Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12007

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: My 5lb. pup had kibble and raw? Help
From: morkydzgrl
1b. Re: My 5lb. pup had kibble and raw? Help
From: wandaful
1c. Re: My 5lb. pup had kibble and raw? Help
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: Please, I really need your help
From: Yasuko herron
2b. Re: Please, I really need your help
From: morkydzgrl
2c. Please, I really need your help
From: Jeffrey Gentry

3a. How do you feed a sick dog?
From: Marion
3b. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: Sandee Lee

4a. What to do about bone?
From: Purity
4b. Re: What to do about bone?
From: Tina Berry

5a. Re: 7 1/2 month old kitten - ALWAYS HUNGRY! Big Belly
From: Purity
5b. Re: 7 1/2 month old kitten - ALWAYS HUNGRY! Big Belly
From: Josephine Morningstar
5c. Re: 7 1/2 month old kitten - ALWAYS HUNGRY! Big Belly
From: helpshelteranimals

6a. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
From: Geri

7a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: Yasuko herron

8a. Bone question
From: Rhonda
8b. Re: Bone question
From: Sandee Lee
8c. Re: Bone question
From: Rhonda
8d. Re: Bone question
From: Rhonda

9. fatty ribs. . .
From: Bj

10. diatomaceous earth
From: Joanne Bartling

11a. Seizures and raw feeding-please help
From: wilsonfontaine
11b. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
From: Sandee Lee

12a. Color change in coat
From: Jeffrey Gentry

13. Louie is getting better....I think
From: mandajenwalker

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1a. Re: My 5lb. pup had kibble and raw? Help
Posted by: "morkydzgrl" ShankMa4@aol.com morkydzgrl
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:43 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
Chris O, thanks for your reply.

> But a meal of kibble
> and meat is not likely to do any worse harm than loose stools if that.

Okay, now I can rest easy.

> Trying out raw meat as part of a kibble meal is not doing raw meat
> any favors. I don't quite know what you're hoping to find out by
> mixing the two, but you'll see better, healthier results forever with
> raw meat, meaty bones, and organs.

Yup, I hear-ya on the raw and kibble mix not doing raw meat any
favors! I understand that.

I think what I was trying to find out by feeding the raw meat was ..
would she actually eat it? Well she did. This sweet little pup is
actually my daughter's pup. The pup is in my care for the next three
months. I am 1.5 months into feeding my own dog this prey-model way. I
see there really is a large learning curve. Please read below.

First my own dog got sick from feeding the BARF method. I fed this
method for 2 months ... he went way down hill. Then I found you all
and I had some trouble by feeding ONLY chicken for 10 days. That
didn't work out well as his energy went down again and he refused to
eat. Then I went on to other meats (beef, lamb, pork) which is working
out better. He refuses chicken. I am also starting to figure out that
maybe I was giving too much bone cuz his poops were crumbly and his
energy went way up when I gave him a meal of just meat, no bone.

Eye yi yi, this isn't easy when there is no one to actually watch doing
it. Honestly, without the help of reading here, I would NEVER EVER be
able to try this. Which is probably why more people don't make the
switch. Honestly, this is scary, cuz we love our animals, want to do
better, and this is going against the tide ... BIG TIME!

So hence, the reasons above are why I am hesitant to give the little 5
lb. pup this food. I have made mistakes along the way and the last
think I want to do is make another mistake, although well intentioned,
with this little pup.

Any comment on the above are welcome.

Thanks!

