Re: [rawfeeding] need help new to list osto

Oh gosh, Iris...so sorry about the diagnosis and him having to go through
all that surgery. I've been through this although we discovered the cause
of the break and opted to amputate.

Anyway, feed him approximately 2-3% of his ideal weight per day. Start with
chicken but add in red meat as soon as you can. I would also recommend fish
or salmon oil.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "cowpantslady" <thecowpantslady@aol.com>

>
> I kept stalling putting the my dogs on raw but now our Saullie was=20
> diagnosed with osto yesterday. he is going to be 11 aug 1.=20
> he had major surgery on saturday on his broken leg (pins, rods, brace)
> before we knew it was osto. it hasn't spread. we have opted not to do=20
> amputation or chemo and want to go the natural raw route
> i need to know today how much chicken we should feed him=20

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[rawfeeding] Crystals in urine and feeding raw?

I am looking into adopting from a local rescue organization. My concern
is this puppy has a uti and had crystals in his urine. he had a neg
x-ray for stones but they said he will need a special diet for the rest
of his life to keep his urine ph regulated.

Would I be able to feed him raw along with my other dog?

Thanks

Jean

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Getting started

Hi Sally,

Rather than ground beef, you might want to try chicken breast....has nice
easily digestible bone, lots of meat. Or try smashing up the legs a bit.
And you can always try some of the tricks such as warming up the food,
slicing into it (to give her a starting place) and/or sprinkling with
Parmesan.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "sallynbob221" <sallynbob@catskill.net>
I did just what you said and my dogs looked at me like I was crazy.
Except my 13 yo GSD- she ate & ate & ate. which is good cause she
hasn't been eating so good. My other 2, 5 yo Dobie mix & 2 yo MinPin
eventually ate but were very cautious. My 1 yo Chinese crested never
did eat the chicken legs. I am going to get her some ground meat to
start on. I am really excited and will continue to seek info. Thanks
for your help. Sally

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Re: [rawfeeding] Intro --raw feeding and low thyroid

Mona,

Diet is the cornerstone of health, there is no doubt about that.

But those of us with hypothyroid dogs will tell you that feeding raw is NOT
A CURE for hypothyroidism.

Do not be afraid of the thyroid supplement for your dog - remember, it's not
a "medication", it's a supplement for a hormone that the body is no longer
producing, but desperately needs. My dogs are on raw for over six years, no
vaccines, no flea/HW treatments, only homeopathically treated, etc. BUT my
terrier girl still gets her Soloxine twice a day, every day.

FWIW.

Casey

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[rawfeeding] Re: Freecycle for old meat (and introduction)

Regarding the 80/10/10, how do go about exactly measuring all of that.
Is that the recommendation of a meal per day? I'm feeding a 17 lbs.
JRT-mix. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you,
Sean

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[rawfeeding] re: Freecycle post

I followed the previous advice about advertising on Freecycle for old meat. I even made sure I said it was for my dog so people wouldn't think I wanted it for myself. The issue I'm having is that within 5 minutes of me posting the ad it was answered by someone telling me that feeding a raw diet is way too hard and technical for someone with my obvious lack of experience to be able to do it right. Basically they said "Raw is a tricky process. It's not just raw meat and without the proper additives, you could do alot more harm
than good."

Robin -- first, disregard all this nonsense! 'Tis pure silliness and lack of knowledge on the part of the poster. Rawfeeding is very, very simple; and very, very natural to our dogs! You can do this.
Secondly, if you post again, on Freecycle or other source, simply state that because of health issues, your dog has to eat home-prepared food. It's true, but doesn't state "raw," and because of misconceptions, ignorance and/or brain-washing, many folks don't understand feeding our carnivores. This approach lulls them into acceptance.

- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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[rawfeeding] Re: getting started

Hi, Mona, one of the best ways to get up to speed quickly is to go
to the yahoo groups main site and look at the archives. If you go
back even five days or so and just start reading, I'll bet a lot of
questions will be answered! That said, here are some short answers
to your questions:

> What do you feed your dog?
I feed a variety of parts from a variety of animals. I feed mostly
meat, some meaty edible bones, and some organ. Generally, 80% meat,
10% edible bone, 10% organs. "Meat" to me pretty much means
anything that isn't squishy organ or edible bone.

