[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12008

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Bone question
From: Sandee Lee
1b. Re: Bone question
From: Laurie Swanson
1c. Re: Bone question
From: Andrea
1d. Re: Bone question
From: Rhonda

2a. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: Marion
2b. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: coriowen
2c. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
From: karimlizette
3b. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
From: wilsonfontaine
3c. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: Please, I really need your help
From: Tina Berry
4b. Re: Please, I really need your help
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: millser25

6a. Louie is getting better....I think
From: Tracy Meal
6b. Re: Louie is getting better....I think
From: costrowski75
6c. Re: Louie is getting better....I think
From: Casey Post

7a. Seizures and Raw diet
From: salinastarroute
7b. Re: Seizures and Raw diet
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. ADMIN/Re: diatomaceous earth
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: fatty ribs. . .
From: costrowski75
9b. Re: fatty ribs. . .
From: Morledzep@aol.com

10a. Re: diatomaceous earth
From: Morledzep@aol.com

11a. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
From: Morledzep@aol.com

12a. Re: Thank you!
From: Morledzep@aol.com

13a. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
From: Denise Strother

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1a. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Those are two compelling reasons to work through the raw issues and get that
girl off foods that are going to hasten the spread of these diseases.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Rhonda" <rhonda18@gmail.com>

Sorry I forgot to mention that I am not feeding Raw as I tried it and
had too many complications, she is Diabetic and has EPI and she can't
have the chicken bones as they are too hard to digest and other issues.

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1b. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:04 pm ((PDT))

Rhonda,

You're right--those bones aren't the safest (my dog has 2 chipped teeth
from them before I knew better--arrrgh!). What size is your dog? They
need edible bones, and they need big, awkward parts they have to sink
their teeth into and work at to help keep their mouths healthy. Best
is when those come together in their natural package of a prey animal
or a big hunk of one. This isn't always possible. I try to find meaty
hunks with a bit of bone in them that he has to tackle. But sometimes
I mix a hunk of boneless meat with some bony lamb necks. My 20 lb.
Boston completely eats lamb necks, ribs, and part of shanks; pork ribs
and necks; almost all goat bones (not sure about the long leg bones--
can't remember); any and all chicken, turkey, and rabbit bones.
Feeding bigger, like a half or whole chicken, or a whole rabbit, will
force your dog to dig in and work more for her food and clean her teeth
better. If you get skin-on, like with goat or pork, that helps with
teeth cleaning, too--they have to really gnaw on it and it gets all
around their gums, etc. When I give my dog a goat leg, he works on it
for about an hour. Now, I don't know if feeding something like a lamb
head is beyond your comfort zone right now, but when I recently tried
my first one (half a head), he looked the happiest he's ever been and
that kept him busy for a good hour or more and looked like it was great
for dental hygiene.

Other chewie ideas that you may be familiar with are bully sticks and
stuffing a Kong with ground meat and freezing for further challenge
(these keep my dog busy for a half hour or so). Not really any benefit
to the teeth, but if you just need something to fill in a boring meal
or day...

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Rhonda" <rhonda18@...> wrote:
I bought her "soup bones" to
> chew on but she gnaws and gnaws [did I spell that right?] and I feel
> like she is going to wear down her teeth, am I correct in thinking
this
> and should I be giving her a different kind of bone.

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1c. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:07 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Rhonda" <rhonda18@...> wrote:

> So definitely bones are not good to give to just chew on because
> they will wear down the teeth? She loves to chew on her bones for
> hours. What is an alternative?

It isn't all bones that will wear down teeth, just the large weight
bearing bones. I give my pup whole beef feet or pork feet for chewing
fun. You could try whole slabs of beef ribs too.

Andrea

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1d. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Rhonda" rhonda18@gmail.com rhondabrabbin
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:43 pm ((PDT))

Well part of the reason I am not feeding Raw is that My puppy 30lbs has
EPI [Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency ]
and cannot eat chicken bones cause they are too hard on her digestive
system, but she loves bones and I wish I could find one that wouldn't
hurt her teeth.

