[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12024

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. new member intro
From: Cathy Crosby
1b. Re: new member intro
From: Andrea
1c. Re: new member intro
From: Cathy Crosby

2a. Re: Trichinella concerns?
From: Sandee Lee
2b. Re: Trichinella concerns?
From: steph.sorensen

3a. Re: Hi, new here, need help with raw feeding my siberian huskies
From: mrskheath

4a. Re: raw feeding for 2 years, suddenly very sick * update-looks like
From: Trish
4b. Re: raw feeding for 2 years, suddenly very sick * update-looks like
From: ginny wilken

5a. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
From: meg_helmes
5b. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
From: millser25
5c. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
From: Cathy Crosby
5d. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
From: brutus_buckley

6a. Wonderful find, Need help
From: lauraanimal1
6b. Re: Wonderful find, Need help
From: lauraanimal1
6c. Re: Wonderful find, Need help
From: lauraanimal1

7a. Looking for advice
From: erica
7b. Re: Looking for advice
From: Sandee Lee
7c. Re: Looking for advice
From: Yasuko herron
7d. Re: Looking for advice
From: steph.sorensen

8a. how long to hold out with not eating
From: Heather Robertson
8b. how long to hold out with not eating
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)

9a. Re: dogs chewing RMBs
From: Laurie Swanson

10. Bony bunny bits
From: brutus_buckley

11. Dachsie puppy who is too thin
From: K Carolyn Ramamurti

12a. Re: {RawFeeding & Raw Chat}Sharing meat between dogs
From: tottime47

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1a. new member intro
Posted by: "Cathy Crosby" biblecat@sbcglobal.net waycoolcavies
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:54 am ((PDT))

Hi everyone-
I'm Cathy and I live in California. I have a 2 year old Chinese
Crested who has developed a bunch of food allergies. I had heard about
raw feeding but though it was too much trouble before. Now I can't
find a commercial feed that doesn't have anything she's allergic to,
so here I am.I figure this way I can be certain what is going into her
food.

I have a bunch of questions but I'll probably go slowly so as not to
wear you all out. My first question is about how much to feed her. I
keep looking online and I see all of these formulas! I was never good
at math and just looking at them is overwhelming to me. Can someone
help me figure it out. She weighs about 10 pounds and is on the slim
side, but I just had her spayed. I fed her raw for the first time last
night and she seems like she's still hungry this morning to me. Last
night she seemed to be full though.

Also, it looks like you all don't feed bones at every meal, is that
right? If that is true, how many meals per week have bones? And one
more question, I found a good deal on a bunch of duck heads. (YUM)
does anyone have an opinion on if they would be good or are they too
small for her? Thanks for any help you can offer.
Cat

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1b. Re: new member intro
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:04 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Cat, welcome to the group!

> My first question is about how much to feed her. I keep looking
> online and I see all of these formulas!

Well, since your girl is about 10lbs, that makes it much easier. You
should probably start feeding her about 3% of her ideal weight, so
you're shooting for somewhere in the neighborhood of .3lbs (4-5oz?). I
feed big dogs, so I'm not sure what .3lbs equates to, but I would
imagine somewhere around a chicken thigh or half a bone in chicken
breast.

> I fed her raw for the first time last night and she seems like she's
> still hungry this morning to me. Last night she seemed to be full
> though.

I'll tell you my pups always "seem" like they are hungry. The best way
to determine if you're feeding enough is to wait a while and see if
she's losing/gaining weight. 3% of the body weight is a good starting
point, but some dogs need more or less.

> Also, it looks like you all don't feed bones at every meal, is that
> right? If that is true, how many meals per week have bones?

I don't determine bone/no bone days, and I would imagine that most
others on the list don't do this either. Just keep in mind that you
want to feed mostly meat (somewhere near 80%), some bone (~10%), and
some organ (~10%). If I feed pork ribs or something boney on Monday,
I'm likely to feed just meaty meat or something with just a bit of bone
on Wednesday. Some here are most comfortable (or their dogs do best)
with a bit of bone every day. It will be one of those things that you
and your pup can determine down the line. Raw feeding is really
flexible, I promise.

> And one more question, I found a good deal on a bunch of duck heads.
> (YUM) does anyone have an opinion on if they would be good or are
> they too small for her?

