[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12017

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Help!
From: czab_ca
1.2. Re: Help!
From: costrowski75
1.3. Re: Help!
From: Yasuko herron
1.4. Re: Help!
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: Situation
From: Yasuko herron

3a. Large dog with diarrhea for a few days....
From: pitty_pat1
3b. Re: Large dog with diarrhea for a few days....
From: Sandee Lee
3c. Re: Large dog with diarrhea for a few days....
From: Yasuko herron

4. [OT] File under - what will they think of next?
From: Bearhair

5a. Veal Raw Meaty Bones
From: * shadygrove
5b. Re: Veal Raw Meaty Bones
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: Veal Raw Meaty Bones
From: Morledzep@aol.com

6a. Time for a new vet
From: Ivette Casiano
6b. Re: Time for a new vet
From: Sandee Lee
6c. Time for a new vet
From: joan spencer

7. my dog is not eating...
From: deep_ocean_of_sorrow

8. fish body oil
From: Yasuko herron

9. Salmon oil questions
From: pigasus718

10a. Re: fatty ribs. . .
From: pigasus718

11a. Re: Rookie Questions
From: linoleum5017

12a. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
From: linoleum5017

13. are hearts good meat?
From: quiltingtuppy

14. Re: puppy throws up and soft stools
From: Jocelyn Groner

15a. Re: [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
From: linoleum5017

16a. Re: raw feeding for 2 years, suddenly very sick * update-looks like
From: Trish

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1.1. Help!
Posted by: "czab_ca" czab_ca@yahoo.com czab_ca
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 6:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

I just joined the list to start feeding my dog raw food. I have a 30
lb. Shiba Inu, and for the last 2 weeks, I've been mixing either
chicken or beef with his kibble food. I'm going to start feeding him
just raw this week, but I don't know how much to feed him each day.
Also, does he need to eat bones everyday?

Thanks for your help.

Chrystine

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1.2. Re: Help!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 7:50 pm ((PDT))

"czab_ca" <czab_ca@...> wrote:
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> I just joined the list to start feeding my dog raw food.
*****
And such a good decision that was! Welcome.

I have a 30
> lb. Shiba Inu, and for the last 2 weeks, I've been mixing either
> chicken or beef with his kibble food. I'm going to start feeding him
> just raw this week,
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Yes! Job one is to ditch the kibble. Don't feed through it, don't
wean him off it, just ditch the stuff. Donate it to a shelter that
needs all the support it can get.

but I don't know how much to feed him each day.
*****
You need to do some archive browsing. With luck, Giselle will send you
a message with message links to die for, which will make your reading
ever so much easier. But even if she does not, please browse the list
archives, joining Yahoogroups to do so. It's easy, it's fun.

It would not be inappropriate to feed him somewhere around 2% or 3% of
his ideal adult weight. That's a good enough starting range but your
dog is the final answer, so stay attuned to his energy level, shape,
attitude and general health, and adjust however you need to keep him
looking spiffy.

> Also, does he need to eat bones everyday?
*****
Nope. Some dogs "do better" with some bone in the daily diet, some
dogs do better with bones fed fairly infrequently. From a nutrition
perspective, your dog needs a remarkably small amount of edible bone--
10%-15%. So how much you feed every day is not a nutrition issue but,
poerhaps, a digestion issue. And how much your boy should get when is
really a decision that you and he have to make together.

Some people recommend starting off feeding pretty large daily doses of
bone, mostly to prevent the dog from producing the loose stools that
many beginning raw feeders are unprepared to deal with. (Not their
fault: the dogfood industry certainly drums it into us that stools--in
order to be healthy--must be firm and dense and above all uniform.)

If you would feel more comfortable feeding daily bone, you certainly
may although it's just as possible for a dog to get constipated
from "too much" bone as it is for it to produce loose stools from "too
little" bone. It's a give and take, push and pull, up and down, in and
out, yin and yang sort of equilibrium you will finally achieve when you
and your dog figure out how much bone is "good".

But you will, really.
Chris O

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1.3. Re: Help!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 8:05 pm ((PDT))

> I have a 30lb. Shiba Inu, and for the last 2 weeks,

Hi! Welcome to list. You have Japanese dog:-P That is great! Did you know "Inu" means dog?

> I've been mixing either chicken or beef with his kibble food.

Anyway, so,past 2 weeks,you been feeding chicken+kibble or Beef+kibble?? Meat is raw?
Did you know that dog digestive system works differently to kibble and meat?
So,mixing up meat with kibble in one sitting is not good idea.

why not start from just one protin source without kibble? You can start from Beef if you want.You can start from chicken.Stick to one source for a week or so or till dog digestive system works fine;until you see no poo prob.Most people start from chicken,but in the past,I read someone started from Lamb.It is up to you.

