[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12010

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: where to buy raw? pittsburgh, PA
From: linoleum5017

2a. Re: My first raw shopping trip.....
From: linoleum5017

3a. Re: Source for Alligator Meat?
From: Casey Post

4a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: delcaste
4c. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
From: jmwise80

5a. Re: Thank you!
From: Giselle

6a. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: mariasmom2001
6b. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: tottime47
6c. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
From: costrowski75
7b. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
From: Laurie Swanson
7c. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
From: wandaful
7d. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
From: Laurie Swanson

8a. Re: Bone question
From: Laurie Swanson
8b. Re: Bone question
From: Sandee Lee

9a. Re: What to do about bone?
From: Giselle

10. Old subject, new dog
From: mob1043

11a. Re: Louie is getting better....I think
From: ginny wilken

12a. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
From: Casey Post
12b. Seizures and raw feeding-please help
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

13a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
From: mz_boomer2

14. Kitty With Intestinal Blockage?
From: helpshelteranimals

15. Is catfish OK to give?
From: mz_boomer2

16a. Re: Goop in eyes
From: mz_boomer2

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1a. Re: where to buy raw? pittsburgh, PA
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 8:25 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Pam,

Glad to know another rawfeeder in Pgh. There are a few of us who share
cases of meat here, but we could sure use another enthusiast. Please
email me off-list, and I'll fill you in. Please identify your
neighborhood, and we'll share what we know.

For one thing, appropriate to this list, I can share that chicken
backs alone are too bony to feed to your dog for long. It's better to
have meat that surrounds a bone, so that you cannot really even see
the bone. Think 8 times as much meat as bone! While chicken backs
are edible, it will take a lot of boneless meat to meet that ratio.

pamela flock <pamelaflock@...> wrote:
> I am unsure of the cuts of meat to get. So far I have purchased a
case of chicken backs. Although they seem almost too bony.

>He has also done well with pigs feed, round steak & beef soup bones.
***
Pigs feet are a nice treat, but there is little real meat for a dog's
nutrition in them. They are mostly ligament, tendon and fat, along
with some hoof-stuff. Nothing against them, but dogs need real meat
for the most part. Round steak, now, YES! That's pretty expensive,
however, so many of us go for the cheaper cuts of pork, chicken, and
whatever else we can find. Chicken gizzards, for example, (very
cheap,) are all meat. Same w/hearts, (though fairly rich, causing
loose stool in large amts.) I'm a real advocate for red meat, but I'm
able to get venison from a friend, so I can bypass the $$$ detriment.

Beef soup bones are a real no-no. They wear down a dog's teeth, with
little benefit. Better to feed non-weight-bearing bones, buried in
lots of meat. That's what will help the nutrition, and the teeth.

> Does anyone know of any co-ops close to Pittsburgh?
****
Don't know of a coop, (but I'm thrilled if someone else chimes in
w/information.) Our couple of South Hills rawfeeders would sure be
interested in sharing the bulk of large (low cost) orders. Again,
email off-list, and we can talk.

Be encouraged,
Lynne

> Thanks
> Pam F.
>
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2a. Re: My first raw shopping trip.....
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

Ginger,

Congratulations on starting rawfeeding! I had a pyr, (well.... he had
me....) and at 7 months, he was ravenous. Feed him (at least) ENTIRE
chickens! The recommended 2-3% of his mature body weight is about 3
lbs. of meat/bone per day. That can be adjusted after a while,
depending upon how he looks to you. If he's getting fat, (judge by
the rib test,) then reduce. But if his hips and ribs are detectable,
keep on with the ratio. Pyr pups need food!

I know this can all be overwhelming at first, so please persevere, (or
as we say, "pyrsevere.") Keep on reading the posts, and be encouraged.

