[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12014

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: intro myself and question on off grid living and raw feeding
From: Bj

2a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
From: Maggie Smith
2b. Re: It has been a month on raw!
From: Howard Salob

3. Puppy throws up and soft stools
From: vickies_28

4a. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: carnesbill
4b. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: Yasuko herron
4c. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: steph.sorensen
4d. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: jmwise80
4e. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: Bailes2
4f. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: geraldinebutterfield
4g. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
From: steph.sorensen

5a. Re: Is catfish OK to give?
From: mz_boomer2

6a. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
From: Linda Gower
6b. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
From: Marion

7a. Re: Kitty With Intestinal Blockage?
From: MRS. GONZALEZ

8a. Re: COPROPHAGY
From: millser25

9a. Re: BIG argument with a "holistic" vet!
From: rokedemyah

10a. Re: New to this: how much to feed to start?
From: m.lesmana

11a. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
From: liza2otis1

12. amalyse(sp?)-irritated pancreas
From: beckie716

13. update to:please help, my dog is constipated
From: beckie716

14a. collies and shedding
From: nwohiopma

15a. Re: Collie
From: nwohiopma

16. [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
From: Brandi Bryant

17. Feeding wild game
From: jenstalter

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1a. Re: intro myself and question on off grid living and raw feeding
Posted by: "Bj" seawindbullies@yahoo.com seawindbullies
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:58 pm ((PDT))

Hello Barb,

I have no experience in off-grid living although its something I have
been interested in for the last few years. Anyway, one thought that
came to me is are you near enough to a town where you could
possibly rent freezer space in some cold storage facility or some
business that has a large freezer area?

From what I've read, portable battery-powered refrigerators that run
off of DC and / or AC power( ie.e car battery through the cigarette
lighter outlet or into a solar power system) usually keep your foods
40-degrees cooler than outside temperatures. So depending on your
climate, it could work some part of the year but probably not year-around.

How about a kerosene fueled freezer? Oh, and I remember once seeing an
article with instructions for building an ice house in the Mother
Earth magazine, but don't remember much about it.

Anyway, most likely dumb thoughts but I tried :-)
Best of luck to you!
Bj

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2a. Re: It has been a month on raw!
Posted by: "Maggie Smith" redkeds@comcast.net redkeds1
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:58 pm ((PDT))

I keep ground beef on hand for this very thing. One Dane won't eat
fish and I don't feed the other one fish very often. So I keep
about a pound at a time in the fridge and each night make little
meatballs and plop those supps right in.

Hope it helps :)

Maggie, Rufus and Oliver
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Erica Gordon <ericagordon@...>
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> Yes, thanks for all of the awesome info provided here! Sophie
won't take the caps without the peanut butter. I even tried sliting
holes into her meat & inserting the capsules into the meat & she ate
the meat & left the salmon oil caps on the ground! So I guess
peanut butter it is, unless anyone else has any ideas?
>
> Erica
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2b. Re: It has been a month on raw!
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

Dear Erica,

I have tried all of the recommendations for getting a dog to take capsules and the best, really the best is wrapping it up in cream cheese.

Sincerely,

Howard

Erica Gordon <ericagordon@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yes, thanks for all of the awesome info provided here! Sophie won't take the caps without the peanut butter. I even tried sliting holes into her meat & inserting the capsules into the meat & she ate the meat & left the salmon oil caps on the ground! So I guess peanut butter it is, unless anyone else has any ideas?

Erica

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3. Puppy throws up and soft stools
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone!
I've been feeding raw for 4 weeks. Husband is so much against it that
he doesn't talk to me anymore (as if I was feeding him raw :)). So far
all was pretty much going OK, but in the last 2 days, the dog threw up
bile - woke us up at 4 am 2 nights in a row. He didnm't seem to be
distirbed by it or anything. But my hubby says it's a direct
indication that he cannot digest raw food, plus he also has
continuosly soft stools, or mucusy even.
People here told me not to worry about mucusy stools, so I am not as
concerened but the throw up thing? It's OK once in a while but 2 days
in a row?!?!??! is soemthing wrong? What am I doing wrong?
I am afraid I might face a divorce in the near future :) if I doj't
clarify this issue. Hubby is also the one that says that I killed our
other dog (I wrote about this here), a puppy that died of cancer at 13
months

Thanks in advance
Vickie

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4a. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "steph.sorensen"
<steph.sorensen@...> wrote:
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> Would these fresh kills be okay
> for the dogs?

