[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12128

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
From: Giselle

2a. Re: my visit to the vet
From: esmolensky
2b. Re: my visit to the vet
From: Giselle
2c. Re: my visit to the vet
From: T Smith

3a. Re: quarters turn into thighs and drumsticks
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: swallowed wing bone
From: carnesbill

5. BOWEL DISTRESS - MOLLY
From: miensasis

6a. Re: First Week
From: carnesbill

7a. Re: A good raw-inspired chew?
From: esmolensky

8a. Re: Naturally "processed" food
From: carolejc2007

9a. Re: there's no denying the evidence! I t really works!!
From: Marisa

10a. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
From: ibjef1f

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1a. Re: {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 9:15 pm ((PDT))

"Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...> wrote:
what if you made poster/flyers - like the
> ones that you see the people wanting to sell something and they
have their
> name and number down at the bottome of the page on littl cut outs!
*****
Freecycle's posting rules however draconic offer an initial level of
safety that posters and flyers do not. I personally would not want
to post my telehone number for the world to read. No question
though, it's an individual decision.

> Something like at the groomers and vets offices?
*****
I imagine both of these businesses might be strongly anti-raw and
would have a zillion PITA reasons why such a poster would not be
acceptable. If you know the vet or groomer wis amenable though, it
might just play.
Chris O

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1b. Re: {Raw Feeding} An idea on how to get meat - brainstorming?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 9:54 pm ((PDT))

Brandi, why not place a free ad in your local 'swapper' paper?
TC
Giselle

> "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@> wrote:
> what if you made poster/flyers - like the
> > ones that you see the people wanting to sell something and they
> have their
> > name and number down at the bottome of the page on littl cut outs!

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2a. Re: my visit to the vet
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 9:20 pm ((PDT))

What I don't get is how can raw feeding not make any sense to them.
Many people have snakes for pets but they don't feed it snake food.
Unless a pet company decides to make it and tell consumers that snakes
need carbs also.
> I realize they don't get any useful nutritional education and are
clueless
> and fearful when it comes to feeding raw, but they *could* as least
stick to
> the facts, couldn't they?????
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "esmolensky" <esmolensky@...>
>
>
> She then asked my what I fed him. I told her he is on a
> raw diet. As soon as I said that she started huffing and
> puffing(literally)
> to a point that she was breathing hard, I acually thought she was
> going to have a heart attack in front of me. She steeped out of the
> room to get a glass of water and came back giving me the whole shpiel
> on a balanced diet, the extreme need for carbs and of course
> salmonella bacterias.
>

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2b. Re: my visit to the vet
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 9:59 pm ((PDT))

Thing is, you can't fool a snake or reptile. Some herps won't even eat
dead food.

So, unless you load a prey animal or cricket or meal worm up with
carbs, there's no way to get them to eat it.
TC
Giselle

> What I don't get is how can raw feeding not make any sense to them.
> Many people have snakes for pets but they don't feed it snake food.
> Unless a pet company decides to make it and tell consumers that snakes
> need carbs also.
> > I realize they don't get any useful nutritional education and are
> clueless
> > and fearful when it comes to feeding raw, but they *could* as least
> stick to
> > the facts, couldn't they?????
> >
> > Sandee & the Dane Gang

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2c. Re: my visit to the vet
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 2:10 am ((PDT))

I wouldn't have laughed, I would have made it clear her rude behaviour if
unacceptabl & to not tell me what to do with my pets. I bring them to the
vet for care, not to be lectured on their personal beliefs.
My vet doesn't know what I feed yet but if he had such a tude with me, my
thousands of dollars would be going elsewhere.
I have special needs dogs & alot of expenses for them so my vet best listen
to me because I am paying them to care for my pets medical care, not to sell
me food. :-)
Trina
--
Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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3a. Re: quarters turn into thighs and drumsticks
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 10:00 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <jerseykev@...> wrote:
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> May I please have your approval.

I'm not sure whose permission you are seeking but since you quoted my
post, if you are wanting my permission, you have it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: swallowed wing bone
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 2:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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>
> Spencer, my hoover dog of avocado pit fame, inhaled the thick
> end of a
> chicken wing...whole.

Most likely it'll digest ok. I wouldn't worry for a few days.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5. BOWEL DISTRESS - MOLLY
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 2:10 am ((PDT))

Andrea, Bill, and ~g~,

Thank you all SO MUCH for your quick and very helpful feedback on
Molly. She is doing much better. I have not fed her at all today and
will try a little chicken with bone tomorrow morning. I will heed your
advice to slow down and stick with the chicken and bone for a long
while before introducing other types of meat and organs. I was raw
feeding for a week when I happened to find this list. Since joining
I've been reading the posts very closely. I saw that the
recommendation was to start slow...but since I had already started and
introduced those 3 different meals and my dogs seemed to be tolerating
them (at least until yesterday) I figured that they were safe. Molly
sure proved differently, now didn't she?!

Molly, Riley and I thank you. What a comfort to know you are all here
to provide sound advice and guidance.

Nancy

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6a. Re: First Week
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 2:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rlayt" <rlayt@...> wrote:
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> I found a deal on Tyson antibiotic and hormone free chicken
> so I've been chopping away!

