[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12004

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: questions from newbie
From: ekayke

2a. Re: Chicken Liver
From: Olga
2b. Re: Chicken Liver
From: Giselle

3.1. Re: new member
From: connie
3.2. Re: new member
From: rodlinkennels@bellnet.ca
3.3. new member
From: Ivette Casiano

4a. Re: Thank you!
From: Giselle

5a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
From: Laurie Swanson
6b. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
From: S.R. Sudekum
6c. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
From: Morledzep@aol.com

7. Lobster tail
From: Sarah

8a. Feeling stupid!
From: Denise and David Spotila
8b. Re: Feeling stupid!
From: costrowski75

9a. Neck bones - which is best
From: millser25
9b. Re: Neck bones - which is best
From: Laurie Swanson

10a. BIG argument with a "holistic" vet!
From: coriowen
10b. Re: BIG argument with a "holistic" vet!
From: Sandee Lee
10c. Re: BIG argument with a "holistic" vet!
From: coriowen

11a. Re: Please help very nervous
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

12a. Re: Vet blames Raw Diet for CoCcidia....any thoughts?
From: Ivette Casiano
12b. Re: Vet blames Raw Diet for CoCcidia....any thoughts?
From: costrowski75

13. Lamb flank/dry skin (was Trimming...)
From: Ivette Casiano

14a. Re: Color change in coat
From: Morledzep@aol.com

15a. Re: San Diego Resources?
From: diana zarate

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1a. Re: questions from newbie
Posted by: "ekayke" ekayke@yahoo.com ekayke
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 2:45 pm ((PDT))

Wow, thanks so much for all that awesome info!

Kay

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2a. Re: Chicken Liver
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 2:45 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...>
wrote:
> Silly question- but is liverwurst okay? I think it is raw.

I'm pretty sure it's cooked. :D

That is, if we're talking about the same liver-based brown paste that
sometimes comes in tubes. It's also seasoned.

Olga

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2b. Re: Chicken Liver
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Howard!
Nope!
cooked and seasoned!
http://homecooking.about.com/library/archive/blpork27.htm

Not species appropriate, imo, but ok to hide a pill in, or to offer
occasional smears of as a high value training treat.

Are you new to the list? Have you read any of the files, links, daily
messages or some of the archived posts?
Start a new topic and post your concerns!
btw, not the mod.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Dear Moderator,
>
> Silly question- but is liverwurst okay? I think it is raw.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Howard

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3.1. Re: new member
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 2:50 pm ((PDT))

> Would you mind sharing your experience? I hope Jane will jump in
here, as she's been breeding and rearing NR litters longer than anyone
else I know.
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> -- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden
rescue) in NW Ohio
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I have a bulldog I just switched to raw in her second week of
pregnancy. She seems to be doing great right now(Due in 10 days) I have
been feeding mostly chicken...some beef(gave her loose stool tho...so
give very little) and am giving ground rabbit(whole)and liver...she
won`t eat green tripe...anything else I can do differently?? Of course
she will have a c-section. Thanks~connie~
www.justbullies.com

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3.2. Re: new member
Posted by: "rodlinkennels@bellnet.ca" rodlinkennels@bellnet.ca rodlinboxers
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 3:10 pm ((PDT))

I'd be happy to share our experiences. We went raw 6 1/2 years ago. The health of our adults improved almost immediately as did that of our first few litters - no more coccidia only rarely did we have kennel cough when on kibble we had kennel cough every year at least once.
We moved 4 1/2 years ago and started feeding mostly chicken - ground because my husband liked it that way. we did feed some red meat and organ meats. we have had approximately 9 litters in the last almost 5 years. much smaller litters, instead of 5-8 we had 1 2 or3 all but one a c section. We had puppIies die on us as late as 7 weeks old.
I have been treating mostly homeopathically in the past 1-2 years and have only given rabies and only once when the dogs were over a year old.
After much research and questioning It was suggested that I follow the prey type diet and that the excess calcium in our previous diet was part of the cause we were having so many c sections.
I am also treating our two young girls - the two we are planning to breed homeopathically in order to help clear up some of the problems brought on by generations of kibble and vaccinations.
Hopefully this is going to help us produce some healthy puppies born naturally.
Our vet although not really in favor of raw diet has helped me try to find out just why we were having so many problems. We have done extensive testing ie blood work, including thyroid, testing, CBC, tests to find out if we have a bacterial problem. WE have tested things like our water, and soil, we don't use chemical cleaners.
So this is our last resort.
I'd love to hear any other breeders experience.
Linda Norris
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3.3. new member
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

<<...I have discovered however that the raw diet I was following has been detremental to our breeding program...>>

Excuse my ignorance but why was your raw feeding diet detrimental to your breeding? Don't other breeders want healthy dogs to breed? I know nothing about breeding dogs but I would think that rawfed dogs would be coveted over crap in a bag fed dogs and would be worth a try for those who don't (seeing that your dogs are healthy).