> How did you get started with it?
I bought whole chickens and cut them into quarters and handed them
to dog. After he was good at digesting chicken (no soft poo or
digestive upset), I moved on to pork, then beef, then rabbit,
then. . .

> How did the dog respond?
Both my pups took to raw right away and have never turned their
noses up at anything I offer.

> How long did it take before he/she got used to eating only raw
> meat?
Well, they don't eat "only" raw meat, but their digestive systems
didn't have much of a problem. Both were switched at 9-10weeks of
age, and they might have had one day of loose stool, but nothing
really dramatic. Well, unless you count "operator error" when i let
my GSP eat as much as he wanted of a new food, but that was my bad.

> Is there an essay I can read about what this consists of, how do
> start, what to expect and maybe answer other questions I can't
> think of right now, but will think of later? Is there a
> beginner's guide?
There are a couple of websites that are really good for starting
out, rawlearning.com, rawfeddogs.com, and lots of others. There is
a book called "Work Wonders" by Tom Lonsdale that is helpful as
well. You can download a free copy on www.rawmeatybones.com
But really, this is the best place to learn. Read all the posts
that come through, and ask questions!

> I'm really coming to this group with very little knowledge in this
> area.
Actually, I think people who come here with little previous
knowledge have an easier time than those who have done tons of
research. There are lots of myths out there about raw feeding. I
don't think many of us were brought up with raw feeding, so at one
point we were all newbies. Welcome to the group!

Andrea

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[rawfeeding] Re: phosphorous:calcium ratio

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
> There have been many thousands of people who raised puppies on a raw
> diet and didn't even consider this ratio. I am one of those people.
>
> Bill Carnes

Me too. I've raised lots of litters on raw and I have whole generations of dogs living here that
have never tasted kibble. No puppy chow, nothing processed or cooked or that comes in a
box, can or bag. Never worried about cal:phos ratios.

My pups grow up strong and healthy. Never had loose stools, no allergies, no teeth problems
and certainly NO bone problems. They are athletes and can't afford those kind of problems.

It's a wonder dogs made it into the 21st century without the help of Purina and their ilk.
They are but a blip on the evolutionary scale of things. With a bit of help from us, maybe we
can send processed food back where it came from and people will once again learn how to
feed their dogs without big companies telling us we can't.

Merril

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[rawfeeding] getting started

I was just thinking that I have no idea how to get my dog started on raw feeding. What do
you feed your dog? How did you get started with it? How did the dog respond? How long did
it take before he/she got used to eating only raw meat? Is there an essay I can read about
what this consists of, how do start, what to expect and maybe answer other questions I can't
think of right now, but will think of later? Is there a beginner's guide?

I'm really coming to this group with very little knowledge in this area. Any guidance will be
appreciated.

Thanks,

Mona

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[rawfeeding] Re: Bad Vomit/ Need help

Hi Laurie, this is what happened. We fasted her all day and come evening
she was practically jumping on the counter and table to get food. Hubby
suggested maybe we feed her a little bit, so we gave her the thigh, then
later the chicken leg.

Everything was fine till this morning. I came downstairs to see she had
thrown up on the rug by the patio door. It looked like two small peices
of poop and the rest was dirt. I am sure of it as it smelled like dirt.
I also vound some liquid thrown up with a little yellow in it by the
couch.

Other than that she seems fine. Alert, playful, tongue and gums pink and
red.

I think she is eating dirt for some strange reason. I think maybe she is
so hungry she is looking for something to eat, so I fed her a chicken
quarter after that. Maybe I shouldn't have, but for some reason I trust
my instincts. It will only be chicken today until her stomach is in
better shape.

I don't know what else to do?

