[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12158
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Raw feeding for 2 weeks... Goupy eyes for 5 days.
From: alexanderdewey
1b. Re: Raw feeding for 2 weeks... Goupy eyes for 5 days.
From: carnesbill
1c. Re: Raw feeding for 2 weeks... Goupy eyes for 5 days.
From: costrowski75
2a. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
From: katkellm
2b. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
From: angela182548
2c. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
From: katkellm
2d. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
From: angela182548
3a. New Member just starting HELP
From: Kathryn
3b. Re: New Member just starting HELP
From: costrowski75
4a. Re: plaque
From: costrowski75
5.1. Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
From: Loraine Jesse
6a. pet sitter and raw food - how to prepare
From: msailor1
6b. Re: pet sitter and raw food - how to prepare
From: john payne
7a. About to change over to raw feeding
From: totaly_his
7b. Re: About to change over to raw feeding
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: About to change over to raw feeding
From: carnesbill
8a. butchering
From: krystal_brr
8b. Re: butchering
From: Tracey WAGC
8c. Re: butchering
From: krystal_brr
9a. Newbie, dog losing weight, how much do I feed?
From: helenlogan5
9b. Re: Newbie, dog losing weight, how much do I feed?
From: Yasuko herron
10a. Re: Helping a nursing bitch: Is feeding raw with kibble a good idea?
From: Carol Dunster
11a. How do I find the archives?
From: angela182548
11b. Re: How do I find the archives?
From: Sandee Lee
12a. poop
From: angela182548
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1a. Raw feeding for 2 weeks... Goupy eyes for 5 days.
Posted by: "alexanderdewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:47 am ((PDT))
Hi,
My 20 month old pup usually wakes up with very little hard pebbles
of 'sleep' in the corners of her eyes. I normally wipe them away
and they remain gone all day. For the past 5 days or so, she's been
waking up with a lot of green mucas and she keeps producing more all
day. Her eyes seem a little bloodshot too.
Her behavior is normal. This happened once before when she was a
little puppy (eating kibble back then). I can't remember how long
it took to clear up, but I don't think I took her to the vet for it.
Since I've been raw feeding for 2 weeks - and I'm obviously looking
for a reason for my dogs goupy eyes, I'm posting here to ask:
IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY THE RAW IS CONNECTED THE MUCAS??
(this would include, if my hands or a kitchen surface wasn't cleaned
properly).
BTW she's been eating chicken quarters. THANK YOU,
Alex Dewey
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1b. Re: Raw feeding for 2 weeks... Goupy eyes for 5 days.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:07 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote:
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> IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY THE RAW IS CONNECTED THE MUCAS??
Nope, inexperienced people tend to want to blame the raw diet on
everything. Vets are the world's worst at this. If it's not a
digestive problem, it probably wasn't caused by the diet.
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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1c. Re: Raw feeding for 2 weeks... Goupy eyes for 5 days.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:18 am ((PDT))
"alexanderdewey" <alexanderdewey@...> wrote:
For the past 5 days or so, she's been
> waking up with a lot of green mucas and she keeps producing more
all
> day. Her eyes seem a little bloodshot too.
>
> Her behavior is normal. This happened once before when she was a
> little puppy (eating kibble back then). I can't remember how long
> it took to clear up, but I don't think I took her to the vet for it.
>
> Since I've been raw feeding for 2 weeks - and I'm obviously looking
> for a reason for my dogs goupy eyes, I'm posting here to ask:
>
> IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY THE RAW IS CONNECTED THE MUCAS??
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Not likely. Especially since she's done it before.
I totally discount "detox" as it relates to change in diet; it could
be "detox" in the usual sense though of responding (correctly) to a
physical irritant or an irritant with subsequent infection.
'Twere me, I would flush the eyes with sterile saline solution (eye
wash) and take a good looksee for bits of of grass or seeds or hair--
you know, the stuff that gets in eyes. I would look for eyelashes
growing inward instead of out.
I would also consider environmental irritants including household
cleaners, lint, dust bunnies (surely I am not the only one here who
raises dust bunnies?), pollen, mold, decaying leaves and the other
what-have-you's of our lives. I would consider roughhousing with
other pets as a potential cause.