Oh well it is back to Raw hide then.

Rhonda

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> Rhonda,
>

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2a. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "Marion" mbldesigns@yahoo.com mbldesigns
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

OK, thank you. So just wait on them to start eating again? Even if
it takes 2-3 days??? Bernie is so old it scares me to not see him
eating and he's weak and can't jump the 8inches on the back porch
like he was doing on the rawfeed after not being able to for the past
2 years.

The vet said Bernie is definitely not a well dog by no means, but
there just is no need to put him through tons of tests and I agree.
This med has worked in the past, possible giardia or bacterial
infection, but I've soaked his kibble in water before to get him to
eat, but we're never doing kibble again so I didn't know what to feed
him that he would want to eat

Where do I find slippery elm bark?

Thanks so much,
Marion

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Part of the problem may be that you have tried everything...raw,
cooked,
> pureed, rice, oatmeal, pumpkin, etc.
>
> If you are certain there are no serious medical issues, I'd fast
them, maybe
> use some slippery elm bark to sooth their intestines and start all
over with
> some nice easy to digest chicken breasts...raw of course...until
they are
> eating and digesting well.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang

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2b. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:22 pm ((PDT))

You can find it at most health food stores and I used it for two of my
four when I first started on raw and it made them feel so much better
quickly.
Cori
>
> Where do I find slippery elm bark?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Marion

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2c. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:38 pm ((PDT))

I don't know...that's a long time for a sick dog to not eat. I'm not
really comfortable with vets prescribing drugs without knowing what's wrong.
I would want to know. He could have something serious that may require
treatment. Just a simple blood test would reveal if there's anything going
on with liver, kidneys, pancreas, etc. 12.5 is not old for a small breed.

Have you tried chicken to see if he'll eat it? Try warming it up a bit.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Marion" <mbldesigns@yahoo.com>

OK, thank you. So just wait on them to start eating again? Even if
it takes 2-3 days??? Bernie is so old it scares me to not see him
eating and he's weak and can't jump the 8inches on the back porch
like he was doing on the rawfeed after not being able to for the past
2 years.

The vet said Bernie is definitely not a well dog by no means, but
there just is no need to put him through tons of tests and I agree.
This med has worked in the past, possible giardia or bacterial
infection,

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3a. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
Posted by: "karimlizette" karimlizette@gmail.com karimlizette
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 2:58 pm ((PDT))

I just found some info on epilepsy and sent it to my mom. She has a 6
lb poodle who is having seizures. Don't quote me on this but I
thought this was worth a try. I found it at

www.rawdogranch.com under muscle meat

Muscle Meat - basically this is any meat without bones. Boneless
Chicken breasts, ground beef, turkey breast, beef or bison steaks,
beef heart (it really is a muscle and not an organ), pork butt, lamb,
deer meat, etc. Any boneless meat.
For our dogs we use beef heart and ground turkey. The beef heart is
rich in Taurine – an amino acid that has links to helping control
seizures. Dogs do not have a dietary requirement for taurine since
they can make it out of Vitamin B and amino acids currently in their
system. Cats cannot process taurine and must have some every day.
Taurine has also been shown to be a very effective supplement for
congestive heart failure.

You can get more info there. I hope this helps.

Karim

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3b. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
Posted by: "wilsonfontaine" wilsonfontaine@yahoo.com wilsonfontaine
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:00 pm ((PDT))

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Hi Sandee,

Thanks for your quick reply. Here is a link to the page I read warning against raw feeding
for epileptic dogs.http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/
Cautions_Raw_Food.htm
I really want to continue feeding her Raw, I'm just looking for any advise from anyone that
has a dog that has seizures and is OK on the raw food.

Thanks again,

Wilson

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> That's the first time I've heard that advice! Generally raw is the first
> change recommended for a dog with seizures. You definitely want to avoid
> carbohydrates and that would be pretty hard to do if you aren't feeding raw.

