[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12013

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
From: Trish Chapman
1b. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
From: Andrea
1c. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
From: Steve Gomes
1d. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
From: wandaful

2a. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: Steve Gomes
2b. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: momentumm5
2c. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: Yasuko herron
2d. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: Christine

3a. Introducing myself and Zachary
From: Mia-Shay Emery
3b. Re: Introducing myself and Zachary
From: Andrea

4a. Re: Thank you!
From: delcaste

5a. Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
From: Marion
5b. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
From: Giselle
5c. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
From: Sandee Lee

6a. Re: Old subject, new dog
From: mob1043

7a. Re: New to this: how much to feed to start?
From: cmhausrath

8a. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
From: Sunshine S. Patron

9. Collie
From: Norman

10. Re: coprophagy
From: Michael Moore

11a. Re: COPROPHAGY
From: nwohiopma
11b. Re: collies and shedding
From: Howard Salob

12a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
From: Erica Gordon
13b. Re: It has been a month on raw!
From: Casey Post

14. intro myself and question on off grid living and raw feeding
From: rokedemyah

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1a. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
Posted by: "Trish Chapman" twotheark@verizon.net twotheark
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:42 am ((PDT))

Steve,
No, wings are too bony.

Trish

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Gomes" <gomes@alamedanet.net>

> Would the higher bone to meat ratio offered by wings make it a better
> whole food than other chicken parts?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve

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1b. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:42 am ((PDT))

No, the other way around. You want mostly meat and only a little
bone. Besides the fact that wings are so small that most dogs can try
to swallow them whole and choke on them. Whole chickens are far
superior.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Gomes" <gomes@...> wrote:
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> Would the higher bone to meat ratio offered by wings make it a better
> whole food than other chicken parts?

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1c. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
Posted by: "Steve Gomes" gomes@alamedanet.net stvgomes
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:27 am ((PDT))

Thanks all. A holdover from BARF several years ago, which recommended
wings, it is clear I have to update my learning. I will start out with
quarters.

Thanks again.

Steve

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1d. Re: Chicken wings vs other parts??
Posted by: "wandaful" rondarosa@ftcnet.net rondaros
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

Seems I am always confused. I am beginning to have a few doubts now....the breeder sent me home with ground food and chicken necks, saying this was the way to feed the tiny puppy. Guess I need to ask specifically.....what should I be feeding a 15 week old 2.5 pound toy poodle puppy?
wanda

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2a. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "Steve Gomes" gomes@alamedanet.net stvgomes
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:26 am ((PDT))

Steph,

New here, but I would caution this because, legal or not, I know some
people put out poison for squirrels, and other "pests".

Steve

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2b. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "momentumm5" Momentumm5@aol.com momentumm5
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

Wouldn't it also be dependent on what you are shooting or killing them
with. I am not a hunter so I am not certain how hard it might be to
remove buckshot/leadshot etc. from a dead squirrel. Some of it might be
toxic to the dog???

Chris in Michigan.

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2c. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:43 pm ((PDT))

>sometimes theDalmatian corners one in the garage and the Corgi finishes it off, and
>no harm done so far, LOL!

Hi. It may not be a good idea though. I am already thinking that backyard may not be good place to let my dog be dog due squirrels.

My dog sniff out squirrels poo and ate it the other day,and was wondering if squirrels poo is any bad to dogs health.

I searched searched last days,no luck finding info but today,it got me alerted.

Wild squirrels can be carrier of leptrospirosis....

http://www.mayfairvet.com/lepto.htm

http://www.247wildlife.com/wildlifediseases.htm

To infect our dogs,the squirrels have to be infected in the first place I am thinking,so,chances to get infected be maybe low,but this reading freaked me out.

Some dogs never show any symptons,some sites wrote and get liver or kidney prob later.

I am thinking,I usually play ball with my dog ball but,better to change early morning walk and usual evening walk.....

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2d. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "Christine" chrizk20@yahoo.com chrizk20
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:44 pm ((PDT))

But diseases are everywhere! And much more worse ones then that one!
You and your dogs/pets can't live in a bubble for the rest of your
life!
I guess I look at this way, If you/your pets have a healthy immune
system and a properly trained classical homeopath, with no
vaccines/no pesticides/no toxins, and are raw feed, it will greater
your chances of warding off diseases because your body is not
compromised and can fight diseases on its own.

