[rawfeeding] Re: Introduction/Sarra

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Sarra <wildlycrafty@...> wrote:

Re:... I remember feeding my Pekingese back in the days when BARF was king. It
> was honestly a pain in the ass, which is why I went back to a "natural"
> kibble when my husband and I got our greys because all the grinding and
> mixing and ingredients were just too much with two big dogs. I
> discovered prey model feeding recently, and it makes sense, but I still
> harbor some of the old BARF ideas, to me prey model seems just too darn
> easy.>
> "What no veggies, no supplements? This can't possibly be balanced!"
> > All y'all who have been feeding prey model for years understand these to
> be basic truths. Those of us who are newer to the process are still
> caught up in the myths. I know it's hard to answer the same question
> hundreds of times, but instead of yelling at the questioner, perhaps
> pointing them to the myth page would be more appropriate. I know I
> don't learn well from sarcasm or when I'm told "because I said so"
> especially by someone I don't know.
>
> Sarra

Ahhh, no wonder I was confused when I got 'slammed' for saying that "a few of us
probably do use frozen food", (quote: "Not on THIS list!" unquote), and my use of
supplements/oils (semi-quote: "not necessary if you follow prey model" )...when I sent a
friendly posting back to Deena the day before....AS I WAS ON THE WRONG WEBSITE!!
I was just swopping between the websites I'm on for my GSD, when I saw that no-one had
replied to Deena's introduction...so I did, hoping to make her feel like she was not alone
here!!
Sorry, yes I have been semi following the updated BARF method....(semi meaning
excluding veges/fruit/wheats etc), thus using supplements/oils (but mainly for Kallys'
genetic problems)...but still like to learn more....so it's to the files I go..hiho, hiho...
I take no offence and give none intentionally...
Teena NZ

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[rawfeeding] Cutting a whole chicken

Hi Giselle

I've just been proactive and found a website spelling out to me how to cut a whole chicken into 10 pieces, so please ignore my request for some instructions {g}.

For anybody else who's interested, it's... http://gourmetsleuth.com/cutupchicken.htm

Cheers and thanks
Lynda (NZ)

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[rawfeeding] Re: feeding raw to 16 lb. Shih Tzu

Hi Lois, I, too, have a 16lb. Shih Tzu but that is because he, too, LOVES raw and my version
of getting it "right' is to give him everything my other 5 dogs eat. They love everything. I
give them pork ribs, beef ribs (a big expensive favorite), lamb, chicken (every single part I
can buy except heads and feet because I think they are gross and I cannot find them to
buy.) Occasionally, when I run out of raw muscle and bone I feed organ meat in oatmeal
(to fill them up) and cut up veggies, especially baby carrots. Now I'm having to cut down
on portions but if your dog is not a fussy eater, go for it. Best Regards.

yomama109 and Bud, the 12yo golden prince cocker, Oliver, the cranky. fat, lazy, forever
cute and lovable shi tzu, Nell, the border collie that defines alpha bitch, Sue, my BC bitch
who actually works, and willy mo and jack, my new miniature aussies who have not been
here long enough to be defined, but I hope will be big in obedience and agility!

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, loiskpost@... wrote:
>
> Hi. When I first started feeding raw, I was feeding my Shih Tzu chicken necks
> and backs and staying away from leg bones, etc, due to advice I'd found
> online. I found myself looking for meatier backs, but had been warned against leg
> bones and wings. What do those of you with small dogs feed them? Should I just
> put down a quarter of a chicken and let Louie go for it? What about pork?
> Beef? He LOVES raw and I'm trying to get it right!
>
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[rawfeeding] Re: Hello new here a minced beef question please? - Lynda