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Bailes2 <gingerb@...> wrote:
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> I went early this morning and stocked up. I now have a drawer in my
fridge for dog food. I just gave them their first meal of raw. My 7mo
pyr pup Bandit is in heaven! It took him no time to start eating. I
need to get some batteries for my food scale but until then does
anyone know about how much a chicken leg quarter weighs on average? I
gave Bandit 2 just now and he's finished both of them.
>
> Ginger

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3a. Re: Source for Alligator Meat?
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:01 pm ((PDT))

>We went to
> a great holistic vet today who wants to do a food elimination diet, but
> I've fed Cleo so many raw meats, including rabbit and venison, that the
> vet wants to use alligator meat of all things!!!???

Wow. Good luck even getting the dogs to eat it - mine won't touch it! Even
the cats won't eat alligator (including the ones who LOVE frog!). I ended
up giving away the gator meat that I got because no one here would eat it...

FWIW, you can do an elimination diet with a meat you've already used. You
just have to feed that one thing *exclusively*, thereby eliminating all
others.

But if you're heck-bent on something novel, have you considered emu or
ostrich? Far easier to come by in many places and often cheaper. Heck,
come to think of it, frog legs can probably be gotten for less than
alligator...

Casey

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4a. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:15 pm ((PDT))

"jmwise80" <jmwise80@...> wrote:
> I was under the impression that beef trachea was used for
> chondroitin. What I have found said that glucosamine was derived
> from chitin, the outer shells from crab and lobsters.
*****
These are commercial sources of glucosamine, yes. However, that
glucosamine is obtained from them doesn't mean they are they only
source of glucosamine. Crab and lobster shells are a convenient source
and mean to the crabbing and lobstering industry that there's one more
market for crab and lobster by-products. Bovine cartilage is another
source of glucosamine though probably not for human use; Breeder's
Choice kibble uses it.

Here are a couple links:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/glucosamine/NS_patient-glucosamine
Glucosamine is a natural compound that is found in healthy cartilage.
Glucosamine sulfate is a normal constituent of glycoaminoglycans in
cartilage matrix and synovial fluid.

http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/arsupp.html
GLUCOSAMINE
Glucosamine is a naturally occurring compound composed of a sugar and
an amino acid and is involved with the body's production of joint
lubricants and shock absorption necessary to maintain healthy cartilage
and joint function. It is manufactured in the body in the joint
cartilage--

wouldn't you have to consume quite a bit of shells to derive
> any significant amount of glucosamine.
*****
Considering that one half teaspoon of ground eggshell delivers
approximately 1000mg calcium, it seems reasonable that one can get
appropriate levels from ground chitin.

But since every single time you include cartilage in your dog's diet,
you are feeding natural sources of it. For humans, I assume it's less
problematic to use chitin as the source; for our dogs it seems
elementary to simply feed both protein and body part variety.
Chris O

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4b. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:34 pm ((PDT))

...How do others who have gulpers do with this item?
>
> These have been recommended by our classical homeopath as a source of
> glucosamine for his knee issues. Are there other equally good
sources
> for this?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Laurie

Hi Laurie I have a gulping pug so big stuff works better with her.
Instead of chicken feet give your pup pig feet. Instead of a drumstick
give a turkey drum. Also, learn how to give the Heimlich maneuver on a
dog it may come in handy and can put your mind at ease. When I give all
meat meals I have to cut her meals into bite_size portions. Sandee had
a great idea of ribboning their meat. My problem is that she is very
small (she should weigh @16 pds) and I sometimes feed twice a day. If
the food isn's cut it is inhaled leading to a choking fit. Good luck.

Silvina

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4c. Re: chicken feet--gulping & glucosamine
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:27 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Chris O!

I knew someone here could correct me. Thanks for the links too.