Don't get me wrong, if i see my dogs eating something - like rabbit
poop or something, i do try to discourage it, but thats only because
its gross to me...

just my two sense!
christine k.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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>
> >sometimes theDalmatian corners one in the garage and the Corgi
finishes it off, and
> >no harm done so far, LOL!
>
> Hi. It may not be a good idea though. I am already thinking that
backyard may not be good place to let my dog be dog due squirrels.
>
> My dog sniff out squirrels poo and ate it the other day,and was
wondering if squirrels poo is any bad to dogs health.
>
> I searched searched last days,no luck finding info but today,it
got me alerted.
>
> Wild squirrels can be carrier of leptrospirosis....
>
>

http://www.mayfairvet.com/lepto.htm
>
>

http://www.247wildlife.com/wildlifediseases.htm
>
> To infect our dogs,the squirrels have to be infected in the first
place I am thinking,so,chances to get infected be maybe low,but this
reading freaked me out.
>
> Some dogs never show any symptons,some sites wrote and get liver
or kidney prob later.
>
> I am thinking,I usually play ball with my dog ball but,better to
change early morning walk and usual evening walk.....
>
> yassy
>
>
>
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>
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>

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3a. Introducing myself and Zachary
Posted by: "Mia-Shay Emery" briarbaby_04@yahoo.com briarbaby_04
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:26 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
My name is Mia Emery, I am proud to have an afghan hound named Zachary as a family member, he is my pride and joy.

Yesterday I found out what was in the kibble I have been feeding him. Needless to say I was horrified, nauseated and in tears, I spent the entire day apologizing to my dog. He will NEVER eat kibble again, so here I am asking for help and advice.

How do I safely switch Zach to a raw feed diet? What foods are acceptable for a raw feed diet?

He had sliced raw organic chicken and two big meaty bones last night, and this morning my husband confessed to giving him some cooked rice, potatoes and carrots. I put my foot down and said no more of that until I've learned the correct food to give him. Is a raw feed diet strictly a meat diet?

I thank you all in advance for any assistance you give me, I have a million questions but these will do for now,

Have a Great Day!
Mia Emery

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3b. Re: Introducing myself and Zachary
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:42 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Mia, you've come to the right place if you have lots and lots of
questions. You're starting out with some pretty easy ones too.

> How do I safely switch Zach to a raw feed diet? What foods are
acceptable for a raw feed diet?

It really is best to go cold turkey with a raw diet. Ki**le and
cooked food digest at different rates than raw food so something
doesn't get digested right if they get fed together. Just buy a
bunch of whole chickens, whack them up into quarters, and feed to
dog. It will take a week or two for both of you to get used to the
new diet, so if you stick with chicken a la chicken it should be a
less bumpy road.

> Is a raw feed diet strictly a meat diet?

A good raw diet is mostly meat, but you also need to include a little
edible bone and a little organ (about 80%, 10%, 10%). You want to
approximate what your pup would eat if he were a wolf in the wild.
The more whole the food is, the better off you are.

See, now that wasn't so bad, was it? Chicken for a week or two and
keep reading here. By the time you get to the end of the chicken week
(s), you'll be ready. Good luck.

Andrea

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4a. Re: Thank you!
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:27 am ((PDT))

***You could use an ex-pen (or a big cardboard box with the top and
bottom flaps folded up) to surround your dog and his eating rug, until
he learns to stay in his place while he's eating***

Giselle that is a great idea. My babies don't seem to quite get the rug
idea yet ;)

Silvina

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5a. Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
Posted by: "Marion" mbldesigns@yahoo.com mbldesigns
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:27 am ((PDT))

Called the vet this morning, he wanted to see Bernie for bloodwork and
Xray. So off to drop him off. Just got the results. Bloodwork:
pancreas and some liver numbers were 2-3 x over normal indicating the
ducts are inflammed. Xray showed no blockage and no masses, but did
show well formed fecal. So vet thinks the infection in the intestines
is gone and now we have inflamation in the adjacent organs' ducts. So
finish off the last few remaining pills and add a new antibiotic that
will go through the liver. He mentioned sending me home with some
different food for now. As a next step if he doesn't get better after 3-
4 days, he would send Bernie off for an ultrasound, but that could
prove to be cost prohibitive. He says there's no reason Bernie isn't
eating except for a tummyache. His weight is down 1 pound.