Hi, Lynda!
NPs ; )
Links to pics of cut up chicken parts:
http://www.recipetips.com/kitchen-tips/t--334/chicken-parts.asp
http://missvickie.com/images/chicken_cutup7.jpg
equipment - cutting board, heavy kitchen shears, disposable or
dishwashing gloves, plastic bags for fridge/freezer storage. Open the
bags and 'pop' them so that will they stay open. Put a damp kitchen
towel under the cutting board so that it doesn't slide around.
It helps to have everything set up and in place before you get your
hands icky, otherwise, you're always washing your hands/gloves and
changing them.
Place the chicken on the board with the large cavity facing you.
Cut from the top middle away from you until cut through.
Place your hands on either side of the cut sections and press toward
the cutting board.
Place the shears at the bottom center of the chicken.
Cut away from you until cut through.
Take 1/2 of the chicken and cut through the skin & back between the
breast and leg.
Do the same with the other half.
If you have a large breed puppy, you might want to stop here. If
you've got a smaller pup, keep cutting. : )
Take a breast/wing section and cut the wing off, but take a biggish
chunk of the breast meat with it. You'll have 3 pieces - 1 bony, 2
mostly meaty.
Cut the remaining breast piece in half. 6 pieces so far.
Do the same with the other breast.
Take a leg quarter by the drumstick and flex the joint that connects
it to the thigh.
Cut through the joint.
Flex the thigh and back section, and cut through the joint there, too.
3 pieces - 2 bony, 1 meaty.
Do the same with the other leg quarter. 3 more pieces.
You should have 12 pieces total. 13, if you have the neck, too.
Pull the skin from it, or cut part of it off. You'll also have the
gizzard, heart and liver.
You can store the pieces in bags however you want, depending on the
size of the bags. By meal, by day, enough for a couple days, that
depends on you. Put the gizzard and heart in with the bonier pieces.
Cut the liver up into several pieces and add it to some of the meals, too.
Wa-La, done!
TC
Giselle

> Hi Giselle

> Thank you for your response again. Yes, this makes sense. Thanks
for taking the time to spell it out to me.

> You said ...

> I say ...
>
> I, too am a vegetarian and have been for 21 years. I am very
ignorant of how to cut up a chicken. I read your post offering to
direct Petra how to do this. Would you be so kind ??????? I have
found I don't really have an aversion to meat when it comes to feeding
animals so that's not a problem for me ...... I don't think. I just
don't have the 'know-how'.

> Thanking you
> Lynda (NZ)

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Re: [rawfeeding] Feeding frozen

I have 2 girls and they LOVE their food frozen - Nugget won't even touch a piece of food that isn't frozen solid - Kimber prefers to be frozen, but is happy to eat anything Nugget leaves behind - I haven't had any problems with them eating it this way and we have been feeding RAW for about 3 months - Hope this helps
Tracy & girls

Corey <coreybee78@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm new to the group, but have been feeding my 3 year old Rhodesian
Ridgeback raw since November of last year. I have an odd question. My
girl LOVES her food, like any RR; but she prefers the meat frozen. This
seems a bit strange to me, and I want to know if this is bad, or should
I not be concerned. If the meal is totally defrosted, she chews on it a
bit, and spits everything out(this mostly happens with the chicken
backs and the skin on them). I feed chicken backs, turkey necks, and
pork neck bones.

Thanks

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Re: [rawfeeding] Feeding frozen

Corey,

If she prefers it that way and is doing fine, it's OK...but I hope you are
feeding more than necks and back? Where's the meat and organs?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Corey" <coreybee78@yahoo.com>

I'm new to the group, but have been feeding my 3 year old Rhodesian
Ridgeback raw since November of last year. I have an odd question. My
girl LOVES her food, like any RR; but she prefers the meat frozen. This
seems a bit strange to me, and I want to know if this is bad, or should
I not be concerned. If the meal is totally defrosted, she chews on it a
bit, and spits everything out(this mostly happens with the chicken
backs and the skin on them). I feed chicken backs, turkey necks, and
pork neck bones.

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[rawfeeding] Re: Feeding frozen

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Corey" <coreybee78@...> wrote:
>
>My
> girl LOVES her food, like any RR; but she prefers the meat frozen.

*** If she is a REAL RR, she will eat it how ever you serve it! As
long as it isn't deep freeze tooth breaking frozen when you feed,
feeding frozen is fine.

