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Tuesday, September 11, 2007

[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12027

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shortly
From: dupontracefan
1b. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
From: Andrea
1c. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
From: katkellm
1d. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
From: dupontracefan
1e. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
From: Andrea
1f. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
From: katkellm

2a. Re: Great article
From: tottime47
2b. Re: Great article
From: wandaful

3a. Re: Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
From: gevan1a
3b. Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
From: Jeffrey Gentry
3c. Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
From: katkellm
3d. Re: Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker

4a. Re: Dachsie puppy who is too thin
From: Andrea

5a. Re: question about rabbits
From: Andrea
5b. Re: question about rabbits
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: Hi, new here, need help with raw feeding my siberian huskies
From: ss_il

7. Goats with possible copper deficiency. Are they still good food?
From: Maria

8a. Re: Stinky Kitchen
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker
8b. Re: Stinky Kitchen
From: Yasuko herron

9a. Hank's throwing up
From: mandajenwalker
9b. Re: Hank's throwing up
From: Yasuko herron
9c. Re: Hank's throwing up
From: Andrea
9d. Re: Hank's throwing up
From: katkellm

10. Is supervision required?
From: dianna_obrien

11. {Raw Feeding} GS Puppy - Aggressive eating puppy
From: Brandi Bryant


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1a. Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shortly
Posted by: "dupontracefan" dupontracefan@yahoo.com dupontracefan
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:31 am ((PDT))

but I need help NOW PLEASE. My great dane will be 4 months this
Friday and of course he is raw fed and always has been. I am learning
more and more about what I can give him but his main staple so far has
only been chicken and recently some beef roast. Well, it is breakfast
time and I notice that the only chicken I have is lots and lots of
chicken backs which of course have not much meat but I do have a
package of pork chops with bone in. He has never had pork and I
wanted to know if I can give him a few of those (I was going to cut
bone out because I know cooked you can't give them but didn't know
about raw pork chop bones). I have his favorite yogurt and cottage
cheese handy but that hardly makes a breakfast. Please he is
beginning to chase the cats and I am scared he is thinking THEY could
be his breakfast, lol. Thanks in advanced,
Diane


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1b. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:55 am ((PDT))

If he did ok with the beef roast before I would give him some of the
pork with the chicken backs. Definitely take the bone out of the chop
though. A larger pork bone would be fine, but a chop bone is the
perfect size for a dane pup to try and swallow whole. He might have
slightly looser stools with the new meat, but as long as you feed the
backs as well he will be fine.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dupontracefan" <dupontracefan@...>
wrote:

> Well, it is breakfast time and I notice that the only chicken I have
> is lots and lots of chicken backs which of course have not much meat
> but I do have a package of pork chops with bone in. He has never had
> pork and I wanted to know if I can give him a few of those

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1c. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:58 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dupontracefan" <dupontracefan@...>
wrote:
> He has never had pork and I wanted to know if I can give him a few
of those

Hi Diane,
Yes, you can give him pork chop meat with the bone removed, or you can
just feed the too bony chicken backs immediately and feed a beef meal
later on in the day. Not every meal has to be picture perfect. The
too bony Tues.am meal can be balanced by a boneless hunk of meat later on
today. As with adding any new protein, just don't over due the pork
amount. KathyM

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1d. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
Posted by: "dupontracefan" dupontracefan@yahoo.com dupontracefan
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:20 am ((PDT))

Thanks to all that responded. I did cut up a few of them and took out
the bone, added his yogurt, vitamins and suppliments and he loved them
so I will just keep an eye on him today for some stool changes.
Thanks everyone, just learning this raw stuff and usually I order my
raw food but I am trying to find a meat grinder (I like to give his
suppliments and vitamins in a.m. with ground up meal) and learn all
the different foods that I can purchase and do it myself. So bare
with me if I ask alot of questions, lol. One more thing while I have
you helpers here, I have also NEVER feed packaged from grocery store
ground beef or ground sirloin (well you get the picture, the stuff we
make hamburgers from). Is that ok to give also or does the packaged
ground beef have too much grease/fat in it? If allowed about how much
for his age should I give, haven't weighed him in a few weeks but he
was 38 lbs about 2 weeks ago. Thanks,
Diane

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dupontracefan" <dupontracefan@>
> wrote:
> > He has never had pork and I wanted to know if I can give him a few
> of those
>
> Hi Diane,
> Yes, you can give him pork chop meat with the bone removed, or you can
> just feed the too bony chicken backs immediately and feed a beef meal
> later on in the day. Not every meal has to be picture perfect. The
> too bony Tues.am meal can be balanced by a boneless hunk of meat
later on
> today. As with adding any new protein, just don't over due the pork
> amount. KathyM
>


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1e. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

I'm glad that your pup didn't have a problem with the pork (well, so
far). How long has he been on a raw diet? Unless he has some
medical conditions that require supplements and ground food your life
is about to get a whole lot easier!

