[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12032

There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Time for a trip to the vet?
From: Sonja
1b. Re: Time for a trip to the vet?
From: Andrea
1c. Re: Time for a trip to the vet?
From: Sonja
1d. Re: Time for a trip to the vet?
From: Laurie Swanson

2a. Re: Whole Mackeral
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: eating 4 day old buried meaty bone?
From: costrowski75
3b. Re: eating 4 day old buried meaty bone?
From: katkellm

4a. Re: need help with raw feeding my siberian huskies - Enjoy the ride
From: mrskheath

5a. Growing your own "raw food"
From: Marcella Burgess
5b. Re: Growing your own "raw food"
From: Kaitlin Fraser

6. Re: puppy coughing.
From: Karen R

7. Newbie looking for Co-ops
From: Tracy Touzjian

8. Fresh, Raw Trachea
From: halojo45

9a. breed specific
From: Vickie
9b. Re: breed specific
From: Tina Berry

10. wrong link for blogger
From: rosebudsgranny

11. Raw Food Nazi
From: Susanne MacLeod

12a. Re: fish???eggs???
From: linoleum5017
12b. Re: fish???eggs???
From: doreenchui

13a. Re: My senior dog has been on raw a week
From: delcaste

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1a. Time for a trip to the vet?
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:34 pm ((PDT))

We haven't changed any proteins in Kodie's diet and she's had diarrhea for the past three days. I fasted her for a day and have been giving her Slippery Elm, but nothing seems to help. So far (knock on wood) there have been no accidents in the house despite the fact she's inside for up for 8-9 hours a day. She's drinking water, not vomiting, has a normal labby appetite. I have been giving her more meat and less bone lately, but would that really cause liquid diarrhea? Was one day of fasting enough?

Thanks...

Sonja

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1b. Re: Time for a trip to the vet?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:11 pm ((PDT))

Are you sure you aren't feeding too much? Try feeding a couple of days
of smaller than usual meals. Instead of feeding meatier meals I would
feed more bone to try and get things under control. As long as she is
drinking fine and her energy is ok I would think the problem is handler
error. You might take a stool sample in and see if she has any
parasites, though.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sonja" <ladyver@...> wrote:
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> We haven't changed any proteins in Kodie's diet and she's had
diarrhea for the past three days. I fasted her for a day and have been
giving her Slippery Elm, but nothing seems to help.

> She's drinking water, not vomiting, has a normal labby appetite. I
have been giving her more meat and less bone lately

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1c. Re: Time for a trip to the vet?
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 pm ((PDT))

I was feeding roughly 10oz in the morning and 10oz at night for a 55-60lb lab, but she's been getting this amount for months and it maintains her weight nicely.

I fed her two turkey necks (one AM one PM) to clear it up but it had a minimal effect. Can I give her only turkey necks for a few days in a row? I thought it would be way too much bone....

Sonja

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1d. Re: Time for a trip to the vet?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi Sonja,

Is there anything that could be causing her stress lately? That
combined with less bone could do it. Or, like someone else said, maybe
too much food per meal or per day? Did you give organs in the last few
days?

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sonja" <ladyver@...> wrote:
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> We haven't changed any proteins in Kodie's diet and she's had
diarrhea for the past three days.

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2a. Re: Whole Mackeral
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

"pierrenali" <sandihunt@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone feed whole Mackeral as opposed to canned?
*****
Yes.
There are many varieties of mackerel, most of which are okay to feed.
King Mackerel is on the "high mercury levels" list but you should not
have trouble finding others. My dogs sometimes like blue mackerel or
baby bonita which I have been told is a mackerel but I'm not sure.
They don't always like whole mackerel but then they don't always like
canned mackerel either.

How about Salmon
> heads?
*****
Oh yes. When they are available at a good price I feed them often.
Since availability ebbs and wanes, they are a seasonal food for my dogs.

Do fish
> bones (raw) carry any more risk than other bones?
*****
No.

> What other fish with or without bones (please specify) is reasonable?
*****
"Reasonable" depends on where you are and how much you want to spend.
for me, a dollar a pound is reasonable. Sardines are a hit here,
Tilipia is a dud. Many people feed catfish, here it's a dud. Smelt is
a possibiity.

Some dogs like fish, some don't; some fish is more likeable than other
fish. If you are looking to feed fish for Omega 3, buy salmon, trout,
sardines, herring, anchovies, mackerel and other dark-fleshed, oily
fish from cold marine water. Warm water fish generally do not offer
Omega 3. Farmed fish offer less Omega 3 than wild caught fish.
Chilean salmon are arguably the most healthy; Chilean seabass isn't sea
bass and is on the endangered list. So is Orange Roughy and real Red
Snapper. Oh, grouper I think is also endangered now.

Oy. Fish, to me, is hardly worth the effort. I think you should just
try some and see what happens.
Chris O

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3a. Re: eating 4 day old buried meaty bone?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:48 pm ((PDT))

"quiltingtuppy" <mamacass@...> wrote:
> This has a high ewwwww factor for me!, what do folk think about
allowing my puppy to eat
> stuff he's saved for (much) later buried in the ground? He seems to
think it's great!
*****
If he thinks it's great, great. It's not likely to harm him and
heck, it's not you doing the eating. Often this stashing is a sign
of overfeeding, so if you'd like to see it stop naturally, try
feeding less.