Pauline

> I would. And then I'd start w/a snack or small meal tomorrow and see
> how that goes.
>
> Laurie
>

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[rawfeeding] Re: Liquid Salmon Oil

That was my concern when I talked to someone at Timberwolf. They told
me it was just after it was opened. That it was sealed and only after
opening could it go rancid. I plan to follow the suggestions of others
who keep a smaller bottle in the fridge and put the rest in the freezer.
Michele

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> *****I recently saw Grizzly brand liquid Salmon oil for sale in a
> reputable pet store. It was on a shelf, not refrigerated...does that
> mean it's oxidized? before anyone even buys it? I'm also now assuming
> that all liquid Salmon oil needs to be refrigerated, and how long is
> it good stored in the refrigerator?
> Thanks
> Jill W.
>

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[rawfeeding] Intro --raw feeding and low thyroid

Hi,

I'm new to the list and want to introduce myself. My own experience as a raw foodist has
been positive and would like to see how it works with my dog.

I have a terrier mix mutt who weighs about 26 lbs right now. She was recently diagnosed
with a low thyroid. I'm hoping that by changing her diet her health will improve. She also
has a terrible rash in her ears, hair loss, and asthma. I know that it may not "fix" her thyroid,
but am hoping that it will improve her overall health.

I would love to hear from anyone who has had experience this see how a diet change may
help.

Thank you,

Mona

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[rawfeeding] The Meatrix

Anybody seen this?

http://www.themeatrix.com/

Mal Firth

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[rawfeeding] Introduction

Just wanted to thank all of you for being out there! Lots of great info
to read here. I just started my two dogs on raw a couple days ago after
doing tons of research. Sera is a 65lb Lab and Dewey is a 15lb Mini
Schnauzer. Both are one year old.Sera took to it like a champ although
it was kinda scary to watch for the first time! Dewey didn't like
it as much, but he's coming around. I, on the other hand, am not doing
so well......I'm actually vegan! I'm not grossed out by raw meat, I
just wish one animal didn't have to die to feed another. I keep trying
to convince myself that this is just dog food and I'm not being
unfaithful to my vegan beliefs. I don't believe humans need animals to
survive (don't worry, I will never preach in here!), but I do admit my
dogs do. Any others out there have this same problem?

Tracy

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[rawfeeding] Re: Freecycle for old meat (and introduction)

Thank you, Trish.
That does make me feel better. I was reasonably sure, but it's
great to have confirmation. BTW, I am really enjoying all the
information on this list. I think my dog is going to have a new
lease on life.
Robin.

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>
> You're right, this person doesn't know what they are talking
about! You
> don't need much information to do raw feeding. You don't need
additives and
> it isn't tricky. 80% meat, 10% edible bone, 10% organ (5% of that
being
> liver).
>
> Trish

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[rawfeeding] Re: Freecycle for old meat (and introduction)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "b.rleeo" <lovinandcarin@...>
wrote:
>
> It's not just raw
> meat and without the proper additives, you could do alot more harm
> than good." Then they directed me to a website where I could buy
> the proper dog food in a bag.

Robin,
You are right, they don't have a clue. They are right about one
thing, it's not just raw meat. You do have to feed other things.
Those other things are bones and organs. Nothing more. Of course
you know that. :) :) :)

I wouldn't try arguing with this person because breeders think they
know it all just because they have raised a few litters of puppies.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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[rawfeeding] Re: Liquid Salmon Oil

> I also heard that capsulation can cause the oil to go
> > rancid.
> *****
> Ya pays your money and ya takes yer choice. Most sources warn of
the
> opposite: that liquid SO improperly cared for (stored at room
> temperature for example) oxidizes very quickly.
>
>
> > Chris O
*****I recently saw Grizzly brand liquid Salmon oil for sale in a
reputable pet store. It was on a shelf, not refrigerated...does that
mean it's oxidized? before anyone even buys it? I'm also now assuming
that all liquid Salmon oil needs to be refrigerated, and how long is
it good stored in the refrigerator?
Thanks
Jill W.

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[rawfeeding] Re: Enough bone in chicken quarters?

"emmiemileslouie" <lklora@...> wrote:
> Stocked up on chicken leg quarters and was wondering if I needed to
add
> additional RMB to these or are they sufficient as is regarding
> bone/meat percentages? Don't worry, am also giving organ meat along
> with these.
*****
There's more than enough bone in chicken quarters. They're not as bony
as necks or wings or backs, but they are bonier than what's needed in
the long haul. If anything you might consider adding boneless meals to
the menu. Or at least adding some extra meat to the leg quarter meals
from time to time.