So with this new information, what would you recommend I feed him?

Thanks bunches,
Marion

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5b. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 2:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Marion!
Boneless chicken breast with the fat and skin trimmed off
would be good.
Chicken broth, to keep him well hydrated, would be good, too.
Slippery Elm Bark Powder should soothe his digestive system enough for
him to start feeling like eating;
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm

You can also find it in a health food store.
You could sprinkle it on the chicken, or stir it into the broth. Or
mix 1 tsp to 1 ounce of ground or chopped chicken meat. You can make a
pound of it, mix it up and make 1 ounce (or 1/2 ounce) meatballs out
of the mix. You can freeze some, as they thaw quickly. I'd feed him
3-5 a day, between meals and before a meal, too. His stools probably
will come out mucousy, but thats the effect of the SEBP, it coats the
intestines and reduces inflammation.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Called the vet this morning, he wanted to see Bernie for blood work and
> X-ray. So off to drop him off. Just got the results. Blood work:
> pancreas and some liver numbers were 2-3 x over normal indicating the
> ducts are inflamed. Xray showed no blockage and no masses, but did
> show well formed fecal. So vet thinks the infection in the intestines
> is gone and now we have inflammation in the adjacent organs' ducts. So
> finish off the last few remaining pills and add a new antibiotic that
> will go through the liver. He mentioned sending me home with some
> different food for now. As a next step if he doesn't get better after 3-
> 4 days, he would send Bernie off for an ultrasound, but that could
> prove to be cost prohibitive. He says there's no reason Bernie isn't
> eating except for a tummy ache. His weight is down 1 pound.
>
> So with this new information, what would you recommend I feed him?
>
> Thanks bunches,
> Marion
>

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5c. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:19 pm ((PDT))

I guess I would feed small frequent easy to digest meals (such as chicken
breast), no bone, remove fat...you can warm it up if need be to entice him.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Marion" <mbldesigns@yahoo.com>

Bloodwork:
pancreas and some liver numbers were 2-3 x over normal indicating the
ducts are inflammed. Xray showed no blockage and no masses, but did
show well formed fecal. So vet thinks the infection in the intestines
is gone and now we have inflamation in the adjacent organs' ducts. So
finish off the last few remaining pills and add a new antibiotic that
will go through the liver.
So with this new information, what would you recommend I feed him?

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6a. Re: Old subject, new dog
Posted by: "mob1043" ynotbeastar@marykay.com mob1043
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> During the transition to raw a little bright red blood in the stool
> isn't uncommon. It just means that the lower bowel was irritated.
Are
> you feeding whole chickens or just a specific part? You might have
too
> much bone or too much food. Depending on how small the bit of
liver
> was, it might have caused the loose stools as well. It isn't that
> puppies are too young for organ meats, you just have to introduce
it
> slowly for some dogs.
>
> Andrea
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mob1043" <ynotbeastar@> wrote:
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> > Tonight we noticed the two little ones have had diarrhea and the
> > silky has some blood mixed in. She seems energetic and
normal...I
> > have been feeding strictly chicken w/ bone according to weight
> > recommendations.
> > Why do you think the bloody stool? Could this have anything to
do
> > with eating small bit of chicken liver and are pups to young for
> > organ meats?
>
Hi Andrea:

Thank you for your response.

I think maybe they are getting a bit to much bone because although I
am trying to balance it out, it seems like they are getting 50/50
meat/bone. I am used to feeding big mastiff dogs so I am learning
all over again with the teeny dogs.

I have been feeding strictly chicken at this point, cornish game hens
actually due to the softness of the bone.

Michele

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7a. Re: New to this: how much to feed to start?
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:34 pm ((PDT))

"Jenny" <jguttormson@...> wrote:

> I am new to raw feeding and want to get my 7 yr old bassett hound
> started on it. He's 67 lbs, not overweight, and is active for a
> bassett hound. I read that a good baseline is to feed them 2-3% of
body
> weight daily. That comes out to about 1.6lbs a day.

