue and Leela

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9a. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:14 pm ((PDT))

>
> *** It would be unusual to buy mutton with the skin on--more often
it
> would be skinned first. I agree that I wouldn't feed hide with a lot
> of wool on it. If it was sheared first that would be ok. Other than
> that the whole sheep is edible for a rottie.
>
> --Carrie
>

Thanks Carrie,

I didnt know that was what muttom was....Duhhhh how dunce can I
be...lol

Laura and Ishta

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9b. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:16 pm ((PDT))

No i Have to admit i never feed lamb, to pricey for me.. :( And I'm
not sure how They would give me the Sheep, it would be from the
butcher, he has people he knows that raise sheep but he doesnt butcher
them. He butchers only Cow's and pig's. So I am not sure if I will be
getting any first off, but if I do, I wanted to know what i needed and
didnt need. Figured it would be everything, but the hide is what i was
worried about because they are not sheared at this time of year here.
and I guess it would depend on how it dies to if they do or not.
Thanks,
Laura

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10. pregnancy diet
Posted by: "Judy Baird" judy@brig.com earthdoglover
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I have a female that is being bred this week.
Years ago I followed a diet from Growing Your Pups with Bones (Billinghurst)
Both of my girls at that time had great trouble with their whelpings.
Possibly from other underlying factors but I wonder if the veggies, goats
milk, supplements helped or not.
I have been told to add Vit B12, Folic Acid and Vit C immediately.
Does anyone have info about this and what quantity to give?
We tend to feed too much chicken for money reasons and also for lack of
variety in our local stores.
Would more straight beef to replace some chicken be beneficial?
What about fish?? There is so much bad news about mercury and parasites in
certain fish that I do not know what kind to try.
Anyone who can share pregnancy diet advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Judy

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11a. Thanks
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:39 am ((PDT))

Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice on the
sheep/wool/mutton, I got great answers from all of you..... Now
Saturday I am gonna have some fun....???? I talked to the wild game
place and they told me they would hold some stuff back for me so I
dont have to "dumpster dive" into a dumpster full of carcasses.....
(Thank you) I wasnt looking forward to getting all bloody in that
way.Still have to amn handle and cut up big bodies though. I will be
getting some deer and elk heads and rib cages and legs, as well as
other parts, they also said they will try to save me any organs and
tongues they get in. I am also 1st in line for the un-picked up meat
when the season is over. With that Me and My rottie can eat some of
that, I get the sausage, she gets most everything else.

Now sometime next week I will be going out "with" the butcher to see
the process from beginning to end, he said that way he can show me
exactly what is left over, and I can show him what I want. So far I
have this that I can remember, tails, feet and legs, heads and
tongues, any and all organs, some of the hide ( i know its good for
them, but I ahve to think about freezer room) what ever the people
dont want I can go threw and any big hunk of trim that has good meat
on it. oh yea and back bone. Am I forgeting anything?

Thanks again for the Help everyone

Laura and Ishta

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12a. Re: Pork intolerance?
Posted by: "Gar Dee" gardeen1@yahoo.ca gardeen1
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:39 am ((PDT))

Hi, 1 of my dogs do the same thing after eating pork too ( you need a gas mask). The other 2 are fine with eating every thing . I have been feeding raw for about 4 months now and have had no other problems.

Dee

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