--Carrie

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[rawfeeding] Feeding frozen

Hello,
I'm new to the group, but have been feeding my 3 year old Rhodesian
Ridgeback raw since November of last year. I have an odd question. My
girl LOVES her food, like any RR; but she prefers the meat frozen. This
seems a bit strange to me, and I want to know if this is bad, or should
I not be concerned. If the meal is totally defrosted, she chews on it a
bit, and spits everything out(this mostly happens with the chicken
backs and the skin on them). I feed chicken backs, turkey necks, and
pork neck bones.

Thanks

Corey Burgess

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[rawfeeding] Re: Stubborn Animals

Hi, Virginia!
I'm not sure how big your dogs are. If they are small/tiny, you can
use a large box to put Fozzy and his food in to eat while in the
kitchen with Moxie. Just be sure people aren't 'peeking' at him. If
they are larger dogs, you could use an appropriately sized expen to
surround Fozzy, and drape the sides with a sheet or towels for privacy.
Tell your daughter that just because she has made a conscious,
reasoned choice not to eat meat, doesn't make her any less than an
omnivore - but it is her choice. But, depriving an animal who's a
carnivore that depends on her for his very life of the meat he needs
for health and life, is a not the same thing at all. She shouldn't be
making that choice for him, neither he nor she can change his physical
nature, nor should she try to deny it. Reassure her that there are
vegetarians on this list that are determined to feed their carnivores
the way nature intended them to eat.
It sounds like you are doing all the right things, congratulations!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

I found out (by accident) that the dogs will eat everything I have out
> if I leave them blocked in the kitchen by themselves for an hour. If
> there are people in & out, Fozzy won't eat. Moxie will, but Fozzy
> apparently wants privacy. It's hard to make sure Fozzy's not eating
> Moxie's food that way, though. I might try to feed them separately for
> a bit until they get more efficient at munching bones.
>
> The ferret has graduated to larger pieces of fish (anchovy), and has
> chewed all of the "flesh" off of a fish head.. I THINK she might have
> eaten the one from last night. I gave her more fish and a duck foot
> tonite. We'll see how she does. She's very excited when I come to her
> cage, now. Unfortunately, her "owner" (my daughter) is a vegetarian
and
> is having a hard time with all of this. :p
>
> The cat. I've now gotten her to eat small pieces of anchovy mixed with
> tuna and egg (put the shell in the mix, too). We'll play with that for
> a bit... increasing meat/decreasing tuna.. see how that goes. At least
> she's eating, and she actually came to me when I put her food down
> tonite. Small successes, but successes.... :)
>
> Thanks, everyone, for the tips and encouragement. :)
>
> Virginia in Milwaukee

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Hello new here a minced beef question please? - Lynda

Hi Giselle

Thank you for your response again. Yes, this makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out to me.

You said ...

So, if you cut up a whole (plucked and gutted) chicken for a tiny pup,
you will have 2 drumsticks, 2 thighs, 2 pieces of back, 6 pieces of
breast (2pc with the wings attached) 1 neck, 1 heart, 1 gizzard and
one liver. All will have varying amounts of bone, but 4 sections of
the breast meat will have very little bone.

I say ...

I, too am a vegetarian and have been for 21 years. I am very ignorant of how to cut up a chicken. I read your post offering to direct Petra how to do this. Would you be so kind ??????? I have found I don't really have an aversion to meat when it comes to feeding animals so that's not a problem for me ...... I don't think. I just don't have the 'know-how'.

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[rawfeeding] Re: Tripe and Yahoo Files

Hi, Mary!
Go to http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/ and sign in.
Upper left in the blue box is the area you're looking for. You can
access the files and photos from there.
Below the "Lets Feed Raw Now!" text from the list owner, the recent
messages are listed. I like to click on the "(Group by Topic)" on the
left, so the messages in one thread are together and not listed in
chronological order. Click on the "(View All)" to have all the topics
listed.
You can search by Key Words or by message number by typing into the
Search box on the right.

