Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12015

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Topics in this digest:

1a. HELP! First time and he threw it all up!
From: Jenny
1b. Re: HELP! First time and he threw it all up!
From: Sandee Lee
1c. Re: HELP! First time and he threw it all up!
From: Laurie Swanson

2. Re: re wild-caught fish
From: tantelin22@aol.com

3a. Re: Puppy throws up and soft stools
From: Laurie Swanson

4a. Re: amalyse(sp?)-irritated pancreas
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: multiple dogs/food aggression (was: My first raw shopping trip..
From: Laurie Swanson

6a. Re: [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
From: Sandee Lee
6b. Re: [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
From: Giselle

7a. Re: collies and shedding
From: Trish Chapman
7b. collies and shedding
From: Giselle

8a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: costrowski75
8b. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: ginny wilken

9a. Re: Feeding wild game
From: Giselle
9b. Re: Feeding wild game
From: Morledzep@aol.com
9c. Re: Feeding wild game
From: WAGC

10a. Re: Collie
From: Morledzep@aol.com

11a. Re: Introducing myself and Zachary
From: Mia-Shay Emery

12. Can I Feed Just the Turkey Leg?
From: morkydzgrl

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1a. HELP! First time and he threw it all up!
Posted by: "Jenny" jguttormson@austin.rr.com lexx827
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:21 pm ((PDT))

So, I took others' advice and kept the amount down for my 67lb 7yo
bassett. I gave him a 3/4 lb chicken breast. He liked it and had fun
eating it, even if he did have a lot of problems figuring out how to
bite of chewable pieces. He turned up his nose at the chicken livers.
However, not 10 minutes after eating, he threw it all up. What should
I do? Does this mean he can't adjust? From everything I read, any dog
can change to raw, but I'm not sure what my next step should be to help
him transition.

Thanks,
Jenny G. & Riley(who's now still hungry!)

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1b. Re: HELP! First time and he threw it all up!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:32 pm ((PDT))

Let him eat it again! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Jenny" <jguttormson@austin.rr.com>

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1c. Re: HELP! First time and he threw it all up!
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 4:19 am ((PDT))

Just keep trying. Let us know how he's doing tomorrow or the next
day. It might be better when all the kibble's completely out of his
system, but sometimes it just takes a bit for their digestive systems
to get up to speed.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jenny" <jguttormson@...> wrote:

> However, not 10 minutes after eating, he threw it all up. What
should
> I do?

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2. Re: re wild-caught fish
Posted by: "tantelin22@aol.com" tantelin22@aol.com tantelindar
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

Please remember to consult the information from your local fish-and-game
department if you plan to feed your dogs any wild-caught fish. Here in New York
State that information has, for years, including a warning re the mercury
and dioxin content of Great Lakes fish and the advise that no human should eat
more than one meal a month of this fish.

If your goal is to feed your dogs human-quality food, make sure it really is
human-quality food.

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3a. Re: Puppy throws up and soft stools
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:23 pm ((PDT))

Hi Vickie,

Do you feed on a schedule? How old is your dog? How many times a
day do you feed? Do you normally feed early in the morning and have
changed that schedule? The bile vomits are usually due to expecting
food and not getting it--the stomach gears up with all the
acids/enzymes and then gets rid of them when they're not needed to
digest food. The solution is to randomize the feeding and not do it
at precise times, but if you get back to us with more details, we can
help you more specifically.

As far as the mucousy/soft stool, what are you feeding exactly?

Sorry about the disagreement w/your hubby. That does make it tough.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "vickies_28" <vickies_28@...>
wrote:

> all was pretty much going OK, but in the last 2 days, the dog threw
up
> bile - woke us up at 4 am 2 nights in a row. He didnm't seem to be
> distirbed by it or anything. But my hubby says it's a direct
> indication that he cannot digest raw food, plus he also has
> continuosly soft stools, or mucusy even.

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4a. Re: amalyse(sp?)-irritated pancreas
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:23 pm ((PDT))

An elevation of 2 points on one enzyme is probably not cause for concern.
Was the dog fasting? Any symptoms??

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "beckie716" <beckie716@yahoo.com>

I just got back from the vet. He ran a blood panel on her. he says
normal pancreas levels are up to 1010. and hers is 1012.
Diagnosis-feed only "dog food". Should I be concerned?

