[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12286
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1.1. Re: Chicken Backs
From: Andrea
1.2. Re: Chicken Backs
From: MORGAN LEWIS
1.3. Re: Chicken Backs
From: T Smith
2. Re: Is This the "Right" Chicken?
From: Kathryn Chapman
3a. Is this Correct?
From: totaly_his
3b. Re: Is this Correct?
From: Andrea
3c. Re: Is this Correct?
From: MORGAN LEWIS
3d. Re: Is this Correct?
From: costrowski75
3e. Re: Is this Correct?
From: katkellm
4a. Re: arthritis
From: jennifer_hell
5a. Hi everyone, new here, dalmatian puppy...
From: lorna_ljh
5b. Re: Hi everyone, new here, dalmatian puppy...
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: Hi everyone, new here, dalmatian puppy...
From: Andrea
6a. salmon
From: autumn
6b. Re: salmon
From: Andrea
7a. Re: Cutting up whole turkeys
From: Mary Tinder
8a. Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
From: Darren
8b. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
From: Daisy Foxworth
8c. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
From: Tina Berry
8d. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
From: costrowski75
8e. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
From: Yasuko herron
9a. Re: Small bones in rectum
From: junmollmom
10a. Re: Dehydrated liver versus fresh
From: Anna Labriola
11a. Re: Deer bones
From: Tracey Gale
11b. Re: Deer bones
From: Tracey Gale
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1.1. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:07 am ((PST))
I don't recommend chicken necks unless you have a teeny tiny dog and
add adequate meat to the party. Chicken necks are the perfect size for
stupid eating and scary choking episodes.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michelle Sharpe
<michelledearden@...> wrote:
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> What is every ones views on chicken necks? Do they have the same
> meat bone ratio?
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1.2. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:29 am ((PST))
Personally I like Turkey necks much better.Morgan
Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com> wrote: I don't recommend chicken necks unless you have a teeny tiny dog and
add adequate meat to the party. Chicken necks are the perfect size for
stupid eating and scary choking episodes.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michelle Sharpe
<michelledearden@...> wrote:
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> What is every ones views on chicken necks? Do they have the same
> meat bone ratio?
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1.3. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:37 pm ((PST))
I feed turkey necks daily with 4 of my dogs *because* I am learning every
dog is different & 4 of mine battle runny poo otherwise. My solution was to
add turkey or chicken necks daily & their stool firms up. They just have
sensitive tummies compared to my others who don't seem to have those
issues. We haven't wandered much out of the chicken range but on occasion
we will. Mostly though I am still feeding chicken & plan to keep it as the
primary meat because of the availability & they are doing ok with it. I
have given just meat meals to my Lhasas & they seemed ok with it. The giant
ones do not do well on it at all, so in time we will get it but we are still
new & luckily i have a mentor who has explained alot to me & helped me along
the way!
Trina
On Nov 16, 2007 7:07 AM, Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't recommend chicken necks unless you have a teeny tiny dog and
> add adequate meat to the party. Chicken necks are the perfect size for
> stupid eating and scary choking episodes.
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> Andrea
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2. Re: Is This the "Right" Chicken?
Posted by: "Kathryn Chapman" paintedgoatfarm@yahoo.com paintedgoatfarm
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:18 am ((PST))
As a person researching celiac disease (a gluten intolerance) I have found we are warned to not consume self basting turkeys and meat broths unless they are designated gluten free. This means there may be a grain source in them. If you contact the company they should be able to tell you (if you have to fudge a bit and say you have an allergy and need to know before buying thier product).
Hope this helps,
Kathryn
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3a. Is this Correct?
Posted by: "totaly_his" totaly_his@yahoo.com totaly_his
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:18 am ((PST))
I think that I have been feeding my new rawfed dog too much. She is a 6 yr old JR that weighs
30#'s. I actually went to the store (instead of guessing like I have been) to buy a food scale.