You have a wonderfully large dog with you who has his own meat
grinders in his mouth! There's no need for you to spend extra time
and money grinding things for him. When dogs tear into meat and
crunch through bones their teeth get cleaned naturally. Ground and
chopped up food have no dental benefits to speak of.

Again, unless your pup has a medical condition, a good raw diet
supplies all of the vitamins and minerals that the dog needs to
have. There is no reason to give him supplements "just in case" and
you don't want to oversupplement him. This list supports a prey
model diet, which means that we try to feed as close to whole prey as
possible. Grocery store cuts of pork, chicken, beef, turkey, etc.
work well for this and most of us have a buying group or other
sources to get more unusual cuts and animals. You want to feed your
boy mostly meat, some bone and some organs (definitely liver, but
some others too).

At the start it takes a little more leg work, but in the end it is
much better for the dog and your pocketbook. I try to keep my
spending around $1.00/lb and rarely buy anything that is over $2/lb.
I'm sure that most pre-fab food is much more expensive than that.

> I have also NEVER feed packaged from grocery store ground beef or
> ground sirloin (well you get the picture, the stuff we make
> hamburgers from). Is that ok to give also or does the packaged
> ground beef have too much grease/fat in it?

I don't buy ground beef unless it is on super duper sale. But if it
is I have no problem getting it. I use it for stuffing kongs, hiding
something the dog doesn't want to take, stuffing the cavity of a
chicken. . . but part of regular meals, it is not.

> how much for his age should I give, haven't weighed him in a few
> weeks but he was 38 lbs about 2 weeks ago.

It is easiest to feed him based on what his ideal weight will be as
an adult. You can start with feeding him 2% of his ideal adult
weight and go from there if he is losing/gaining too much. Somewhere
around 2.5lbs a day, but since he's a pup you'll want to split that
into two or three meals a day.

Andrea

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1f. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will shor
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:46 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dupontracefan" <dupontracefan@...>
wrote:
just learning this raw stuff

Hi Diane,
Please don't get mad at me when i say this, but I think that you might
want to rethink your feeding choices. You don't need to buy a grinder
because you really don't want to be feeding ground food. The idea of
the diet taught on this site, the prey model diet, is based on the
scientific fact that dogs are direct descendants of the gray wolf and
are, therefore, classified as carnivores. Carnivores don't need to be
fed yogurt or veggies or fruits or supplements; they need to be fed a
diet of meat with a little bone and some organs. Since most people
can't feed whole critters everyday, we try to feed meals in the ball
park of 80% meat, 10% bone, 5% liver, and 5% other organs. Not every
meal has to meet these percentages, but overtime its a helpful way to
make sure you don't forget/overfeed any parts of the prey animal. If
you feed your dog like this, for the healthy dog, supplements are not
necessary. Fish oil would be the exception, however, because most
livestock is now grain fed and, therefore, lacking in the omega 3s.
Since i know how hard it is to buck the system and not feed kibble, i
think that you are doing a wonderful thing for your dog feeding any
kind of raw, but you are missing out on a lot of great dental and
health benefits, as well as making a lot of extra work for yourself,
not feeding according to the recipe mother nature created long ago.
KathyM

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2a. Re: Great article
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:32 am ((PDT))

Hi Jo,

If you read all of the different articles on his site, he explains
that he's all for
raw feeding, but most people who come into his vets office want a can
of food
and a pill for their dogs.......they don't want to hear about raw
feeding.........

I thought he had a great site and wish some of our more knowledgeable
raw feeders would send him information to put on it.......

He seems to be a very open minded vet and willing to learn......