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3c. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:37 pm ((PDT))

Hi Wilson,

I did find that article and all I've got to say is consider the sources!
It's the all too common scare tactics about the dangers of bacteria from the
likes of Lisa Newman (we've discussed her nonsense frequently in the past),
recommending sources such as secondchanceranch which again is nothing but
fairy tales! I would ignore it!

You might want to do a search in the archives since we have discussed this
frequently on the list. Here are a couple to get you started.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/107359
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/107357

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "wilsonfontaine" <wilsonfontaine@yahoo.com>
Thanks for your quick reply. Here is a link to the page I read warning
against raw feeding
for epileptic dogs.http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/
Cautions_Raw_Food.htm
I really want to continue feeding her Raw, I'm just looking for any advise
from anyone that
has a dog that has seizures and is OK on the raw food.

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4a. Re: Please, I really need your help
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:05 pm ((PDT))

"Please help because I don't want to waste all my money buying inappropriate
meats and have my dogs suffer for mymistakes."

Deep breath - relax. Any raw meat is better than k** in a bag. I feed
whole chickens on sale for .69/lb when I can find them, otherwise they are
on deer meat all fall/winter with maybe one big boney meal per week and one
liver meal per week. They each get a raw egg daily with salmon oil (there's
a reason they call them german shedders) but seriously, I have four german
shepherds who either get chicken or deer meat. I prefer red meat year round
but ran out 2 months before hunting season starts. 10% bone, 10% organs and
80% meat - roughly and it doesn't have to be per meal, or per week, just
over the long run.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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4b. Re: Please, I really need your help
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:35 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:01:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ShankMa4@aol.com writes:

Does "meaty meat" refer to meat without bone?

YES..

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5a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:06 pm ((PDT))

Yassy,
A good source of trachea is GreenTripe.com. You can order frozen
trachea and frozen gullet, or you can order them ground in with the
green tripe. I get it ground in with the Green Tripe, and my dog
LOVES it!

Erica

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6a. Louie is getting better....I think
Posted by: "Tracy Meal" hiddenpoetinme1@yahoo.com hiddenpoetinme1
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:07 pm ((PDT))

Hi Mandy,

You wrote:
I can't help but think I am seeing an improvement in his coat since
putting him on the raw diet. (If ya don't remember, he has completely
lost all the hair in his groin, legs belly and chest. He looks like
he is part Chinese Crested) I groomed him yesterday and he didn't
lose much hair at all even when I used the rubber curry brush. Just 2
weeks ago (before I started the raw) he was losing hair by the garbage
bag!

I am a newbie here, feeding raw for 2 months. My rottie has hypothyroidism. Her coat was horrible prior to meds and rawfeeding. The meds did help some but rawfeeding is helping her to regain a fuller shiny coat.

You wrote:
I haven't put him on the meds that she gave me yet. I don't know if
that is the right thing to do or not. I don't want the meds to
interfere with my observation of the raw diet.....is that the right
thing to do? Should I be giving him the meds to? Or is the raw diet
going to help with his problem? Just not sure.

The meds are very important. You can get her levels re tested after a while on raw to make sure she still needs to be on the medication.

Tracy

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6b. Re: Louie is getting better....I think
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:34 pm ((PDT))

"mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...> wrote:
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> I haven't put him on the meds that she gave me yet. I don't know if
> that is the right thing to do or not. I don't want the meds to
> interfere with my observation of the raw diet.....is that the right
> thing to do? Should I be giving him the meds to? Or is the raw diet
> going to help with his problem?
*****
Mandy, definitely put him on the meds. A good raw diet can help the
immune system and do all sorts of great things to improve quality of
life but it can't fix a busted thyroid. You will need to keep Louie on
thyroid meds for the rest of his life and you will probably fine need
to adjust his dosage several times along the way.

Thyroid meds are the thing to do for Mister Louie.
Chris O

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6c. Re: Louie is getting better....I think
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 5:49 pm ((PDT))

>Should I be giving him the meds too?

Yes.