My dogs and cats all will catch a squirrel for a meal from time to
time. I don't give it a second thought. They also catch rabbits,
vouls, mice, rats and any other creature they happen upon. My dogs
don't actively hunt but will kill and eat anything that crosses
their path. The cats actively hunt every day.

To the person who lives in town and can't shoot rabbits, you can
always put out a rabbit box and catch them. :)

To the person worried about the toxisity of the bullet/shot, neither
is toxic to a dog. It will pass right through. I would worry about
broken teeth.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4b. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:00 pm ((PDT))

>You and your dogs/pets can't live in a bubble for the rest of your life!

Hi,christine.I agree with that.

I live in gated community and have tonz of trees around. Our community is trying to reserve trees as much as possible to keep community more natural.

Thus,you see many squirrels crossing roads,and goose hanging around lake..

Almost impossible to get squirrels go away at least from our lot due to trees around our house.

Somebody on other list,told me her success story about deterring squirrels.She said that her husband scared squirrels with BB gun or something and possibly words traveled from one family of squirrels to the other and,their yard is squirrels-free now she says.

I am scared of breaking neighbor's windows,so,I would not do that,but point is,if I scare them,they may not hang around,I thought.

I am not sure if infecting rate is quiterare or not because to get infected,the squirrels have to be infected in thefirst place.So, my guess is low,and best thing for me could be distract her from sniffing poo with play balls and, try not to let her eat poo as much as possible(well,she loves findit game and she is pretty good finding stuff,so,she usually be thefirst one to find bug in the house if we have one like small spider,or one fly came in with us and could not find the way out and ended up getting paw punch from palette and dead) and not too worry???

I like watching her barking with anticipation for me to throw the ball and go get the balls with full run with sometimes with stamble a bit and sometimes she roll herself on lawn with delightful smile and,I find my self smiling as well,so, if the chances of getting lept is rare and low,and if it is easy to treat, I think I try ball still(but mostlikely fail because when I notice it,it is too late most of the time)but if she had diarrhea for longer time with no apparent reason or days under-weather and lethergic,I think I take her to vet and see waht it is.

Thank you for your opinions though,

yassy

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4c. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:00 pm ((PDT))

Chris, an air rifle just shoots these little caps made of a light
weight material (not lead, but not entirely sure what they are). I
doubt that it would be too difficult just to remove with a knife prior
to feeding.

My question was more in regards to squirrel meat as a good food for the
dogs (or the cat). Does anyone know what the approximate meat to bone
ratio would be in squirrels?

Just good stuff to know in case I decide to knock a couple off and
toss 'em in the freezer! :)

To the poster who suggested poison: wouldn't that kill them prior to
them coming to eat seed from my deck? I don't know of any squirrels
eating poison and then living to eat another meal again. Of course,
I've never personally tested that theory, so who's to say. It could be
possible that very small amounts could build up in their systems
without killing them, and they could eventually build a tolerance to
certain poisons. I'll have to look into that further, thanks for
bringing it up!

-Steph
Scarlet (mmmm...Mom gave us beef heart today!)
Lucy (I liked the venison shoulder we got today better)
Minkey (man, I'm sick of this ki**le crap!)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "momentumm5" <Momentumm5@...> wrote:
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> Wouldn't it also be dependent on what you are shooting or killing
them
> with. I am not a hunter so I am not certain how hard it might be to
> remove buckshot/leadshot etc. from a dead squirrel. Some of it might
be
> toxic to the dog???
>
> Chris in Michigan.
>

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4d. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Gomes" <gomes@...> wrote:
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> Steph,
>
> New here, but I would caution this because, legal or not, I know
some
> people put out poison for squirrels, and other "pests".
>
> Steve
>

*******Squirrel season starts tomorrow and I HOPE that my dog will
eat them. Most of the places I and others I know hunt are well away
from any houses where they would be poisoned. I guess it is just
where you are taking them from.

"Wouldn't it also be dependent on what you are shooting or killing
them
with. I am not a hunter so I am not certain how hard it might be to
remove buckshot/leadshot etc. from a dead squirrel. Some of it might
be
toxic to the dog???

Chris in Michigan."

*******I found a "birdshot detector" that is just a mini metal
detector. Getting shot out is easy now that I have my detector to
find it. You can also use a non toxic shot. I'm going to use that
for everything from now on. I will still try to remove as much shot
as I can, though, cause I have hurt my teeth more than once on missed
shot. I would hate to hurt my dogs teeth.

