[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12026

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Great article
From: johkemp

2a. Re: Stinky Kitchen
From: Peter Haynes
2b. Re: Stinky Kitchen
From: Giselle

3. Prostate infection
From: Karen Swanay

4a. Re: new member intro
From: Giselle

5a. Re: boxer pup new to "raw"
From: tiffany fontenot

6. question about rabbits
From: SherryL3

7a. Re: Bony bunny bits
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

8a. Re: Dachsie puppy who is too thin
From: Howard Salob

9. Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
From: lkanaday

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1a. Re: Great article
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:02 pm ((PDT))

+++++Mod note: please don't forget to sign your emails! ++++++++

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:

>
> what i don't get is why a vet that is actively promoting all those
various commercially prepared dog foods would put that article on his
website... what am i missing?
>

I did wonder that myself - In one section he is promoting the article,
the next worrying about bacteria and later providing links to
Billinghurst's world of barf. More than just a fence sitter - he seems
to be straddling a freeway intersection!!

I thought the article very interesting and am sending the link to yahoo
answers kibble feeders and omnivorists!!! Along with Lonsdale's feeding
guide..

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2a. Re: Stinky Kitchen
Posted by: "Peter Haynes" bikesrme@nexicom.net bikesrme
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:02 pm ((PDT))

I'm not into raw feeding yet...but spraying the counter and cutting
board with vinegar/water, wiping and a spray with hydrogen peroxide
works well for me on my own meat smells.

...not sure if that translated well...
:-)

delcaste wrote:

>>My husband says our who kitchen area stinks like raw meat all of the
>>time. I clean the counters after preparing the meals~is there
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>anything
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>>else I can do~I don't want him to hate raw feeding...HELP~
>>
>>Michelle
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Peter Haynes
L'Amable, Ontario

"They laughed when I said I'd be a comedian. They aren't laughing now."

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2b. Re: Stinky Kitchen
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:39 am ((PDT))

Hi, Michelle!
Do you use cutting boards? Wooden boards, especially, can
get slits in them from repeated use, can be harder to scrub clean and
will absorb odors. Even plastic ones can get this way. Its a good idea
to replace these items when they show wear. And also to use different
ones for meat than you use for other items. I scrub mine with a baking
soda & water paste and a stiff bristled brush after uses.

Another thought I have is, the sink trap can be a source of smell, not
only blood washes down there, but bits of meat and bone, too. It could
be thats where the odor is emanating from, 'specially if you have a
garbage disposal. I'd get a drain screen, and also tip some vinegar or
baking soda down the sink when I'm cleaning up after handling raw meat.
That might help.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> > My husband says our whole kitchen area stinks like raw meat all of
the
> > time. I clean the counters after preparing the meals~is there
> anything
> > else I can do~I don't want him to hate raw feeding...HELP~
> >
> > Michelle

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3. Prostate infection
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:02 pm ((PDT))

I'm not sure this is entirely OT but if so, please answer me privately.
> Does anyone have any ideas if there are things that can help with a dog that
> gets prostate infections? I don't believe it's diet related, (there are no
> crystals) but I'd like to give him something profilactially to keep this
> from happening all the time. I'm wondering also if perhaps there is
> something he should not eat given he's prone to this? (Kidneys?) Anyway,
> just looking for some ideas.
>

Thanks,
Karen

>

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"Family isn't about whose blood you have. It's about who you care about."

LOI 1/26/07
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DTC 8/10/07
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4a. Re: new member intro
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:17 am ((PDT))

Hi, Cathy!
YQW!
Let me know how you and the dogs progress!
I've been researching breeds for my next dog, or pup, and the Cresteds
are intriguing.
Is your dog a nudie or powder puff? Do you think there is a difference
in personality or temperament between the varieties? What would you
say were the the breed specific pros and cons of Cresteds, relating to
health and trainability, compared to other toy breeds?
Thanks
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New jersey

> Goodness! That was extremely helpful. Thanks for sending it along. It
> answered a bunch of my questions. I am keeping it as a text file so I
> can refer back to it when I need to.
>
> I sure appreciate the support from you all. I was up several nights in
> a row trying to figure it all out! I should have joined this group
> earlier!!!
> Thanks again,
> Cathy
>

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5a. Re: boxer pup new to "raw"
Posted by: "tiffany fontenot" rydersilas@yahoo.com rydersilas
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:44 am ((PDT))