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4a. Re: Thank you!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Melanie!
NPs! YQW
Yes, that sounds right. Big chicken, l0lz ^_^

No poop is not necessarily bad. We get newbies on here all the time
posting 'help!', as they think their dogs are constipated, because
they haven't pooped in a few days once started on raw. Truth is, raw
is so bioavailable - so easily digested - that most of what goes in,
stays there, and is used by the dog's body to heal itself and maintain
function. I think that this is particularly true of dogs just changed
over from kibble, as opposed to dogs who were on partial raw diets
prior to the switch.

Kibble provides protein and other nutrients from plant matter and
cooked protein. Most of the quality of these products are also
substandard, compared to prey model raw. So, there is much waste for
the dog to expel, because dogs can't process plant matter or cooked
nutrients efficiently or derive those nutrients in the quantity or
form they need to truly thrive.

Bone provides a lot of the "fiber" for stool volume. but edible bone
is also extremely bioavailable, so there is less waste from it than
you might think. Imagine if you had to eat Fruit Loops, All Bran and
milk three meals a day all your life! Then, you were given balanced,
species appropriate (for an omnivorous primate) meals to eat! Big
changes would ensue; in your digestion, in your body to heal and
repair and maintain itself, and in elimination, too!

So, don't be concerned if she don't poop for a few days, and if her
'pattern' of elimination is very different. And be prepared for it to
look different, too. Kibble poop is the same all the time because what
goes in is homogeneous, different raw proteins and bones will produce
poop that directly reflects what the dog ate.

Three paras on poop, heh heh. ; )

Don't be too concerned if she don't drink water as often, or pee as
often, either. Raw has lots of water content, too. Your dog won't need
to overdrink water to try to digest that dry-as-dust kibble.

Oh, and btw, why is feeding raw messy? Feeding once or twice a day, or
even less, should be a decision based on your dog's response to it.
New-to-raw dogs sometimes need to be fed twice a day until their
digestive systems can adjust to the changes, especially as new
proteins, varying amounts of bone and organs are added.

Are you using a towel or other floor covering or 'place mat' to feed
your dog on? Dog dishes are great for kibble, not useful at all for
raw, usually. I just lay down an old bath or beach towel and plop the
meal on that. Bea knows she's to keep her eating confined to the
towel. Often, she lies down and has a very contented and leisurely
crunch session. Afterwards I fold it up and put it away until the next
meal. I wash it maybe once a week.

Btw Melanie, where did you get such a big chicken?
TC
Giselle

> Actually, it was a HUGE chicken - 11 pounds! - so I think 5 servings
> is about right. My husband just came back from a walk with her and
> said no poop yet, so we'll see. I think I'm going to do two meals a
> day for the first week, then hopefully go to one since it is kind of
> messy. Thanks so much for your help!
>
> Melanie

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5a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 3:01 pm ((PDT))

"Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:

> I'm sure someone else <cough>Chris<cough> will post the actual
numbers.
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One 1,000mg capsule, 180 EPA and 120 DHA.

1 capsule per 20lb - 30lb, maintenance dose
1 capsule per 10lb, therapeutic dose

For example, I am currently giving my 60lb golden six capsules a day.
Chris O

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6a. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 3:25 pm ((PDT))

What do you mean she's not eating any meats? She won't eat? If her
appetite has been affected, too, I might be concerned. If you could re-
cap everything in one message, that would help (how long raw, what
feeding, when surgery in relation to everything, when she was eating
fine, when she stopped eating, bowel movements, etc.).

Laurie

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>> She's not eating any meats, but did eat small pieces of frozen liver.
> I also googled dog constipation and found an article that said to give
> her some vegi oil, olive oil etc. I have tried the vegi oil and will
> try more liver today.
>
> Beckie

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6b. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
Posted by: "S.R. Sudekum" ssudekum@centurytel.net fassue
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:47 pm ((PDT))

If the dog is not passing anything solid and has stopped eating, and is
acting depressed and sort of "hunched over", I'd definitely call the vet
for an appointment, it could be seriously plugged up.