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5a. Re: multiple dogs/food aggression (was: My first raw shopping trip..
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:24 pm ((PDT))

Hi Ginger,

I only have one dog and no multiple dog experience, so I don't know
how serious this is and I would definitely err on the side of caution
with separate eating areas, etc. However, I just wanted to say that
you could be right that this may decrease after he is on raw awhile.
It is a new, much higher-value food right now--this does come up at
times, and sometimes dogs can act a bit different in the beginning as
they adjust and figure out this is their permanent diet. It also
could be bringing out sort of latent issues that you will need to
work on with training, though.

So, there have been some discussions about feeding multiple dogs here
and then they usually go on to RawChat--you might check the
archives. Feel free to post any other questions.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Bailes2 <gingerb@...> wrote:
The only
> thing is he is being VERY aggressive with the other dogs during and
> right after I feed them.

I'm hoping that once he
> realizes he's going to get this every meal he won't be quite so
> aggressive.

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6a. Re: [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:25 pm ((PDT))

Depends on where you live...it's illegal in some States. Even at that, you
might be able to get permission! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@gmail.com>

> You know you've crossed over to the dark side (raw) when you see a
> dead deer carcass on the side of the road with buzzards pecking at it
> and think "Man wish I had a butchers knife"
>
> LOL -
>
> You can't really do that can you? Pick up a dead animal off the road
> take it home clean it off and feed it to your dogs could you...I mean
> if you saw the deer get hit and knew that it was dead, possible???

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6b. Re: [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:52 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Brandi!
We call it "the raw side". ^_^
Some recent messages from the group; I did a search for 'road kill'.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/msearch?query=road+kill&submit=Search&charset=ISO-8859-1
http://tinyurl.com/2j5f6v
TC
Giselle

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7a. Re: collies and shedding
Posted by: "Trish Chapman" twotheark@verizon.net twotheark
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:30 pm ((PDT))

Howard,
I don't have collies, so it may be different for you. I noticed a lot less
shedding when I switched to raw. I used to have a Samoyed and currently
have a short haired mixed breed, a Golden Retriever, and a Great Pyreness
and the reduced shedding alone makes feeding raw worth it to me. However,
when it comes time for them to "blow coat" - watch out! They seem to have a
better coat overall so that seems to make more hair loss for the seasonal
shedding.

Trish

----- Original Message ----- >
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...>
> wrote:
>> Does raw fed diet help with extra shedding of collies?
>>
>> Sincerely,,
>>
>> Howard

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7b. collies and shedding
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 12:03 am ((PDT))

Hi, Howard!
Some people report that their dogs shed a lot when first
switched to raw.
Most seem to conclude that it is related to getting rid of poor coat
and growing a healthier one.
Here's a link to messages on the group's archives about shedding;
http://tinyurl.com/27zgdm
Fish oil, which may help a bit;
http://tinyurl.com/27duvr
and hypothyroidism, which poor coat and shedding can be a symptom of;
http://tinyurl.com/ysccoy
HTH
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Does raw fed diet help with extra shedding of collies?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Howard

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8a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:59 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
>
> >Crab and lobster shells are a convenient source
>
> Hi,Chris. so,you saying that we can feed raw crab (the one you can
deepfry to make soft crab sandwhich),raw Robster with shell on?
*****
If I EVER hear that you fed Palette a lovely soft shell crab sandwich
I-I-I just don't know WHAT I'll do! Oh, I just do not want to know.
Send those sandwiches to me.

But more to the point, I never said you can or should feed raw crab
or lobster to your dog, no. I wrote (or meant to write) that these
shells when ground are regularly used in glucosamine supplements.

OTOH, I don't see why you could not offer crab or lobster to your dog
except for the profound sense of loss I would feel for not being able
to eat fresh crab and lobster myself.

> I have fed crab but it was canned crab because I was not sure if
I can feed soft shell crab raw.
*****
I don't really see the point in feeding raw crab to Palette but if
you want to, sure, why not?

> If i get to see them with cheaper price,I can feed it as is or
need to pinch off sharp scissors before feeding?
*****
Honestly, I have no idea.
Chris O

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8b. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:57 pm ((PDT))

On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:57 PM, costrowski75 wrote:

>
>> I have fed crab but it was canned crab because I was not sure if
> I can feed soft shell crab raw.
> *****
> I don't really see the point in feeding raw crab to Palette but if
> you want to, sure, why not?

