[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11832

There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: only salmon?
From: Jessie

2a. Hole in tooth with root/pulp showing
From: chele519
2b. Re: Hole in tooth with root/pulp showing
From: cypressbunny
2c. Re: Hole in tooth with root/pulp showing
From: chele519

3a. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
From: diannem200400
3b. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
From: Giselle
3c. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
From: jmwise80
3d. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
From: Giselle

4a. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
From: Laura Atkinson
4b. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
From: Giselle
4d. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
From: v.cassel

5a. Re: sources for salmonella, e.coli and other bacteria
From: Laura Atkinson
5b. Re: sources for salmonella, e.coli and other bacteria
From: emil smolensky

6a. Re: An unexpected benefit!
From: Heidi

7. What your dogs' vaccines REALLY are...
From: Jolene Nelson

8a. Re: two meals into feeding raw with so many questions!
From: carnesbill

9. Weak pasturns-Vitamine C??
From: Doguefan@aol.com

10a. Scrapple
From: Mary
10b. Re: Scrapple
From: Giselle

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1a. Re: only salmon?
Posted by: "Jessie" O_snobunnie_O@hotmail.com osnobunnieo
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

> >
> Is this vet by any chaqnce in Raleigh, NC?
>
> MP
>
Actually, yes. I take it you're familiar with her? Maybe you can
shed some light?

(sorry, I lost the thread a while back)

Jessie

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2a. Hole in tooth with root/pulp showing
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

I just noticed today that one of my dogs had some plaque on a couple
teeth on the left side. It also looks like there is a hole with
pulp/root showing thru. I can't see if it is more than a hole because
of the plaque. She must have stopped chewing on that side which
allowed the plaque to form and I watched her carefully tonight and she
won't chew bones on that side so it must be bothering her. It seems
from what I found online that the only options are root canal or
extraction. I just spent $800 for surgery for 2 aural hematomas. The
tooth may be covered by insurance, I have the accident/injury only
plan, but if not, I don't know what to do. I tried to take a picture
of the tooth earlier today to email to her homeopath and after a few
tries, she must have gotten frustrated. She kind of snapped at me and
grabbed my upper lip in her mouth. She has never done anything like
that before and I'm sure she didn't mean to hurt me but it scared the
crap out of me. I don't think I can take much more with this dog, I'm
really losing it and her constant problems are causing me depression
and anxiety issues not to mention the financial problems. If anyone
can offer me some good thoughts, I'd appreciate them right now.
Michele

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2b. Re: Hole in tooth with root/pulp showing
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:16 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chele519" <chele519@...> wrote:
>
> from what I found online that the only options are root canal or
> extraction.

*** Extraction is both better and cheaper.

> email to her homeopath and after a few
> tries, she must have gotten frustrated. She kind of snapped at me
>and grabbed my upper lip in her mouth.

*** If pulp is showing and she can't chew on that side, the tooth is
no doubt extremely painful, which is why she snapped at you. It is
also probably a maintaining cause that homeopathy cannot fix--the
tooth needs to come out.

--Carrie

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2c. Re: Hole in tooth with root/pulp showing
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:43 pm ((PDT))

One thing I read said it depends on the tooth, that canines are much
harder to extract and can cause problems with other teeth. I'm not
sure whether it is a canine or molar.

I don't blame her for snapping, I understand it, I'm just still
freaked out since she's never done that before and it was startling.
She did it while I was trying to take the pictures and it really kind
of scared me. I cried out and she backed away and cowered which is
what she does when she accidentally hurts me while playing.

She is eating meat on that side and she seemed to try to chew the bone
tonight but it was almost like she tried a little and thought better
of it and moved it to the other side. I'll take her in on Monday.
After thinking more about it, I think the insurance may actually cover
it because it isn't illness. It is an injury, imo.
Thanks
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cypressbunny" <cypressbunny@...>
wrote:
> *** Extraction is both better and cheaper.
> *** If pulp is showing and she can't chew on that side, the tooth is
> no doubt extremely painful, which is why she snapped at you. It is
> also probably a maintaining cause that homeopathy cannot fix--the
> tooth needs to come out.
>
> --Carrie
>

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3a. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:20 pm ((PDT))

Thanks again, Giselle! I'm on a mission to find different parts. I'd
love to see mine tackle a head of some critter. Isn't it fun to watch
the big guys and gals tear into a hefty piece of meat? You did post
Lis' list and I got great ideas from it.