> I'm going to start feeding him just raw this week,

oh,ok.That is better.

>I don't know how much to feed him each day.

2-3% of ideal weight and meal consists of 80% meat,10% bone,10% organ.But % is going to be adjusted depending on if you have less activedog or highly active dog etc..but it is just starting point.

Basically 90% meat (this means,mostly meat with little bone in the meal),and organ 10%.

>Also, does he need to eat bones everyday?

I think that dog needs bone somwhere because it is good calcium source and it helps firm up the poo,but too much bone is not good. Cause of constipation.Diet rely more on meat than bone. if the meat had bit of bone,it is good to go.

yassy

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1.4. Re: Help!
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 8:50 pm ((PDT))

Chrystine

I just joined the list to start feeding my dog raw food. I have a 30
lb. Shiba Inu,

***HI.. welcome.. i love Japanese dogs, but my favorite is akita. But i
certainly wouldn't walk away from a shiba if it needed me..

and for the last 2 weeks, I've been mixing either
chicken or beef with his kibble food. I'm going to start feeding him
just raw this week.


***Mixing raw and kibble is a recipe for digestive upset. Going ahead with
all raw sooner rather than later is a GOOD thing.

, but I don't know how much to feed him each day. Also, does he need to eat
bones everyday?

***you want to figure out what 2 - 3% of his ideal adult weight is.. i think
30 lbs is about average.. if not on the high side for a shiba, but as i've
never lived with one i'm not sure.

bones do NOT need to be fed every day.. neither do organs. the entire
overall diet should consist of 10% EDIBLE bones, and 10% organs and 80% everything
else.. but don't get hung up on percentages..

think of it this way, MEAT, fat, meat, skin and such, delivered either on a
bone or off, and some organs once in awhile.. it's really very simple once you
get the hang of it.

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: Situation
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 6:17 pm ((PDT))

>Ok, Bengal has been eating chicken fine this till week, he wont touch
>it. He just will not touch anything raw since he got hurt on Wednesday at
>the dog park. We had an ER visit and were up all night with him
>screaming in pain and uncomfortable, so of course he did not eat and
>he did not eat on thursday (or at least much) since we had a regular
>vet visit and more morphine.

Hi. Look at http://www.dogaware.com/misc.html and it says if you see any of the change o f appetite,talk to your vet.

When I read your post,I thought,maybe dog not feeling well,so,not eating. Like nausea or some sort. Your dog act fine??

You maybe can consult with your vet and ask what is going on for your dog loosing appetite after prescribed Morphine. The vet may help you better.

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3a. Large dog with diarrhea for a few days....
Posted by: "pitty_pat1" pitty.pat1@gmail.com pitty_pat1
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 6:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi....I'm pretty new to the group, I've never posted before, but I
have a problem and I hope you all can help.

I have a 95 lbs. Lab/Retriever/Husky/Collie mix. He's always had a
bit of a sensitive digestive tract. We tried for 5 years to find a
food that would work for him, we never really did, until we discovered
raw feeding. It made so much sense we decided to give it a try.
Since we've been feeding him raw, he's not had diarrhea nearly as
much. Every now and then he'd have a problem, but if we fasted him
and/or gave him some yogurt, it would usually clear up in a day or so.

The problem is that he has had diarrhea for probably 6 days now.
There was one day....2 days ago....that he did have some solid stool,
but it was immediately followed by liquid. I cut out meat three days
ago to try to give his system a break, and for two days he got yogurt,
an apple, and a raw egg. The day after I did that was the day we had
the partially solid bowel movement. But we were gone most of the day
today, and came home to a liquid mess by the door. I don't know what
else to do. I will take him to the vet if I have to, my only
reservation is that my vet will give me a hard time about the raw
diet. They are convinced and determined to convince me that I'm a
horrible pet parent. My goal is to find a vet that is at least
tolerant of it, if not supportive, but we are moving out of state in 2
weeks, so I'm going to look for one there. In the mean time, I'm
stuck with one who I know will give me a hard time. The reason I
haven't taken him to the vet is because:
a. he's not vomiting
b. there's no blood or worms in the stool
c. his appetite is fine
d. his behavior is completely normal....not at all lethargic or
unhappy
My current plan is to fast him for 2 days. No meat, no yogurt, no
apples.....nothing....just water. I feel so mean doing that, but I
can't imagine how uncomfortable he is having had diarrhea so long.