Wikipedia says Tripe is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe
Read the bit about Green Tripe, this is what you really want for your dog.
If what you have is human grade tripe, its not as good for them, but
you can cut it up and feed it for chewing activity, not as part of the
diet. Green tripe can be considered part of the diet, but shouldn't be
fed to excess, just as part of the whole prey model ideal.
HTH
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> What is Tripe and how should it be given to our dogs? I bought some
because
> I remember seeing it often on this list. Would someone remind me?
>
> I have tried to find the place on the Yahoo site that I can access
files by
> topic for this group. Someone said they've been reading posts this
way.
> Instead of asking redundant questions, I would like to access info
by topic,
> can anyone give me the steps?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> Mary Smallwood
>

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[rawfeeding] Re: hot spots..new to raw

Hi, Lynn!
Hmmm, ime, hot spots don't generally start between the toes.
If it was one of my Newfy's, who have lots of long hair between their
toes, I would suspect a weed or seed pod that has gotten caught up in
the hairs and worked its way into the skin and caused a sore. This is
one of the reasons its a good idea to keep the feet and toe hair
clipped short, that just makes it easier to check out the feet daily.
Baby scissors make this process less scary.
If this is the case; finding the seed pod, removing it, and washing
and drying the area of the sore will be all that is needed for it to heal.
I wouldn't put anything on the sore, unless it becomes infected. BFI
powder always worked pretty well when I needed to use something. Just
don't put anything like an ointment or salve on it, it should be kept dry.
HTH
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> She just emailed that Buddy developed "hot spots" on his right read
> foot, between two toes last Monday.
Her neighbor uses Gold Bond
> Powder on her Golden for hot spots and swears by it.

> Buddy is long haired, about 95 lbs.
> Any advice for her?
> thanks everyone,
> Lynn Mirassou
>

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[rawfeeding] Re: Is beaver okay?

Cris M wrote:

>The beaver here are much too big for me to toss a whole one in the yard for
>Duncan. Not to mention that I live in the suburbs and the neighbors would
>freak.... Since I will be cutting it up, any suggestions?

This should give you a good idea of how to approach the beast (the typo in
the URL is correct):

>http://www.thehealthybutcher.com/BeekLambPorkComparison.html

>Are there parts
>that a dog would generally leave anyway -- maybe fur or tail? I have
>limited freezer space but would hate to toss the yummiest parts by mistake.

What gets skipped is kind of up to the individual dog, but I definitely think
you should make Duncan his very own beaver hat to commemorate his first!

>http://www.whiteoak.org/learning/furhat.htm

or this guy will do it for you:
>http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/LifesizeArticles/02/l/029E53D49E.html

You could also dine with him:
>http://www.bertc.com/frdbeavtail.htm

Okay, I'll stop.

Lora
Evanston, IL

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[rawfeeding] Re: dry rough coat

I try to feed alot of fat when I have it. My butcher that I get the trimm from is seasonal and the rest of the meat I raise myself or hunt. I can get trout but am trying to find herring or some other cold water fish I can buy in bulk. I run 2 freezers for dog meat so can store quite alot at a time. I have been feeding raw only for two yrs (before that all raw in the winter and k***le is summer when I couldn't get and store enough meat) so the girls have been on most of thier lives, except Trina, 10 weeks before I got her from the breeders. Banshee was born here. Also Trina coughs sometimes in winter and on cool mornings and nights. She is in great shape and keeps herself trim. So I don't know it there is a connection.
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Re: [rawfeeding] Tripe and Yahoo Files

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:25:06 -0400 "Mary" <halle4@comcast.net> writes:
> What is Tripe and how should it be given to our dogs? I bought some
> because
> I remember seeing it often on this list. Would someone remind me?
>

It's the stomach of a ruminant animal, usually a sheep or cow. In
grocery stores they sell it cleaned and bleached for human consumption
(it's used to make menudo I think) but for our pets it's best to feed
"green" tripe which is the unwashed stomach.

> I have tried to find the place on the Yahoo site that I can access
> files by
> topic for this group. Someone said they've been reading posts this
>

Go to the list web site at http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/
There is some information in the Files section which you can access by a
link in a list on the left side of the page. Or you can search through
all the messages using the search box you'll see on the home page or the
Messages page.