Michael Wise

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4e. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "Bailes2" gingerb@comporium.net ginnie4girls
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:50 pm ((PDT))

In the South squirrel is a long standing tradition. I remember my
grandfather taking us hunting for them and playing with the tails after
he skinned them. They taste good!

Ginger

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4f. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:19 pm ((PDT))

I agree with Steve who warned about the poison people put out for
pesky animals, bugs…
There is no way for me to know who is putting out what, and we live
in a bit of a country setting so have lots of these critters. I
would not let my little girl eat a squirrel or mouse, unless I knew
for certain it was safe, which I will not say those around me are.
Although they would probably be a good meal. Just my 2 cents.

geraldine

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "steph.sorensen"
<steph.sorensen@...> wrote:
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> I am just racking my brain to try to exercise all of my free meat
> options, and we keep shooting squirrels off of our back deck that
are
> feasting on our suet and bird seed. Would these fresh kills be
okay
> for the dogs?
>

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4g. Re: Does anyone ever feed squirrel?
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:

> My dogs and cats all will catch a squirrel for a meal from time to
> time. I don't give it a second thought. They also catch rabbits,
> vouls, mice, rats and any other creature they happen upon. My dogs
> don't actively hunt but will kill and eat anything that crosses
> their path. The cats actively hunt every day.
>
> To the person who lives in town and can't shoot rabbits, you can
> always put out a rabbit box and catch them. :)
>
> To the person worried about the toxisity of the bullet/shot,
neither
> is toxic to a dog. It will pass right through. I would worry
about
> broken teeth.
>
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That is what my line of thinking was. My cat hunts and occasionally
leaves gutted rodent presents on our doorstep. She is equipped with
a bell to ward off most things, but she's gotten really good at being
a sit-and-wait predator. I've watched her sit for nearly an hour,
watching a bird, or a mouse, amble its way over to her. The birds
usually get away, but the mice are rarely as lucky. :)

I think I may throw them the next squirrel I kill and see what they
do with it. This is fun!

-Steph
Scarlet (mmmmm...squirrel...been tryin' ta catch one of those for
months!)
Lucy
Minkey

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5a. Re: Is catfish OK to give?
Posted by: "mz_boomer2" mz_boomer2@yahoo.com mz_boomer2
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> >I have been seeing some pretty good deals on catfish lately and I
was
>
> > just wondering if that was ok to give my 40 lb 2yo lab mixes?
>
> Hi. I have a story to tell you about catfish. I was told that if
you cut off barb that has,it is ok to feed,so,I bought it just half
pound to see how palette takes it.
>
>
> Shesniffed it very good,and licked it,and looked at me, and she
threw her body on to piece of fish!! She was rolling on pieceof
catfish with huuugesmile on her face with delight.
>
> I tried it with other meat as meal but all she did was same.
>
> She accept it with open arms to roll on it,but not open arms for
actually eating it.
>
> >
> yassy

****
Thanks Yassy, I enjoyed the laugh...reminded me of when Christine
tries to "perfume" herself in the same fashion with the goose
droppings at the park! lol

-Pam, Christine & Halo
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6a. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
Posted by: "Linda Gower" pudeltime@bellsouth.net pudeltime
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

As long as his liver and pancreas values are high, he's not going to feel like eating. At least that was the case with my dog and
the others I've had experience with. I had luck with raw stew meat for a while. I think that is what actually pulled him thru. I got the point
I was having to force feed him A/D - I know, I know, but that was that at the time. I had to do something to get his protein levels up or he was going to die. But anyway, beef seemed to be the only thing he'd entertain when he'd be willing to be coaxed to eat something. When their pancreatic and bile ducts are inflammed like that, it hurts when the eat, so of course, they avoid it.

Just my experience............ You might try CanineLiver group too - they had quite a few raw feeders that helped me when Duncan was so sick.

Linda Gower

Bloodwork:
pancreas and some liver numbers were 2-3 x over normal indicating the
ducts are inflammed. Xray showed no blockage and no masses, but did
show well formed fecal. So vet thinks the infection in the intestines
is gone and now we have inflamation in the adjacent organs' ducts. So
finish off the last few remaining pills and add a new antibiotic that
will go through the liver. He mentioned sending me home with some
different food for now. As a next step if he doesn't get better after 3-
4 days, he would send Bernie off for an ultrasound, but that could
prove to be cost prohibitive. He says there's no reason Bernie isn't
eating except for a tummyache. His weight is down 1 pound.