Michael Wise

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5a. Re: Thank you!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:21 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Melanie!
Have you tried using dish washing gloves when you work
with the chicken? They're washable, reusable and the cuffs are pretty
long.
I've had up to 8 dogs eating in the house at one time, each one with
their own place, one they felt comfortable eating in; whether it was
in a crate, in the hall, in a corner of the kitchen or next to me
while I was cooking. But, they each learned to stay in their place and
eat on their rug, or mat or towel, and not their drag food all over.
You could use an ex-pen (or a big cardboard box with the top and
bottom flaps folded up) to surround your dog and his eating rug, until
he learns to stay in his place while he's eating. I wouldn't want to
banish my dog from his family, to eat in a room with a closed door.
Dogs are social animals. I also wouldn't feel comfortable if I
couldn't watch my dog eating, for that once in a millionth time I
might need to intervene because of choking or a stuck bone.

A quick wipe or mop with a vinegar/water solution works fine for clean up.

I'm no domestic goddess, but my 'baby' is now 30, with a 3yo of his
own. He grew up fine and healthy; in a house full of our own dogs,
foster dogs, cats, fish, gerbils, lizards, mice, tadpoles, and
anything he could carry or coax home with him. ^_^

A couple links for you ; )
http://www.realage.com/parentingcenter/Articles.aspx?aid=10326
http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002421.html

Bummer. Never heard of Trader Joe's before, but there's none near me.
TC
Giselle

> > Oh, and btw, why is feeding raw messy?
>
> I guess it's partly because I have to handle raw chicken twice a day
> (this from a just recently departed vegetarian and semi germ phobe)-
> juices on the counter, etc, etc. I've been feeding her outside because
> she drags the chicken all around - eats different pieces in different
> locations. I guess I could feed her inside, in the laundry room, for
> example, but I worry about her getting raw meat on surfaces that
> crawling baby hands could get at it. Even the outside makes me a
> little nervous. I'm curious what other people do to solve concerns
> about raw meat and babies in the same vicinity. Advice?
>
> > Btw Melanie, where did you get such a big chicken?
>
> Trader Joes! The greatest market of all time!
>
> Best,
> Melanie
>

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6a. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "mariasmom2001" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:29 pm ((PDT))

BTW, the meds he is on have some pretty significant side effects
including anorexia, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea....and aren't
particularly effective for giardia.

Sandee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marion" <mbldesigns@...> wrote:
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> I tried raw chicken for dinner tonight and he wouldn't eat it. He
got
> up and turned away from his dish. Monday he ate some cooked
chicken
> but wouldn't eat it Tuesday, that's when I cooked up the
> rice/oatmeal/chicken/pork goo and he ate about 3 spoonfuls of it
> Tuesday night. He didn't eat Wednesday nor today. I'll be calling
the
> vet back tomorrow. He keeps looking at us like he's hungry, but
he
> won't eat anything we give him. He just turns his nose and won't
eat
> any of it. It's almost like he's skipping about 3 meals then
he'll eat
> a tiny bit and then nothing for a while.

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6b. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

Sounds like you have a very sick dog on your hands and he needs to
be seen by the vet again......

You could try cooking up a broth from chicken parts.....
One of the emails today mentioned doing that....Just cooked all
the chicken till it's mush and add some tiny pieces of raw chicken to
it.......

You could try baby food, if he truly isn't eating.
When I had a dog with advanced cancer, I fed him chicken & beef baby
food for infants...It was all he would eat.

Good Luck and let us know what the Vet says..........

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marion" <mbldesigns@...> wrote:
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> OK we just tried raw chicken again, no luck. He ate 5 little
pieces about the size of my
> fingertip and won't eat anymore.
>
> Thanks,
> Marion

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6c. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:04 pm ((PDT))

I really don't know if he is doing this because he is sick...or if he's
waiting for you to fuss over him and offer something better. Only you can
see just how ill this dog is or whether he is playing you.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Marion" <mbldesigns@yahoo.com>

I tried raw chicken for dinner tonight and he wouldn't eat it. He got
up and turned away from his dish. Monday he ate some cooked chicken
but wouldn't eat it Tuesday, that's when I cooked up the
rice/oatmeal/chicken/pork goo and he ate about 3 spoonfuls of it
Tuesday night. He didn't eat Wednesday nor today. I'll be calling the
vet back tomorrow. He keeps looking at us like he's hungry, but he
won't eat anything we give him. He just turns his nose and won't eat
any of it. It's almost like he's skipping about 3 meals then he'll eat
a tiny bit and then nothing for a while.