My calculation is that I should be feeding her 0.6 pounds daily. I calculated 2% of 30# equals
0.6. Is that 0.6 ounces or pounds? I weighed 1 chicken thigh and it weighed 0.8 ounces.
Does that mean that she only gets 1 thigh a day? That doesn't seem like enough food. WOW,
I was guessing earlier and I had been feeding her 2-3 pieces a day. Is this correct? I never
was good in math. I'm not trying to be perfect but my guessing was wayyyy off. She had
some stomach upset and someone mentioned earlier in a post that to make sure I wasn't
feeding her too much so I re-evaluated. I need a "pro" to set me straight. Thanks Jackie
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3b. Re: Is this Correct?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:45 am ((PST))
If 30lbs is the ideal adult weight then you would shoot for about .6
pounds, which would be 9.6 oz if I'm converting correctly. So
generally about half a pound. If you go to the store and get a 2.5lb
chicken, each quarter will be about a day's worth of food. Hope that
helps.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:
> My calculation is that I should be feeding her 0.6 pounds daily. I
> calculated 2% of 30# equals 0.6. Is that 0.6 ounces or pounds? I
> weighed 1 chicken thigh and it weighed 0.8 ounces. Does that mean
> that she only gets 1 thigh a day? That doesn't seem like enough
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3c. Re: Is this Correct?
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:05 am ((PST))
that is .6 pounds. he,he poor starving doggy. Morgan
totaly_his <totaly_his@yahoo.com> wrote: I think that I have been feeding my new rawfed dog too much. She is a 6 yr old JR that weighs
30#'s. I actually went to the store (instead of guessing like I have been) to buy a food scale.
My calculation is that I should be feeding her 0.6 pounds daily. I calculated 2% of 30# equals
0.6. Is that 0.6 ounces or pounds? I weighed 1 chicken thigh and it weighed 0.8 ounces.
Does that mean that she only gets 1 thigh a day? That doesn't seem like enough food. WOW,
I was guessing earlier and I had been feeding her 2-3 pieces a day. Is this correct? I never
was good in math. I'm not trying to be perfect but my guessing was wayyyy off. She had
some stomach upset and someone mentioned earlier in a post that to make sure I wasn't
feeding her too much so I re-evaluated. I need a "pro" to set me straight. Thanks Jackie
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3d. Re: Is this Correct?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:07 am ((PST))
"totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:
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> I think that I have been feeding my new rawfed dog too much. She is
a 6 yr old JR that weighs
> 30#'s. I actually went to the store (instead of guessing like I
have been) to buy a food scale.
> My calculation is that I should be feeding her 0.6 pounds daily.
*****
Yes, .6 pounds is 2% of 30 pounds. If your JR is looking good on
that amount, then you're not overfeeding. If she is a pudgette, you
can consider several things:
-reduce intake
-reduce fat intake
-increase exercise
-check thyroid
I calculated 2% of 30# equals
> 0.6. Is that 0.6 ounces or pounds?
*****
It's pounds.
If you START the equation with pounds, you will END with pounds.
If you START with ounces, you will END with ounces. It doesn't
magically convert all by itself, midstream.
So .6lb is a smidgeon over half a pound, or--if you need to converse
with your scale--9.6 ounces.
I weighed 1 chicken thigh and it weighed 0.8 ounces.
> Does that mean that she only gets 1 thigh a day?
*****
I seriously doubt a chicken thigh weighs less than one ounce. My
guess is you mean .8lb and yes, if that's the case and you feed the
same amount every day, one chicken thigh would do it for the kid.
That doesn't seem like enough food.
*****
It's not much but if you want to feed .6lb a day, then it's the right
amount.
I recommend you not worry about daily amounts and think more about
weekly intake. That way one day you can feed your girl bigger food
than she would "normally" get, and feed a smaller meal the next day
to "compensate" for the previous day's bounty.
