[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12037

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Get it and freeze it?
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
1b. Re: Get it and freeze it?
From: Kaitlin Fraser

2a. Re: pregnancy diet
From: Tina Berry

3. Worried about a possible blockage?
From: rosielefty

4a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)
4b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Renate

5a. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5b. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5c. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5d. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5e. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5f. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5g. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod
5h. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5i. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: cypressbunny
5j. Re: Ostrich Egg
From: Susanne MacLeod

6a. Re: Zachary doesn't want to eat today
From: Mia-Shay Emery

7. I need help starting a Raw diet for my Rottweiler
From: Jenn

8a. Re: Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: Morledzep@aol.com

9a. raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
From: spricketysprock
9b. Re: raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
From: Dave Brown

10a. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
From: darkstardog

11a. About Chicken
From: Renate
11b. Re: About Chicken
From: Dave Brown
11c. Re: About Chicken
From: Morledzep@aol.com

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1a. Re: Get it and freeze it?
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

Buy it, freeze it, thaw it, freeze it again, thaw it, freeze it again, thaw it again, freeze it again, thaw it again, and again, and again, it's fine, and fine again,:)
Your dog can handle it once you get over it. ALWAYS GET MEAT ON SALE, always.... and the more the better. And find a great freezer too:)
Freezer burn meat from friends who clean out their freezers is great too, they can't eat it but your dog could, easily! And they should give it to you for free too! It smells, but the dogs do fine with it. You'll see. Trust in the meat, and your dogs, it's a wonderful thing.
Jeni

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1b. Re: Get it and freeze it?
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:34 pm ((PDT))

I've always done short term freezing... like chicken I buy it 20pounds...
and it lasts about a month... I have a deep freezer to myself . But where
this was about 81 pounds it would be lasting a while... but so long as it
can't harm anything!. I shall call tomorrow.

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC PTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

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2a. Re: pregnancy diet
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:58 pm ((PDT))

"She did prefer more softer food items (organs, tripe, ground trachea)late
in the pregnancy. Last litter she
easily delivered 3 nice healthy pups who gained daily and who weaned to raw.
I also add fish oil to my dogs food."

Ditto. I feed what I normally would feed until a couple of weeks before
whelping - then no more bone and more organs (that's what they will usually
crave) but everything else I kept the same.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
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3. Worried about a possible blockage?
Posted by: "rosielefty" rosielefty@yahoo.com rosielefty
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:13 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,
I am new to the site. I read a lot of your messages and read about
raw feeding on the internet. I also bought "Raw Dog Food Make It Easy
For You and Your Dog" by Carina Beth MacDonal. So I don't know enough
yet I am sure. Anyway, I have two Cattle dogs. One is 9 yrs and one is
5 yrs. I have been raw feeding for about four weeks and it has been
rocky. First she didn't want to eat and now possible constipation with
the 5 yr old. The 9 yr old has allergies to everything and he is the
reason I began raw feeding. He likes the meat but has had loose
stools, gas, burping and now very loose stools with very small firmer
peices at the end. I did a really stupid thing. I wasn't sure which
bones were okay and I fed some beef ribs with 1 inch bones. He ate
about three of the bones and now I am very afraid one may be stuck. He
eats some but not enthusiastically. He vomited two nights ago but not
since. Does anyone have any input? Thanks in advance, Beth

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4a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:23 pm ((PDT))

My Toy Poodle sometimes has long hair and sometimes short - depends
entirely on whether the groomer can take her when it's convenient for me
to deliver her.

She never has any bad odor from rawfeeding, or from any other source. In
fact, au contraire - I am frequently asked why Molly smells so good.
Poobably this has something to do with the fact that she gets picked up
a lot, since she's so tiny. She's right up there by the person's nose.

Also, her breath is fresh as a daisy. Even her mean Auntie Jean, who is
dead set against rawfeeding and has two Toy Poodles of her own (who get
the cheapest k**ble on sale) confesses that Molly's breath smells fresh
all the time, while Jean's two dogs' breath could fell an ox at fifty
paces. You'd think she'd figure it out.

Carolyn J. Garnaas and Molly Toy Poodle, Fragrant and Fresh like Flower

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4b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

I want to thank everyone that has reassured me re the smelly mess issue.
Jenny, I love your doggy napkin film clip - so cute. Cathy I feel for you
having to pick up - we're rural and have a woodlot beside us that I walk
everyone in but I have 2 fosters with the runnies and the smellies. It's
bad enough cleaning up after them in the house - at least I can use a mop.
The snood, bib, and hair clip ideas are great. So I guess I'd better get to
finding raw sources - should be easy, there's a butcher/abbatoir that is
really great - they've been slicing up marrow bones to 1-1/2 inch chunks for
my tzus so I guess that's my first stop.