While this sounds about right -- and might be where you end up -- it
seems a smidge high. Since one of the common problems new raw
feeders have is overexuberance (and resulting digestive distress),
you may be better off starting smaller. If it were me, I'd probably
start around 1.25 pounds, and add some food after a week or so if the
dog started looking too slim.

That said, bear in mind that every dog is an individual. My hound
mix is between 60 and 65 pounds, and he currently eats about 1.5
pounds a day -- but he's been as high as a couple pounds a day, when
he's very active, or as low as 1.25 pounds a day, when we're both
being lazy slugs (generally the dead of winter). The great thing is
that as you get used to feeding raw, you'll stop paying much
attention to exact weights -- you'll know about how much is right,
and you'll vary the meal sizes based on how the dog looks. I know
that I need to buy a little more than 10# a week to keep my dog fed,
but beyond that I pay no attention to what individual meals weigh.

Any more questions as you start, or are you ready to go??

-- sandy & griffin

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8a. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
Posted by: "Sunshine S. Patron" sbr_minirex@yahoo.com sbr_minirex
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:43 pm ((PDT))

Hi Terri,
If these are only 2 pound rabbits, then yes, that is too much to
pay... but it would be a good price for say, a 6-9 pound rabbit, IMO.

A single rabbit raised to 14 weeks of age, costs me just over $1 per
pound of body weight to produce, therefore euthanized whole rabbits I
sell for no less than $1.50 per pound, so you really should not be
paying any more than $3.00 for a 2 pound rabbit. I also offer
dressed rabbits, so the price goes up from there according to how much
work is involved.

Hope this helps,
Sunshine S. Patron

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> I was offered some rabbits for $6.00 each. I weighed some already
skinned that another person gave me & they weighed about 2lbs. Is
that too much for rabbit?

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9. Collie
Posted by: "Norman" sovereign1@i-is.com signmakernorman
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:45 pm ((PDT))

Bonnie is a full size Scotch Collie.

We are new to feeding raw, about 2 months now, and am wondering if anyone has Collie
Sepcific information on raw feeding. Bonnie seems to shy away from Turkey, loves Chicken.

Recently since switching there has been a drastic increase in shedding. WE have read other
posts for shedding problems. Is there any specific raw food that is good for shedding
problems, or supplement relevant to Collie shedding?

Thanks, Norman
sovereign1@i-is.com

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10. Re: coprophagy
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 12:45 pm ((PDT))

>>Has anyone noticed if raw feeding effects changes in a dog with
coprophagy?<<

Steve -- in my experience, no. Dogs who were poop-eaters on ki**le remained poop eaters on raw foods. And, dogs without that habit did not develop it when switched to raw. My puppies, from a rawfed dam, and weaned to raw, have not developed the habit, but whether it's related to their diet is unknown.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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11a. Re: COPROPHAGY
Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:06 pm ((PDT))

Hi Steve,

YES! My Danny ate poop when he and the other dogs were on kibble. He
stopped completely and for good after his first raw meal. It's the
reason I switched to raw. They've been on raw since Nov. 1st, 2006
and he hasn't eaten poop since then.

Candace and the 4 Collies

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Gomes" <gomes@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone noticed if raw feeding effects changes in a dog with
> coprophagy?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
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11b. Re: collies and shedding
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

Dear Candace,

Does raw fed diet help with extra shedding of collies?

Sincerely,,

Howard

Candace and the 4 Collies

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12a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

>Crab and lobster shells are a convenient source

Hi,Chris. so,you saying that we can feed raw crab (the one you can deepfry to make soft crab sandwhich),raw Robster with shell on?

I have fed crab but it was canned crab because I was not sure if I can feed soft shell crab raw.

If i get to see them with cheaper price,I can feed it as is or need to pinch off sharp scissors before feeding?

Thank you

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13a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
Posted by: "Erica Gordon" ericagordon@sbcglobal.net ericagsweet
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

Yes, thanks for all of the awesome info provided here! Sophie won't take the caps without the peanut butter. I even tried sliting holes into her meat & inserting the capsules into the meat & she ate the meat & left the salmon oil caps on the ground! So I guess peanut butter it is, unless anyone else has any ideas?