WOW,
> I was guessing earlier and I had been feeding her 2-3 pieces a day.
*****
If it's your desire to feed her once a day and feed the same amount
of food every day, yes, you were feeding much more than the numbers
recommend.
Perhaps if you thought "4 pounds A WEEK" instead of .6 pounds A DAY,
you'd have it easier at mealtime. Consider assembling a 4lb tub or
bag or pile of food--all the food you'd be feeding in one week--then
feeding through that pile all week (however you want to distribute
it) so that at the end of the week, the pile's gone. That way you
only have to fuss with the numbers once a week AND your girl gets to
rassle with larger pieces than a single lonely chicken thigh.
I never
> was good in math. I'm not trying to be perfect but my guessing was
wayyyy off.
*****
It's not as important to know the "math" as it is to know your dog.
If she's getting fat, you're feeding too much or she's not getting
enough exercise. If she's looking leaner and more lanky than a JR
ought to look, you can most likely increase meal size.
And yes, digestive distress (including loose stools) can result from
too much food. Probably the most common cause of loose stools is not
bacteria or disease but plain old too much food.
Chris O
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3e. Re: Is this Correct?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:47 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:
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> I think that I have been feeding my new rawfed dog too much.
Hi Jackie,
For sure, you have been feeding too much food. I remember your
earlier post and that much food would certainly account for her having
loose stools after a couple of weeks on chicken. Since you bought a
scale, if you weigh your food for a while till you learn to eyeball
the amounts better, i think you'll be able to post back and tell us
that the problem has been solved. Remember to hold off on the organs
for a while, too. KathyM
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4a. Re: arthritis
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:18 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kkellogg22004" <kkellogg22004@...>
wrote:
I understand that vitamins and other supplements
> are not needed when feeding this way, since dogs are getting complete
> nutrition.
Oops- I answered on the wrong spot the first time.
The above applies for dogs without chronic problems like arthritis.I
had to experiment for a few months until I got my girl painfree. The
arthritis info on dogaware.com was what helped me find the right
stuff. It's different for every dog. Mine is pain free with 1000mg
ester-c, 1400Gluc/1200Chondr.(forgot how much MSM), 500mg DLPA and
salmon oil daily (55lb pitbull girl).
Jennifer
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5a. Hi everyone, new here, dalmatian puppy...
Posted by: "lorna_ljh" lorna.haddon@gmail.com lorna_ljh
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:05 am ((PST))
Hi all,
This is a great group. I have been thinking about going raw for a
while, he hates kibble and I refuse to feed cans.
Unfortunately, I do not yet know enough about it to go over to the
other side so to speak hee hee!
I have bought him some chicken wings and he is going to one later to
see how he likes it.
Can someone please give me a rough idea of what I should be feeding
him, he is 4 and a half months old, will be 5 months on the 24th of
this month.
Any rough estimate of quantities or a guide to where I should go to
look for such advice?
Dalmatians cannot have too much protein in their diets as they are
prone to kidney stones and urinary tract infections.
Thanks all,
Kind regards,
Lorna (and spotty dog Icon) xx
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5b. Re: Hi everyone, new here, dalmatian puppy...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:19 am ((PST))
"lorna_ljh" <lorna.haddon@...> wrote:
>> Can someone please give me a rough idea of what I should be feeding
> him, he is 4 and a half months old, will be 5 months on the 24th of
> this month.
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I recommend you take a few days to browse the list archives. Even
though Yahoo continues to nibble away at the tail end of our archives,
there are thousands of questions just like yours and a multitude of
answers. Even questions and answers about Dals. To get to the
archives/rawfeeding home page you need to join Yahoogroups if you
haven't already. It's easy, it's peasy. There should be a link to
Groups at the bottom on each rawfeeding email you receive. Once you've
found the home page, click on "messages" and enter a search word or
phrase.