Cindi

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1b. Re: My 5lb. pup had kibble and raw? Help
Posted by: "wandaful" rondarosa@ftcnet.net rondaros
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:53 pm ((PDT))

Just want you to know that you have helped my peace of mind a lot, Cindi. I have a 2.5 lb pup that was rawfed but was so terribly constipated when I got him that the vet had to give him a suppository. So I went to kibble. Now I am back wanting to do the raw for both my dogs. I have a freezer bag full of 'prepared' raw, ground, and am thinking that is the problem, but wondering if I can feed it along with whole raw so it doesn't go to waste.
wanda

: Eye yi yi, this isn't easy when there is no one to actually watch doing
: it. Honestly, without the help of reading here, I would NEVER EVER be
: able to try this. Which is probably why more people don't make the
: switch. Honestly, this is scary, cuz we love our animals, want to do
: better, and this is going against the tide ... BIG TIME!
:
: So hence, the reasons above are why I am hesitant to give the little 5
: lb. pup this food. I have made mistakes along the way and the last
: think I want to do is make another mistake, although well intentioned,
: with this little pup.

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1c. Re: My 5lb. pup had kibble and raw? Help
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

Wanda,

Prepared mixes are generally high in bone content and lacking meat and fat
so that could definitely be part of the problem. You could try adding some
meaty meals to it.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "wandaful" <rondarosa@ftcnet.net>

> Just want you to know that you have helped my peace of mind a lot, Cindi.
I have a 2.5 lb pup that was rawfed but was so terribly constipated when I
got him that the vet had to give him a suppository. So I went to kibble.
Now I am back wanting to do the raw for both my dogs. I have a freezer bag
full of 'prepared' raw, ground, and am thinking that is the problem, but
wondering if I can feed it along with whole raw so it doesn't go to waste.
> wanda

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2a. Re: Please, I really need your help
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:43 am ((PDT))

>can you explain the *'s. Do they the starred parts correspond to the animal above.

Hi,Cindi. I could make list length-wise,but i thought it would make posting size too big,so,I shortened it by putting 3 protins in 1 line,which was probably confusing to read?

Sorry about that. Read list down ,not to side,then, *means parts I have from animal I wrote above.

Would that be clear? If not,I make length wise list for you with word and send it to you privately.

But basically, poultry,I get everything whole,and then cut up to pieces.

For 4 legged animals like cow,I get listed parts. Like Mutton,for example,if I found suppliers that offer Neck,heart,tongue that i don't have, then,I would feed it. It is just that i could not find parts I wanted to get.That is all.

So,yea,if someone gives me Mutton tail,and if it looks edible to me,I get it andtest it to see if it is something I am comfortable feeding it or not.

As for Mutton,I listed boneless meat,Ribs only because those were only available things for me to get.

And..yes, my dog likes Turkey Neck,so,I get Turkey neck too other than buying whole Turkey.

and,I listed feet under Chicken because my dog loves chicken feet,and it is cheap too. So,I stock up chicken feet too.

It isall depend on how much available around you andwaht parts you like to feed,waht animals you like to feed,and what dogs likes etc...

Palette loves Mutton and Goat. Her nose get wet while waiting.

Onetime she cheated on me and she already started meal while i look back into fridge to get something for her to add to her Mutton meal. I forgot to put out with Mutton Rib meal..

She is usually very obedient dog and,she never start her meal if i not saying OK,but she started Mutton meal without my cue.

On the other hand, I once got Rabbit for her ;whole rabbit,but she stopped touching rabbit meal ,so,I gave it up,and pulled from menu.She really hated it.

Instead,I put Mutton in Menu which was good choice,and loving it.

Not sure why,but she does much better with Mutton than Lamb. Less fattier meats? Not sure I need to look info later.

Anyway, what you get is your choice anddecide menue with your dog. Like I said,Rabbit seems to be hit or miss sort of meal,so,you may want to risk it or you may not.Your choice.

Sorry,confusing you. Any more questions?

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2b. Re: Please, I really need your help
Posted by: "morkydzgrl" ShankMa4@aol.com morkydzgrl
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:47 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for further explanation Yassy.

It helps to read about the rabbit and mutton and the preferences of
each dog, etc. Thanks!

No more questions for right now ... but I will be back later.

Thank you!

Cindi

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2c. Please, I really need your help
Posted by: "Jeffrey Gentry" gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com cresco299
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 2:03 pm ((PDT))

>Please help because I don't want to waste all my
money buying
inappropriate meats and have my dogs suffer for my
mistakes.