Cheers,
Barb Bristol
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[rawfeeding] Re: Hello new here a minced beef question please?

Hi, Petra!

> Giselle...thanks for that. I was hoping I could buy parts of the
> animal without having to actually cut it up myself...It has been
> difficult enough entering the butcher, buying & handling the meat (as
> I said I am vegetarian) but I have been OK with it because I love my
> dog and I am providing him with the proper food. I really don't know
> if I could cut it up myself tho...

**** Sorry, I'm a meat eater, worked in a commercial kitchen for over
20 years and love to cook - I think nothing of cutting up or handling
animal parts. Using disposable latex or plastic gloves (you could
double glove to minimize the 'feel' of the parts) and heavy kitchen
shears would be the easiest way to go if you were to attempt this
yourself. Let me know if you want me to talk you through how to cut a
chicken up easily. ****

> I thought ground mince would be easier but yes I did see in files that
> one protein source should be given for a little while before moving on
> to another.
>
> So could I go to butcher & buy chicken breast, chicken livers &
> chicken thighs rather than cutting up a chicken? And what about minced
> chicken?

**** You could buy the parts separately, but it may be more expensive.
Ground (minced) chicken eliminates the bone from the equation
entirely, and also negates the exercise, muscular and skeletal
development, dental health that happens when a dog crunches and tears
up its own 'prey'. You could buy packages of hearts 'n gizzards, too.
And, there's the effect that happens while the dog is getting the food
into a size where it can send it down the the stomach, the digestive
'juices' begin to flow. Eating ground meat, or kibble, that doesn't
require the dog to do anything but inhale it as fast as possible, will
often find that it gets down there with not enough 'juices' to digest
it, and it may tend to come right back up. ****
TC
Giselle

> Thanks
>
> Petra
>

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[rawfeeding] Re: Hello new here a minced beef question please? - Lynda

Hi, Lynda!
Let me answer this way; if you are feeding as close to whole prey
model raw as you can, you will buy a whole chicken and be feeding all
the parts, including the organs until gone. Ideally, this would be a
complete whole chicken, head to feet, ungutted, but a lot of us can't
manage that, for one reason or another.
So, if you cut up a whole (plucked and gutted) chicken for a tiny pup,
you will have 2 drumsticks, 2 thighs, 2 pieces of back, 6 pieces of
breast (2pc with the wings attached) 1 neck, 1 heart, 1 gizzard and
one liver. All will have varying amounts of bone, but 4 sections of
the breast meat will have very little bone.
I recommended to Petra to alternate bony parts with bits of organ and
meatymeat parts to avoid either having dry, crumbly hard to pass
stools, or runny, sloppy too frequent stools.
Feeding as much a variety of different protein sources and variety of
animal parts over time tries to mimic as much as possible the whole
prey for those of us who cannot obtain real whole prey.
Technically, heart and gizzards are organ, but are rich and meaty, so
most people feed them as meatymeat.
I personally would not recommend buying chicken carcasses (frames)
especially stripped ones, as they aren't worth the price you are
paying for them, or feeding, as they are much too bony.
If you feed edible bone every meal, the percentage of bone to meat &
organs will be artificially high. While each prey animal naturally has
a different percentage of bone to meat & organ ratio, a lot of us use
the general "rule of thumb" of 80% meat (including skin,hide,fat,
connective tissue, etc.) 10% bone & 10% organs (liver being only 2-5%)
as 'the norm' to aim for. So, since bone is a much smaller part of the
whole diet, it stands to reason that some meals will consist of only
meatymeat.
Don't think RMBs, (raw meaty bones) as the ideal diet, think, how can
I obtain either whole prey, or mimic whole prey over time?
Let us know if you have other questions.
TC, and NPs
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hi Giselle & Petra
>
> Excuse me for jumping in on this one. I have a puppy of same age
and onto day 3 of raw. I found your advice Giselle in this post close
to where I am now. However I have been wondering whether I need to
feed a bony chicken piece every meal (he is on 3 meals). You say to
alternate a bony meal with a meat meal. Do you mean the meat meal has
no bone? If so what do we give him if we're still in the introductory
stage of chicken. Excuse me if I have missed something blatantly
obvious.
>
> Also in your opinion do the chicken frames (bought at supermarket)
have sufficient meat on them to make them a bone meal? I bought
several of these as they are cheap and then realized that they don't
have huge amounts of flesh.
>
> Are chicken giblets a meat or an organ?
>
> Thanks if you can answer this. Much appreciated.
>
> Lynda (NZ)

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[rawfeeding] Re: Alarmed...