In the future they will be great! For now, you probably want to stick
with plain old chicken for a week or two before you introduce any heads
or other protein sources. If you have space you can buy them and
freeze them for later. If you have more questions, don't hesitate.

Andrea

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1c. Re: new member intro
Posted by: "Cathy Crosby" biblecat@sbcglobal.net waycoolcavies
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:46 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Andrea-
That helps clear things up. I'm a pretty obsessive/ compulsive type so I
have to try to do everything perfectly. I'm sure I'll relax before long
but until then it really helps to have people to hold your hand!

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2a. Re: Trichinella concerns?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:28 pm ((PDT))

There's no shortage of misinformation (or old wife's tales) is there????
:))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "susan holbeck" <nu1edie@yahoo.com>

> I got my butt CHEWED by a gal at a rescue orginization when I told her I
fed raw pork. She's ok with raw feeding, but only in the winter (HUH?)...
and meat only, no bone. I nearly started to cry because she had me
convinced I was killing my dog with pork and RMB's. Geez... I'm glad I
have you guys!

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2b. Re: Trichinella concerns?
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:44 pm ((PDT))

Girl, I feel your pain! I was hitting up co-workers just today for old
meat they may have in their freezer. One of them comes in and says, "I
highly recommend that you not feed your dogs bones." Apparently, he
was a vet tech for two years, and a dog came in that was nearly dead.
It died on the operating table, and when they opened it up, pork bone
splinters (pork rib bones, he said) had pierced the insides so severely
that the digestive tract was simply mush.

I asked him if he knew if the bones were cooked or raw, because raw
bones don't tend to splinter like that, and he said he didn't know. I
just smiled and nodded and said thanks for the info. :)

Just get ready to defend yourself, because you will be in the minority
as a raw feeder and you will be chastised for it!

-Steph
Scarlet (can't talk now - eating a venison shoulder)
Lucy (mouth full)
Minkey

>
> From: "susan holbeck" <nu1edie@...>
>
>
> > I got my butt CHEWED by a gal at a rescue orginization when I told
her I
> fed raw pork. She's ok with raw feeding, but only in the winter
(HUH?)...
> and meat only, no bone. I nearly started to cry because she had me
> convinced I was killing my dog with pork and RMB's. Geez... I'm
glad I
> have you guys!
>

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3a. Re: Hi, new here, need help with raw feeding my siberian huskies
Posted by: "mrskheath" mrskheath@yahoo.co.uk mrskheath
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:02 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
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> I'm always happy to see more Siberian Husky owners move their dogs
over to
> raw feeding <g>.
>
Well hello again! So nice to hear from you. lol. Well, I'm off to the
butchers and am calling local meat packers tomorrow. Woohoo. Thanks.

Karlene

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4a. Re: raw feeding for 2 years, suddenly very sick * update-looks like
Posted by: "Trish" trishwelham@hotmail.com trishwelham
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:02 pm ((PDT))

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>
> my dogs never stayed unless critically ill. They came home with me
> asap. Most (all?) vets won't let you stay with your dog, but unless
> she is critically ill, she needs to be home with you.

Hi Giselle, it turns out she is critically ill. Her levels are off the
charts. My hubby visited with her today and she can get up and walk a
little, but is in severe pain. She is still NPO and on IV. Tomorrow
they will check the levels again and if they are not down they said it
is probably pancreatic cancer and apparently that is a done deal. They
are taking good care of her. I hate that she is suffering and not with
us, but I just don't know what else we can do.

> Why is she on Prednisone? I'd wean her off asap.
>
She has bad allergies and her itching caused a lot of secondary
infections, eye, ear, etc.

Last night I dreamt that she came home and we fed her a rabbit. :-(
She was such an amazing dog. She treated our youngest son, then just
crawling, like her pup. She was originally found in a ravine with 15
puppies and then ended up at a rescue shelter where we found her and
brought her home 3 years ago.

Thanks all for the concern and input. Will update when there is new info.
Trish, missing Molly

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4b. Re: raw feeding for 2 years, suddenly very sick * update-looks like
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Trish wrote:

> Hi Giselle, it turns out she is critically ill. Her levels are off the
> charts. My hubby visited with her today and she can get up and walk a
> little, but is in severe pain. She is still NPO and on IV. Tomorrow
> they will check the levels again and if they are not down they said it
> is probably pancreatic cancer and apparently that is a done deal. They
> are taking good care of her. I hate that she is suffering and not with
> us, but I just don't know what else we can do.