What size dog are you feeding? It may be that buying whole birds to
feed through would provide more overall meat. They certainly will
offer more eating practice.

Don't overdo the organs. Neither heart nor gizzard count as organ by
the way; so if you are feeding them you are not feeding organ meat but
you ARE adding more meat to the meals which is a good thing. Go gently
on the liver until your dog is faimilar with the concept.
Chris O

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Starting 15 week old pup on raw

Young pup's are great so you should have no problem. I have a 14 week old
Bull Terrier & he's ben on Raw since I got him at six weeks old. I gave him
Raw the 1st day I got him & never turned back! He loves it. Start slow.
Give him a variety slowly. I gave him something new every day. I'd add a new
ingredient like liver, heart, & other organs & meats to each meal slowly to
see how he reacts & watch his bowl movements. If there solid your doing
right. Runny is wrong. I haven't had a meat, organ, RMB, fish, anything that my
Pig Bully doesn't like. Good luck & keep us posted on the progress!

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Freecycle for old meat (and introduction)

Welcome, Robin! The first time I posted, I got a response like that,
too. I wrote back and thanked her for her advice and deleted the email.

Don't take personally stuff from people you don't know. They're
faceless personalities behind a different computer screen. The 'delete'
button is extremely appropriate in many cases. Trust your instincts and
your judgment - you seem like an intelligent person who's done her
homework. Don't allow someone to make you second guess yourself.

Virginia in Milwaukee

b.rleeo wrote:
> Hello Everyone.
> My name is Robin and I live in west central Wisconsin. I joined
> this list about a week ago and have been reading all the posts to
> figure out how to begin this new venture in my dog's life. <snip> The issue I'm having is that within 5
> minutes of me posting the ad it was answered by someone telling me
> that feeding a raw diet is way too hard and technical for someone
> with my obvious lack of experience to be able to do it right.
> Basically they said "Raw is a tricky process. It's not just raw
> meat and without the proper additives, you could do alot more harm
> than good." Then they directed me to a website where I could buy
> the proper dog food in a bag.
>

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[rawfeeding] Re: Where to buy the raw meat

You can do whatever works for you. That's the freedom that you get
with a raw diet. Personally, I shop at supermarkets. I don't have a
giant freezer, so I buy in moderate amounts and freeze. But that's
just what I do! Some people go to butchers, hunt, buy from hunters,
buy from local farmers, etc. In general, get it wherever you can,
whenever you can, and however you can.

-Melissa W

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>
> Hello,
>
> We are new to the raw feeding method and are in research mode.
> My question to the group is where do you all buy your meat and bones?
> Can we trust just any supermarket or do we have to find a butcher?
> Do you buy a whole lot and freeze it? We don't have a giant freezer
> and need to sort out the logistics of all of this.
>
> Any tip is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
> Stefanie
>

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[rawfeeding] Re: About fish oil ingredients (repost)

"mwood8402" <mwood8402@...> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering why so many people feed capsules instead of the
liquid
> oil?
*****
Perhaps cheaper, easier to find, easier to store, easier to feed?

With the oil, you don't have to worry about ingredients in the
> gel caps.
*****
No, but you should still worry about the oil in the oil.

I also heard that capsulation can cause the oil to go
> rancid.
*****
Ya pays your money and ya takes yer choice. Most sources warn of the
opposite: that liquid SO improperly cared for (stored at room
temperature for example) oxidizes very quickly.

I don't have sources on that at the moment, but if someone
> is curious, I can look it up.
*****
Yes, I would be interested. I suspect the source of this caveat
sells liquid SO.
Chris O

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[rawfeeding] Re: I'm New To the List

I wouldn't worry at all if it weren't for the immune suppressant
drugs. I don't know a thing about autoimmune polyarthritis, but is
there any way that you can wean your dog off of the medication? My dog
has IBD, which is also treated with immune suppressant drugs. I've
always refused to use them because they are dangerous and have so many
negative side effects. If I were you, I would try to get my dog off
those medications and try raw diet and/or homeopathy, if that's
possible. But again, I don't know if that's possible with your dogs
condition. Keep us updated. Best of luck!