*I'm no expert by any means but I pretty much allow
the 10% bone in the
diet to come from either whole chickens or a Pork
shoulder. Beef can be
expensive and so I would rather my money be spent on a
sold chunk of
meat rather than risk having to throw away a bone that
I paid good money
for! I feed beef twice a week and it's typically from
either beef
brisket or an "Outside Round (Flat)" I typically get
these from grocery
stores or clubs and will pay anywhere from $1.65/lb
to $1.86/lb for
these cuts.

Jeff

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3a. How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "Marion" mbldesigns@yahoo.com mbldesigns
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:43 am ((PDT))

Hi all,

I have 2 dogs who are sick right now. One worse than the other. Storm
is a 9 yr old shepherd (88 lbs) who is not eating much, he's been
picking at his food for the past few days. I watched him go outside
and saw his poo turned runny, so that's why he's not eating well.
I'm hoping his problem will resolve on its own. Any recommendations
for him?

Bernie on the other hand is very very sick. He's a 12.5 yr old male
Sheltie (48lbs) . He's had diarrhea for a week now, vomitted over
the weekend, and has been on and off food the whole time. I took him
to the vet on Tuesday and he's on meds now, metronidazole and
fenbendazole for worms that didn't show up in the fecal. He has this
about once or twice a year and this usually clears him up. However
this is the first time this is happening with rawfeeding, they've
been rawfed for several months now.

My problem with him is what on earth do I feed him. He was eating
chicken before all this started with no problem. Then he quit eating
that. I tried pork, ok he'll take a bite, but no more. Then over the
weekend when he got worse, I tried everything, rice, oatmeal, he
didn't want either. Got some canned pumpkin because that firms up
diarrhea and worked last time, he ate some and my hubby hid some pork
in it which he ate happily. Then he threw up that night and hasn't
wanted pumpkin since. He didn't eat at all Sunday, Monday I tried
cooking his chicken, he ate 1 meal and then didn't want it the next.
Then I tried raw chicken, he ate a couple pieces, then nothing
since. He turns his nose up at everything, chicken, raw and cooked,
pork, lamb, even liver now which he liked over the weekend. Oh I
make a goo that he used to like when we fed kibble, of cooked rice,
oatmeal, chicken, pork, all cooked in chicken broth, and pureed up.
He liked that for a few bites yesterday morning, but then not again.
I don't know if it's too gooey for him, because I can't figure out
how to make it not so gooey. I'm trying to dry it out in the oven
right now, maybe that will help. I don't want to call the vet for
food ideas yet, because I know what he'll say, try this can of SD
food with all the preservatives. Bernie will eat that, sure, but it's
not good for him.

So what do I do?? Help please?

Thank you so very much,
Marion

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3b. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:13 pm ((PDT))

Part of the problem may be that you have tried everything...raw, cooked,
pureed, rice, oatmeal, pumpkin, etc.

If you are certain there are no serious medical issues, I'd fast them, maybe
use some slippery elm bark to sooth their intestines and start all over with
some nice easy to digest chicken breasts...raw of course...until they are
eating and digesting well.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Marion" <mbldesigns@yahoo.com>

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4a. What to do about bone?
Posted by: "Purity" purity21_99@yahoo.com purity21_99
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:44 am ((PDT))

After breaking both upper fourth premolars, Riley had them removed 3
weeks ago.

We also found out how he broke them. We have a nectarine tree in our
backyard that was fenced off because the pits are toxic to dogs.
Riley is the type of dog that won't even go through a door unless
it's opened all the way and he has never ever gone under anything.
Well I came home early one day, went in the backyard, and there he
was under the tree. He had learned to crawl under the fence. He's a
freak about fruit. He absolutely loves it and now it's clear he'll do
anything to get to any fruit he can. And under that tree was a nice
little pile of nectarine pits that he had found and some were broken.
I'm pretty sure he broke his teeth chomping on the pits. We fixed the
fence so he couldn't get under it, so that's taken care of.