All chicken is hormone free and 99%+ are antibiotic free. You aren't
getting something special like you think you are. Maybe going back to
whole generic chickens with "innards" would be more efficient.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7a. Re: A good raw-inspired chew?
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 2:13 am ((PDT))

I use bully sticks sometimes. I thought they would be the answer for
my pups chewing needs but no luck on that. He's an 8mos. boerboel at a
100#. It takes him about 3 minutes to chew a 12" stick.
If you want cheap ones PETCENTERDIRECT.COM is a good choice. Buy as
many as you can and save on shipping. Their sticks cost about $2 but
shipping to MD is $6. So I bought 30 of them for the same shipping price.
I am trying to find deer antlers but so far they're about $14 and
that's just way too much.

E & Reagan
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Kathie Middlemiss <geekgirl717@>
> wrote:
>
> > Anyone use bully sticks?
>

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8a. Re: Naturally "processed" food
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 4:30 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Carol Dunster <cedunster@...> wrote:
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> I had to laugh thinking about all the things we start to worry about
> our dogs eating... I have both dogs and ducks. When I bring my dogs
> into the house for their meal, I turn the ducks out in the big back
> yard to graze a bit. Later, I put them up and let the dogs back out.
>
> It would seem that my dogs DO like to eat "processed" vegetable matter
> after all! Ewwww!
>
> Seriously, I have to wonder if wolves or dogs in the wild eat all the
> poop that domestic dogs do? My dogs have always wanted to eat pretty
> much any sort of poop they could get, is this part of a "natural" diet
> for a dog? Is there any research out there about that?
>
> Sorry if this is off topic, but I want to find out what you all know
> about natural doggie diets. :)
>
> ~ Carol
> _____________
> Carol Dunster
> cedunster@...
>

Carol ~

I take it your dogs like duck poo? Well it must taste good then! [:D]

Seriously, I cannot comment on whether or not this is part of a dog's
"natural diet" but my Vet always told me it would not harm them.

I have a dog who ate poo. She would literally follow my other dog
around the yard, wait for her to poo and then immediately eat it. Gross
yes, I agree. [:-&] I kept me from cleaning up somuch poo in the
yard though! However, to attest to the miracles of the raw diet, ever
since I switched my dogs over to raw, she doesn't eat poo anymore! I
truly believe that this is another visiable fact of how poorly suited
dog ki**le is to our dogs. I LOVE RAW!!! [=D>]

Carole (Mom of 2 Greyhounds and 2 Italian Greys)

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9a. Re: there's no denying the evidence! I t really works!!
Posted by: "Marisa" mrsdog_lover@yahoo.com mrsdog_lover
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 4:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...>
wrote:
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> Yup. Yup!
>
> See, it DOES matter what you feed your dogs, and the form you feed
it! ^_^
>
> I hope you made your husband smell your dog's nasty breath, too! ; )
>
> How he could not object to the reek and appearance of cr*p-in-a-can
> instead of to nice clean fresh frozen raw meat and bones?
>
> Marisa, if there's a next time for hubby having to feed your dogs,
you
> could plan raw meals and package them in a way that would make it
easy
> for him, so he wouldn't have the touch the 'icky stuff'.
>
> 1) Bag meals individually for each dog. This way, he only has to
dump
> the portion out in front of the dog, not touch it.
>
> 2) Label them with each dog's name, date and time of day to feed.
>
> 3) Give him the option to feed frozen, partially frozen, meatless or
> ground meals.
>
> 4) If you don't already, teach the dogs to eat on an old towel or
> blanket. your hubby can put these down in their eating places, then
> fold them up for later use. No 'dog dishes' or clean up!
>
> 5) Don't plan to have him feed organs or other items he might find
> 'icky'. A few days, or even a few weeks, of not eating organs won't
> harm the dogs.
>
> TC
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey

Yes Giselle, you are perfectly right!!
I will do from now on, the problem was that in this occasion, it was
an EMERGENCY ADMISSION in the hospital, and i didn't have time to buy
other food and make the portions to facilitate my hubby, but i did
show him my dogs TEETH, and he had the same face of DISGUST as
before!!!...HA-HA.HA!!!

marisa

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10a. Re: Raw and ethical/animal cruelty concerns
Posted by: "ibjef1f" ibjef1f@yahoo.com ibjef1f
Date: Sat Oct 6, 2007 6:03 am ((PDT))

-
Kristin,

Great point. I was already aware and agree fully. I would point out
however, that there are those who would disagree. Of course, not from
this list, but from those who feed as I once fed. I'm refering to
vegetarian ki**le for dogs. Before I was fortunate enough to find this
list, I used that. I thought I was being ethical and providing adequate
nutrition. It is reported in the AR community that dogs do well on a
veg diet. I have long since left that camp, and although I hold true to
many of the philosophies, I had to do the right thing for my dog's
needs, and alter my ways. Having been witness to the numerous positive
results, I will never go back! It's like a fog has lifted. It's so
clear now.
Not to ramble, but I want to thank all the moderators and the list
veterans for all your patience and efforts to all of us newer people. I
have been quietly monitoring and absorbing info like a sponge. You have
been a positive influence for many of us.

Thanks,
Jef

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "girlndocs" <girlndocs@...> wrote:
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> I sympathize entirely with those who are concerned or conflicted about
> supporting the commercial meat industry by buying meat for their dogs.
>
> The point has already been made on this list that by buying kibble we
> would be supporting the exact same industry, only getting lower
> quality and less appropriate food for our pets as a result of "selling
> our souls".
>

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