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7a. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:30 pm ((PDT))

Terri Leist <qahri@...> wrote:
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> I was offered some rabbits for $6.00 each. I weighed some already
skinned that another person gave me & they weighed about 2lbs. Is
that too much for rabbit?
*****
That's kinda a lot of money, especially if you aren't keen on
rabbit. Especially especially if your dogs aren't keen on rabbit
either. I would prefer to pay no more than two bucks a buck (teehee)
since no processing's been done but it depends on the bunny I suppose.

I mean, getting chicken, beef, & pork; isn't that enough variety?
*****
It's adequate but I don't think it's optimal. But absolutely if
rabbit doesn't do it for you, you have other options. Would I feed
rabbit over chicken? Yes. Would I feed rabbit over goat? Nope, I'd
go for goat every time. I'd go for lamb every time, too.

I think you should try for more protein variety but no, rabbit is not
so brilliant as to warrant fussing if you aren't into fussing. You
might try storebought rabbit; for six dollars you should be able to
find some sort of trial dog-ready rabbit meal.
Chris O

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7b. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:46 pm ((PDT))

That seems kinda high to me--I'm in Seattle and I can get whole,
skinned rabbit for a little under $2/lb. at the Asian markets. If it's
really good quality and you don't mind killing/cleaning, you might
splurge once in awhile and see if they just love it. Can you get lamb
or goat or turkey? Those would be good for some more variety, too.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Terri Leist <qahri@...> wrote:
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> I was offered some rabbits for $6.00 each. I weighed some already
skinned that another person gave me & they weighed about 2lbs. Is that
too much for rabbit?

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7c. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
Posted by: "wandaful" rondarosa@ftcnet.net rondaros
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:28 pm ((PDT))

I keep getting more confused, not less. I have been picturing just tossing a dog the whole rabbit....obviously killed, but not dressed.
wanda
----- Original Message -----
I would still have to kill & clean them. I know the price of beef, pork, & chicken, but I am unsure of rabbit. Do they really NEED rabbit??
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7d. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:26 am ((PDT))

Hi Wanda,

Not sure if you're answering Terri's question or if you have a question
yourself. Want to clarify?

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "wandaful" <rondarosa@...> wrote:
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> I keep getting more confused, not less. I have been picturing just
tossing a dog the whole rabbit....obviously killed, but not dressed.
> wanda

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8a. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:34 pm ((PDT))

Bones that bear a lot of weight--like the leg bones of very large
animals like cows, buffalo, etc.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Rhonda" <rhonda18@...> wrote:
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> I am sorry what are large weight bearing bones?

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8b. Re: Bone question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 2:04 am ((PDT))

When you hit a brick wall, back off and try something else. There are many
on this list who have fed EPI and other pancreas diseased dogs successfully.
The key seems to be starting slowly, little bone, little fat, frequent small
meals and the addition of a prescription strength pancreatic enzyme. There
is a ton of information in the archives addressing this.

The pancreas (and all other organs) require easily digestible, high quality
proteins. You cannot get that in a processed food. Carbohydrates produce
more waste products which continue to stress the organs...it's a vicious
cycle.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Rhonda" <rhonda18@gmail.com>

I worked through the raw issues until I hit a brick wall, if I give her
the meat with the bones she cannot digest the bones because of her EPI
and if I give her meat without the bones she will not get what she is
supposed to get from the bones. Plus a whole list of other issues.

She is doing really well on what she is on now, I have her on 80% grain
free organic kibble [Castor and Pollux] and I mix it with Spot Stew
[human grade meats and ingredients]

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9a. Re: What to do about bone?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:41 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Rachel!
You could put the chicken in a plastic bag, wrap it in an
old kitchen towel and whack it with a tenderizing mallet, hammer or
the back of a cleaver until the bone is in small bits.