Dianne M.
In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Hi, Dianne!
> My girl is 130lbs! ; ) She is a careful chewer, tho'
> Have you tried online? prey4pets, is one, there's others, too.
> I forget, did I post Lis' list of creative ways to source meats
> before? If not, let me know, and I will.

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3b. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:43 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Dianne!
Its fun to watch them all, littles and bigs!
Giselle

> Thanks again, Giselle! I'm on a mission to find different parts. I'd
> love to see mine tackle a head of some critter. Isn't it fun to watch
> the big guys and gals tear into a hefty piece of meat? You did post
> Lis' list and I got great ideas from it.
>
> Dianne M.

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3c. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:01 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
I forget, did I post Lis' list of creative ways to source meats
> before? If not, let me know, and I will.
> TC
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey

*******Could you post it anyways? I tried searching through the
archives and couldn't find it. I'm "searchily challenged".

I've got some beef spleen on the way and was wondering how much of it
to feed in relation to liver and kidney. Also lung, too.

I figured that since this topic was kinda about spleen that another
spleen related question would be ok to ask. By no means am I trying to
hijack the OP's thread.

Michael Wise

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3d. Re: Adequate variety/How to find spleen?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:15 am ((PDT))

Hi, Michael!
NP, Lis gave me an updated version of her list the other
day, with her blessings to post it when needed.
"Where do you look for meat suppliers?

Permission to repost from Lis

1) look up meat and poultry packers, processors, and distributors in
the yellow pages. You may be able to get great prices from them if
you order in bulk, and/or they may have a discount outlet that is
open to the public.
2) I get many of my best deals in Asian/Oriental markets. I've also
heard that Hispanic and Caribbean markets have great variety and
prices too.
3) you may be able to join a barter group.
4) Google breeders (i.e. rabbit, goat, lamb, etc.) who are in your
geographic area. They may have culls they want to get rid of, or
lower prices overall.
5) look up bulk suppliers and frozen bulk foods in your yellow pages.
6) if you have a Chinatown nearby, definitely make a visit.
7) let your friends, relatives, and neighbors know you want any
freezer burn or old meat when they clean out their freezers, and tell
them to pass the word along.
8) if you belong to a church or social group, tell those members to
mention it to their friends and relatives as well.
9) see if there are any co-ops or meat buying groups near you. Check
on Yahoo, or google to see.
10) try Craigslist - it's amazing what you can get for free or cheap.
11) and I get meat and fish all the time (for free) through
Freecycle. Join multiple lists if there are a few close by.
12) some Wal-marts and some Costcos and some Sams Clubs have good
deals, but you may want to make sure it's not seasoned meat.
13) definitely watch the the flyers, and you can usually see the rest
of the flyers online (the ones that don't get delivered to your house,
but are only a short drive away).
14) *** hands down, the bulk of my best deals have been marked down
meat at regular grocery stores. They reduce it the day before it is
going to expire, and I go as early as I can to get it before it is
gone.
15) tell friends and relatives who hunt and fish that you want first
dibs on any body parts they don't. You can probably get at least the
organs and maybe the head. Also ask them to put you in touch with
their other friends who hunt and fish.
16) a great tip I learned here a while back â€" some restaurants
throw out things they don't use, like the organs that come inside
whole poultry, or raw meat that falls on the floor. see if they'll
save them for you. Find somebody who knows somebody who works there.
17) farmer's markets are great, but pick and choose carefully for the
best bargains. and sometimes at the end of the day some vendors will
reduce their prices, cause they don't want to take it back with them.
18) some people contact taxidermists, who have no use for the meat.
19) find people on this list from your vicinity, and ask them where
they get their meat deals. Join other raw feeding lists (there are
many), and ask if there are other raw feeders in your area.
20) tell your butcher you want the meat that they would normally
throw out, that is almost out of date, that people ordered and didn't
pick up, stuff that was dropped on the floor, their freezer
cleanouts, and parts that don't sell (like trachea, lungs, spleen,
etc.). Some butchers will save their trim for you (once they get to
know you). Build a relationship with them first.
21) yes, roadkill works too (where it is legal). In some places you
can get your name on the list and get called when they have large
roadkill (like deer)
22) you can raise your own meat/poultry if you have the room
23) post a message in CarnivoreFeed-Supplier or CFS-Canada if you are
in North America:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS-Canada/
24) speak to local farmers
25) also look for heart, tongue, and gizzards which count as meat (as
opposed to organ) in the world of raw feeding, but are often cheaper
than other muscle meats
26) find somebody who knows somebody who works at the grocery store.
They can introduce you to the meat guy, who may become more willing
to save stuff for you or reduce items about to expire, once they know
you.
27) check the internet. Some suppliers have affordable prices, even
after shipping costs are calculated.