>> Or is the raw diet
> going to help with his problem?

No.

As Chris O. wisely says, the diet will help with all sorts of things, but it
will NOT cure hypothyroidism. Get him on the meds and retest him in the
near future to make sure his dosage is correct for him.

Casey

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7a. Seizures and Raw diet
Posted by: "salinastarroute" rbee29@gmail.com salinastarroute
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:07 pm ((PDT))

Has anyone seen their dog stop having seizures by switching to a raw
diet? They have been occuring about 30 days apart.
Thanks,
Rob Bardenett

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7b. Re: Seizures and Raw diet
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 4:11 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/6/2007 2:08:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rbee29@gmail.com writes:

Has anyone seen their dog stop having seizures by switching to a raw
diet? They have been occuring about 30 days apart.

Rob,

yes, we had a list member years ago with a seriously epileptic dog that
stopped having siezures when he was raw fed. She sent me her journal to share with
folks that need it. If you email me off list i'll send it to you.

And my hubby had a epileptic golden/wolf cross that they discovered early on
that his seizures were worse when he got lots of sugary snacks (him and his
wife at the time were still childless and therefore the canine members of the
family were treated like children.. they even opened their own presents at
christmas.. lol).

He learned by trial and error and it has been proven that carbs cause or make
seizures more frequent and more difficult. Reducing the dogs' stress is also
a big help in controlling siezures.

Catherine R.

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8a. ADMIN/Re: diatomaceous earth
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))

Please take this thread to RawChat.
Thank you.
Chris O
Mod Team

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9a. Re: fatty ribs. . .
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:28 pm ((PDT))

"Bj" <seawindbullies@...> wrote:
>> I got some beef ribs for good price but noticed I got them that they
> are VERY fatty. I'd say more fat than meat. Is this ok to feed? I've
> heard too much fat would give the runs.
*****
Fat is part of a good raw diet. Our dogs can't get along without it.
But if the ribs have more fat than your dog is accustomed to eating,
perhaps you might trim fat and let your dog make do with what's left.
Later when you both have more experience, what is "too much" fat now
may be perfectly normal.

If I could try to cut some of it
> off but then there would not be much left of the ribs.
*****
There's never much left of the ribs. At least beef ribs. They can be
great for really getting into and great for ripping and gnawing and
nibbling but they aren't much about meat at all.

Chris O

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9b. Re: fatty ribs. . .
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:32 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/6/2007 11:56:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
seawindbullies@yahoo.com writes:

got some beef ribs for good price but noticed I got them that they
are VERY fatty. I'd say more fat than meat. Is this ok to feed? I've
heard too much fat would give the runs. I could try to cut some of it
off but then there would not be much left of the ribs. Wondering if it
would be better to just throw them out? Thanks.

B.

dogs get energy from fat.. and sometimes too much fat will make looser
stools.. this is NOT a bad thing. it's a normal and natural thing.

do not throw away good ribs.. if you're not gonna use them, pack em up and
send them to me..

Catherine R.

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10a. Re: diatomaceous earth
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/6/2007 12:06:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
hjbartling@comcast.net writes:

I'm not sure how
to use it. If I don't see fleas on my three dogs, do I still need to put it
on them? Do I spread it on my carpets and vacuum it up? I know I need to
avoid breathing it in. I guess I need to keep my dogs out of the rooms while
spreading it, so they don't breathe it in. You see.....I'm totally unsure
how to use it.

Joanne,

I can tell you how i use the food grade DE. And PLEASE double check that
what you purchased is FOOD GRADE DE.

i put a teaspoon (approx) of the DE in the vacuum (mine is bagless.. if yours
uses bags put it in the new bag when you put it on the vacuum), vacuum the
carpet (unfortunately with bagless vacuums you to empty the canister several
times, so i have to re-add the DE to the canister).

Then after you're done vacuuming use a "poofy bottle" to lightly spread the
DE around the entire room.. and then go around the footboards and make a line
of DE (not too heavy, but you should be able to see it) all around the house.