I'm terribly sorry for your predicament and her suffering. I hope
that if she is terminal they will give you pain meds and let you take
her home. If it IS cancer, know that the scenario was set up a long
time ago, even with inherited factors, and that not diet nor anything
else you did could make much difference either way. You gave her a
good life she never would have had otherwise.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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5a. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
Posted by: "meg_helmes" mhelmes@gmail.com meg_helmes
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:02 pm ((PDT))

Maria-
If you feel comfortable feeding wild game, then I say enjoy the
bounty! Carnivores WILL eat other carnivores, if they catch it or find
it dead. Herbivore or critters that are considered "normal" prey for
large carnivores are the main source of food because they are (1) more
plentiful and usually (2) easier to catch. The river otters at the zoo
I currently work at caught and ate a wild red tailed hawk (we are
still not completely sure how the managed it!).

Also, people have brought up the concern of rabies. There may be
infectious agents you want to worry about coming feeding wild game to
your pets, but rabies should not be one of them. Rabies cannot live
outside of a host for more than a few seconds. It may survive in a
dead animal a little while (some say as long as 48 hours, but that is
pretty rare). If you freeze the meat, the virus will NOT be able to
survive or be transmitted.

(See, I knew that wildlife management class would be useful someday!)

~Meg

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5b. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:04 pm ((PDT))

I would consider the possum, but not the others. I think a possum is
low enough on the food chain that a wild dog would consider eating it
when there are no other options. After all, possums are rodents, and
wolves and foxes will eat omnivorous rodents when necessary. But, I
agree with one of the previous posters - sample first! It is likely
your dog won't like the flavor. Strict herbivors taste and smell
differently than carnivors and omnivors. So the flavor of carnivors
and omnivors may be offensive to your dog.

Also, I would steer far clear of the raccoon. My mother in law does
wildlife rescue for the Department of fish and wildlife in our state.
They have to be very careful with the raccoons they care for, so as
not to spread disease to their other "patients". In addition to
rabies, raccoons tend to carry many other viruses and bacteria that
can be quite dangerous to other animals. After releasing a raccoon,
my mother in law has to clean out their cages and accessories with
undiluted bleach and other extremely harsh chemicals. She has to keep
her raccoon cages, feeding bowls, lavages, toys, etc. all separate and
exclusively for raccoon use only. I'm not entirely sure but I do not
believe that any wild animal eats raccoons - except maybe scavengers
who may eat their carcasses.
If you do decide to try to feed these animals, please let us know how
it goes.
Erica

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5c. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
Posted by: "Cathy Crosby" biblecat@sbcglobal.net waycoolcavies
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:45 pm ((PDT))

I'm new here and don't want to cause trouble but as a breeder of
rodents, I can tell you that opossums are not rodents. They are
marsupials. I think they may be the only marsupials native to north
America, but I could be wrong about that. They do look like giant rats,
though.
Cat

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5d. Re: Eating omnivores and carnivores?
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:52 pm ((PDT))

//After all, possums are rodents, and wolves and foxes will eat
omnivorous rodents when necessary.//

***Possums are not rodents; they are marsupials. Wolves may consider
them food nonetheless.

-Renee W.

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6a. Wonderful find, Need help
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:04 pm ((PDT))

Ok guys I need some help, I have lucked out big time, I just moved a
few months ago to this town and now is hunting season, i talked to
this meat processing plant and they said I could come daily and see
what they have tossed and take what I want. Then they gave me a name
of a butcher who goes to ranch to ranch to butcher, he said I could
have anything I wnted that was left over....so I need your help as to
what I need to get...... Thanks all
Laura and Ishta

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6b. Re: Wonderful find, Need help
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:09 pm ((PDT))