Carol, Charkee & Moli


--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
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> I found this article yesterday while looking for information on
dogs
> being carnivores to answer a yahoo question. I found it to be full
of
> useful information so I thought others might like to read it.
>
> "Dogs are Carnivores" by Jeannie Thomason Copyright © 2006
>
> http://www.dogtorj.net/id51.html
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Jo
>


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2b. Re: Great article
Posted by: "wandaful" rondarosa@ftcnet.net rondaros
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:52 am ((PDT))

Thank you.....great read.
I love this quote (hope I won't get sued)..."Yes, the dog can act as a salmonella carrier, but the solution is simple—do not eat dog poop and wash your hands after picking up after your dog."
wanda
----- Original Message -----
"Dogs are Carnivores" by Jeannie Thomason Copyright © 2006

http://www.dogtorj.net/id51.html


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3a. Re: Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
Posted by: "gevan1a" gevans@sycomtech.com gevan1a
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:32 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lkanaday" <lkanaday@...> wrote:
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> I got this article from Meatingplace.com this am.
>
> I don't think I've ever seen Smithfield at the places I shop, but for
> future references shold it be avoided? Or is this just for ppl in
> Romania?
>
> LaHoma

I live in Richmond, Va and this is the first I've heard of it. It
sounds like only Romania is effected.

However, I've never seen a Smithfield pork product on the shelves that
wasn't "enhanced", so I wouldn't feed it to my dogs anyway.

-George

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3b. Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
Posted by: "Jeffrey Gentry" gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com cresco299
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:48 am ((PDT))

>I don't think I've ever seen Smithfield at the
places I shop, but for
>future references shold it be avoided? Or is this
just for ppl in
>Romania?

Scary! I regularly buy pork shoulder from a local
club store (BJ's

www.bjs.com) and it's a Smithfield Brand. The thought
hadn't really
crossed my mind, but if Walmart brings in beef from
China, whose to say
if my club store doesn't bring in pork from
Romania.....

Jeff


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3c. Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:47 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Gentry <gentry.jeffrey@...>
wrote:
The thought
> hadn't really
> crossed my mind, but if Walmart brings in beef from
> China, whose to say
> if my club store doesn't bring in pork from
> Romania.....
Hi Jeff,
The evil empire, Wal-Mart, also carries the Smithfield brand. The
last time i was there i bought some split pigs feet that they had on
sale-i feed them frozen as a not to be counted in the meal deal treat.
These were the first Smithfield products that i bought because, as
was already pointed out by George, all their stuff is enhanced.
KathyM who thinks big business has gained way too much control over
our society

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3d. Re: Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:50 am ((PDT))

I live in NC and there are many Smithfield farms and packing plants
around. I don't believe that our pork is a problem and I doubt they
import anything from Romania. I give their meat to my dogs (as well as
myself and family).
Penny & The Menagerie

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4a. Re: Dachsie puppy who is too thin
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:56 am ((PDT))

You can feed her more food or try more fatty foods (pork, tongue, lamb,
etc). Some dogs just need more food to maintain their weight.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, K Carolyn Ramamurti
<lilith23360@...> wrote:

> One is getting too thin for my taste. She eats at least 1/3 more
than the other (who is a chunk!), but just doesn't gain weight.


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5a. Re: question about rabbits
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:59 am ((PDT))

You'll have to test the waters with your dogs, but if it were me I'd
feed it whole (complete with head, feet, tail, and skin). If your dog
doesn't go for it, try cutting open the belly to expose the insides.
From there you might have to skin it if the dog still refuses.

I see no reason to clean a small animal like a rabbit. If your dog
will eat it whole, all the better. Some dogs leave intestines and such
of prey animals, but that is usually with larger animals. Rabbits are
more like "chomp, chomp, gone."

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "SherryL3" <luckymermaid@...> wrote:
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> Hi, I read either here or somewhere else about how simple it is to
> feed dogs rabbit carcass . . . The poster said all you had to do
> was cut off head and feet & skin, if you wanted. But, what about
> the bile duct?

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5b. Re: question about rabbits
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:26 am ((PDT))

"SherryL3" <luckymermaid@...> wrote:
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> Hi, I read either here or somewhere else about how simple it is to
> feed dogs rabbit carcass . .
*****
No, it is more simple than that.
1. Humanely dispatch rabbit.
2. Feed it.

THAT's simple. There is no need to remove the head, feet and skin! If
the dog wants to eat those parts, it will. If the dog does not, it
won't. There is no need for you to make the decision for it. Really.