As for what could have triggered it, I only have 2 ideas, neither of
which seem to be likely, but I want to make sure you have as much
information as possible. The first thing is that he seems to all of a
sudden....in the past week or two have fleas. We don't keep him on
flea preventative all the time. I will use it if the need arises, but
I don't like putting chemicals on him if it isn't necessary. He's not
infested, we've looked and only actually found one, but he seems very
itchy. I did put a natural flea treatment on him that had cinnamon
oil in it among other things. It seemed to work last time when we
found a couple of ticks, but it may not be as effective on fleas.
Could a few fleas cause a week of diarrhea?? The only other thing we
could come up with is that he will "hoover" cat food crumbs. He
doesn't get into their bowl, but if he's sitting near where they eat,
he cleans up the crumbs. Could that small of an amount of cat food
upset his system that much??

OK...if you got through all of that, THANK YOU! I know it was a book.
Can anyone help me and poor Reilly? Thank you in advance for any
help you can offer!

Laura

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3b. Re: Large dog with diarrhea for a few days....
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 7:33 pm ((PDT))

Laura,

Maybe it would help if you tell us exactly what are you feeding as part of
your raw diet. You said you cut out meat...what else are you feeding?

Yogurt, apple and raw egg would increase diarrhea.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "pitty_pat1" <pitty.pat1@gmail.com>

The problem is that he has had diarrhea for probably 6 days now.
There was one day....2 days ago....that he did have some solid stool,
but it was immediately followed by liquid. I cut out meat three days
ago to try to give his system a break, and for two days he got yogurt,
an apple, and a raw egg. The day after I did that was the day we had
the partially solid bowel movement. But we were gone most of the day
today, and came home to a liquid mess by the door. I don't know what
else to do.

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3c. Re: Large dog with diarrhea for a few days....
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 7:54 pm ((PDT))

>I have a 95 lbs. Lab/Retriever/Husky/Collie mix. Every now and then he'd have a problem, >but if we fasted him and/or gave him some yogurt, it would usually clear up in a day or so.

Hi,Laura.You may want to look at getting Slippery Elm@powder or probiotic to help diarrhea prob rather than feeding yogurt because it isdairy and too much dairy worsen the prob sometimes.

But,when you say diarrhea,is it watery uncontrollable? Or just loose? If it were loosepoo,you can add more bone,and it should help to firm up the poo.

And,too much food at one sitting,too much fat in the meal,too much new things in meal or too new thing too soon are typical cause of diarrhea. Any cause you could think of??

Raw feeding is not racing competition so,you feed your dog with baby step attitude,and go slow,be patient to add new thing.And always make sure you add only 1 new thing at a time to make your detective work easy( that way,easy to find cause of prob,and easy to tweak).

> and for two days he got yogurt,an apple, and a raw egg.

Ok,here I see some prob. But first,how long are you feeding raw?

If you were relatively new and already adding raw Egg,it could worsen the poo prob.Pull it out for now. and again,Yogurt;Dairy,maybe cause of prob too.Apple;dog cannot digest very well,so,pull it out.

Now you may ask what should I feed then?

I say,go back to basic. Feed chicken (if your dog did well on it) after fasting,and wait till digestive prob back to normal.

Don't feed Egg till the dogs digestive system gets better and be sure dog can handle it well,because raw Egg,raw liver can cause loose stool.

And,if you feed chicken as is,and still had prob,try get fat skin off and see how the dog does and if he did ok,then,leave the skin more on gradually,and move on to wahtever you wanted to add next.

>No meat,

Why??

>just water.

Well.. when dog having diarrhea,it is very important to provide water to avoid dehydration,but after some fasting day,still no meat being fed?

I am not sure about dog eating cat food...though.

Those are my thoughts.Hope it helps.

yassy

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4. [OT] File under - what will they think of next?
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

An electronic meat smeller:

>http://www.popgadget.net/2007/08/electronic_meat.php

I think the color coded results are backwards . . . why does
fresh=green and bad=red, when it's smelling MEAT? <grin>

Lora
Evanston

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5a. Veal Raw Meaty Bones
Posted by: "* shadygrove" shadygrove101@yahoo.com shadygrove101
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

Hello all,

I found a new butcher today.

They had meaty veal bones at a good price, and I wondered if these are good to feed.

I'm not sure which bone they are, but they are sliced.

My dog is not a gulper, and chewed up the one I gave him quite nicely.

Is this too heavy duty a bone to feed?

Thanks for your input,
Karen

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5b. Re: Veal Raw Meaty Bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 7:19 pm ((PDT))

* shadygrove <shadygrove101@...> wrote:>
> They had meaty veal bones at a good price, and I wondered if these
are good to feed.
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Easy enough to eat, most likely not enough meat.

> I'm not sure which bone they are, but they are sliced.
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Probably neck, maybe shoulder. You don't say what size dog you have
but gulper or not gulper (there's nothing illegal, immoral or fattening
about gulping btw), these sliced bones are probably too small unless
your dog is a pretty small.