IF you don't already have fleas or ticks.. i wouldn't bother putting it on
the furniture or on the dog's bedding.

I don't put DE on my dogs because i don't like the way it makes their hair
feel or the way it dries out their skin. but i do put a little in each of their
crates each week when i change and wash their blankets.

I'm not saying you have to do what i do.. but even with our tick infestation
it gives all of use some relief.. and this year is not as bad as years past..
so we might be winning the battle. Unfortunately i have neighbors that don't
seem to do anything to stop the ticks.. so i'm fighting a losing battle.

But my idea to spread the cedar bedding in the yard seems to have given us
the upper hand. i did that the same way i do the DE in the house.. i spread the
cedar bedding kinda dense around the fenceline and very sparingly on the rest
of the yard.. (disclaimer: i don't know if this is safe for cats or other
family pets).

Catherine R.

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11a. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:40 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/6/2007 6:26:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ShankMa4@aol.com writes:

My question is ... is the poop not supposed to be crumbly on the way
out. My dog has been having some crumbly poop. I may be feeding too
much bone 1. because of the crumbly poop and 2. because I have him some
beef off the bone and I saw his energy improve. What do you think?

Cindi,

the correct answer is that what comes out is directly impacted by what went
in.. this also depends on the dog, like i've said before some of my dogs can't
eat bone very often at all, and some can eat bone every day of the week with
no apparent side effects.

if you're feeding a lot of bone the poop will be white and possibly dry and
crumbly and CAN cause constipation (as i pointed out in Pugsley's case.. lol).

if you're feeding lots of chicken poops tend to be lighter in color and a
little on the dry side because chickens have more than their fair share of edible
bones..

if you're feeding more red meat and fewer bones the poop will be darker, and
often softer. And organs can make poop nearly black and squishy.

And ALL poop will get squishy or runny if there is no bone fed at all
regardless of the source of the meat or the color of the poop...

What is right is somewhere in the middle i suppose.. but after 4 or more
years of raw feeding we still do not have constant poop and we don't expect it and
we don't worry about it, unless of course, something like what happened to
PUgsley the other night happens..

Catherine R.

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12a. Re: Thank you!
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:51 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/6/2007 3:18:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
melanieabrams@yahoo.com writes:

I guess I could feed her inside, in the laundry room, for
example, but I worry about her getting raw meat on surfaces that
crawling baby hands could get at it. Even the outside makes me a
little nervous. I'm curious what other people do to solve concerns
about raw meat and babies in the same vicinity. Advice?

Melanie

No one in their right mind would call me a domestic goddess.. i'm a LOUSY
housekeeper by any standards. But i do take the cleanliness of certain things
seriously.

i'm not worried about salmonella.. it's all over in our environment, you
can't get away from it. the media or the chicken police have us all worried about
touching raw chicken when just the simplest of routines is all that is
necessary to clean up when you cook it or hand it to the dog.

i cut up my chickens IN the kitchen sink.. that way there is no mess on the
counter. i hand take the pieces to the dogs' eating areas, some eat in crates,
come eat on dog blankets and some eat on the back patio or their outside
kennels, then i go back to the kitchen and wash my hands and rinse the sink with
hotish water..

if my hands are particularly greasy from some kind of fatty meat like beef or
pork i will use a couple drops of regular Dawn dishsoap to help cut the
grease.

other than that, just washing the dog blankets weekly is about all i do to
clean up after the dogs.. i don't do anything to the outside.. the dogs clean up
what is on the patio, when there is any at all, Pugsley mostly takes his food
out to the dirt or under his bush to eat..

Catherine R.

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13a. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 5:50 pm ((PDT))

I routinely feed rescue dogs that weigh 5lbs and less with no such
issues. Raw is great for toy dogs. Denise

> I have a 2 year old chihuahua that weighs only 7 lbs and she can
handle any chicken bones -- including the leg. She absolutely loves
raw meat.

>I have been told by another Chi owner that she's been told that their
teeth are not strong enough to chew bones.

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