My Corgi had a similar experience (he ate a beef neck bone & didn't
drink any water for 12 hrs afterwards...we were on a road trip & he
refused the water). As a result he was pretty much packed solid and only
able to squeeze past some watery stuff. Believe me, I was feeding him
straight chicken liver doused with mineral oil, walks, the whole thing.
After three days when he stopped eating altogether I took him to the
vet, they gave him an enema that loosened things up. According to the
vet, his bowel was packed full "of adobe" (dry bone) & thankfully he
didn't tear me a new one about the raw diet, I got enough stern looks.

It took a few days for the dog to totally "clear out", but walks and
organ meat did help. I felt so bad for the little fella (and for my
wallet). Shortly after that the Mad Cow Disease scare hit the US & you
can't find beef neck bones any more, but you can be sure I'm more
careful now!

You can also buy the child-sized Fleet enemas and administer them to the
dog to help soften things up. Didn't work with the Corgi because he just
sat down and refused access, lol!

Sue in Michigan

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6c. Re: Please help, My dog is constipated
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 7:19 pm ((PDT))

If the dog is not passing anything solid and has stopped eating, and is
acting depressed and sort of "hunched over", I'd definitely call the vet
for an appointment, it could be seriously plugged up.

****We had a scare the other night with our Pugsley.. 12 or 13 year old
golden..

i think it was Sunday night we fed all the dogs a slab of ribs each, that in
and of itself is not unusual. But apparently Pugs is getting old and just
can't handle that much bone all at once anymore.

the first 24 hours was fine.. he didn't seem any different. But Monday night
he was laying in the entry way (unusual place for him) and he was asked to
move and we had to ask several times and when he got up we knew immediately
something wasn't right. He was in pain and was walking around crooked with his
head down and all he would do is sleep for about 12 hours (way out of character
for him). the following morning (yesterday) he got up, went outside and
pottied (lots of straining for nearly nothing), after 3 or 4 tries he started
walking better.. and wagging.. and inside of 24 hours he is his old happy self..

He didn't eat, refused to eat the eggs i offered him Monday night, Tuesday
for dinner i had some cheap chicken thighs and pork hearts thawed out.. i gave
Pugs half the bag of pork hearts and divided the rest amoung the other dogs
with the chicken thighs.

Tonight is green tripe, pork trim, and i think pork tongues..

and after that i need to dig out a pack of liver for everybody.. it's been
awhile.. Pugs is feeling better already.. and now i'm gonna overdo it the other
way till his poops are no longer crumbly.

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7. Lobster tail
Posted by: "Sarah" nananewfs@yahoo.com nananewfs
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 3:26 pm ((PDT))

I was given some lobster tails for my dogs. Not fit for human
consumption as they've been in a deep freeze far a couple of years
now. Anyways my question is probably dumb but can dogs process the
shell? thanks

Sarah

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8a. Feeling stupid!
Posted by: "Denise and David Spotila" brookside_casa@yahoo.com brookside_casa
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 4:25 pm ((PDT))

I know I saved information about freezing and killing bacteria and parasites but can not find it! I have searched the archives and have not been able to find what I am looking for...........can anyone point me in the right direction please? I am looking for freezing and killing bacteria.............

David and Denise Spotila

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8b. Re: Feeling stupid!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

Denise and David Spotila <brookside_casa@...> wrote:
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> I know I saved information about freezing and killing bacteria and
parasites but can not find it! I have searched the archives and have
not been able to find what I am looking for...........can anyone point
me in the right direction please? I am looking for freezing and
killing bacteria.............
*****
If you are trying to find documentation that supports the notion, you
won't, since freezing doesn't do a great job of killing bacteria. It
does slow reproduction, but the little darlin's just start in again as
soon as the meat thaws.