Lis"

With organs, its better to feed tiny bits with a meal, and gradually
increase the amount over time. Some people eventually feed entire
meals of organs, but OPs dogs don't tolerate that much at a time.

Only 10% of the diet needs to be organ, with half of that liver, over
time, so no need to add tons.

I divide organs up into 2 oz size disposable/reusable plastic
containers, freeze, and feed a couple times a week. My girl is big,
130 lbs, so I would feed a smaller dog a lot less.

Squidgy ick organs are generally the ones to watch, as they are the
ones that usually cause loose or runny stools in large amounts.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> *******Could you post it anyways? I tried searching through the
> archives and couldn't find it. I'm "searchily challenged".
>
> I've got some beef spleen on the way and was wondering how much of it
> to feed in relation to liver and kidney. Also lung, too.
>
> I figured that since this topic was kinda about spleen that another
> spleen related question would be ok to ask. By no means am I trying to
> hijack the OP's thread.
>
> Michael Wise
>

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4a. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:42 pm ((PDT))

You forgot never spit into the wind <g> Other than that, I think you
covered everything.

Puppyhood is SO fleeting...every day is special.

On 7/21/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In terms of money, don't buy lots and lots of untried food. When you
> are experimenting with a new protein source, buy just a few meals
> worth lest you wind up with a freezer full of useless stuff. Shop
> smart, don't get stuck in a rut, never eat a at place called "Mom",
> never play cards with a man named "Doc" and remember to breathe.
> Chris O
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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4b. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

"Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...> wrote:
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> You forgot never spit into the wind <g> Other than that, I think you
> covered everything.
*****
No, I left out the last "don't" of triad I was citing, mostly because
it's more ot than the others and is, um, NFBSK*.

"Never spit in the wind" is more socially acceptable. Thanks for that.
Chris O

*Not For British School Kids

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4c. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:38 pm ((PDT))

MOT
I thought it was "Never eat yellow snow." ; )
Giselle

> "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@> wrote:
> >
> > You forgot never spit into the wind <g> Other than that, I think you
> > covered everything.
> *****
> No, I left out the last "don't" of triad I was citing, mostly because
> it's more ot than the others and is, um, NFBSK*.
>
> "Never spit in the wind" is more socially acceptable. Thanks for that.
> Chris O

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4d. Re: New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
Posted by: "v.cassel" vcassel.lists@gmail.com vcassel
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:57 pm ((PDT))

I've always heard it's "Don't fry bacon in the nude".

:p

Virginia in Milwaukee

Giselle wrote:
> MOT
> I thought it was "Never eat yellow snow." ; )
> Giselle
>

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5a. Re: sources for salmonella, e.coli and other bacteria
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:45 pm ((PDT))

Is she saying we're not credible? <grin>

These guys have eaten stuff that I left out to thaw too long, I rinsed
it ('cause the smell was killing ME) and they ate like it was the
finest of offerings.

I keep meet in the fridge, in its own drawer for the dogs. Leaving
the bags open it tends to dry up a little..but that's SO much better
than the wet, smelly stuff.

On 7/21/07, esmolensky <esmolensky@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys, I need your help please with my wife.
> I'm trying to convince my wife on raw-feeding and thinks it's not a
> good idea. Although I do feed raw once a day and K**** for the other
> meal. I know this is wrong, but for right now I don't have a choice. I
> don't have a seperate freezer or room for one yet. She says she doesn't
> want meat to be in the fridge after the initial couple of days or so.
> I tell her as long as it's covered it should be no problem. Also she
> doesn't believe a dog can handle ripe food or older meat. Are there any
> credible, factual sources out there that I can give her to read so
> she'll believe? I'm almost at a point of going to the old fashioned
> library and research this further. It would help a great deal if I
> didn't have to do that. I hope your wisdom will put me in the right
> direction.
>
> thank you all!

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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5b. Re: sources for salmonella, e.coli and other bacteria
Posted by: "emil smolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:22 am ((PDT))

I don't really know the reasoning behind it. maybe she just wants to win this arguement and she doesn't put much faith into real people. She wants evidence from vets or biologists.

EMIL

----- Original Message ----
From: Laura Atkinson <llatkinson@gmail.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:45:46 PM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] sources for salmonella, e.coli and other bacteria

Is she saying we're not credible? <grin>

These guys have eaten stuff that I left out to thaw too long, I rinsed
it ('cause the smell was killing ME) and they ate like it was the
finest of offerings.