-Melissa W

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> and wanted to hear opinions on switching to raw for a dog who is
> currently diagnosed with autoimmune polyarthritis and is on immune
> suppression drugs?
>
> ~Sandy
> SE Michigan
>
>
>
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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Freecycle for old meat (and introduction)

You're right, this person doesn't know what they are talking about! You
don't need much information to do raw feeding. You don't need additives and
it isn't tricky. 80% meat, 10% edible bone, 10% organ (5% of that being
liver).

Trish

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From: "b.rleeo" <lovinandcarin@hotmail.com>

> The issue I'm having is that within 5
> minutes of me posting the ad it was answered by someone telling me
> that feeding a raw diet is way too hard and technical for someone
> with my obvious lack of experience to be able to do it right.
> Basically they said "Raw is a tricky process. It's not just raw
> meat and without the proper additives, you could do alot more harm
> than good." Then they directed me to a website where I could buy
> the proper dog food in a bag.
> I really want to know what you guys have to say about that.
> Personally, from all the reading I've done lately, I don't think
> this person (who raises golden retrievers) knows what they are
> talking about.
> Thank you,
> Robin.

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Very worried-- dog swallowed whole oxtail segment

"The size of a golf ball, or a little bigger."

He'll be fine, but you've already read that now. When my Ruger was about
that size, he swallowed a whole chicken leg/thigh - I was praying it didn't
come out the other end sideways LOL but I never saw it. I thought I'd
atleast see big bone fragments or something, but their digestive systems are
amazing.
--
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[rawfeeding] Re: leg bones other than cow ok?

"diannem200400" <diannem200400@...> wrote:
> I just bought a 60 lb. box of cow feet. The hooves are
> attached! How do you get cow feet without hooves? Should I cut off
> the hooves or something? Are they too hard?
*****
Dianne, hooves attached to the rest of the thing called "foot" are
dandy--just another part of a big, clumsy and fairly unattractive hunk
of cow. Hooves by themselves can shatter and are often the right size
for precipitous swallowing. Attached to a larger foot, they are darned
near impossible to dislodge.

I wouldn't consider them a meal though, is that why you purchased
them? Or simply for Big Fun?
Chris O

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Question

Thanks Chris.

Katrina

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[rawfeeding] Enough bone in chicken quarters?

Hi,

I'm relatively new to this. Have only been feeding raw for about 2
weeks, so please bear with me. Hopefully one day I'll be able to
answer questions rather than ask them!

Stocked up on chicken leg quarters and was wondering if I needed to add
additional RMB to these or are they sufficient as is regarding
bone/meat percentages? Don't worry, am also giving organ meat along
with these.

Thanks!
Linda

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[rawfeeding] Re: Freecycle for old meat (and introduction)

Hello Everyone.
My name is Robin and I live in west central Wisconsin. I joined
this list about a week ago and have been reading all the posts to
figure out how to begin this new venture in my dog's life. I think
I have a basic understanding of how to proceed. Now I just need to
collect the meat and get started.
On that note, I have something I'd like to share with you all. I
followed the previous advice about advertising on Freecycle for old
meat. I even made sure I said it was for my dog so people wouldn't
think I wanted it for myself. The issue I'm having is that within 5
minutes of me posting the ad it was answered by someone telling me
that feeding a raw diet is way too hard and technical for someone
with my obvious lack of experience to be able to do it right.
Basically they said "Raw is a tricky process. It's not just raw
meat and without the proper additives, you could do alot more harm
than good." Then they directed me to a website where I could buy
the proper dog food in a bag.
I really want to know what you guys have to say about that.
Personally, from all the reading I've done lately, I don't think
this person (who raises golden retrievers) knows what they are
talking about.
Thank you,
Robin.