Thanks that helps a lot. I think it would be best to put it in some vinegar water and freeze it before serving it to him. Although we do eat it and have had not problems, it is always cooked thoroughly. What about eggs? Can i feed him this whole on some days? If so how many should I give? Could anyone suggest an idea of a few menus.
This is really helping me out.
Tiffany

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6. question about rabbits
Posted by: "SherryL3" luckymermaid@sbcglobal.net SherryL3
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:44 am ((PDT))

Hi, I read either here or somewhere else about how simple it is to
feed dogs rabbit carcass . . . The poster said all you had to do was
cut off head and feet & skin, if you wanted. But, what about the bile
duct? I have slaughtered a few rabbits for my own consumption, and
always remove that because it can ruin the taste of the meat. I've
also read that in the wild, wolves will carefully remove that, (dont
know how) Is it ok to just cut off head, feet, tail & skin? Or do I
need to open it up and remove it.
Thanks
Sherry

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7a. Re: Bony bunny bits
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:45 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/10/2007 8:11:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
"brutus_buckley" writes:

I have noticed that both of my dogs will typically vomit up some tiny
bone fragments the day after eating rabbit. This doesn't happen with
any other meals. Anyone else experience this? I'm not concerned, just
curious.

*****
One of my three cats does this sometimes after rabbit--did it tonight. I
guess he hadn't had rabbit recently and his stomach just couldn't handle it. As
you said, it doesn't make me concerned. He's always thrown up more than
anybody else. And probably half of the bones stayed down...

Lynda

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8a. Re: Dachsie puppy who is too thin
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:46 am ((PDT))

Dear K CArolyn,

My mini doxie was extremely sick and got thin. What put the weight back on was green tripe.

Sincerely,

Howard

K Carolyn Ramamurti <lilith23360@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have two mini doxies I have been raw feeding since they came to live with me at three months. They are now two weeks away from their first birthday.

One is getting too thin for my taste. She eats at least 1/3 more than the other (who is a chunk!), but just doesn't gain weight.

She is otherwise healthy; has recently been checked by the vet and has a glossy coat, bright little eyes and a good energy level.

They get a ton of exercise, which I would not want to curtail....

I feed the "usual" prey model; 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs. Usual meals for me are beef short-ribs; pork picnic roasts, butt roasts or ribs; lamb ribs or shoulders; beef, pork or chicken livers; game hens (their favorite) or chickens. They occasionally get fish and I just found them some beef heart and tongue.

Any suggestions for a little dachsie who is too thin?

Thanks in advance,

Carolyn in Seattle

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9. Should we avoid pork by Smithfield Foods?
Posted by: "lkanaday" lkanaday@yahoo.com lkanaday
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:47 am ((PDT))

I got this article from Meatingplace.com this am.

I don't think I've ever seen Smithfield at the places I shop, but for
future references shold it be avoided? Or is this just for ppl in
Romania?

LaHoma


Pork News
Smithfield foresees increased earnings charge from swine fever

By Janie Gabbett on 9/10/2007 for Meatingplace.com

Smithfield Foods Inc. on Friday said it now forecasts a $12 million
to $13 million charge against fiscal second quarter 2008 earnings
related to swine fever outbreaks at its Romanian hog operations, more
than double its earlier estimate.

Last month Smithfield, Va.-based Smithfield estimated the earnings
hit at $4 million to $5 million.
(See Smithfield Foods says swine fever in Romania will impact Q2
results on Meatingplace.com, August 9, 2007.)

The earlier estimate was based on outbreaks at two Smithfield
facilities. On August 23, the disease was discovered on a third farm.
(See Swine fever hits another Smithfield farm in Romania on
Meatingplace.com, August 24, 2007.)

"Given the third reported outbreak and escalating disposal costs, the
write-down and disposal costs are expected to exceed the previously
reported level," the company said in a filing with the Securities and
Exchange Commission, adding, "Because of the fluidity of the
situation in Romania, the actual charge may be more or less than the
latest estimate."

Smithfield said it might be eligible for government reimbursement for
certain euthanasia and animal disposal costs, but would not receive
those funds by the second quarter.

As a consequence of the outbreaks, the company also anticipates
limited interruptions to farm production flows in Romania over the
next 6 to 12 months.

Smithfield has invested $1.1 billion in western Romania, where it is
the largest pork producer.

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