Sorry guys, heres a bit more info. The 1st meat processor is for
wild game, he said I can come daily and grab what I want out of
there toss pile. The 2nd one is a traveling butcher as well as has
his own store. He says I can have what ever I want out of the
insides of the cows and pigs he butchers. What do I get? I know that
heart and liver is great as well as green tripe and treacheas and
lungs, what else? He did say I could get the heads too if I wanted
and that included the brains. And depending on the what the people
wanted, if they dont want the tongues I can have them too. Basicaly
anything the owner doesent want I can have. So do I get some of the
skin of the cows and pigs? and what do i need to keep and eye out
for, both good and bad? What are the very best parts that my Rotti
needs the most of? I have a upright freezer that I can fill,but I
cant put everything that is offered in there, it would be just to
much. The main thing is the wild game I want to get what i can of
that 1st cause it wont last long, and the other butcher is year
round but,I want to get the best out of what is offered before my
freezer fills up. Also I know that some of the wild game needs to be
frozen for a while to kill off any varmits hiding in them, how long
should I keep them froze for?

Thanks again for your help and words of wisdom.
Laura and Ishta

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6c. Re: Wonderful find, Need help
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:10 pm ((PDT))

Sorry guys, heres a bit more info. The 1st meat processor is for
wild game, he said I can come daily and grab what I want out of
there toss pile. The 2nd one is a traveling butcher as well as has
his own store. He says I can have what ever I want out of the
insides of the cows and pigs he butchers. What do I get? I know that
heart and liver is great as well as green tripe and treacheas and
lungs, what else? He did say I could get the heads too if I wanted
and that included the brains. And depending on the what the people
wanted, if they dont want the tongues I can have them too. Basicaly
anything the owner doesent want I can have. So do I get some of the
skin of the cows and pigs? and what do i need to keep and eye out
for, both good and bad? What are the very best parts that my Rotti
needs the most of? I have a upright freezer that I can fill,but I
cant put everything that is offered in there, it would be just to
much. The main thing is the wild game I want to get what i can of
that 1st cause it wont last long, and the other butcher is year
round but,I want to get the best out of what is offered before my
freezer fills up. Also I know that some of the wild game needs to be
frozen for a while to kill off any varmits hiding in them, how long
should I keep them froze for?

Thanks again for your help and words of wisdom.
Laura and Ishta

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7a. Looking for advice
Posted by: "erica" ericagordon@sbcglobal.net ericagsweet
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:46 pm ((PDT))

Hello, I joined a raw deeding coop & they are ordering this week!
After reviewing my options I'm not sure if I want anything from this
particular order. I have available, beef back ribs, chicken necks,
chicken backs, chicken gizzards, veal heart, beef liver, ground beef,
ground turkey, ground pork.

I feed much meater bones than any of those & I don't feed ground
meat. I follow more of a prey diet, although I do buy larger parts.
So I'm feeling like it isn't worth it. Maybe to fill in for the
bonless meals? The price on the chicken necks is great, but I don't
feed them. I have a 55 lb pitty, I think she would swallow them
whole. I was considering the turkey necks until I saw the price. It
went up to $.99/lb shich is the same price I pay for turkey legs &
wings, so it hardley seems worth it. How about the beef back ribs or
chicken backs? Not meaty enough?

TIA for you advice!
Erica

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7b. Re: Looking for advice
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:11 pm ((PDT))

Erica,

I think you've got the right idea. I'd skip it unless they have a good
price on the heart and liver...or is it ground also? Nothing you have
listed is meaty enough to bother with. Beef ribs, if they come in a slab,
would be ok, but they are not meaty and most often the bones cannot be
consumed.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "erica" <ericagordon@sbcglobal.net>

Hello, I joined a raw deeding coop & they are ordering this week!
After reviewing my options I'm not sure if I want anything from this
particular order. I have available, beef back ribs, chicken necks,
chicken backs, chicken gizzards, veal heart, beef liver, ground beef,
ground turkey, ground pork.

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7c. Re: Looking for advice
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:45 pm ((PDT))

>Hello, I joined a raw deeding coop & they are ordering this week!

Hi,Erica.That is great. The price maybe cheaper than you usually seeat stores?

> I have available,

>beef back ribs

If the price was reasonable(nothing like 14 dollars for 2-3lb ribs and what you see is almost bone and paying 14 dollars for bone,I skip it),and you are ok to add meat to rib meal to compensate for the bony meal,then,I think that is ok.

I fed Beef Short rib which has thicker bone than back rib I think,but meat was 2-3inches on top of the bone,so,I fed it.I got it from grocery store. Each dog has different jaw strength,but mine ate all.She spent more than hour to finish it up,but she was happy.