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[rawfeeding] Re: Very worried-- dog swallowed whole oxtail segment

"Julie Raymond" <marrat1@...> wrote:
>
> I thought I'd try giving Sonny oxtail since I saw it at the grocery
> store for the first time today. It came already cut up into segments,
> but I didn't think it would be an issue. However he just chewed some
> meat off then swallowed the rest WHOLE. It was a fairly large piece
> of bone. The size of a golf ball, or a little bigger. But more
> awkwardly shaped. He had a hard time swallowing it, and after it went
> down he wimpered and looked very uncomfortable and was sort of
> cringing for a few seconds, then he seemed fine and chowed down on
> the rest of his dinner.
*****
I suspect by now you have answers! I'm comfortable feeding singleton
oxtails to small breed pups as a fun food toy and perhaps to cats that
are into their food and can tolerate beef. Otherwise, IMO singleton
oxtails are best when braised then cooked slowly for any number of
seriously yummy meals for HUMANS.

A length of ox tail, from base to end, ought to be a great adventure
even if, as with the rest of the spinal column, there's not a lot of
meat on the body part. If I could afford whole oxtails, I'd feed them.

FWIW, when my bc was maybe four months old(?), I gave her a hen turkey
neck, thinking she was widdy and it was big. Well let me tell you.
She chomped into that thing like it was peanut brittle and before I
realized it (and yes, I was there watching) she had gotten it down to
two inches or so, a section she promptly swallowed. She responded just
as your dog did--discomfort, concern, then back to normal. Scared me,
it did. I mean, who'da thunk it?

She had NO digestive problems with it, and in fact though I monitored
her stools, I saw nothing that looked even remotely like a chunk of
turkey neck.

Let us know how this, um, comes out.
Chris O

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[rawfeeding] Re: Question

"Katrina" <outrageousshadowfilas@...> wrote:
> My question is this.....my guys are used to getting pigs feet but I
am concerned that the bacon, pork, tripe are going to be overly rich
for them to eat as meals.
*****
"Too rich" is a dog by dog experience. What is "too rich" for one
dog may be an uneventful meal for another dog. Certainly the bacon
(I assume you do not mean smoked, cured pork but rather the raw belly
that would otherwise have become bacon) has a lot of fat: most pork
is fatty. If your dogs are not accustomed to fatty meat, they may
have have loose stools until you and they learn what they're capable
of eating. Loose stools are not necessarily bad for the dog.

A sudden influx of fat in a diet not acclimated to it may cause acute
pancreatitis, but acute doesn't mean chronic and an attack may never
ever happen again. The point is, if your dogs are not accustomed to
fatty meals, gradually increase the amount of fat you feed.

Are you getting raw, unprocessed tripe or human-use cleaned tripe?
Raw unprocessed is a good thing but may vary in fattiness depending
on the cow's diet and who did the cleaning out. So again, you'll
have to run it through your dogs to see the result. If you mean pig
stomach, if it's been cleaned and tidied up it will be another source
of pork protein but since pigs got different stomachs than cows do,
the prospect of enzyme-laden herbivore digesta does not exist. I
myself would not take pig stomach unless it were free. Seventy-five
cents a pound is not free, for me.

> What is the general consensus on giving the dogs a large ration of
the pork I was able to pick up?
*****
I suspect pork plays a large role in many raw diets which is fine,
certainly no worse than chicken playing a large role in a raw diet
and arguably better. Again, it might be a shock to the system of a
dog that has been eating kibble all along, or one that hasn't had
much in the way of fatty meat.

Though I would not recommend a diet of pork ala pork (just as I
believe that a diet of chicken ala chicken is shorting the dog), I
see no problem with feeding pork (even fatty pork) on a regular
basis. Just make sure the dog ALSO doesn't see it as a problem.
Chris O

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Re: [rawfeeding] DO I NEED TO ADD BONE OR MORE ORGAN?

Have you had her checked for parasites? I've seen that behavior in
animals that have worms.