Additionally, I would check her mouth to make sure ain't nothing
stuck between two teeth, although you'd most likely see a more
profound response to discomfort than "just" goopy eyes.
How did her last episode resolve? Did you, back then, establish a
cause?
To pursue non-diet causes, you should repost to RawChat, where you
can really get into it if needs be.
Chris O
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2a. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:28 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@...>
wrote:
This am they are getting beef and liver.
Hi Angela,
DON'T feed the LIVER. Liver too early on and liver at any stage in
excess can give a dog diarrhea. I'll type more later , have to clean
stalls, just came up for a cup of coffee and by the time i can get
back maybe others will talk about the sharp bones. KathyM
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2b. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:45 am ((PDT))
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--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
>Hi Kathy,
I already gave them the liver and beef this am. I started out on Oct5
giving them the raw beef and liver.. I wasnt sure how to start...i was
afraid of the chicken/poultry because the vet gave me a salmonella
lecture... You would figure a vet would "get it" ya know....
So at this point I guess they are kinda use to it..?? What do you
think? Angela
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2c. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@...>
wrote:
> Can't it rip her throat or stomach? AAHHH !!!
Hi Angela,
While anything is possible, the answer is no. If she is chewing the
chicken into swallowable size pieces-not people size pieces, dog size
pieces- she is eating correctly and once the bone gets to the stomach
it begins to digest--no problems.
> This am they are getting beef and liver.
I guess my answer to "are they ok if they have been eating liver since
Oct 5th" is that if you haven't had diarrhea, you probably won't. I
guess since i don't actually know what you have been feeding, i can't
answer that question accurately. If you could just feed chicken for
for a week, though, should your dogs get diarrhea or vomiting--no
scary stuff, just some new transition issues usually caused by
operator error, it will be easier for us to help you because you are
minimizing the variables in the feeding routine. While this may seem
like a step backwards to you, i just fall into the slow but steady
wins the race category.
> Can I give chicken every night?
For a week, absolutely, positively yes. For forever, it would be best
to offer more variety than a chicken a day.
>Do you feed twice a day?
Not now, but in the beginning i fed twice a day because i fed twice a
day on kibble. My suggestion would be to feed as often on raw as you
did on kibble. This way a tummy that is used to eating twice a day
gets to still eat twice a day. If you only fed once a day on kibble,
i would continue with that. The what you should do now is not going
to be the same as what you will probably end up doing a month or so
from now. Start feeding chicken and read the archives to help you to
get a better idea about next week's plan and then ask for help if you
need it.
Also, before you cause the mods to morph into mean green deleting
machines, you need to start trimming your posts. If you don't know
how to do it, you might ask for help, but not from me because i still
click the delete button a million times and have to start my posts
over a couple of times because i screw up.
KathyM who says raw feeding is way easier than raw posting
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2d. Re: Is it ok to give puppy 7mos half chicken?
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:46 pm ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angela182548" <angela182548@>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you could just feed chicken for
> for a week, though, > minimizing the variables in the feeding
routine. While this may seem
> like a step backwards to you, i just fall into the slow but steady
> wins the race category.
>
> > Ok so I will do chicken for the next week, there have been so
many changes in thier poop..some runny, some very solid and dark,
some real light... So a half a chicken a day? no organs no extras?
50 lbs ~ 70lbs ~ 35ish lbs and growing quickly
Thanks Kath.... Angela
>
> My suggestion would be to feed as often on raw as you
> did on kibble.
I always kept the bowls full of kibble and let them eat whenever
they wanted... It seemed like the only time they ate was when they
were really hungry...or when I would add real cooked food.. except
for the baby she would graze all day..Man I feel bad that I ever
gave her that crap.
Start feeding chicken and read the archives to help you to
> get a better idea about next week's plan and then ask for help if
you
> need it.
Sounds like a plan. If I can find the archives..lol
>
> Also, before you cause the mods to morph into mean green deleting
> machines,
I think I trimmed it. I am learning....