Anyways, back to my original question. Last night I gave him is first
raw chicken bone. He couldn't and wouldn't eat it. He seemed to have
depended too much on those back premolars. What should I do to make
sure he gets enough bone in his diet? Thanks in advance,

Rachel

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4b. Re: What to do about bone?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:36 pm ((PDT))

I would maybe grind it for now until his back gums are healed up then try
again to see if he will use all his other teeth on the bones. I used to
have a butcher that would grind up a whole chicken if you asked.
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5a. Re: 7 1/2 month old kitten - ALWAYS HUNGRY! Big Belly
Posted by: "Purity" purity21_99@yahoo.com purity21_99
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:44 am ((PDT))

> My question is: She is ALWAYS running to the fridge and jumping in
on
> the bottom shelf where we keep all the meat for the pets. She is
> always trying to steal a bite when we open the door to the fridge.
She
> will even steal the other cats food when we are not looking. Her
belly
> will be big and she will STILL be looking for food
frantically...this
> has just started about a week ago, before then she would eat like
the
> rest and go on her way. Any suggestions of what it might be?

First off, it sounds like she's wormy. Kittens get big bellies when
they have worms. Not sure if there's a homeopathic remedy. Anyone?

Second, I have a 4 mo kitten right now that started off as a foster
when he was 6 weeks old. He's a voracious eater and it was about at
10 weeks that he went into this mode. Before he just ate like normal.
He acts like he's never been fed during mealtimes. When he was
younger he was eating every couple of hours. Now we're down to three
meals a day. He's just starting to calm down on his begging. There
was a time where he'd power his way into the other cats' bowls to get
more food. Kittens need a lot of food. Make sure to feed often. Hope
that helps.

Rachel

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5b. Re: 7 1/2 month old kitten - ALWAYS HUNGRY! Big Belly
Posted by: "Josephine Morningstar" josephine.morningstar@gmail.com jomorningstar
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:37 pm ((PDT))

for worms.. even the kitten we have.. we us lager beer.. it has more hops to
it and slower brewing time. not as much heat.. we also pick an irish blend
specifically we use guinness

dose is 1 tbls per 10 pounds of weight.

first time starting.. give two doses in first month.. 2 wks apart.

give once per month after that.

it also works great for heart worm.. evne if the animals were to test
positive.. it stops the reproduction cycle and they die out sooner.. they
can not live in the blood in animals fed the lager beer (dose is every 2
wks for 6 months then 1 per month after that.. wont harm the dog.. its
easier on them then the herbal cures even.

is study going on in Japan over the effect it has against the heartworm
also.. taking longer.. as they are not killing the dogs to see what the
effects are.. they are letting them live out their life.. interesting is
that those on conventional meds.. have since died..

On 9/6/07, Purity <purity21_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> First off, it sounds like she's wormy. Kittens get big bellies when
> they have worms. Not sure if there's a homeopathic remedy. Anyone?
>
>

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5c. Re: 7 1/2 month old kitten - ALWAYS HUNGRY! Big Belly
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:53 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Purity" <purity21_99@...> wrote:

it sounds like she's wormy. Kittens get big bellies when
> they have worms.
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Should have specified...her belly is a little pudgy but when she eats
it gets BIG! When you look from the top, her belly buldges out!

Before he just ate like normal.
> He acts like he's never been fed during mealtimes.
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Bless your heart for fosering! Thanks for letting me know!

Kittens need a lot of food. Make sure to feed often. Hope
> that helps.
> Rachel
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I feed 2 meals a day and several snacks too. That DID help a lot!
Thanks Miss Rachel!

AG & Ruffian & Sammi, the bottomless pit

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6a. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
Posted by: "Geri" auntigeri@aol.com gericolloton
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:37 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jeanne

I have a 2 year old chihuahua that weighs only 7 lbs and she can
handle any chicken bones -- including the leg. She absolutely loves
raw meat.