Might you be more specific?
Chris O

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9a. Neck bones - which is best
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 4:29 pm ((PDT))

I'm about to buy some meaty neck bones from my local butcher. He
offers Lamb neck, Beef neck, and Pork neck. Of course, there is quire
a price difference between each of these. I'm having trouble deciding
which would be best for my 90lb GSD. Any suggestions?
Also, are the neck bones from these animals edible, or will I need to
make sure to remove the bones once he's chewed off the meat?
Thanks,
Erica

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9b. Re: Neck bones - which is best
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

The pork and lamb will definitely be edible. My 20 lb. Boston handles
those fine. I'm not sure about the beef neck--might be fine for your
size dog. If the lamb and pork are close in price, I'd go for lamb as
it's probably a bit closer to wolves' natural diet, but I feed both.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "millser25" <millser25@...> wrote:
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> I'm about to buy some meaty neck bones from my local butcher. He
> offers Lamb neck, Beef neck, and Pork neck.

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10a. BIG argument with a "holistic" vet!
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 4:29 pm ((PDT))

moderators note:Sign your mails!

So, I am still trying to find a holistic vet somewhere close to me,
which means even an hour or more away. I live out in nowhere! lol I
get a name of a woman vet and I call her today and she tells me all
she does is accupuncture. No problem, so I ask if she has anyone she
could recommend and she is a bit snooty/rude and says what do you
need? I said, "Well, right now I have adopted a 10 month old
Dachshund that needs to be spayed and I just don't like the vets out
here because their interest is all conventional med. and large animal
to boot." She laughs and says, "Well, to spay you still need the
same
meds whether you go to a holistic vet or a conventional vet." DUH! I
say, "Yes, I know this but I would like to START wiht a new holistic
vet and then
continue to use this vet, which ever one I can find, from now on. I
told her that the vets out here do not agree with RAW fed dogs and
she said, "Well, it depends on what you mean as RAW?" I explained
the prey model diet-WOLF DIET, and she started to go off on
me! "There is nothing wrong with dogs eating vegetables!" "Dogs are
not obligatory carnivores!" "Even wolves eat berries and fruits!" I
said, "Really? Where did you find your information?" She tells me
"It's a known fact and that no holistic vet that she knows would EVER
agree that a straight raw diet with no veg. or suppliments would be
good for a dog." I told her that in everything that I have
researched
and studied I have found that she is incorrect and that I have a
degree in exercise physiology and a minor in nutrition so I am no
genius but I do have a little understanding of how different animal
bodies work. I told her that I would give her my email address and
she could send me any information that is of the contrary to what I
was telling her. I wanted to know, seriously. I asked her, "What
about a dog is not a carnivore to you? She then said that they are
not direct decentants of wolves...HUH?! She just said earlier that
wolves ate the berries and fruits and stomach content of their prey,
which I corrected her on and she did not believe. She said, she was
originally from California and the coyotes and dogs were notorious
for scavaging into the avacado fields. I said, "They are scavangers
and they have learned to hunt differently than wolves but they are
indeed carnivores. If humanes did not incrouch on their territories
we would see that they would be eating MEAT, not avacados." She
said, "We could argue all day long and both will not back down from
each others beliefs, but I have treated many, many dogs over my
career and they have done just fine on raw + veg. I then asked her
and what about any of your treatment of only raw dieted dogs? She
said she didn't really see many, that she can recall...Maybe because
they were so healthy she didn't need to see them! lol
Needless to say, she wasn't very helpful in helping me find a good
holistic vet around my area! LOL Gee, I wonder why??? Hehehehe

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10b. Re: BIG argument with a "holistic" vet!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 4:47 pm ((PDT))

Well, she's right about one thing, Cori....I have not yet heard of one
holistic vet who has a clue about rawfeeding! They pretty much all agree
dogs are omnivores, require fruits, veggies and a whole array of
supplements. The most popular seems to be Missing Link with all it's
horrible ingredients! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "coriowen" <COwen98@aol.com>

She tells me
"It's a known fact and that no holistic vet that she knows would EVER
agree that a straight raw diet with no veg. or suppliments would be
good for a dog."

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10c. Re: BIG argument with a "holistic" vet!
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

Sandee,
She actually referred me to a vet that wrote the book on all that
fruit, veggie, suppliments...oh yeah and meat diet! I told her, I knew
about him and he wouldn't be much help since he thought about RAW the
same way she did! LOL She was not too happy with me, not too happy at
all. I may have found one, that from what I have read she does believe
in prey model diet, I plan on calling her tomorrow. She would be about
an hour and a half away, but it would be nice to have a vet for routine
health checks for the girls. This is harder than I thought! Rrrr!
Cori
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Well, she's right about one thing, Cori....I have not yet heard of one
> holistic vet who has a clue about rawfeeding! They pretty much all
agree
> dogs are omnivores, require fruits, veggies and a whole array of
> supplements. The most popular seems to be Missing Link with all it's
> horrible ingredients! :))
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "coriowen" <COwen98@...>