Additionally, I suggest you check out:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net
Absolutely I am not fooling when I can you can get all your questions
answered through the archives. You probably won't want to browse that
intensely which of course is fine, but you should give a whirl.
Chris O
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5c. Re: Hi everyone, new here, dalmatian puppy...
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:44 am ((PST))
"lorna_ljh" <lorna.haddon@...> wrote:
> I have been thinking about going raw for a while, he hates kibble
Smart little pup you have there! I don't have a dalmation, but
everyone thinks my GSP mix is one.
> Unfortunately, I do not yet know enough about it to go over to the
> other side so to speak hee hee!
Pish posh, there really isn't a lot to know when you start. We
recommend you choose one protein source and stick with it for at
least a week so you and the pup can adjust to the new feeding style.
During that week you can do some reading here and you'll be good to
go in no time. Chicken is generally the starter protein since it is
so cheap and easy to get a hold of.
> I have bought him some chicken wings and he is going to one later to
> see how he likes it.
Wings by themselves aren't always the best starting food. Some dogs
aren't too impressed by the lack of meat, or on the flipside they
might be so overjoyed by the real food that they try to swallow it
whole. If you get a whole chicken and cut it into quarters you'll be
on the right track.
> Can someone please give me a rough idea of what I should be feeding
> him, he is 4 and a half months old, will be 5 months on the 24th of
> this month.
At that age I imagine he can dispatch a chicken quite easily. After
he has acclimated to chicken you can go on to pork, beef, rabbit,
goat, lamb, the sky is the limit. Of course, you'll want to
introduce each new protein slowly to allow him to adjust to digesting
it.
> Any rough estimate of quantities or a guide to where I should go to
> look for such advice?
Depending on how big his parents were you'll probably be feeding
about a pound a day. I'd probably feed him twice a day for now. As
you go along let his appearance tell you if he needs more or less
food. You want to keep the puppy lean, so that you can see the last
two ribs.
> Dalmatians cannot have too much protein in their diets as they are
> prone to kidney stones and urinary tract infections.
I'm not super well versed on this subject, so I hope Trina or someone
else with a raw fed Dal will jump in here. I do know that raw food
is highly digestable and many pets that had problems to UTI's and
kidney stones get better with a species appropriate diet. Besides,
raw food is mostly water, so as fed the protein levels aren't high at
all.
Hope this helps you get started, feel free to ask any questions you
think of.
Andrea
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6a. salmon
Posted by: "autumn" autumnji@aol.com jayagurumayi
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:29 am ((PST))
over a year ago i recieved a bag of farm raised salmon
which i have had in the freezer.
i'd like to feed it to my chi and maybe to myself
as well.
should i worry about antibiotics or any other toxin?
autumn
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6b. Re: salmon
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:47 am ((PST))
Nope, it will be good protein variety for your pup.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "autumn" <autumnji@...> wrote:
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> over a year ago i recieved a bag of farm raised salmon
> which i have had in the freezer.
<snip>
> should i worry about antibiotics or any other toxin?
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7a. Re: Cutting up whole turkeys
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:29 am ((PST))
I recently got a great deal on Turkey. I used my recipricating saw
AKA "SawsAll" to cut portions up for the little dogs. I've only tried
this on frozen meat. Goes thru it like butter! My butcher/neighbor
suggested this to me knowing I'm a Tool Girl. Outside/garage job.
Dogs like to clean up the shavings.
Mary T
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8a. Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
Posted by: "Darren" dkrywiak@telus.net dkrywiak
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:05 am ((PST))
My question revolves around fruits and veggies. Some say yes and some
say no, so I am wondering if feeding fruits and veggies is bad? I
usually feed carrots, brocolli, yams, turnip, apples, cranberries, etc.
I also add garlic, kelp, oil, as well as yogurt, sour cream or cottage
cheese to the mix. They get this with cooked oatmeal in the morning and
their meat in the evening which is chicken neck, backs, pork, fish,
etc. I found a butcher who gives us all his pork scraps free. He is
doing a moose this weekend so we will get all the scraps from that as
well. I guess I just want to make sure I am on the right track. Thanks
for the help.