Geri

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<jackienjeanne@...> wrote:
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> > My name is Jeanne and I am new to this list and to rawfeeding.
I have been told by another Chi owner that she's been told that
their teeth are not strong enough to chew bones.
> Jeanne.
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7a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:40 pm ((PDT))

>Beef trachea is pure cartilage(glucosamine.) Another one you might want to try is beef
> gullet.

hi,Liz.Where did you get those? how big are they? I got moo-tube (treachea chew from Merricks in TX) recently and,my dog loved it so,was thinkingI may want to try fresh Treachea aswell,but is it big?

If it were,is it something i can wahack with clever?? if I had to feed whole andif it were just bones,then,I worry end up constipation so.. would you tell me how you feed too?

Are you feeding part of normal meal and make boneless meat added to it??

thank you

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8a. Bone question
Posted by: "Rhonda" rhonda18@gmail.com rhondabrabbin
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:53 pm ((PDT))

I am happy with my dogs diet. My only question is on bones for the
chewing and teeth cleaning factor only. I bought her "soup bones" to
chew on but she gnaws and gnaws [did I spell that right?] and I feel
like she is going to wear down her teeth, am I correct in thinking this
and should I be giving her a different kind of bone. They were just
labled "soup bones" in the meat department. Basically what kind of
bones can I give her to chew on to help keep her teeth clean and give
her the satisfaction of chewing on bones?

Thank you in advance.

Rhonda

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8b. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:00 pm ((PDT))

Chewing satisfaction and tooth cleaning are both accomplished when eating
dinner! Nice complicated large meals that require some work are the
best...also meals with heavy skin such as pork will do wonders.

Soup bones and any other recreational bones merely serve to break/wear down
teeth.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Rhonda" <rhonda18@gmail.com>

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8c. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Rhonda" rhonda18@gmail.com rhondabrabbin
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:55 pm ((PDT))

*** Mod Note: please sign your posts! ***

Sorry I forgot to mention that I am not feeding Raw as I tried it and
had too many complications, she is Diabetic and has EPI and she can't
have the chicken bones as they are too hard to digest and other issues.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Chewing satisfaction and tooth cleaning are both accomplished when
eating
> dinner! Nice complicated large meals that require some work are the
> best...also meals with heavy skin such as pork will do wonders.
>
>

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8d. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Rhonda" rhonda18@gmail.com rhondabrabbin
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

*** Mod Note: please trim and sign your posts! ***

So definitely bones are not good to give to just chew on because they
will wear down the teeth? She loves to chew on her bones for hours.
What is an alternative?
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Chewing satisfaction and tooth cleaning are both accomplished when
eating
> dinner! Nice complicated large meals that require some work are the
> best...also meals with heavy skin such as pork will do wonders.
>
> Soup bones and any other recreational bones merely serve to
break/wear down
> teeth.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "Rhonda" <rhonda18@...>
>
>
> I am happy with my dogs diet. My only question is on bones for the
> chewing and teeth cleaning factor only. I bought her "soup bones"
to
> chew on but she gnaws and gnaws [did I spell that right?] and I feel
> like she is going to wear down her teeth, am I correct in thinking
this

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9. fatty ribs. . .
Posted by: "Bj" seawindbullies@yahoo.com seawindbullies
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

hello,

I got some beef ribs for good price but noticed I got them that they
are VERY fatty. I'd say more fat than meat. Is this ok to feed? I've
heard too much fat would give the runs. I could try to cut some of it
off but then there would not be much left of the ribs. Wondering if it
would be better to just throw them out? Thanks.