Virginia in Milwaukee

alliecaracleo wrote:
> Howdy everyone.
> My 11 yr tabby indoor cat has been on raw for about 2wks. She got tired
> of chicken so I added pork country style rib in chunks as she doesnt do
> bones yet. Prob today is (trying to be tactful) she is dragging her
> tush on white carpet. Yes my white carpet in my bedroom where she
> stays. Going to get laminated wood when we have the money.
>
> She would do this before with kibble and I would give canned pumpkin.
> Confused as if she needs more fiber or from gizzard she ate? No big d
> just dragging. Not anal gland prob. Any good ideas welcomed. Give more
> bone? liver?
>
> Have a great weekend everyone. Ciao ciao
> Denise
>

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Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Training and Treats

Got it. Treats are treats, they aren't dinner. I've been using Natural Balance Turkey.

KJ

Like you said, they should be a quick eat. Clicker training the
right way consists of feeding a treat every 3 or 4 seconds. The dog
has to eat the treat, swallow it, complete the next task and be
ready for the next treat in that amount of time.

Personally, I use Authority Little Liver treats from Petsmart. They
are basically a soft kibble. Each kibble size chunk makes about 20
to 25 treats for me.

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[rawfeeding] Re: Starting 15 week old pup on raw

SOPHIA FALANA <fishinfrenzy333@...> wrote:

> Hi I am getting ready to bring home a 15 week old Malinois pup. How
should I start her out on raw?

Just like you'd start any dog, except you can probably introduce
variety a bit faster with a pup. Start by feeding 2-3% of expected
adult weight -- and for a high-energy dog like a Mal you might find
you need to go even higher than that -- spread over probably three
meals a day. Aim to feed a LOT of meat, some edible bone, and some
organs. Ultimately you'll want to feed a variety of parts from a
variety of critters. Initially, feeding a variety of parts from a
single type of critter will probably minimize everyone's start-up
stress.

Practically, this means you might buy whole chickens, whack them into
parts, and feed through those parts, then repeat. Feed the organ
bits that come inside the chicken, too. As you go you can start
adding pork, or beef, or lamb, or rabbit, or whatever you can find.
Before you know it you'll both be old pros!

HTH and please ask any other questions you have, or search our
archives -- pups are discussed here OFTEN, as are the general basics
of starting newbie dogs.

-- sandy & griffin

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[rawfeeding] Re: About fish oil ingredients (repost)

I'm wondering why so many people feed capsules instead of the liquid
oil? With the oil, you don't have to worry about ingredients in the
gel caps. I also heard that capsulation can cause the oil to go
rancid. I don't have sources on that at the moment, but if someone
is curious, I can look it up.

-Melissa W

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> I'm reposting this because I seemed to missed any response that was
> provided. Sorry about the intrustion. :(
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> My rottie Eleanor has hip displasia and I've been giving her about
> 7,000 mg of fish oil a day to help. But I just stocked up again on
> pills an noticed that I bought some with soy as an ingredient. Am I
> right in believing that the soy will negatively impact her joints?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your response. :)
>
> Sheryl Edelen
>

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[rawfeeding] need help new to list osto

I kept stalling putting the my dogs on raw but now our Saullie was
diagnosed with osto yesterday. he is going to be 11 aug 1.
he had major surgery on saturday on his broken leg (pins, rods, brace)
before we knew it was osto. it hasn't spread. we have opted not to do
amputation or chemo and want to go the natural raw route
i need to know today how much chicken we should feed him
he is about 75 lbs
thanks for any help you can give us
iris

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[rawfeeding] Re: Starting 15 week old pup on raw

Young pup? Start by feeding 2-3% of the expected ideal adult weight
split up into 3 meals per day. You can start with chicken, but pups
are usually good at incorporating variety pretty quickly. It's pretty
much the same with dogs as with cats, mostly meat, meaty bones, and
organs (80%,10%,10%). Puppies are fun to switch over!

Andrea

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> Hi I am getting ready to bring home a 15 week old Malinois pup. How
> should I start her out on raw? I had cats that I fed raw and it was
> great. Not sure about the pup though.

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[rawfeeding] Re: Very worried-- dog swallowed whole oxtail segment

I wouldn't worry too much about it. If it becomes a problem for him,
he'll probably kick it right back up. Of course, he'll probably
choose to do it right as you are in the middle of a good dream. If he
hasn't puked it up by mid morning, I would say he's digesting it ok.
You might see some undigested stuff in his poo later on, but I don't
think you need to worry about it causing an obstruction. If he starts
vomiting or acting really lethargic, you'll want to take him to the
vet, just to be safe.