,>chicken necks,

I would not buy neck intentionally. If you have small dogs and like to use for treat/snacks maybe..You can get one when you buy Whole chicken

>chicken backs,

Buying bunch of parts like wings/backs andadd more meat to feed maybe option but I would not do that.I rather buy whole and cut the whole chicken to portion. Reason why is,buying whole chicken is much much cheaper than buying parts by parts and if you have whole chicken and when you cut it,back has bit of breast meat and rib etc as well.

For your information,if you live in VA,and if you go to Ukrop this week,you can buy whole fresh chicken 58 cents per pound!! (Virginians may want to check out maybe??)

>chicken gizzards

I have stock in freezer but I bought at shoppers. It is not big in nutrition i think but since I rotating this with other liver etc in a week asside dish,I have it,but I am thinking that after finishing up the stock I may replace this with another animal's liver+kidney,and feed gizzard when I buy whole chicken andcome with.

,>veal heart

Never seen at grocerystore but is it reasonable priced? If yes,you can feed it as boneless meal but maybe want to start from small amount to feed.

>, beef liver,

If the price were good,it is good one to order I think. some stores like shoppers carry beef liver,pork liver etc as well. You may want to check the price from store and compare.

>ground beef,ground turkey, ground pork.

I don't feed any meat that is ground. I rather buy hunk of big meat not ground.

Only ground products I may find it useful is Green Tripe. 'cause you cannot get it from normal grocery store. But this item is not required item.

yassy

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7d. Re: Looking for advice
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:06 pm ((PDT))

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Aw, I also have a 55 lb pitty! And I agree with you - I don't feed
ground either, and I think backs and necks are too bony. If you do
decide to feed those, I would feed along with a portion of boneless
meat as well, just to get the balance right.

I've fed mine pork neck bones as a snack before, but again, I don't
recommend it unless you feed it along with a good meaty meat portion
as well.

I also feed her approximately 8-10 lbs of food a week, if that helps
you at all. :)

-Steph
Scarlet
Lucy
Minkey

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "erica" <ericagordon@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I joined a raw deeding coop & they are ordering this week!
> After reviewing my options I'm not sure if I want anything from
this
> particular order. I have available, beef back ribs, chicken necks,
> chicken backs, chicken gizzards, veal heart, beef liver, ground
beef,
> ground turkey, ground pork.
>
> I feed much meater bones than any of those & I don't feed ground
> meat. I follow more of a prey diet, although I do buy larger
parts.
> So I'm feeling like it isn't worth it. Maybe to fill in for the
> bonless meals? The price on the chicken necks is great, but I
don't
> feed them. I have a 55 lb pitty, I think she would swallow them
> whole. I was considering the turkey necks until I saw the price.
It
> went up to $.99/lb shich is the same price I pay for turkey legs &
> wings, so it hardley seems worth it. How about the beef back ribs
or
> chicken backs? Not meaty enough?
>
> TIA for you advice!
> Erica
>

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8a. how long to hold out with not eating
Posted by: "Heather Robertson" clasix2003@rnsmte.com lotsadogz2003
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:52 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I have 10 dogs and when I fed rabbit(whole, fur on) I had 3 dogs that decided they did not like Rabbit. It took 4 days of trying the rabbit for about 15 min each day and nothing else, no treats!!! and they all ate it. You just have to wait till they are hungry. Be firm, don't feel guilty and make sure no one else is slipping them treats.
Good Luck, Heather

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8b. how long to hold out with not eating
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:24 pm ((PDT))

My Toy Poodle, Molly, has held out for four days with no food, with no
visible problem, even when she weighed a big three pounds, soaking wet.
She used to do this all the time when I gave her something she would
like to see permanently removed from the menu (which still happens to be
everything but chicken).

Naturally I was completely freaked out, at first, but eventually she
always ate. This group saved me from a lifetime (Molly's) of trying to
please a picky picky eater. Thank God for this group!

BTW, she still pulls this little trick from time to time; testing,
testing. I am SO on to her little games! I want a happy healthy dog, and
there is no way to get a healthy dog if she only eats chicken, which is
so very clearly her preference. She gets it once a week, IF she's lucky.