--
Renate
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5a. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:50 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 9:21:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
suzmacleod@rogers.com writes:

I went to pick up my Ostrich Necks yesterday from my Ostrich lady and
she gave me an Ostrich Egg, Have any of you guys ever fed this. It's
almost a big as a football. Huge for my 2 Frenchies! LOL

Suz,

Yep.. the dogs like ostrich eggs.. but they all had kinda sloppy poop the
next day. Ostrich eggs are yummy.. make an omellette, you won't regret it, and
your dogs won't make a mess.. lol.

Catherine R.

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5b. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:51 pm ((PDT))

I never thought of that Chris!! Thats a super idea...you wanna see
this things - massive!!!!!LOL Can you imagine thesize of the quiche
it would make!!!!

Suz Kate and Joey
Thank-you all for your responses!

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5c. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:52 pm ((PDT))

> hehehe....I'm jealous, here. Trying to visualize my Yorkie with an
Ostrich neck <smile>.
>
My Frenchies LOVE the Ostrich neck - they are perefct sized RMB, just
enough meat vs bone. And the bone is quite porous, so they can a good
workout, a great teeth cleaning but not nearly as tough as a lot of
other bones. The meat is gorgeous too. A nice deep red, fresh
meat.....and they are all naturally raised! Perfect for the kiddies!!!

Suz Kate and Joey
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>

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5d. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:55 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 12:30:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mom2moz@yahoo.com writes:

I'd just crack the egg, and see what they do with it. Be ready to follow up
with bath!

****how would you just crack the egg? Ostrich egg shells are THICK.. they
are almost impossible to crack. you have to drill a hole in either end and blow
the contents out. And once the shell is empty folks will pay money for them,
i see no need to break the shell and throw away money.

Catherine R.

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5e. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:34 pm ((PDT))

> Thats exactly what the lady told me. I have to drill a hole...this
thing is sooo cool. And HEAVY!!!! I'm gonna let my neighbour do it.
Then she said rinse the egg shell out with some bleach and water, let
it dry, and make crafts with the egg. People pay up to $50 for an egg
shell!!!!!I'm gonna make a French Bulldog out of my egg LOl.
I love Chris's idea though about the ice cube tray. In the summer I
often make meatsicles for them. Pieces of meat with a bit of water,
and their great treats on a hot day. Would you guys scarmble the eggs
first before freezing, or just good 'ol raw.
Suz Kate and Joey
>
> ****how would you just crack the egg? Ostrich egg shells are
THICK.. they
> are almost impossible to crack. you have to drill a hole in either
end and blow
> the contents out. And once the shell is empty folks will pay money
for them,
> i see no need to break the shell and throw away money.

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5f. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 2:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
suzmacleod@rogers.com writes:

Would you guys scarmble the eggs
first before freezing, or just good 'ol raw.

Suz,

if you're intent on feeding the egg to the dogs.. whip it up (like you're
going to scramble and cook them) and freeze in ice cube trays, but do not cook it.

IF you take my suggestion and just make yourself an omellette.. you will of
course be cooking it.

Catherine R.

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5g. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Catherine!!!!!If you weren't so far...I'
d have ya over fro brunch!LOL
Suz Kate and Joey

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5h. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:32 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 4:08:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
suzmacleod@rogers.com writes:

Thanks Catherine!!!!!If you weren't so far...I'
d have ya over fro brunch!LOL

Suz,

aren't you in the Great Pacific Northwest? i applied for a supervisor job
just north of Seattle.. might be sooner than you think!!! lol


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5i. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:34 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...>
wrote:
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> If you weren't so far...I'
> d have ya over fro brunch!LOL

*** There's a local place here that serves 12 egg omlettes, and if you
finish the whole thing it is free. I think you could do something
similiar with your one egg!

--Carrie

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5j. Re: Ostrich Egg
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:58 pm ((PDT))

> *** There's a local place here that serves 12 egg omlettes, and if
you
> finish the whole thing it is free. I think you could do something
> similiar with your one egg!

I love it!!! Apparently the egg is equivalent to 24 chicken
eggs.....doing a bit of reasearch!!

Suz Kate and Joey

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6a. Re: Zachary doesn't want to eat today
Posted by: "Mia-Shay Emery" briarbaby_04@yahoo.com briarbaby_04
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:53 pm ((PDT))

<Mia,>
<Sounds like you're doing fine. I wouldn't worry about any bacteria, but you don't need to> <leave the food out so long, if he's not eating it in about 15 minutes, put it away, just> <because.>

Ok. Thanks! I wasn't sure. I saw that some people did that if their dog was refusing the new diet and I haven't had that problem with Zachary so far.

<Depending on the size of dog you have (for 4-6 cups of chicken) and how old he is,>

Zachary is an Afghan Hound and he turned seven on the ninth of this month.

<he might not need three feedings a day anymore. You could easily back him off to two> <now, since he is kind of telling you he's not interested in that other feeding.>

He's underweight, so I've been giving him as much as he wanted. He's only been on raw for about a week now and the improvement is obvious.