(we're only 6 weeks into raw feeding here and loving it - why isn't
this standard
> practice given a dog's dentition?!)
*****
Now, THAT is a good question. Why not indeed?

I was thinking seeing as this has to be instinctive for him, I
> should trust his doggie wisdom?
*****
Unless he's burying it in a slag heap or someplace equally dreadful
(around which he ought not be playing anyway), or unless the treasure
will attract fire ants or rodents or other unwanted wildlife, I think
you should trust his doggie instincts.
Chris O

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3b. Re: eating 4 day old buried meaty bone?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "quiltingtuppy" <mamacass@...> wrote:
> This has a high ewwwww factor for me!, what do folk think about
allowing my puppy to eat
> stuff he's saved for (much) later buried in the ground? He seems to
think it's great!

Hi Stephanie,
It is fine to let him eat it. One of my dogs will sometimes bury her
food when i feed big meals, and when she digs it up we can smell her
coming before we can see her. I'm sure my other two dogs think she has
magical powers because she disappears into the woods and then returns
with food. KathyM

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4a. Re: need help with raw feeding my siberian huskies - Enjoy the ride
Posted by: "mrskheath" mrskheath@yahoo.co.uk mrskheath
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:11 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ss_il" <ss_il@...> wrote:
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> Hi and welcome,
>
My Allie is supposedly somewhere between 5 and a half
> and 6 years old - I found her at the SPCA with no history and her age
> was the vets best guess - and when asked her age by other dog owners
> who watch her play for a bit, I answer 5 and a half, and more often
> than not, people come back with.... get this... "Months or Years?"
>
> Enjoy the ride,
>
> Steve and Allie

>I so enjoyed your post I had to read it out to everyone in the room lol
Where are you based?
Thanks for the tips! please send me pics of your girls

Karlene

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5a. Growing your own "raw food"
Posted by: "Marcella Burgess" proudfootkennels@sympatico.ca marciongrass
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:11 pm ((PDT))

Hi again,

I was wondering if anyone on the list actually "grows" anything that is within their dog's diet, like rabbits, or chickens?
If so.... what do you have to do in order to raise a 'dog friendly' and safe food? Obviously no vaccinations but is there anything else?
The reason that I am asking this is that due to my locale, finding half decent deals on large quantities of meat is next to impossible, as we are right smack dab in the middle of cottage country where everything price wise is jacked up due to the tourism here!

Any advice would be much appreciated

Sincerely,
Marcella, Ontario

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5b. Re: Growing your own "raw food"
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 pm ((PDT))

I've never raised them on my land but Turkeys yes.... my moms best friend
keeps them at his place( he has the set up) and I buy it, feed them.,..
clean them up... and he kills them for me.

Beef a friend of the family raises that.... so if I want I can put a cow on
his land or just buy one off him for 1.50 a pound and when I take EVERYTHING
from the cow it's a great deal. But you can buy a baby calf around here for
like 100dollars... feed it till it's year or so and butcher it and get a lot
more then 100dollars worth of meat. I've never done chickens, but I am
thinking of making a pigs pen and raising some pigs.

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC PTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

" No one can walk into a room and bring as much joy, happyness and love as a
single dog can"

>From: "Marcella Burgess" <proudfootkennels@sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>To: <rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [rawfeeding] Growing your own "raw food"
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:00:57 -0400
>
>Hi again,
>
>I was wondering if anyone on the list actually "grows" anything that is
>within their dog's diet, like rabbits, or chickens?
>If so.... what do you have to do in order to raise a 'dog friendly' and
>safe food? Obviously no vaccinations but is there anything else?
>The reason that I am asking this is that due to my locale, finding half
>decent deals on large quantities of meat is next to impossible, as we are
>right smack dab in the middle of cottage country where everything price
>wise is jacked up due to the tourism here!
>
>Any advice would be much appreciated
>
>Sincerely,
>Marcella, Ontario
>
>
>
>
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6. Re: puppy coughing.
Posted by: "Karen R" mellowed_2@yahoo.com mellowed_2
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:25 pm ((PDT))

My collie has coughed since the day I got her. She was about 18 months then and she is almost 5 now. I only started raw about 6 months ago. She actually choked once trying to swallow too big a chunk of meat/bone, and made no sound at all with that, so there was a big difference in sound--or lack of--. The thing I notice is if she is occupied or active, she does not do it, but does it when she is idle or maybe bored. I would compare the sound to a cat hacking up a fur ball, but like your pup, mine never brings anything up.

If your dog does it often enough that a vet could hear it, then it might be worth checking it out. Mine has never done it in the vet's office and on an emergency visit, I was there for four hours. I doubt I will ever know what it is, but it does not seem to affect her one way or the other, it only bothers me.