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Autumn Adan <autumn_adan@...> wrote:
>
> However, tonight, as I was feeding Gavin, our husky - he dropped
> a large piece of a chicken back & Molly, my 23 lb beagle, snapped
> it up and swallowed it whole!

I wouldn't worry. If it made it to her stomach, which it appears it
did, it should digest ok.

Bill Carnes
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Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
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Re: [rawfeeding] Stubborn Animals

He's eating chicken again. He passed on the duck foot tonite, though.
The puppy ate his. Big baby.. :p

I found out (by accident) that the dogs will eat everything I have out
if I leave them blocked in the kitchen by themselves for an hour. If
there are people in & out, Fozzy won't eat. Moxie will, but Fozzy
apparently wants privacy. It's hard to make sure Fozzy's not eating
Moxie's food that way, though. I might try to feed them separately for
a bit until they get more efficient at munching bones.

The ferret has graduated to larger pieces of fish (anchovy), and has
chewed all of the "flesh" off of a fish head.. I THINK she might have
eaten the one from last night. I gave her more fish and a duck foot
tonite. We'll see how she does. She's very excited when I come to her
cage, now. Unfortunately, her "owner" (my daughter) is a vegetarian and
is having a hard time with all of this. :p

The cat. I've now gotten her to eat small pieces of anchovy mixed with
tuna and egg (put the shell in the mix, too). We'll play with that for
a bit... increasing meat/decreasing tuna.. see how that goes. At least
she's eating, and she actually came to me when I put her food down
tonite. Small successes, but successes.... :)

Thanks, everyone, for the tips and encouragement. :)

Virginia in Milwaukee

anjumdanielle wrote:
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>
>
> Hi Virginia - my dog doesn't like chicken either. We started w/
> chicken when I switched him in Feb, but he never was enthusiastic
> about it. I probably only waited about a week until I started trying
> other things, and just like your situation, after he had pork & beef,
> he didn't want chicken again. 3 days seems to be his limit too -
> he'd refuse chicken for 3 days before giving in. Interesting side
> note: I recently found out he hates rabbit more than anything, so
> after refusing rabbit for 5 days, I gave him chicken for 2 days & he
> actually ate it! He still doesn't really like it, and he eats other
> stuff, so I don't get to worked up over it, but sometimes all that's
> out is chicken!
>
> About the cat - they are notoriously stubborn! There are a lot of
> sneaky (& not so sneaky) ways to get them to try a little. I can't
> recall, but have you posted in the RawCat group? It's great for
> helping stubborn kitties!
>
> HTH - Anjum

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Bully Sticks

I always throw the bully stick away when they get to small just so they don't
have the chance to swallow them.
Theresa

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
"Mary" <halle4@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what they think about Bully Sticks? They have
been great
> treats for my dogs, wondering how they would fit into the raw diet.
*****
They're treats. Treats can be most anything that the dog really likes
that doesn't cause or exacerbate health issues. If treats start
dominating the diet, it's time for to examine the menu. Otherwise,
give your dog a bully stick (as large a one as you can afford) and
monitor progress if the dog is one that tends to get impatient towards
the end and is inclined to try to swallow the remains and be done with
it.

I would recommend against sticks from anywhere but the USofA and I
suggest you avoid fancified sticks with smoke or bbq flavor.

Properly supervised, I'd rather see a dog working on a bully stick than
a femur.
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[rawfeeding] Tripe and Yahoo Files

What is Tripe and how should it be given to our dogs? I bought some because
I remember seeing it often on this list. Would someone remind me?