<Sounds like you have a very smart dog on your hands:)>

He's brilliant! He comes in and 'asks' for food and water, (nudges me and walks to the offending dish) and rings the chimes on the back door when he wants out, if I don't hear the chimes he comes to the front door and woofs politely until I let him out, (polite woofing is a quiet "oof" and a long pause before another "oof")

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7. I need help starting a Raw diet for my Rottweiler
Posted by: "Jenn" jamyers@swampfoxpc.com rdnckgrl83
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:12 pm ((PDT))

I am wanting to start a raw diet for my 4 year old rottweiler. I have
been reading some things, but am at a loss for where to start. We are
currently feeding her Canidae dry dog food. I also have a 1 year old
cat and 2 ferrets one who is 4 and one that is 1yr old. Any help on
starting the raw diet would be extremely helpful. Thanks in advance.
Jenn Myers

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8a. Re: Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:15 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/13/2007 7:23:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
christyb@cox.net writes:

I am very curious about this since I just paid a pretty penny for a
whole (head, guts, hide & wool!) grass fed sheep?

Christy,

Sheepskin is wonderful stuff and worth $$$. Here again, like with the
ostrich eggs.. i don't see a need to feed money to my dogs.. whether the wool is
edible or digestable or not, which i believe it is not.

Catherine R.

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9a. raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone,
It's evident enough why dogs would eat only meat, but I'm wondering
what the benefits are for raw vs. cooked. Is it just for the edible
bones or are there "enzymes" I've heard of that are so beneficial? If
so, what are they exactly?!

Also, I would like to post what my dog typically eats, just to make
sure I'm not doing something terribly wrong:

whole chicken in the morning, ground beef in the evening (I've yet to
find cheap whole cuts of beef!!)
chicken and beef hearts
chicken and beef liver
whole fish, usually mackeral, a couple times a week (I'm trying to
work in more as his digestive system can keep up with it)

I generally feed enough bone so that he poops regularly. Should that
be adequate to ensure a proper calcium-phosphorous ratio or should I
be more diligent?

Is that an adequate diet? I'm afraid to introduce pork, I've heard too
many horror stories, and don't have much access to other cuts of meat
that are reasonably priced. (Buffalo, lamb, and goat, for example, are
quite expensive.)

My dog is around 65 lbs, 10.5 yrs, a shepherd mix. I would REALLY
appreciate it if someone could tell me just how much liver he should
be getting... I have a feeling I'm not feeding nearly enough (one palm-
sized piece every 3 weeks or so) but I'm afraid to feed too much
because I heard too much vit. A is toxic.

Also, I'm wondering if anyone on this group are long-time veterans of
raw feeding, and how your dogs have responded to it. Anyone here feed
raw to a pup through old age?

I'm loving this group, thanks so much everyone!!

Jessica and Toby

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9b. Re: raw vs. cooked / other newbie questions
Posted by: "Dave Brown" quahog@netnet.net quahogwi
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:20 pm ((PDT))

At 06:34 PM 9/14/2007, you wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>It's evident enough why dogs would eat only meat, but I'm wondering
>what the benefits are for raw vs. cooked. Is it just for the edible
>bones or are there "enzymes" I've heard of that are so beneficial? If
>so, what are they exactly?!

For one, cooking alters or even completely destroys the natural
enzymes found in the raw meat. Dogs utilize these enzymes in various
ways from simple digestion to internal health and growth.

Dave Brown
Green Bay, WI

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10a. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, schreierlori@... wrote:
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>
>
> Hi,
> I am new to the group and not yet feeding raw. I was just told 2
weeks >ago that my dog (10 year old shep/hound mix) has kidney failure.

You also might read this post:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139714

Marty

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11a. About Chicken
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:33 pm ((PDT))

It seems like most of you are buying supermarket chicken. What about using
year-old layers that are being replaced at egg farms? I know for people the
meat is tougher (they are sold as soup birds), but does that matter to a
dog? There would be less fat, which I assume would be good? Would the
bones be harder? What do you think? Or should I just stick with the
supermarket/butcher shop?

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11b. Re: About Chicken
Posted by: "Dave Brown" quahog@netnet.net quahogwi
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:57 pm ((PDT))

If you can get fowl instead of roaster/broiler/fryers, then by all means do so.

Dave Brown
Green Bay, WI

At 07:31 PM 9/14/2007, you wrote:

>What about using
>year-old layers that are being replaced at egg farms?

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11c. Re: About Chicken
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:27 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/14/2007 4:34:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
renate.tideswell@gmail.com writes:

What about using
year-old layers that are being replaced at egg farms? I know for people the
meat is tougher (they are sold as soup birds), but does that matter to a
dog?

Renate,

if you can get the culled layers for less than you can buy fryers in the
grocery store go for it.. dogs won't care.. and how tough the bones are is NOT an
issue.. no matter how old the chicken is, the bones can never get too tough
for a dog to eat.

They will still most likely have a kinda lopsided meat/bone ratio like
grocery store birds do, but that is easily remedied with added meat.

Catherine R.

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