Tomo has had the pleasure of being fed raw crab at a commercial
fishing pier in a town to which we fly occasionally. The guys were
unloading the crab catch, and there were extra limbs flying about,
and Tomo asked if he could pick them up. I said yes, the fish guys
said, "You're gonna kill your dog!" and he ate all he could find,
with tourists marveling at the sight. He didn't eat any massive
claws, just legs, but these were big Dungeness crabs and the legs
were a good mouthful, and pointy to boot.

ginny and Tomo

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9a. Re: Feeding wild game
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:44 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Jennifer!
This topic comes up a lot.
Here's a list of recent discussions from the group's archives;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/msearch?query=wild+game&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
http://tinyurl.com/2v8rkm
TC
Giselle
with Bea in new Jersey

> Hey everyone.
> I have the opportunity to receive wild game from a co-worker who traps
> during the season. (beaver, mink, fisher, etc...)
> My hesitation comes from the fear of rabies, and distemper.
> Has anyone fed wild game and/or is the risk just to high.
>
> Jennifer, Rohan, Bella, Jack, Emmi, Moco, & Archimedes
>

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9b. Re: Feeding wild game
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 12:37 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/7/2007 9:20:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jstalter2ksndj@aol.com writes:

Has anyone fed wild game and/or is the risk just to high.

***the risk is minimal.. our problem is that we don't have the resources to
get that kinda stuff for our dogs.. or even ourselves for that matter.

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9c. Re: Feeding wild game
Posted by: "WAGC" wagc@sasktel.net frustrated_tracey
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 4:20 am ((PDT))

I've fed my dog, deer steaks and ground moose.. i have jack rabbit frozen but he doesnt eat enough yet to finish a whole one yet.
this year my plan is to hunt deer but cut it up for him and not for me, cept the loins of course.

Tracey

----- Original Message -----
From: Morledzep@aol.com
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Feeding wild game

In a message dated 9/7/2007 9:20:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jstalter2ksndj@aol.com writes:

Has anyone fed wild game and/or is the risk just to high.

***the risk is minimal.. our problem is that we don't have the resources to
get that kinda stuff for our dogs.. or even ourselves for that matter.

Catherine R.

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10a. Re: Collie
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 12:08 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:45:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sovereign1@i-is.com writes:

Recently since switching there has been a drastic increase in shedding. WE
have read other
posts for shedding problems. Is there any specific raw food that is good for
shedding
problems, or supplement relevant to Collie shedding?

Norman,

lots of dogs shed dead hair and skin when they first start a raw diet,
especially dogs that had skin and hair issues to begin with.

Maybe your collie had skin problems you didn't notice, and now that she's
getting healthier and losing the dead hair you're just now finding out?

Our collie lost a lot of hair after we switched, but the hair that grew in to
replace it is BEAUTIFUL. this is also a BAD time of year for long haired
dogs, we've got naked akitas and a half naked malamute/wolf from the heat.

What i normally do is when the heat comes i add salmon oil to their food a
couple times a week and i feed fattier meats as much as possible. This year i
was in a bad place before my surgery in July, and wasn't able to pay attention
to the world around me. I missed the signs and now my dogs are naked..

I also add salmon oil to their food in the winter when the air is dry and
cold. Another bad time for itchy and dry skin and possible shedding.

Catherine R.

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11a. Re: Introducing myself and Zachary
Posted by: "Mia-Shay Emery" briarbaby_04@yahoo.com briarbaby_04
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 4:19 am ((PDT))

Hi Andrea,
Nice to meet you,

Just buy a bunch of whole chickens, whack them up into quarters, and feed to dog.

Ok chopped up chicken, bones and all? and just into quarters? no smaller? about how much should I give him per day? He's a full grown afghan and this chicken looks a bit small by comparison. So one chicken? a half chicken? or two?

What is considered edible bone? (other than, obviously, chicken.)

After a week is it ok to give him game meat? Hunting season starts tomorrow and he always gets the heart and liver when my friends get a deer.

Thank you,
Mia

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12. Can I Feed Just the Turkey Leg?
Posted by: "morkydzgrl" ShankMa4@aol.com morkydzgrl
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 5:04 am ((PDT))

Can I feed my dog just the turkey leg? (Without it being attached to
the thigh?) My dog is 30 lbs.

I went ahead and gave him the turkey leg yesterday but he refused it.
I offered the leg (hoping it was okay to just feed the leg) two more
times. I left the turkey leg down on the ground for 10 minutes, then I
picked it up. I have noticed that he likes beef, pork, and lamb. He
has refused chicken before and ate turkey once.

So basically he didn't eat yesterday because of refusing the turkey
leg. (I did give him two eggs yesterday morning, but that was all he
ate all day.) Would you suggest I continue feeding the turkey leg until
he eats it, or should I take this as a cue not to feed poultry? And is
it okay not to feed poultry?

Thanks!

Cindi

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