> KathyM who says raw feeding is way easier than raw posting
>
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3a. New Member just starting HELP
Posted by: "Kathryn" paintedgoatfarm@yahoo.com paintedgoatfarm
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))
I have just decided to change my dogs to a raw diet. I have an Aussie
and a lab x basset. Can anyone recommend how much they would need to
eat. I believe Zach (lab mix) weighed in at about 65 lbs last vet
check and Badger (aussie) is about 43lbs. They have had raw before as
a treat. We raise our own meat and I've given them whole chickens that
were culled from the flock. Never realized I could do that and not
have to feed kibble. I am so happy I found this group.
Thanks in andvance,
Kathryn
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3b. Re: New Member just starting HELP
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))
"Kathryn" <paintedgoatfarm@...> wrote:>
> I have just decided to change my dogs to a raw diet. I have an
Aussie
> and a lab x basset.
*****
Oh, excellent! Congrats.
Can anyone recommend how much they would need to
> eat. I believe Zach (lab mix) weighed in at about 65 lbs last vet
> check and Badger (aussie) is about 43lbs.
*****
While there is no real need to weigh and measure, if you need the
reassurance of weights and measures, consider 2%-3% of the dog's
ideal adult weight as your starting place. What you will ultimately
use to make your feeding decisions is the dog. The goal is to build
and maintain a splendidly healthy dog, not to stick resolutely to any
numbers.
So if your dogs are at optimal weight now, Zach might get from a
scant one and one-half pounds to perhaps a scant two pounds. A day.
And Badger might start out on a generous 3/4 pound or perhaps
something less than one and one-half pounds. A day.
They may need more, they may need less. Almost certainly over time
they WILL require more and/or less, as they age, as their activity
levels change, as health issues arise. But 2%-3% is as good a place
as any to start.
Perhaps more information than you want right now, but it may be
helpful for you to consider a week's amount of food--not a day's--to
give your dogs and yourself more feeding freedom. In a week, Zach
might get 11 pounds; Badger might get six pounds.
However you choose to "spend" these amounts is up to you and them.
Twice a day seven days a week; once a day for seven days; big one
day, small the next; bigger one day none the next: With a
week's "allowance" you can pretty much rise to and adjust to any
feeding occasion.
I've given them whole chickens that
> were culled from the flock. Never realized I could do that and not
> have to feed kibble.
*****
You betcha! You are already there, they are already there. No more
kibble. Zero, zip, nada. Zilch.
Chris O
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4a. Re: plaque
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:59 am ((PDT))
"antarpremal" <antarpremal@...> wrote:
> In reply to your response, Sashas back teeth the 2 largest are
brownish.
> I'mnot sure that your not right, just some kind of stain?
*****
Hmm.
The molars "should" be easy to keep clean; typically it's the front
teeth that are rarely scrubbed.
Has Sasha had the opportunity to work a bone? Not chicken bones, but
a pork shoulder (both blade and arm are fine), or a lamb shank or
leg. Even beef ribs might reach back there, depending on how she
tackles beef ribs.
I was watching my BC gnaw a goat leg bone. She used her canines to
tear off the easy meat; she used her incisors to pull and pluck at
the meat around the joint; and while she was holding the fairly
cleaned-off bone, she gnawed--longways--the length of the bone with
her premolars. The surfaces of her back molars (the two largest you
refer to) were absolutely in contact with the bone. In effect, the
bone when held in that position acted as both toothbrush and gum
massager.
The bone did NOT act as a toothbrush when she addressed it like,
well, like an ice cream cone or a peppermint stick.
Perhaps you are not giving Sasha the right tools?
Chris O
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5.1. Re: Shopping for raw and the benefits to owners
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:06 am ((PDT))
Yesterday I managed to hit a bunch of sales and meat discounts for my dogs. I purchased 5 whole beef roasts, 1 pork shoulders, 5 Pork Necks, 1 whole pork leg and some smelt. Then when I got home I realized that I did not buy any food for us <grin>
Of course I could hardly wait to give my 6.5 wks old puppies a hunk of beef. Besides them loving it, I had the biggest belly laugh of all. I offered them a few raw smelt. Well the looks on all three faces was just priceless, they had no idea what they were, let alone what to do with them. So after about 20 min of playing with the little fish, they started to roll on them. Talking about laughter being good for the soul, it was just priceless. So tell me please...........why on earth would all three of them roll around on the smelt. Have a puppy visit today and I just know the owners are going to be wondering why my pups smell like 10 old ladies.