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6b. Re: Update on Bernie, sick Sheltie
Posted by: "Marion" mbldesigns@yahoo.com mbldesigns
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:20 pm ((PDT))

Thank you. That's exactly what the vet sent me home with 4 cans of
A/D. Bernie is loving this stuff. He ate one whole can at dinner time
and then another just now 5 hours later. We'll get some beef tomorrow
at the store and try that. He does like liver, so I'm going to try
adding meat to the liver and see if I can get him to eat that way,
probably pulverize it so it's like what's in the can. This stuff is
chicken liver, pork liver, chicken, corn flour, fish oil and then all
the additives they have to add in.

Thank you,
Marion

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Gower" <pudeltime@...> wrote:
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> As long as his liver and pancreas values are high, he's not going to
feel like eating. At least that was the case with my dog and
> the others I've had experience with. I had luck with raw stew meat
for a while. I think that is what actually pulled him thru. I got the
point
> I was having to force feed him A/D - I know, I know, but that was
that at the time. I had to do something to get his protein levels up or
he was going to die. But anyway, beef seemed to be the only thing he'd
entertain when he'd be willing to be coaxed to eat something. When
their pancreatic and bile ducts are inflammed like that, it hurts when
the eat, so of course, they avoid it.
>
> Just my experience............ You might try CanineLiver group too -
they had quite a few raw feeders that helped me when Duncan was so sick.
>
> Linda Gower

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7a. Re: Kitty With Intestinal Blockage?
Posted by: "MRS. GONZALEZ" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

Samantha is fine, vet says she is in PERFECT condition, she knows I feed raw says she can't find one single thing wrong or out of place on her. She was just eating too much I guess! She's ok!!!! thanks everyone!

AG & Ruffian

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8a. Re: COPROPHAGY
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

My dog ate poop before raw, and after being on raw for over a year, he
still eats poop. He eats his own poop, cat poop, and at day care he
eats his friend's poop. Raw doesn't seem to have changed that for him.
I wish it would have.
Erica

> >
> > Has anyone noticed if raw feeding effects changes in a dog with
> > coprophagy?
> >

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9a. Re: BIG argument with a &quot;holistic&quot; vet!
Posted by: "rokedemyah" rokedemyah@yahoo.com rokedemyah
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

My thoughts are :
1. their is no profit in it.
2. They became so educated by the sponsors (read that corporate
donors) of the Vet school they got tunnel vision with the degree?
Barb

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...>
wrote:
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> I found a holistic vet that encourages rawfeeding. She was wonderful
the one time we went. She doesn't even push vaccination. She said we
can sit down and discuss what we want and need. Why aren't there more
vets like that?

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10a. Re: New to this: how much to feed to start?
Posted by: "m.lesmana" m.lesmana@yahoo.com m.lesmana
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:49 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jenny" <jguttormson@...> wrote:
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> I am new to raw feeding and want to get my 7 yr old bassett hound
> started on it. He's 67 lbs, not overweight, and is active for a
> bassett hound. I read that a good baseline is to feed them 2-3% of body
> weight daily. That comes out to about 1.6lbs a day. To all of you
> experts out there, does this sound like a good place to start?
>

Just a bit of a warning, don't change the amount to drastically from
the food he had before. I just switched my dog to raw a couple of
weeks ago. She used to eat kibbles twice a day. I made a quick switch
and fed her once a day (in the evening). She loved it but her stomach
got a bit inflamed and she vomited yellow bile in the morning because
she had empty stomach.

After one day of fasting, I gave her food twice a day and over the
next few days make the morning one smaller and smaller until she eats
once a day now.

Good luck!

Mary

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11a. Re: How do you feed a sick dog?
Posted by: "liza2otis1" jajeh4bts@charter.net liza2otis1
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:50 pm ((PDT))

If your dog is ill and has been so for a while, it would seem that
his stomach may need a rest. Make very sure he does not become
dehydrated, you might try some Pedialyte and if this is unpalatable
alone mix it in some chicken broth, preferable unsalted. Every time
your dog vomits or has diarrhea he looses valuable electrolytes which
will be more harmful to your dog than not eating for a day or two.
I'm sorry I missed the post about what was found to be the issue at
the vet. Any pertinent labs that came back???? If you dog has
elevated liver enzymes,pancreatic enzymes or evidence of renal
disease, nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea can be due to
that and the only fix is to deal with the disease/illness. I won't
even attempt to advise you about how to deal with that. Probably a
discussion with your vet is your best bet there.
I wish your dogs well and hope they are on the mend pronto.