But, what about the bile
> duct?
*****
The dog will eat it or it will not. Let your dog decide.


I have slaughtered a few rabbits for my own consumption, and
> always remove that because it can ruin the taste of the meat.
*****
And how would that relate to a dog's preferences? A dog for which cat
poop is a fine treat and roadkill may well be the most desired
perfume? I'd say you should not compare your needs to your dog's.


I've
> also read that in the wild, wolves will carefully remove that,
*****
Pish tosh. I'll need some documentation on that one.
The intestines of large prey may be discarded, and the stomach contents
(not the bag, just the digesta) are generally flung to the four winds,
and large bones are often stripped of meat then left for smaller
predators and scavengers. The skull may be left for the next
demolition crew.

Small prey (including rabbits) however, is usually eaten by a single
wolf without much thought other than to get it down and get on with
life as soon as possible. The offal is not awful to wolves and they
eat it. Or heck, they don't. But picking out the bile duct is clearly
not an assumed part of the dining process.

I feed whole rabbits to one dog and skinned but not gutted rabbits to
another, and no rabbits to my big Lab who clearly thinks it is a
trick. The two bunny-eating dogs absolutely eat what they're given.

I feed whole baby goats and whole piglets. Everything is eaten.
Sometimes my dogs will carefully eat around fish guts though. But I
don't make the choice for them.

If you are fortunate enough to be able to feed rabbit, feed "as is"
unless your dog makes it painfully clear you will have to do some prep
work. You may not have to.
Chris O

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6a. Re: Hi, new here, need help with raw feeding my siberian huskies
Posted by: "ss_il" ss_il@yahoo.com ss_il
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:49 am ((PDT))

Hi and welcome,

I've been feeding Alaska (Female Siberian) raw for a couple of years
now - thanks to Bill Carnes whose web site I stumbled across when I
started to get suspicious about kibble and started looking for
alternatives. This before all the recent (ahem) controversy.

And yes, I did start with BARF, because that's what I first came
across that sounded better than kibble. Wife was not happy with all
the slicing, dicing, ginding, and chopping, and kitchen mess. I was
not happy with all the hours spent / wasted
with preparing meals. This lasted for about a month.

My Allie also questioned liver at the beginning. Now she eats it
first if there is any served with the meal. She weighs in at around
35 kilos, and I feed her roughly a pound a day depending on how she
looks. Having said that, I should mention that I've taken to feeding
her every 2 days and she gets about a kilo a little over 2 pounds)
per feeding. I have been given to understand that there are
advantages to this approach. A dogs stomach and digestive system is
different than ours, and they apparently take longer to feel hunger
than we do. The bigger meal means that they get to fill their
stomachs, which gives them a satiated feeling that they don't get
from multiple smaller meals, and it gets their stomach unfolded, and
more of the stomach wall, and secretions, in contact with the food.

Currently (take note - we worked our way up to this), I feed her a
whole, roughly 1 to 1.5 kilo chicken. I confess that I'm not sure
which one of us is more satisfied with these big meals. True she gets
to eat them, but I get to watch, and I have to say that watching her
ingest a whole chicken is almost a spiritual experience. You have to
watch your dog do this to appreciate my meaning.

In the beginning, try not to make yourself sick measuring micrograms
of this and that for every meal.

Just feeding raw is lightyears better than the commercial stuff
you've been feeding.

And try not to get too gung ho with variety. Everybody here sugggests
going slow and introducing new meats slowly. Take their advice. And
after a few months you'll laugh at yourself for all the worrying and
measuring.

One final note. My Allie is supposedly somewhere between 5 and a half
and 6 years old - I found her at the SPCA with no history and her age
was the vets best guess - and when asked her age by other dog owners
who watch her play for a bit, I answer 5 and a half, and more often
than not, people come back with.... get this... "Months or Years?"

Enjoy the ride,

Steve and Allie

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7. Goats with possible copper deficiency. Are they still good food?
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:47 am ((PDT))

I got an email from a friend of someone that I have been talking to
about retired/cull animals. Her friend Karen has 3 goats that are
crippled because of probible copper deficiency, she has to kill them
and take their livers for testing but I can have the rest. Would they
be OK as about 1/2 of a dogs diet?

And one is a male in rut, would his "oysters" be good for a treat?