Loraine Jesse
rothburg@xplornet.comwww.rothburgrottweilers.com
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6a. pet sitter and raw food - how to prepare
Posted by: "msailor1" msailor1@yahoo.com msailor1
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:27 am ((PDT))
I am new to the raw food diet and have started my 3.5 year old male
German Shepherd on it. I started with pre-made raw patties and turkey
necks. I am going to wean off of the patties after reading that the
veggies, etc. aren't necessary. He has a sensitive GI system so I was
concerned about diarrhea but surprisingly not an issue - I think the
bones are helping. I travel monthly and my dog stays with a pet
sitter who does a raw diet for her dogs but she includes vegetables.
I have always used kibble in the past. Do you have a tip on how I
prepare and give her his new diet? He will be with her in one week
for a week and this is his first week on the new diet. Thanks,
Michelle
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6b. Re: pet sitter and raw food - how to prepare
Posted by: "john payne" brendajohn2823@yahoo.com brendajohn2823
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:43 am ((PDT))
hi..we have raw feed 2 dogs for a couple of years and travel alot. we have a pet sitter that comes to our house. i went to the $ store and bought plastic containers with lids. i make the number of meals up for each dog..say 1 weeks worth, and then put each meal in a container( they eat 1 time a day) and then put a a for angel and a b for brutius on the lids and put them in the freezer. all she has to do is each morning is grab one for each dog, and by dinner time they're thawed out. i tried the plastic bag thing, but they have a tendency to be messy. she feeds them in these containers, washes them out and thats it. one of our dogs is 135lbs, so just by the containers thats big enough for their meal. also, if freezer space is a problem, im sure a weeks worth of meals would be fine in your fridge!!
Brenda
msailor1 <msailor1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am new to the raw food diet and have started my 3.5 year old male
German Shepherd on it. I started with pre-made raw patties and turkey
necks. I am going to wean off of the patties after reading that the
,
Michelle
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7a. About to change over to raw feeding
Posted by: "totaly_his" totaly_his@yahoo.com totaly_his
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:42 am ((PDT))
I have been trying to research and learn all that I can about raw-feeding so that I can be well
informed. I have a few questions that I need answered. When I feed my dog, where do I give
them the meat/bones? Do they eat it in the house or go outside to eat? When it gets really
cold outside I will think that it's too cold for her to eat outside. If it's indoors, do I keep her in
one area to eat and then disinfect and clean up after her? How long should a good raw-eating
meal take, 30 minutes...1 hour? I hope these don't sound too silly to answer, I just want to
make sure that I start out the best that I can with knowledge that I have learned from this and
other sites. Thanks so much. Jackie Bennett
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7b. Re: About to change over to raw feeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:30 am ((PDT))
"totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:
>I have a few questions that I need
*****
I urge you to use the list message archives! There are years of "how
to" questions and answers there; I doubt you will be disappointed in
your topic searches.
Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding
message archives:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join
When I feed my dog, where do I give
> them the meat/bones?
*****
Wherever it works for them and you.
Do they eat it in the house or go outside to eat?
*****
Wherever you want. I feed inside and outside. I feed in crates and
not in crates. I feed in kennels and not in kennels. Mostly I feed
outside but it's not like I'm under contract to do so.
When it gets really
> cold outside I will think that it's too cold for her to eat outside.
*****
Fine. You know you dog better then any of us ever could.
If it's indoors, do I keep her in
> one area to eat and then disinfect and clean up after her?
*****
Yes, the recommendation is to confine the dog to an area unless you
don't mind her dragging food all over the house. Some people don't.
Again, it's up to you. Cleaning up is generally as easy as wiping
the floor for anything the dog might have missed. You can make it as
complicated as you need to, but the process is not by definition
difficult.
How long should a good raw-eating
> meal take, 30 minutes...1 hour?
*****
However long the dog needs to get the job done. As long as the dog
is focused on the meal, the meal continues. If/when the dog loses
interest, the meal is over. Some meals are lengthy, some are over as
quickly as the dog sucks down the food.