As Riley gets used to eating without the missing teeth, just break up
the chicken bones less and less. He should adjust to eating without
them just fine, given time.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> After breaking both upper fourth premolars, Riley had them removed 3
> weeks ago.
<snip>
Last night I gave him is first
> raw chicken bone. He couldn't and wouldn't eat it. He seemed to have
> depended too much on those back premolars. What should I do to make
> sure he gets enough bone in his diet? Thanks in advance,
>
> Rachel
>

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10. Old subject, new dog
Posted by: "mob1043" ynotbeastar@marykay.com mob1043
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:30 pm ((PDT))

To my friends with Raw knowledge...

My mother just bought a silky terrier, 4 mos old and weighing in @
just under 4 lbs. We went to the vet for a new baby checkup and was
told everything was fine and she was healthy.

Tonight we noticed the two little ones have had diarrhea and the silky
has some blood mixed in. She seems energetic and normal...I have been
feeding strictly chicken w/ bone according to weight recommendations.
Why do you think the bloody stool? Could this have anything to do
with eating small bit of chicken liver and are pups to young for organ
meats?

Thank you for your advice,
Michele

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11a. Re: Louie is getting better....I think
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2007 11:55 pm ((PDT))

On Sep 6, 2007, at 1:06 PM, mandajenwalker wrote:

> I haven't put him on the meds that she gave me yet. I don't know if
> that is the right thing to do or not. I don't want the meds to
> interfere with my observation of the raw diet.....is that the right
> thing to do? Should I be giving him the meds to? Or is the raw diet
> going to help with his problem? Just not sure.
> Please let me know,
> Thanks,
> Mandy
>

Mandy, he needs those meds to get his function back to normal. The
diet will not restore a broken thyroid gland, and poor diet did not
cause it either. He will do better in every respect when his
metabolism is brought back up to speed.

Don't think of thyroid replacement as a med; it's just a substance
the body needs that it is not making for itself in adequate amounts
any more.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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12a. Re: Seizures and raw feeding-please help
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:41 am ((PDT))

>>I have been raw
> feeding her for the past year and she has been very healthy, she is only 4
> years old. I read on
> the http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/ that raw feeding is
> not advised for
> epileptic dogs. I'm a bit confused and was wondering if anyone had any
> thoughts or
> experiences on this subject and any advise regarding the raw diet and dogs
> that are epileptic.

Wilson,

The site you linked to is a good one for both thyroid and seizure
information. It is NOT a good site for dietary advice, however.

Many of us value Dr. Dodds for her expertise in the area of hypothyroidism
and I find her to very knowledgeable and extraordinarily helpful (I've
called her at home) for this. Would I follow the dietary recommendations on
the site? No, I would not, but that's me.

I would ask you if you are pursuing a diagnosis for your girl? While four
is young for hypothyroidism, it's not unheard of (I know a Golden who was
full blown hypothyroid at the age of two!) and that's among the first things
a vet should be considering with any seizure activity reported, regardless
of what the dog looks like (too many vets think a dog has to be fat with a
dull coat to be hypothyroid - not so). Blood work, physical exams, etc. all
good ideas with seizures.

I am all for tweaking a diet to suit a dog with medical issues, but I would
not rule a raw diet out simply because of a diagnosis of epilepsy.

Casey

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12b. Seizures and raw feeding-please help
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:49 am ((PDT))

I was one of the people who send Wilson to that epilepsy website and hadn't
noticed the page cautioning against raw feeding until now. I just read it
and actually don't see the direct concern. The argument there seems to be that
feeding raw to ANY sick or compromised dog is a bad idea; exactly the
OPPOSITE point of view from this (and other) lists that promote or advocate raw.

I know for kidney failure it's difficult to feed raw but only because it's
hard to get enough calories and protein into the dog without upping the
phosphorus (which is high in meat and bones), so they resort to carbs just for the
calories.