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10. diatomaceous earth
Posted by: "Joanne Bartling" hjbartling@comcast.net hjbartling
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:05 pm ((PDT))

Okay guys.....I've always used Frontline Plus then recently switched to
Advantix when we got our puppy and that's what the vet's office used. My one
beagle got sick 24 hours after applying Advantix. Not sure if it was
coincidental or not, but after that episode and all your warning posts, I
decided to do the DE method instead. It came today. But.....I'm not sure how
to use it. If I don't see fleas on my three dogs, do I still need to put it
on them? Do I spread it on my carpets and vacuum it up? I know I need to
avoid breathing it in. I guess I need to keep my dogs out of the rooms while
spreading it, so they don't breathe it in. You see.....I'm totally unsure
how to use it. I've also got nematodes on order that I plan to spray my yard
with, but most of my yard, where the dogs play is mostly full sun. I read
that the fleas shouldn't be a problem in the sunny areas, right? Any help
will be totally appreciated.

Joanne

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11a. Seizures and raw feeding-please help
Posted by: "wilsonfontaine" wilsonfontaine@yahoo.com wilsonfontaine
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:06 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,

I had a painful experience with my Italian greyhound girl the other day I thought she was
going to die in my arms. She had a terrible seizure totally out of blue. I have been raw
feeding her for the past year and she has been very healthy, she is only 4 years old. I read on
the http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/ that raw feeding is not advised for
epileptic dogs. I'm a bit confused and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or
experiences on this subject and any advise regarding the raw diet and dogs that are epileptic.

Thank you so much for any words of wisdom.

Wilson

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11b. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:17 pm ((PDT))

That's the first time I've heard that advice! Generally raw is the first
change recommended for a dog with seizures. You definitely want to avoid
carbohydrates and that would be pretty hard to do if you aren't feeding raw.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "wilsonfontaine" <wilsonfontaine@yahoo.com>
I had a painful experience with my Italian greyhound girl the other day I
thought she was
going to die in my arms. She had a terrible seizure totally out of blue. I
have been raw
feeding her for the past year and she has been very healthy, she is only 4
years old. I read on
the http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/ that raw feeding is not
advised for
epileptic dogs. I'm a bit confused and was wondering if anyone had any
thoughts or
experiences on this subject and any advise regarding the raw diet and dogs
that are epileptic.

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12a. Color change in coat
Posted by: "Jeffrey Gentry" gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com cresco299
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:55 pm ((PDT))

>Pat, who is a steel gray color, has developed several
(6-8)
>very dark, nearly black patches of fur. These are
about quarter
>sized. We just noticed them about a week ago. It is
too early to
>really say whether they are increasing. Is this just
a result of
i>mproved nutrition? I'd be interested to hear if
anyone else has had a
>similar experience. Thanks!

* You're certainly not alone on this one. My seven
year old aussie
shep/blue healer has always had a colorful coat, but
the past year and
half has been hard on her and she lost a lot of hair.
I'm going on 2
months of rawfeeding, and in past two weeks she has
started regrowing
her hair (lots of nice soft peach fuzz!). Here's the
kicker, the new
hair that is growing is radically different than her
previous coat
pattern. She's developed many black patches on her
legs, her snout hair
is coming in white (was black) and she got red popping
up from her
neck! I'm sure the way I'm describing her makes you
think of a circus
clown, but she truly looks astounding! I have 100%
faith that the
change in coloration and the regrowth of hair, stems
from a proper diet.

Jeff

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13. Louie is getting better....I think
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,
I just thought I would write in and let ya know that Louie does in
fact have hypothyroidism....so the vet says.
I can't help but think I am seeing an improvement in his coat since
putting him on the raw diet. (If ya don't remember, he has completely
lost all the hair in his groin, legs belly and chest. He looks like
he is part Chinese Crested) I groomed him yesterday and he didn't
lose much hair at all even when I used the rubber curry brush. Just 2
weeks ago (before I started the raw) he was losing hair by the garbage
bag!
I haven't put him on the meds that she gave me yet. I don't know if
that is the right thing to do or not. I don't want the meds to
interfere with my observation of the raw diet.....is that the right
thing to do? Should I be giving him the meds to? Or is the raw diet
going to help with his problem? Just not sure.
Please let me know,
Thanks,
Mandy

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