I just want to
> make sure that I start out the best that I can
*****
I've little doubt you're there. And I have little doubt that as you
progress and continue to learn and explore and accumulate time on the
job, you will change all sorts of things that you now think you've
got nailed down. There's but one nailable issue with raw, IMO:
raw is better than not raw.
Beyond that, the sky's the limit.
Chris O
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7c. Re: About to change over to raw feeding
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:38 am ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:
>
> When I feed my dog, where do I give
> them the meat/bones? Do they eat it in the house or go outside
> to eat?
I feed mine in the kitchen. I stand at the kitchen sink and hand out
animal parts. They take them wherever they want to to eat.
> If it's indoors, do I keep her in
> one area to eat and then disinfect and clean up after her?
You can if you wish. It's entirely up to you. Some do and some
don't. I don't. I have never in 5 years disinfected an eating area.
OF course I clean up on the counter and around the sink.
> How long should a good raw-eating
> meal take, 30 minutes...1 hour?
Usually 5 minutes to 30 minutes depending on what's in this meal. It
takes a pretty long time in the beginning until the dog learns how to
eat real food.
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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8a. butchering
Posted by: "krystal_brr" rkbarr@hughes.net krystal_brr
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:37 am ((PDT))
Does anyone here butcher there own venison? I have never done my own,
but am wondering if there are any suggestions for doing it a particular
way with the idea that the dogs are going to get most of it?
Thanks
Krystal
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8b. Re: butchering
Posted by: "Tracey WAGC" wagc@sasktel.net frustrated_tracey
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:46 pm ((PDT))
Krystal, What do you need to know? When I first started butchering venison for my own use it had to be done a certain way otherwise it was stringy and tough. If you are butchering for raw feeding like I will be this year as soon as I get out hunting, I'm going to bag the innards and just hack the body into pieces for my Standard Poodle Pup. (thats if I ever find the time to go out) "cept the tenderlions... there mine. I have to field dress the deer and bag the innards cause otherwise I'd never be able to lift it into my truckbed cause I hunt alone.
Tracey
Pumpkin (senior toy Poodle)
Ruger (25 week old Standard Poodle pup)
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Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] butchering
Does anyone here butcher there own venison? I have never done my own,
but am wondering if there are any suggestions for doing it a particular
way with the idea that the dogs are going to get most of it?
Thanks
Krystal
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8c. Re: butchering
Posted by: "krystal_brr" rkbarr@hughes.net krystal_brr
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:43 pm ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Tracey WAGC <wagc@...> wrote:
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> Krystal, What do you need to know? >
I guess I just wanted to know if you just hack it up or if you are as
careful as when you will be consuming the meat? I am envisioning just
chunks of meat with pieces of bone left in... is that about it?
I am with you.. loins are mine, but they can have the rest:-)
Krystal
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9a. Newbie, dog losing weight, how much do I feed?
Posted by: "helenlogan5" helenlogan5@yahoo.co.uk helenlogan5
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:06 am ((PDT))
Hi I started feeding my 3 border collies raw about 4 weeks ago
because Megan (5yrs) who has always had problems with very loose poo
(it took us until she was 9 months old to get her half way solid by
trying every commercial food available (if only I was more
enlightened then!).
I started with chicken wings, minced tripe and chicken from the pet
store and lightly cooked veg which is then put through the food
processor. I have just found a fabulous 'proper' butcher who saves
all his bones and offcuts for me (free - it costs him £35 a week to
get rid of them!!) They had a breast of lamb each last night - it
was wonderful to see them ripping a tearing at their food - and
today have been really lazy - did I feed them too much? or is this
what they would do in the wild - sleep off a heavy meal?
My youngest, Gypsy (2 yrs) is always on the go and I have noticed
that she is losing weight, do I 'fill her up' with pasta, rice,
carbs etc? or should I increase her meat/bone food? She has a cast
iron stomach. All 3 of them love fruit - a real treat for them is a
wrinkly satsuma!
I would appreciate any advice and tips anyone can give.
Helen
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9b. Re: Newbie, dog losing weight, how much do I feed?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:43 am ((PDT))
> They had a breast of lamb each last night - it was wonderful to see them ripping a tearing >at their food - and today have been really lazy - did I feed them too much?