But here the concern seems to be entirely bacteria. While the site makes a
good point about the differences between real prey out in the wild vs.
factory-farmed meat for human consumption (ironic that the latter is of more
concern!), I still don't see the relation to epilepsy (other than the compromised
immune system argument which I don't quite buy).

However, if bacteria is a concern, I soak my meats (especially "off" chicken
parts) in a solution of apple cider vinegar and water before feeding. It
may not be necessary, but it eases any concerns I have and the dog doesn't seem
to mind.

Carol & Spencer

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13a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
Posted by: "mz_boomer2" mz_boomer2@yahoo.com mz_boomer2
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:25 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "Andrea" <poketmouse45@> wrote:
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> > I'm sure someone else <cough>Chris<cough> will post the actual
> numbers.
> >
> *****
> One 1,000mg capsule, 180 EPA and 120 DHA.
>
> 1 capsule per 20lb - 30lb, maintenance dose
> 1 capsule per 10lb, therapeutic dose
>
> For example, I am currently giving my 60lb golden six capsules a day.
> Chris O
>

****
Thank you, Chris !! I benefitted EXACTLY from your answers as well.
Perfectly answered my queries before I could even spit 'em out! Great
timing =)

Thank you for your expertise and patience with us "newbies" =)

-Pam, Christine & Halo

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14. Kitty With Intestinal Blockage?
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:25 am ((PDT))

My foster kitty's tummy is lumpy and bulgy and she has curvy bulges in
her stomach area. She is eating fine but acting like she is always
starving. She has only thrown up once about 3 days ago when she ate
too much. I cannot tell if she is pooping or not, we have only one
door in our apartment and it's from the bedroom to the rest of the
house and when the door is closed all 3 cats try to tear up the carpet
(the bathroom is TINY you can barely fit one person in there and a
litter box would not fit) and my dog is taking up the kennel, he has a
strained ligament in his leg and must stay in the kennel during the
day while I'm at work. She is running and jumping and playing and
hanging on the cat tree like everything is fine, this has me stumped.
It's 12:40am here but I can't sleep, too worried.

Taking her to vet tomorrow first thing at 8:00am, E vet here is
HORRIBLE and treats animals VERY BADLY! (not just my opinion)
Could this be intestinal blockage???

AG & Ruffian - Mystery Mutt

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15. Is catfish OK to give?
Posted by: "mz_boomer2" mz_boomer2@yahoo.com mz_boomer2
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:27 am ((PDT))

I have been seeing some pretty good deals on catfish lately and I was
just wondering if that was ok to give my 40 lb 2yo lab mixes? I have
heard that since catfish are "bottom feeders" ...they ingest alot of
the crud of pollutants and excrement that settles on the bottom floor
of the water.

Should that be a concern for me? (You can tell I am not much of a fish-
eater myself) lol

I usually supplement them with a little salmon oil daily but I wanted
to start them on some fish proteins since they went bananas over
tilapia that I got for them. =o)

Thanks in advance =)

Pam, Christine & Halo

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16a. Re: Goop in eyes
Posted by: "mz_boomer2" mz_boomer2@yahoo.com mz_boomer2
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:28 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "meg_helmes" <mhelmes@...> wrote:
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> > >>>My question is my papillon now has
> > yellowish white goop coming out of her eyes.<<<
>
> Prior to Raw feeding my dog Ruby, she also had eye boogers every day,
> especially in the mornings. It seemed like they got worse during the
> first few weeks of raw, but after a month or so, she doesn't have any
> problems at all.

> ~Meg
>
*** I hear ya !! My dog was the same thing. The 1st 2 weeks my girl's
eyes were HUGE gollops of the stuff...and I attributed it to over
calcification (too much bone) because we were just introducing her to
the diet and she started off on just chicken quarters until she was
ready for other meatier meals. But once we did it ALL cleared up.

-Pam, Christine & Halo

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