I'm sure he'll be fine. Just think of this as a learning experience.
Let us know how he's doing, ok?

Andrea

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[rawfeeding] Re: Getting started

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>
> http://www.kaossiberians.com/rawfeeding.htm

Sandee,
I tried the above link and it no longer works. I searched around
and found the information on this link:

http://www.kaossiberians.com/old%20kaos%20pages/rawfeeding.htm

You
might want to adjust your info for future use. :)

To the peoople wondering how to switch, I suggest checking out my
web page at http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

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[rawfeeding] Re: Training and Treats

I don't know why my original reply to this never made it onto the
board, but I'll try again. For training my service dog I mainly use
praise. When I do use treats, however, I keep things raw but NOT messy
by providing small pieces of chicken or duck jerky and dried lamb
lung, all of which can be found at pet stores for reasonable prices.
Costco also carries large bags of chicken jerky for dogs that last for
several months and can be used to stuff kongs as well as for training.
Deb K.

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[rawfeeding] Re: DO I NEED TO ADD BONE OR MORE ORGAN?

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alliecaracleo"
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> Prob today is (trying to be tactful) she is dragging her
> tush on white carpet.

Denise,
Since she had this problem on kibble and now has it on a raw diet, I
would think that this is a problem unrelated to diet. You keep
wanting to make it otherwise but I just don't see any connection.

Have you seen the vet about this?

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[rawfeeding] Re: Feeling Frustrated and ready to give up Raw

I really needed this thread this morning. I've only been at it one
week, but in the last few days mealtimes have become tremendously
stressful for all of us (except the cats, who seem happy to eat
chicken with some organ meat here and there every day). My old lady,
Duchess, was the first to refuse her food. Then my old man,
Bandit--who had taken to raw as though it was manna--started fussing.
Finally, my seven-month-old puppy, Zach, began turning up his nose at
his food as well. To make matters worse, Zach is beginning to feel
his testosterone (he's getting neutered next week, thank God) and will
fight the other two over food even if he doesn't want it. After a
nasty brawl yesterday, Bandit wouldn't even go outside for his food
this morning and ended up refusing it when I tried to feed him in the
kitchen. The other two finally declined it as well--but not before
Zach and Duchess had a short tussle that ended with her falling of my
deck (which is not too far off the ground, thankfully). It's very
frustrating and upsetting, and this morning I was all set to say to
hell with it.

But then I thought to look here for comfort, and of course I found it.
Thank you.

Sarah

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[rawfeeding] Re: Very worried-- dog swallowed whole oxtail segment

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> I thought I'd try giving Sonny oxtail since I saw it at the
grocery
> store for the first time today. It came already cut up
> into segments,
> but I didn't think it would be an issue. However he just
> chewed some
> meat off then swallowed the rest WHOLE.

Julie,
He'll be ok, don't worry. Once the piece made it to his stomach,
anything to worry about was gone. His behavior is telling you not
to worry. The bone will digest in his stomach and you should never
see anymore of it.

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[rawfeeding] Re: DO I NEED TO ADD BONE OR MORE ORGAN?

Denise wrote:

>My 11 yr tabby indoor cat has been on raw for about 2wks. She got tired
>of chicken so I added pork country style rib in chunks as she doesnt do
>bones yet. Prob today is (trying to be tactful) she is dragging her
>tush on white carpet. Yes my white carpet in my bedroom where she
>stays. Going to get laminated wood when we have the money.
>
>She would do this before with kibble and I would give canned pumpkin.
>Confused as if she needs more fiber or from gizzard she ate? No big d
>just dragging. Not anal gland prob. Any good ideas welcomed. Give more
>bone? liver?

I wouldn't make any changes yet. What was her last stool like? When was it?
If you don't know, clean the litterbox immediately and keep an eye on it so
you know how long she goes without defecating.

You may wish to subscribe to the RawCat list, as this one is so dog-centric.

Lora
Evanston, IL

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