Erica

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13b. Re: It has been a month on raw!
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 2:59 pm ((PDT))

> Yes, thanks for all of the awesome info provided here! Sophie won't take
> the caps without the peanut butter. I even tried sliting holes into her
> meat & inserting the capsules into the meat & she ate the meat & left the
> salmon oil caps on the ground! So I guess peanut butter it is, unless
> anyone else has any ideas?

Sorry, I missed the original question, but it sounds like you're trying to
get fish oil caps into a reluctant dog? If so, I've found that chicken
hearts are GREAT for hiding things - just slip it into the heart and off you
go! Another valuable tip that I learned from this list!

Casey

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14. intro myself and question on off grid living and raw feeding
Posted by: "rokedemyah" rokedemyah@yahoo.com rokedemyah
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I just joined the groups and am learning about raw feeding. still
on kibble but this is the next logical step to our adventure of going
natural / organic so here I am. Plan on getting the books just have to
wait until payday.
We have four dogs; Baby Girl/ AKA Red, small poodle cross with what
we think might be wire terrier. She is THE Queen bee, she has been
here the longest and is 10 YO this next spring. she has the boys who
are way larger then her so whipped!

Puppy, (2 YO) hes a Dalmation pit cross and the sweetest thing you
ever seen as long as no one messes with him when we put the food out.
We rescued him when my son came in telling me about a short haired pup
no bigger then your hand chained up out side at the neighbors on a 10
degree winter day. He knew i was not going to say no but came in and
asked, then went over as offered to adopt, they did not blink an eye
and said yes. Some folks should not be allowed to have pets.

The comes Brownie from the pics online I really think he is a full
blood Italian mastiff. he was dropped off in the coldest part of a
north Idaho winter when we were visiting up there and adopted us. We
are not sure how old he is but he's a big lovable brick that weights a
ton if he decides he wants to sit on your lap like Baby girl and who
is loved like all the rest. (I Know I should train him better but he
really does think he is a lap dog. He does not understand WHY he can't
sit on our laps like Baby Girl. ) we have been working on getting his
eyes clear with herbs and hes doing great.

The last but not least is Foxy. (7 months old) He is supposed to be a
border collie malamute cross but I have my doubts. He has the color of
the border collie and the malamute eyes but he really looks like a
coyote pup in the face structure, thats ok we love him and he follows
my son and me like a lost child, lovable as the rest and has what I
suspect is the herd/ guard instinct from the fact he ALWAYS finds the
highest spot to sit when we are outside. My gut is he is going to be a
good LGD, so he stays.

I'm planning on adding to that number since cats & LGD's and
homesteading just go hand in hand in my book.

Long term goal is we are finally getting ready to move completely off
grid. It's completely raw land so if I want to start the raw feeding
asap I need to brainstorm some ideas until I get domesticated critters
set up for a food supply. Rabbits, ducks, chickens, goat sheep are all
part of it eventually. I'm getting electric set up little by little
but a freezer is not going to be an option for quite a while if ever.
Once we get the livestock set up and some inventory going this
becomes a moot point as I can slaughter as needed. Its 7 miles down a
less then dependable mountain road to town and trips just for food are
not something i want to have to do if avoidable.

My questions are these. Does any one have any practical experience
using dry ice and ice chest for long term (preferably a month at a
time or at least 2 weeks) food storage? As in how much dry ice do I
need. I have long ago read the burning man sites and building freezer
boxes that don't get opened until they are needed are a given once we
get ready to do this all the way. Has any one actually successfully
used one of those DC freezers that plug into your car lighter plug?
what was the pit falls? How often did you have to charge your car
battery to maintain it?

The UP side is we don't have to pack it in. We have a glorified goat
path that will allow my pick up. Hunting is an option although
skills in that area are sketchy. (if anyone wants a free hunt trip in
east Oklahoma on the condition you teach me and my son, email me
privately. BOW hunters preferred since that is what we have the most
of. Fishing MIGHT be an option but I don't know for sure if we have
fish in the pond yet.)
Storage is a major issue since we do have bear and mountain lion in
the area. I've got ideas on a
bear and lion "proof" set up although I have not as yet tested it
obviously.
Any and ALL ideas no matter how silly or outright goofy they might
sound are sure welcome.
Thanks

Barb

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