Darren
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8b. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:17 am ((PST))
Hi Darren, this is more of what we would consider to be the right
track, LOL:
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/Recipes
You are making it FAR too complicated and have added a bunch of stuff
your dog (I assume) does not need and may have trouble digesting. If
the dog can't digest it, then he isn't getting the maximum nutrition
that he might from a meal. Stick to animal-based products and don't
cook anything. Add some FISH body oil (you don't say what kind of
oil) if the meat is not range fed.
Daisy
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8c. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:35 am ((PST))
"I usually feed carrots, brocolli, yams, turnip, apples, cranberries, etc. I
also add garlic, kelp, oil, as well as yogurt, sour cream or cottage cheese
to the mix. They get this with cooked oatmeal in the morning and their meat
in the evening which is chicken neck, backs, pork, fish, etc."
This all sounds yummy; I would not feed grain - most common allergy is grain
allergies. Dogs do not need fruits, veggies or grain - I do feed fish oild
for the coats. None of the above is "bad", just not needed. Dairy can
also be an allergy related food - so I don't recommend dairy or grains.
They get the needed calcium from bones if you are feeding a prey model diet
which is roughly 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organs which is what most of us
feed. I throw in a daily raw egg and fish oil is the only extra I feed.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
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8d. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:36 am ((PST))
"Darren" <dkrywiak@...> wrote:
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> My question revolves around fruits and veggies. Some say yes and some
> say no, so I am wondering if feeding fruits and veggies is bad?
*****
They're only "bad" if they take up menu space better filled by meat,
organs and edible bone; or if the veggies you choose include those that
support yeast, suppress thyroid, unnaturally slow down or speed up the
dog's digestive process, or otherwise interfere with the dog's immune
system.
Otherwise, they are extraneous, time consuming and yet another artifice
based on human dietary requirements.
I
> usually feed carrots, brocolli, yams, turnip, apples, cranberries,
etc.
> I also add garlic, kelp, oil, as well as yogurt, sour cream or
cottage
> cheese to the mix. They get this with cooked oatmeal in the morning
and
> their meat in the evening which is chicken neck, backs, pork, fish,
> etc.
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For a reasonable species appropriate diet, I recommend you remove
everything (as in everything) from the menu except "backs, pork, fish,
etc.", and the "etc." is negotiable based on what exactly comprises
your "etc.".
No grains cooked or otherwise, no veggies or fruits cooked or
otherwise, no kelp no dairy. Not a one of these is necessary or
productive in a wolf's diet...and your dog is a wolf. There is no
benefit from these foods, there are no belts in a good raw diet that
require additional help from these suspenders.
Depending on the size of dog you are feeding, chicken necks may be
useful (toy breed/small pup); otherwise, feed larger parts of the
chicken (no need to go smaller than backs). It's good to be able to
get scraps from whatever source, but your dog also needs whole meat and
meaty bones (chicken necks are not meaty enough) and organ meat.
With these three--meat (flesh, fat, skin, connective tissue), edible
bone, organs--the diet will simply not require the other stuff you are
currently feeding.
Check out:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfed.dogs.net
And please browse the archives! You are not at all alone in your
dietary misconceptions.
Chris O
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8e. Re: Hi I am new and have a question reagrding a raw diet
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:33 pm ((PST))
>My question revolves around fruits and veggies. Some say yes and some say no,
Hi,Darren.This topic comes on list at least once a month,so,you can chech archive using search engine andyou get to read postings regarding on veg and fruits.
>so I am wondering if feeding fruits and veggies is bad?