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11a. Re: Please help very nervous
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 5:47 pm ((PDT))

Chris,
Read Work Wonders, by Tom Lonsdale, he's an Australian Vet, and a good one, and used to be a teaching vet at a university too.
Also read his book called Raw Meaty Bones, it's a bit longer and not as easy a read as the first, but goes more into detail if that is what you need, the details. There are other books out there, but these two I find are really specific and I've seen this guy on tv, he's a no fus no muss kind of person, and he has an adopted daughter who is brilliant, and she also gets it, and if she can understand it, so can I.:) Your ok, and your dogs will be too. I think what you read about was a misquoted case or a unsubstantiated case. I've never seen any with backup yet.
Goodluck, and keep it up, you really are doing a great service for your dog.
Jeni

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From: "chrisstfo@aol.com" <chrisstfo@aol.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2007 9:58:08 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Please help very nervous

Hi, how is everyone. OK I started raw 7 days ago. First info I got was to
go with red meat and other meat also. I stopped the red meat. I am only
giving her chicken as of right now. She seems to be doing very well on it. I
have a few questions that I would like answered by people that have fed there
dogs raw for more then 7 years. My wife is on my case, she found an article
from a DR name Julie Churchill college of veterinarian medicine unerviersty
of Minnesota. First is I just read a post by a member it stated that her dog
had a problem with her pancreas in this article it states that this is very
common with raw fed dogs. Is this true? It also says that dogs have died
from puncture wounds in the stomach and intes from raw feeding... It salo says
that all raw diets are lacking in nutritional deficiencies as well as serious
bacterial contamination. I am a believer in feeding animals the way they
would eat in the wild. Also am a believer that all commercial food is BS and
not good for our animals. I just need some articles to read on this, I am
having a hard time navigating this email board, if someone could help me. I
am scared that I may hurt my dog. Could someone please point me in the right
direction. Thank You, Chris PS she is 1 year old and weighs 60 pounds she is
a mut...

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12a. Re: Vet blames Raw Diet for CoCcidia....any thoughts?
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 6:17 pm ((PDT))

Like I've said, Giselle is the Goddess of research.

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12b. Re: Vet blames Raw Diet for CoCcidia....any thoughts?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 8:37 pm ((PDT))

Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...> wrote:
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> Like I've said, Giselle is the Goddess of research.
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Ah, Giselle is the Goddess of making information user friendly, a fine
talent indeed. I think Lora (bearhair) is the Goddess of research.
Between them we will never want for documentation. And then someday
perhaps Jen (artfreaky) who is the Goddess of Tidy Files will return to
the list and my goodness the three will rule the world.

Chris O

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13. Lamb flank/dry skin (was Trimming...)
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

<<...I'm seeing a
100% increase in dry skin since adding a meal of lamb flank at least once a week...>>

Do you really mean what you just said? that you have seen 100% increase in dry skin???? Or improvement in dry skin?????

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14a. Re: Color change in coat
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 7:01 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/5/2007 1:11:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mpenny007@gmail.com writes:

He is brindle, which we knew, but
his brindle has gotten much more pronounced(a beautiful golden color!) So,
I'm thinkin(no professional opinion, of course) that it is the result of
better nutrition.

***i can second that.. our golden was somewhere around 7is when we started
feeding raw.. he had a couple sores and hot spots.. his coat was dull red.. i
wasn't hoping for much more than his sores improve.. lol.

within 2 weeks his sores were healed, the hair had started coming back in
about a week after that.. and 3 months down the line his dingy red coat started
sparkling and got a beautiful yellow hue that wasn't there before..

Catherine R.

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15a. Re: San Diego Resources?
Posted by: "diana zarate" zarated5@sbcglobal.net bulliegirl55
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2007 8:10 pm ((PDT))

Do you live in San Diego? If you do and you get your meat for less than a buck please let me know where because I have yet to find a place here that sell cheap meat.

Diana

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
diana zarate <zarated5@...> wrote:
Also, the Bravo meat is not that expensive I get 5 pounds for $13.00
which lasts a whole month since that is not the only thing I feed.
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Oh my.
Not that expensive?
Anything over a buck a pound is getting pricey for me and $2.60 US is
fairly breathtaking.

I hope for your money you're getting more than just ground up meat.
Chris O

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