Carolyn J. Garnaas and Molly, Extraordinarily OPINIONATED Toy Poodle

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9a. Re: dogs chewing RMBs
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:19 pm ((PDT))

Jody,

Well, the way he eats is the way he eats! :-) Does he start to eat
the bones, or does he at least seem like he WANTS to eat the bones? Or
do you think he's trying to avoid eating the bones and wouldn't eat
them if you left them?

You mentioned he does well with whole rabbit. So, how does he approach
those bones? Forgive me if I missed anything. Does he strip all the
meat off the bones and eat those separately?

There are many reasons why you hear "no naked bones." Some people think
soup bones are a meal, but dogs need meat. Lots of the naked bones
that are sold are the big leg bones from cows, etc. and are tooth-
wreckers. Plus, it's just usually not a good use of money to buy bare
bones. Also, fed alone, when a dog is hungry, he's just more likely to
gobble it down stupidly. I think they can also get dried out after
awhile and be more difficult to digest. But if it's an appropriate-
size bone, and part of the whole package/critter and it comes after
some tackling, figuring, and eating/satiation, they just aren't as
excited or stupid. Of course, some dogs will be more careful or dainty
and this isn't an issue.

So, the "bones covered in meat" recommendation is what it sounds like
you're doing (except for turkey necks). How he eats might make it be
harder for you to regulate the meat/bone ratio (which isn't critical,
you just need to know the tolerance of your dog to avoid chronic runny
poops or constipation), but I doubt he's going to choke. I mean, if he
meticulously cleans off the bones, I doubt he'd then try to gulp a
large hunk of bone. I think you've got to give it a try and get over
the fear of the unknown. Find what you think is the safest thing (Ask
for recommendations if you want. Maybe a 1 lb. hunk of pork or lamb
neck with some added meat, or a goat leg/shoulder?) and let him eat
some of the bones next time and tell us how it goes. If it gets down
to a small piece you're afraid of, take it away (trade him for a nice
treat/piece of meat so he doesn't become afraid of you taking his
food). But at least let him get started. I think he'll do great! :-)

Does that help? Feel free to ask any clarifying questions.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "luvmyberner_bernerlove"
<jodycaira@...> wrote:
>> But when I give him say, a goat quarter, over several meals - what
is
> left is a stripped bare skeleton. Again, something that looks to me
> like a hazard. So I take it away and rob him of that important part
of
> the meal.
>
> I read time and time again that it's recommended that a dog should
eat
> bones while covered in lots of meat.
>
> So, separately is okay?
>

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10. Bony bunny bits
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:45 pm ((PDT))

I have noticed that both of my dogs will typically vomit up some tiny
bone fragments the day after eating rabbit. This doesn't happen with
any other meals. Anyone else experience this? I'm not concerned, just
curious.
-Renee W.

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11. Dachsie puppy who is too thin
Posted by: "K Carolyn Ramamurti" lilith23360@yahoo.com lilith23360
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:09 pm ((PDT))

I have two mini doxies I have been raw feeding since they came to live with me at three months. They are now two weeks away from their first birthday.

One is getting too thin for my taste. She eats at least 1/3 more than the other (who is a chunk!), but just doesn't gain weight.

She is otherwise healthy; has recently been checked by the vet and has a glossy coat, bright little eyes and a good energy level.

They get a ton of exercise, which I would not want to curtail....

I feed the "usual" prey model; 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs. Usual meals for me are beef short-ribs; pork picnic roasts, butt roasts or ribs; lamb ribs or shoulders; beef, pork or chicken livers; game hens (their favorite) or chickens. They occasionally get fish and I just found them some beef heart and tongue.

Any suggestions for a little dachsie who is too thin?

Thanks in advance,

Carolyn in Seattle

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12a. Re: {RawFeeding & Raw Chat}Sharing meat between dogs
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:10 pm ((PDT))

Hi Brandi,

I think it's best to give each dog their own piece.

Sometimes even a polite dog will try and swallow something to large
if they think another dog is going to get it..........

I have two dogs and give each their own plate, they do move back and
forth between plates, checking each others out before they settle
down to eat and sometimes even exchange meals, lol.....

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:

> I know some of you can throw a hunk of meat to your dogs and they
can
> eat nicely together. Not real sure about mine. However I did find
> out just now that my GS puppy is a very aggressive eater - i gave
Any suggestions? Feed back?
>
> Thanks in advanced
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, Ok
> www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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