That being said, feeding veg or fruits are not fed to dog becauseit is bad,rather,they are inappropriate food items. I have heard of vegetarian diet for dogs using Tofu as alternated protin instead of using meat protin andrest is veg,but I do not think those are healthy diet because dogs are made to eat meat,bone,organ mostly and maybe occasionary tinyy amount of veg or fruits.Veg or fruits should not be fed as base.
I do not like feeding fruits daily for example because fruits has lots of sugar in it and it is carb.Dog does not need carb.
And for veggies,treat amount maybe ok but,is it uterize very well? I do not think so compare to uterize of meat or bone or organs. Vegetable's cell is hard to break down for dog and they cannot get most nutrient out of it as much asthey can for meat etc.So,IF you feed veg,you need to puree them so thatdog can use some of it but,is it worth for just treat amount???
I don't think it worth doing it.
And, for starchy veg like sweet potatoes,you need to cook and mash for them.
Again,just giving tiny treatamount,is i t worth doing cooking,mashing,peeling???
I do not think so.
And,vegeteable has something you need to remember if you do feed daily even astreat amount.
some veg like broccoli is good for anti cancer property,but if you feed too much, it cause surpress thyroid function.
And,if greenbeans be fed too much,it interfere with calcium absorption.
And if you feed Asparagus or sardine too much, because those have high purine in it,dog like Dalmatian breed tend to form stone in body.
Andfordiabetic dog,beets andcarrots are not great to be fed because most of nutrients of those are sugar.
Moderation is good but,if carb was not center nutrient for dogs,I do not see a point feeding it daily etc.
Plus protin source has high moisture content compare to carb and it is good to prevent forming oxlate stone.
And,especially for arthritis dog,feeding tomato,sweet pepper,tamatilo,eggplant,potatoes are bad because it aggreviate artthritis.
>I also add garlic, kelp, oil, as well as yogurt, sour cream or cottage cheese to the mix.
Well,I admit I give grated raw garlic once in a while but you need to be careful how much you would feed because again,too much is not good;;causing anemia in dog.
1 small clove garlic for 20lb body weight of dog is daily max.
My dog is34lb but I usually grate probably half clove or so for 1 meal.I used to give every other day for flea repell but since I found out that even if I do not give garlic,she never gets flea and looks healthy,I never give that much anymore. I do not give weekly too.Much less.Just once in a while because my dog likes garlic.
Now,why do you give yogurt in base menu? Some dog cannot torelate too much dairy.Are you giving to give probiotic??I find that when my dog gets diarrhea,liquid type of probiotic works better than yogurt itself,and I see no point feeding it if you give itt as probiotic property.After I use up my liquid probiotic(I only use when my dog got prob),then,I am planning to try slippery Elm powder to see the difference.
And cottage cheese.... Did you know cottage cheese hasso much sodium in it? I would not give to my dog at all. Why are you giving cottage cheese? What does this do?
And sour cream... very very high% of fat. Dog may likes it but why... what does sour cream do to dog? Are you giving.. say for calcium source????
And kelp oil. I do not know about oil but feeding kelp can be bad because too much feeding cause surpress thyroid function.
>They get this with cooked oatmeal in the morning
No grain needed for dog,Darren.Oat meal maybe healthy for human but not for dogs.
Grain can cause inflamation for arthritis dog especially.
> meat in the evening which is chicken neck, backs, pork, fish, etc.
Umm.your dog is toy dog?? Are you feeding more meat than bone? dog should eat more meat than bone.Bone being approx 10%.Back,neck are mostly bone so,they are cheap to buy but you need to add meat to it to make it meaty meal,but otherwise,you better buy awhole birds and cut-up to feed is best way to go.
Feeding too much bone is not only bad for canstipation but also not good for too much calcium.
Diet should be look like mostly meat,little bone,a bit of organ.
yassy
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9a. Re: Small bones in rectum
Posted by: "junmollmom" junmollmom@yahoo.com junmollmom
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:37 pm ((PST))
Sandee, thank you for your reply.
Our pups have been eating Bravo in the morning and different kinds of
meat on bones for dinner.