Hugs,
Liza

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marion" <mbldesigns@...> wrote:
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> OK, thank you. So just wait on them to start eating again? Even if
> it takes 2-3 days??? Bernie is so old it scares me to not see him
> eating and he's weak and can't jump the 8inches on the back porch
> like he was doing on the rawfeed after not being able to for the
past
> 2 years.
>
> The vet said Bernie is definitely not a well dog by no means, but
> there just is no need to put him through tons of tests and I agree.
> This med has worked in the past, possible giardia or bacterial
> infection, but I've soaked his kibble in water before to get him to
> eat, but we're never doing kibble again so I didn't know what to
feed
> him that he would want to eat
>
> Where do I find slippery elm bark?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Marion
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@> wrote:
> >
> > Part of the problem may be that you have tried everything...raw,
> cooked,
> > pureed, rice, oatmeal, pumpkin, etc.
> >
> > If you are certain there are no serious medical issues, I'd fast
> them, maybe
> > use some slippery elm bark to sooth their intestines and start
all
> over with
> > some nice easy to digest chicken breasts...raw of course...until
> they are
> > eating and digesting well.
> >
> > Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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12. amalyse(sp?)-irritated pancreas
Posted by: "beckie716" beckie716@yahoo.com beckie716
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:12 pm ((PDT))

I just got back from the vet. He ran a blood panel on her. he says
normal pancreas levels are up to 1010. and hers is 1012.
Diagnosis-feed only "dog food". Should I be concerned?

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13. update to:please help, my dog is constipated
Posted by: "beckie716" beckie716@yahoo.com beckie716
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:13 pm ((PDT))

Sorry I didn't answer any replies. I got scared and called the vet.

I lied and to them that she "accidentally" ate some bone (he is
pushing me to feed science diet. It's way better that even IAMAS, he
says). So I learned how to give an enema to my dog. however, I didn't
see her move her bowels, and she stopped eating. I took her to the vet
and he took x-rays. There is NO obstruction. No more constipation.
Good news. At least I know that she can digest bone properly.

Thank You,
Beckie :)

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14a. collies and shedding
Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:16 pm ((PDT))

Hi Howard,

Unfortunately not, at least with my pack. I brush them twice/week and
use a wide-tooth metal comb after brushing. They get a bath about
every 3 months. It doesn't matter, there's dog hair everywhere and I
vacuum every day.

I believe this is off topic for this list, if you have any other
question, feel free to contact me via my email.

Candace and the 4 Collies

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...>
wrote:
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> Dear Candace,
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> Does raw fed diet help with extra shedding of collies?
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> Sincerely,,
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> Howard
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15a. Re: Collie
Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi Norman,

I have 4 Collies, and I've seen no difference in shedding since
switching to raw. I use salmon oil as a supplement, but I don't see
any less shedding.

My oldest dog is a Scotch Collie. I'd love to trade pictures. You
can send one to my email if you like.

Candace and the 4 Collies

> Recently since switching there has been a drastic increase in
shedding. WE have read other
> posts for shedding problems. Is there any specific raw food that is
good for shedding
> problems, or supplement relevant to Collie shedding?
>
> Thanks, Norman
> sovereign1@...
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16. [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:19 pm ((PDT))

You know you've crossed over to the dark side (raw) when you see a
dead deer carcass on the side of the road with buzzards pecking at it
and think "Man wish I had a butchers knife"

LOL -

You can't really do that can you? Pick up a dead animal off the road
take it home clean it off and feed it to your dogs could you...I mean
if you saw the deer get hit and knew that it was dead, possible???

Just curious?

--
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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17. Feeding wild game
Posted by: "jenstalter" jstalter2ksndj@aol.com jenstalter
Date: Fri Sep 7, 2007 10:20 pm ((PDT))

Hey everyone.
I have the opportunity to receive wild game from a co-worker who traps
during the season. (beaver, mink, fisher, etc...)
My hesitation comes from the fear of rabies, and distemper.
Has anyone fed wild game and/or is the risk just to high.

Jennifer, Rohan, Bella, Jack, Emmi, Moco, & Archimedes

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