Thanks.
Maria

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8a. Re: Stinky Kitchen
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:47 am ((PDT))

Michelle,
Another help is to keep your drains clean...they can harbor all sorts
of smells....or you could just tell your husband to stay out of the
kitchen........NOT!
Good luck, Penny & The Menagerie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "michelleraia1" <michelleraia1@...>
wrote:
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> My husband says our who kitchen area stinks like raw meat all of the
> time. I clean the counters after preparing the meals~is there
anything
> else I can do~I don't want him to hate raw feeding...HELP~
>
> Michelle
>


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8b. Re: Stinky Kitchen
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:08 am ((PDT))

>Another help is to keep your drains clean...

Yes,I agree. When I use Lemon or Lime in dishes,I usualy throw these peels into sink's food disposor and it makes smell good.

And,now and then,I pour water+vinegar mixture into drainer too.

and of course,I wash kitchen sink too.

And I throw plastic package that contains meat juice wash it throughly and toss into outside garbage bin too.

yassy


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9a. Hank's throwing up
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:51 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
I just had a big issue with my dane, Hank. I took him out for a potty
break and his stool was a little loose (after eating just chicken bone
from the night before) and he threw up a lot of bright yellow bile
right afterwards. He is still acting like he is choking on something
as we speak but nothing is coming out......any ideas????
I did switch them from 2 times a day feeding to 1 time a day feeding
because of the amount of time it takes for them to eat and my busy
schedule.........
Thanks
Mandy

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9b. Re: Hank's throwing up
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

>he threw up a lot of bright yellow bile

Hi,mandy. If you switched feeding 2 times to 1 time a day like cold turkey way,I guess Hunk is hungry and got yellow bile vomit.

He was expecting food in the morning but nothing has come so,thus,empty stomach made bile up from the mouth.

I think gradually changing feeding times would have been better than sudden switch maybe??

I know some people feed one food's amount gradually more added and then,the second meal giving less and less and make it to 1 day a meal.

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9c. Re: Hank's throwing up
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:29 am ((PDT))

If you switched to once a day feedings his stool might be loose because
he had more food to digest this time. The bile vomit is a common side
effect of feeding schedules being changed. You can deal with the bile
vomit for a couple of days (it doesn't hurt the dog) or you can go back
to two meals a day and vary the time he is fed as well as work at
making one meal larger while the other gets smaller. Eventually you
will be able to go to once a day feeding that can be fed whenever you
feel like giving it.

Andrea


--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...>
wrote:

> I took him out for a potty break and his stool was a little loose
> (after eating just chicken bone from the night before) and he threw
> up a lot of bright yellow bile right afterwards.

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9d. Re: Hank's throwing up
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

I took him out for a potty
> break and his stool was a little loose (after eating just chicken bone
> from the night before)
Hi Mandy,
The loose stool is probably from feeding him more food at one meal
than he is use to, and i would second Yassy's opinion that the bile
vomit was the result of a tummy that was expecting food to arrive, had
digestive juices ready to go to work, and when no food came, up they
came because they didn't have a job to do. KathyM

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10. Is supervision required?
Posted by: "dianna_obrien" dianna_obrien@yahoo.com dianna_obrien
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

I've been feeding my two dogs, a cocker spaniel and a terrier mix, raw
since April. Both are doing great; they love chicken, beef, pork,
venison, elk and deer. They haven't had any problems at all.

I have been told I should supervise their eating but temperatures are
falling here in Missouri and they eat outside. Do I have to keep
supervising their meal time?

Dianna

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11. {Raw Feeding} GS Puppy - Aggressive eating puppy
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

My 6 month old GS puppy is an aggressive eater - she has her own
spot/towel/bowl. The other dogs are not near her. If I give her a
thigh, she'll have it gone in like 2 to 3 chomps and then swollows it.
And she will tear into the meat like there's no tomorrow, she'll
stand on the meat with her two front legs and pull at the meat with
her front teeth, and I know that's what they're suppose to do. And
yes I'm feeding her still twice a day. Evening meals are bigger then
the morning meals though. And she doesn't throw anything up when she
does. I've started freezing her food, I gave her a frozen turkey leg
and she had to work on it a little more and it seems to slow her down
a tad - maybe! Is there anything else I can do to slow her down a
little - she and Roxie my other pup get the most food and she's
usually done before the any of the rest of them are. Or am I being a
worrier?

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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com


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