I have tried to find the place on the Yahoo site that I can access files by
topic for this group. Someone said they've been reading posts this way.
Instead of asking redundant questions, I would like to access info by topic,
can anyone give me the steps?

Thank you!

Mary Smallwood

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Whole chicken (cut up) .48/lb - Milwaukee, WI

Have you been to Noerenberg on the northwest side? That's where I
started, they have great prices on all the "bony" stuff - carcasses,
necks, etc... I have a product listing, but it doesn't have prices on it
so I have to call them.. just haven't gotten to it yet. I'm thinking
that may be my best bet, but so far have mostly been picking stuff up at
El Rey or the Asian grocery (duck heads, anyone?)

I was hoping my post would flush out someone local.. :p Maybe if enough
of us get together, we could start a coop? I'm on the local BARF list,
too, but they seem to spend a lot of time discussing the merits of
premade ground food. <shrug>

Virginia in Milwaukee

mmmm5202 wrote:
> Thanks Virginia. I'm having a hard time finding good deals since Pick
> N Save's competitors left. I'm getting a lot of food from UW Provision
> in Madison. Inconvenient, but great prices.
>
> Wendy
>
>
>
>
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[rawfeeding] Re: Introduction - Chris O

"tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:

> Are you sure you're talking about cats? That so sounds like my dog
> before
> we found raw........Now he's a happy little pig, lol.
*****
Carol, you gotta watch the crowd your dog hangs out with!
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[rawfeeding] Re: Bully Sticks

"Mary" <halle4@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what they think about Bully Sticks? They have
been great
> treats for my dogs, wondering how they would fit into the raw diet.
*****
They're treats. Treats can be most anything that the dog really likes
that doesn't cause or exacerbate health issues. If treats start
dominating the diet, it's time for to examine the menu. Otherwise,
give your dog a bully stick (as large a one as you can afford) and
monitor progress if the dog is one that tends to get impatient towards
the end and is inclined to try to swallow the remains and be done with
it.

I would recommend against sticks from anywhere but the USofA and I
suggest you avoid fancified sticks with smoke or bbq flavor.

Properly supervised, I'd rather see a dog working on a bully stick than
a femur.
Chris O

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: YAY... Mom bought us chicken feet ! _ Lora

Chicken feets are the BEST!

I'm still trying to capture a picture of when he carries 3-4 backwards..
with the toes sticking outta his mouth.

Denise

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[rawfeeding] Re: I really need some advice and help with this - Casey

"Casey Post" <mikken@...> wrote:
> That's what we're here for. That and the donuts. Great virtual
> donuts...mmmm, any flavor you can imagine and no calories...a tangy
lemon
> with cream cheese icing...
>
> Casey (going back for seconds on the virtual donuts!)
*****
All part of the Air Diet, and free to boot. So good and so good for
you. Come on in, set a spell...and hey! Have another donut.

Chris O

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[PHISH] [rawfeeding] Re: Fish Oil Caps?

"AM Harlow" <acinny@...> wrote:
They also contain only fish oil
> concentrate from Anchovy, Mackeral, & Sardine and gelatin.
*****
These are common "also ran" high O3 fish, and they're very
appropriate to a raw diet. SO gets top billing because it's a single-
source product; this reliance on one fish also cranks up the price.
My dogs seem to do as well on a multi-fish oil as they do on SO.

They are GLUTEN
> FREE which is one of the main reasons I chose them since as we all
know it
> was gluten that was contaminated with melamine in regular dog & cat
foods
*****
It was gluten meal, rice, wheat, corn. I've never seen gluten in a
fish oil, but I suppose it might happen--gluten is a cheap source of
protein, fish oil is fat.

What I am on the lookout to avoid is SOY. There is no need for soy
into any a doG's chilluns.
Chris O

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[rawfeeding] Re: Whole chicken (cut up) .48/lb - Milwaukee, WI

Thanks Virginia. I'm having a hard time finding good deals since Pick
N Save's competitors left. I'm getting a lot of food from UW Provision
in Madison. Inconvenient, but great prices.

Wendy

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