Karen

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7. Newbie looking for Co-ops
Posted by: "Tracy Touzjian" imcalvinsmom@yahoo.com imcalvinsmom
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

I've decided to take the plunge and go all out raw for my 15 month old
Boerboel. He has been on Canadie since he was a pup. I had been
supplementing with raw chicken thighs 2X a week. He recently has
develpoed some skin and ear issues, and I believe Raw can help. Since
he such a large dog, and buying at the grocery store can get expensive,
I was wondering if there is anyone in the Hopkinton, Ma area that
participates in a Co-Op type of situation. Or if anyone knows any
recources in my area I can tap into. Thank you in advance!

Tracy T

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8. Fresh, Raw Trachea
Posted by: "halojo45" hanne@hajo.us halojo45
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 pm ((PDT))

Just wanted to let you know that it is possible: a whole, raw, beef
trachea for $1.00 (I used to pay $7.00 each before)! My neighbor got
some too!
Hanne

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9a. breed specific
Posted by: "Vickie" dals4creekside@comcast.net vivkie
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:31 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

Its my understanding that a "natural" diet isn't supposed to be breed
specific. I get some flack from dalmatian breeders about feeding an
all meat/bone diet, including organ meats. According the the Dalmatian
Club of America, "all" dalmatians produce high uric acid in the urine
and are candidates to block from bladder stones. Most of them feed
alot of other stuff besides raw meat and bones, and many do not feed
organ meats at all (because of the high purine levels in it) I have 2
females and 9 times out of 10 a female will not block from bladder
stones so I really do not worry about it. Should someone with a male
dal be concerned?

I posted this to the "Raw Chat" list and did not get any opinions

thanks
Vickie

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9b. Re: breed specific
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

"Its my understanding that a "natural" diet isn't supposed to be breed
specific. I get some flack from dalmatian breeders about feeding an all
meat/bone diet, including organ meats. According the the Dalmatian Club of
America, "all" dalmatians produce high uric acid in the urine and are
candidates to block from bladder stones."

The natural raw diet is not breed specific. IMO if a certain breed has an
issue with a raw diet, it is something that has been bred into that breed
and is not a good thing in the first place. I don't know anything about
dalmatians, but I do know that just about every dog, regardless of breed, on
this list and the raw chat list has done great on a raw diet, allergies
disappear, illnesses have improved, etc. So if this is an issue specific to
the Dalmatian breed, maybe it is depending on the line of the Dalmatian...
I'm not claiming the raw diet fixes everything, if you have an unhealthy dog
to start with, maybe switching to a raw diet too fast/soon is no the way to
go.. maybe also ask this question on one of the homeopathic lists to
address the high uric acid and bladder stones in the breed.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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10. wrong link for blogger
Posted by: "rosebudsgranny" rosebudsgranny@yahoo.com rosebudsgranny
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:41 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Just in case the link on my last post doesn't work, use this one.
Don't know what happened, but when I posted the link the first time, it
didn't come through correctly. This one will work.

Thanks again. Sandy

http://community.wkrc.com/blogs/fur_and_feathers/archive/2007/09/10/1958
675.aspx

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11. Raw Food Nazi
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:35 pm ((PDT))

Just had to share this one.....I joined this list over a year okay,
and I owe many mant thanks to the memebers and the moderators for
their patience and knowledge. My immune compromised Katie is coming
along nicely with the helpof a homeopath. I am co-organizer for a
local Frenchie Group and was recently attacked for pushing raw down
everyone's throat, it's hte answer to everything. I was labeled as the
raw food Nazi!!!! Well, I'm living proof to my Katie who
was "allergic" to everything and had to be on steriods - 'BUllockS"
she eats everything now. Am I the Nazi....call me what you want, but
I now have made it my mission to spread the word. FWIW,several people
on the list contacted me to say thanks for enlightening them, and
switching their dogs to raw. Some will get it, somw don't care!
Suz Kate and Joey

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12a. Re: fish???eggs???
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...>
wrote:
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> (3rd week in) My question is when do we start on the fish, eggs
etc. I feel like they are getting a lot of the same thing all the
time. What type of fish do I use and how often to I give eggs and
fish to them???
****
Mandy, I can tell you what I did, (which worked w/out any noticeable
ill effects.) After a couple of weeks on chicken, I added an egg and
some smelts (quick-thawed, from frozen 'cleaned' bag,)
as 'breakfast.' Then for dinner, same old chicken, so as not to be
too drastic in the introduction of fish/eggs.

Also, when I tried other, bigger, whole fish, (1 lb.ish,) my pets
did not like them. We had a 3-day hold out, and I finally gave in,
and offered something else for dinner. So mine like the smaller
fishies, not whole.

HTH,
Lynne

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12b. Re: fish???eggs???
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:04 pm ((PDT))

Hi
I have a 2 yr male whippet, picky and lazy eater. He never jump on
you when you are preparing food EXCEPT COD FISH. He simply loves it.
But the only thing is it does not help your dog to gain weight on it.
Doreen

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13a. Re: My senior dog has been on raw a week
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:08 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Hi!
> KEWL! ^_^

Hi Giselle! You bet they need their own freezer! These mutts eat better
than I do. BTW, what's KEWL?

Silvina

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