I do not know how much you fed to dog but if it were more than daily intake,then,the dog maybe feeling full and being tired from quite an workout.
When I gave my corgi about 3lb weight of Beef ribs that is about 7-8inch length per rib(quite big and bigger than my dog head I think),she was tackling the meat so much from this angle,that angle etc and she got so tired and had rest after that with some napping.
She usually get about 10-12oz(less than 1lb) so,you see how heavy meal it was for palette on that day although most weight will be coming from rib bone itself..
She did not eat much of rib bone,just gnaw some andate all the meat from the ribs,I think she hadabout 1lb or over worth from the slabs.
I do not feed her like this all the time,just once a month but,it is good for her to stimulate her ;mental excersise,physical excersize,and of course,teeth cleaning as well.
Next day,she had light snack and she did fine.
when I put 3lb of huuge ribs,she kind of stared at me,looking at meat,staring at me,licking the meat.Pazzeled,but she was fine.She now knows it is ok to eat such big heavy stuff.
For about 3 months or so spending introducing all new protins source,and second round now,I am trying to put more amount of food to one of the feeding meal and lighten up the other meal trying to make it to one meal,and giveher chance of huge meatday with light snack.So far,no poo prob too.
She is handling pretty good.
>My youngest, Gypsy (2 yrs) is always on the go and I have noticed
>that she is losing weight,
Maybe the dog is loosing fat in body maybe?? Carb;most kibble has about 40% or more of carb consists of rice,veg and sometimes fruits.Those fatten the dogs so,now with all protin and fat only fed so,no carb there and I am thinking your dog loosing fat the dog accumulated from kibble.
After months,you would notice nice muscle tone especially on hind legs,and become more muscular.
Keep an eye on your dog and if your dog kept loosing and no stopping to maintain the weight(loosing too much),then,you feed more.Fattier meat would be good.
>do I 'fill her up' with pasta, rice, ?
No,grain cause inflammation in body for some dogs or maybe allergy(yeast prob) or help growing cancer cell and,I do not like grain at all. For pasta..it is gluten.Not something dog needs to eat mostly..and such thing level up the insulin in blood.
>carbs etc? or should I increase her meat/bone food?
Don't need much bone,dog needs meat than bone. If you were just starting this way of feeding,keep an eye on weight andif loosing too much,then, consider feeding fattier meat with maybe up the % of their food amount.
How much are you feeding andwaht are you feeding other than lamb breast?
>. All 3 of them love fruit - a real treat for them
Yea,but fruit has so much sugar in it so,you do not want to feed too much.
I know my palette likes mango,banana, papaya,honeydew,watermelon,Asian pear etc.. I feed as treat maybe thumb nail size only and if I had it with my meal. I give her once in a while but definitely not everyday.
She does not like pinapple and apple.
I do not feed carrots as treats too because it has so much sugar in it too,plus she does not like it raw.Carrot is not so great veg for human too if one has diabete.
Anyway,feed,meat,bone,organ and occasional treats like fruits or veg if dogs like it but definitely carb should not dominate dog's diet. They cannot digest well and,not so great for them..
yassy
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10a. Re: Helping a nursing bitch: Is feeding raw with kibble a good idea?
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:50:12 -0000, you wrote:
>Now I just have to convince the rescue to ignore their idiot vet and
>let me do my thing.
She is in your care, just do it and don't say too much. :)
~ Carol
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11a. How do I find the archives?
Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:24 pm ((PDT))
Hi,
Can you guys direct me to the archives.... pls & thank you,
Angela
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11b. Re: How do I find the archives?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:10 pm ((PDT))
Angela,
If you are on individual emails, it's easy as there are several links to
click on at the bottom of each message. If you are not receiving individual
emails, go to the group website....
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/
and click on messages.
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From: "angela182548" <angela182548@yahoo.com>
Can you guys direct me to the archives.... pls & thank you,
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Posted by: "angela182548" angela182548@yahoo.com angela182548
Date: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:40 pm ((PDT))
Hi All,
Quick question about poo.... Baby is a bit constipated w/ dry
stoole. Is this normal? Is this also part of thier body detoxing? What
can I do to help her? Thanks, Angela
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