I keep meet in the fridge, in its own drawer for the dogs. Leaving
the bags open it tends to dry up a little..but that's SO much better
than the wet, smelly stuff.

On 7/21/07, esmolensky <esmolensky@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys, I need your help please with my wife.
> I'm trying to convince my wife on raw-feeding and thinks it's not a
> good idea. Although I do feed raw once a day and K**** for the other
> meal. I know this is wrong, but for right now I don't have a choice. I
> don't have a seperate freezer or room for one yet. She says she doesn't
> want meat to be in the fridge after the initial couple of days or so.
> I tell her as long as it's covered it should be no problem. Also she
> doesn't believe a dog can handle ripe food or older meat. Are there any
> credible, factual sources out there that I can give her to read so
> she'll believe? I'm almost at a point of going to the old fashioned
> library and research this further. It would help a great deal if I
> didn't have to do that. I hope your wisdom will put me in the right
> direction.
>
> thank you all!

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossibe rians.com

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6a. Re: An unexpected benefit!
Posted by: "Heidi" troopob@yahoo.com troopob
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:36 pm ((PDT))

Kathleen,
I have an older corgi who had accidents. He drinks a lot of water I
think due to the Phenobarital he has to take for seizures. When he
was on kibble, he drank HUGE amounts of water and then couldn't
always hold it. Now he drinks much less water and is doing much
better with the accidents. I wonder if the same could be true for
your boy - less water, less pressure? there's lots of fluid in the
food we are feeding now.
Heidi

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kjdaughtridge"
<kjdaughtridge@...> wrote:
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> I've been raw feeding my two dogs for about 4 weeks now. My
greyhound
> has incontinence due to urethral sphincter mechanism incompetence
(he
> leaks when he's asleep). Well, after about 2 weeks or so on raw,
he
> has stopped leaking! I am overjoyed to say the least. But I am
curious
> as to a scientific explanation for how a raw diet could help this
> condition.(I was never very good at biology.)I'd love to hear
> everyone's thoughts. Is this cause & effect?
>
> --Kathleen D.
>

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7. What your dogs' vaccines REALLY are...
Posted by: "Jolene Nelson" imperial_bloodlines@yahoo.com imperial_bloodlines
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:57 pm ((PDT))

Fairly long read but good for anyone who may be interested in the whole vaccination process and what it really does and doesn't do....

Also may explain some questions some of you may have...

(I've lost a dog to routine puppy vaccines so this is very real)

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html

Jo

Jolene Nelson
I'm a proud Raw Bully owner!
Imperial Bulldoggs

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8a. Re: two meals into feeding raw with so many questions!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:59 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Theodosia Pulitzer
<tpulitzer@...> wrote:
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> After the six week elimination diet of cooked
> turkey and sweet potatoe we introduced other foods.

A few thoughts here. First, you can't properly conduct an
elimination diet in 6 weeks. Second, an elimination diet should
have only one food. I will explain elimination diets shortly.
Third, I don't believe your dog is alergic to chicken, lamb and
salmon. It's possible that, though probably not, he is alergic to
one of them but I can't see all of them. Fourth, althought he may
have shown allergic symptoms to some cooked or otherwise processed
foods, he probably is not allergic to any raw meat, bones, or
organs. This is what their bodies are designed to digest and it's
rare for a dog to be alergic to any species appropriate food.

Let me explain how to conduct a proper elimination diet. First,
pick a prey aniaml. It could be chicken, turkey, pork, beef, lamb
or whatever. This part is not real critical. It must be something
you can afford and can find enough of it to feed daily for 2
months. It also must be fed raw. Lets use chicken in this example.

For two months feed your dog chicken. Nothing but chicken. Not one
single other thing. Two solid months of chicken. No treats,
snacks, no nothing that didn't come from the body of a chicken. It
really doesn't mean no treats or snacks. It means ONLY pieces of
chicken for treats or snacks. Nothing that didn't come from the
body of a chicken enters this dogs body for two months. It's
critical ... not one little thing. No supplements, no nothing.

At the end of two months one of two things will happen. Either the
allergic symptoms will disappear or they won't. If the symptoms
disappear, gradually add different protein sources into the diet
very very slowly. Like one new protein source every two or three
weeks. When the symptoms return, the last added protein source is
the culprit.

If they don't disappear, for the next two months feed anything you
want to EXCEPT chicken. NOTHING from the body of a chicken will
enter this dogs mouth for two months. Again, at the end of the 2nd
two month period one of two things will have happened. Either he
has sypmtoms or he doesn't.