I suspect the cause was extra beef bones Molly ate which were
Junji's(the other dog)left over. I feel bad this happened while I left
them alone for less than ten minutes.
I found a few very small bones in her poop this morning. She is still
very sensitive to touch and not back to her old self yet but she has a
good appetite and BM.
I will feed her chicken breat tonight.
Thanks again.
Keiko
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> I wouldn't feed premade raw...you might want to start her out on
some nice
> raw chicken breast tho.
> I don't know why vets always recommend cooked foods....raw is much
easier to
> digest!
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> What have you been feeding previously? Has she been getting too
much bone
> in her diet? Or is there some reason she isn't digesting the bone...did
> they give you any hint why this happened?
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10a. Re: Dehydrated liver versus fresh
Posted by: "Anna Labriola" taggartgalt@yahoo.com taggartgalt
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:56 pm ((PST))
Thanks for the input!!
Anna and Khan
> Best to you and yours,
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11a. Re: Deer bones
Posted by: "Tracey Gale" whirlwind32980@yahoo.com whirlwind32980
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:56 pm ((PST))
Apologies for not getting back to you sooner but computer has been down, so been nightmare.
It really is only in deer, beef and maybe lamb that i dont give them the thigh bones. Generally poultry that is used for human consumption is from birds younger than a year old, so the bones are then much softer. You don't say what type of dog you have, but i have flatcoated retrievers and feed them quite a variety when we can get it, whole birds (chicken and pheasant etc), rabbit, fish, turkey legs, carcasses, necks and backs, pork, lamb and beef tho these 3 less regularly and really whatever is available. We are quite lucky to knowpeople that shoot so do get quite a range at certain times of year.
Hope that helps
Tracey
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To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:16:36 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Deer bones
The only bone i tend not to give them is
> the thigh bone,
> x Tracey
Tracey, I have a question. I never get deer meat. But I am just
starting out my dog on bones other then beef. And the beef was just
here and there. I have been feeding a raw diet for a while. But was
afraid to give her bones. So far I have been giving her chicken wings.
It takes her all day to eat it, but is having no problems.
I thought I would try some turkey tomorrow. But all I have is the thigh
with bone. Will this be to hard on her to eat? Someone said in another
post that the joint of the thigh bone is to hard for them. I am not
sure if I should try and cut a part of the bone off or just give her
the whole thing.
I need to know this tonight or by morning if I can because I will be
giving her this in the morning.
Thanks,
Joni
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11b. Re: Deer bones
Posted by: "Tracey Gale" whirlwind32980@yahoo.com whirlwind32980
Date: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:56 pm ((PST))
You could try bashing a chicken wing with a meat mallet, to break the bone into smaller pieces inside but still leaving the meat for her to have a good old chew on
x Tracey
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:04:26 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Deer bones
Joni,
> But what size/age of dog are you feeding that takes all day to eat
a
chicken
> wing? What exactly have you been feeding?
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
Sandee, she is 5 years old and a shitzu poo. She is a little over
weight, about 15lbs. I thought she looked best at 12lbs. I had been
feeding ground up meat with a small amount of organ meat and veggies
in
it. The last two times I made up her food I put in egg shells that I
dried out and ground up to powder to help her get calcium.
I was feeding her chicken, turkey and beef. All with the organ meat
for
that kind of meat. I never mixed them beef liver went with the beef
etc.
Since I found out about the importance of giving bones and this
group.
I have just started giving her a chicken wing to start out with. Then
at night I give her 2oz of the ground up meat. For 12lbs they said
she
should have about 4oz a day. She does get some scraps off and on. But
right now she is getting into the composting pile outside that has
bread etc that she should not be eating. Until hubby fixes that I am
stuck with her eating grains and junk.
I am still nerves about giving bones, so I started with small ones
because one of the people in the group said their small dog did
better with the small bones.
Joni
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