If the symptoms went away, your dog is allergic to chicken. If they
are still there, he may have an allergy but NOT a food allergy.
This is the proper way to run an elimination test. Its not an easy
process. I went through it with one of my Goldens one time.

> Do
> you think this throwing up is normal part of the transition?

It's not unusual for newly switched dogs to throw up. Sometimes it
happens frequently with a particular dog but the frequency will
diminish as she gets used to digesting bone and learns how to
properly chew.

> When
> should I get worried (already am a bit).

Don't worry. It's pretty normal.

> During the food trials Stanley was very allergic to
> cooked chicken,
> lamb and salmon. Should I assume that he is also allergic
> to these
> same foods raw?

No, he's probably not allergic to any of them in the raw state.

> Because of this assumption I am starting with turkey
> (but now I am thinking maybe he is allergic to turkey after a
> fit of
> scrathing last night:( .

What are you feeding besides turkey?

> I am hoping pork will be good too, he
> has never ever had it. Does anyone who has animals with allergies
> have any advice on this?

When I ran the elimination diet with my dog, I used pork. Mostly
pork neck and pork roasts.

> Do you provide anything else in the diet?

No nothing. If you are running an elimination diet, you can't feed
anything else at all ever in any form.

> I
> am afraid if I just give pork and beef there won't be
> enough edible
> bone in the diet.

Don't feed both, only one. Pork should not be a problem with edible
bone

> Do you know parts of these animals that have good
> bones for them to eat?

In general pork bones are pretty soft and not a problem to eat.
Remember you don't need a lot of bone.

> I want to supplement with fish oils too but I
> am afraid because of the salmon allergy this might be bad too.

No supplements during the test. Not because of the supposed salmon
allergy but because you only want one protein source the first 2
months.

> Also my vet suggested
> giving ester-C regularly because it acts like a homeopathic anti-
> histamine.

No ... dog's don't need vitamin C. They manufacture vitamin C
internally in their liver. They make what they need. Any excess is
exreeted through the kidneys so if you supplement with vitamin C,
you are merely creating expensive pee.

> If I go in two week
> intervals with all of these "options" and test it could take
> me two
> years experimenting with all of these things...

Any food allergy test should take at least two months. Use my
method and 4 months will be the maximum.

> Third question: are there turkey organs you can feed?

Don't worry about organs for now. They are essential items to have
in the diet but it won't hurt your dogs to go a couple of months
without them.

> I do a lot of training in agility and obedience. Do you have
> suggestions for very motivating raw treats?

For the first two months you are limited to pieces of meat from
whichever animal you choose to feed for that period.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9. Weak pasturns-Vitamine C??
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:59 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone.? I have an 8 month old Dogue de bordeaux who I has been fed raw her whole life.? She seems to be growing up great on it, but just in the last few weeks she looks a little weak on her pasturns and her once very big tight feet, also look a little splayed.? This could be me being very picky about a very pretty pup, but I was told that this could happen if she is lacking Vitamine C.? I imagine she could also just?be going through a growth spurt seeing that her but is about 5 inches higher then her front right now! ;)? ?I have just started really increasing variety, picked up my first co-op order today? with all sorts of good stuff, but she has been getting chicken breasts, chicken quarters, chicken organs, beef heart, lamb, beef trim, and an??occasional trachea and canned salmon.? I now feed fish regularly.?
Is there something I should be giving her in particular that is high in Vitamone C?? Should I supplement with it for a while and see how she does?? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!? Thanks in advance, these groups are great!

Chelsea
www.bruinbordeaux.com

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10a. Scrapple
Posted by: "Mary" halle4@comcast.net hallebest
Date: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:01 am ((PDT))

I see scrapple all over the place in butcher shops, is there any value in it
for our dogs?

One other question if I may...what would you all recommend be the top 3
meats (including fish) we feed our dogs if we could only get our hands on 3?

Will be interesting to hear, thanks!

Mary Smallwood
halle4@comcast.net

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10b. Re: Scrapple
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:02 am ((PDT))

Hi, Mary!
Wiki says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple
Its a regional thing, OK for people that like it, but cooked, and not
appropriate for dogs.
This is a wish list? Or the most common affordable/obtainable?
top 3 - what I feed now
chicken
pork
beef

top 3 - wish list
rabbit
goat
lamb

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I see scrapple all over the place in butcher shops, is there any
value in it
> for our dogs?
>
> One other question if I may...what would you all recommend be the top 3
> meats (including fish) we feed our dogs if we could only get our
hands on 3?
>
> Will be interesting to hear, thanks!
>
>
> Mary Smallwood
> halle4@...
>

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