> Is this too heavy duty a bone to feed?
*****
No. Veal bones are sort of the bovine equivalent of factory chicken.
The bones are young and quite soft.
Chris O

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5c. Re: Veal Raw Meaty Bones
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 8:43 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/8/2007 5:18:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
shadygrove101@yahoo.com writes:

They had meaty veal bones at a good price, and I wondered if these are good
to feed.

I'm not sure which bone they are, but they are sliced.

Karen,

gonna have to be more specific than that.. but by and large, beef bones, even
veal bones are too dense for most dogs.. a bone is not meaty unless you can't
see the bone under the meat..

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6a. Time for a new vet
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 6:59 pm ((PDT))

<<..So I guess I will start looking around and interviewing for a new vet for my animals...>>

Try here http://www.holisticvetlist.com/

I found a good one.

Ivette Casiano
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6b. Re: Time for a new vet
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 7:19 pm ((PDT))

Donna,

Vets are not nutritionists. Don't assume that a "holistic" vet will be any
more informed....most aren't! If you have a vet you are comfortable with in
dealing with emergencies or any need for tests, etc., stick with them. Diet
does not need to be part of that equation!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Donna" <donnad2998@yahoo.com>

I decide to
ask the vet about RAW feeding and I just wanted to laugh at her as
she was telling me that the dogs could get all these bad things from
uncooked meat. I wanted so bad to say do wolves get that too? She
said the stomach of a dog is almost like a human and can't handle
uncooked meat and eggs. She said that she would not feed her dogs
that and then said that she would agree on a homemade diet as long
as it was fully cooked.

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6c. Time for a new vet
Posted by: "joan spencer" nachoburrito@yahoo.com nachoburrito
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 7:24 pm ((PDT))

I used to try a little raw feeding promotion when people would comment on the large quantities of strange items in my grocery cart. But I got so tired of being harangued about it, particularly when people would begin, " But my veterinarian....". I began wanting to shout: "YOUR VET IS A BRAINWASHED IDIOT!

Now I just reply "It's for my dogs", and don't utter the word "raw" unless the questioner wants to discuss it positively (which is very rare).

I admire Tom Lonsdale. He takes so much abuse, yet remains so dedicated. He is a true hero. And the moderators of this list deserve more thanks than I could possibly give them for their patience and dedication.

Thank you list, Joan

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7. my dog is not eating...
Posted by: "deep_ocean_of_sorrow" deep_ocean_of_sorrow@yahoo.com deep_ocean_of_sorrow
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 8:19 pm ((PDT))

its happened for about 2 or more weeks. he does eat, just little tiny
bites for each breakfast/dinner he has. or maybe just half of what he
used to eat.

i thought of fasting him for a day, but my mom is too worried about him
and has a pity-bonanza and goes stupid when i say " don't give him food
for a day".

i didn't feed my dog in the morning today, and at noon, my mom realized
i didn't and started to HAND feed him (and i told her NOT to several
times.)

she keeps complaining that he won't eat and kind of "threatens" to
change back to kibble.

my mom hand feeds lakkun(my dog) and says he won't eat it otherwise.
(which is stupid, i know.)

right now we feed him goat, turkey drumsticks, chicken drumsticks, beef
ribs(sliced), a bit of pork (we kind of ran out.), and we have some beef
liver that he would rarely eat when given. (for liver, i need to mix it
up with meat and pour some milk, even though i know that dogs are
lactose intolerant...he likes milk.)X_X

right now, he's completely healthy. he runs, he plays, his nose is wet,
his poop is.. on the soft side, i suppose. needs some firming up to do.
but not to the point where it is diarrhea.

do we need more variety? is it cause he's bored of the food? SHOULD we
change back to kibble?(i really really really really do NOT want to.) is
he just not hungry?

please help!

Kate

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8. fish body oil
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi. I had a chance to go to Wallmart,and so,I was curious about Fish oil and went to check that out.

Chris O told list before that it washard to find Fish oil because many was combo with Omega6 or 9 or something. So,I was curious.

I live in VA,and it may depends on location but mine did not have combo in shelf. Omega 3 fish body oil capsules but I found almost all bottle (I did not pick up all of the bottles there but) with soy in it.

Price-wise,quite reasonable but I do not think i find something i would like to get there.

Mine that I got through net has no soy in it,so, I think I buy online again.maybe 6 months or more later?? I bought 400 capsule one so,it last quite long....

Just an info

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9. Salmon oil questions
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:40 pm ((PDT))

Does anyone have any special tricks to get their dogs to eat this?
I got some Timberwolf salmon oil and put it on their beef and they
wouldn't touch it. Tried for several feedings. Tonight, out of
desperation, I mixed the oil in about 1/4 cup of ground chuck and they
just ate it up. I haven't fed ground meat before and seems like most
are against it since it is not prey model appropriate.
Is it okay to do this just to get them to take the oil, or does anyone
have other suggestions?
Also, is it okay to measure out their dose and let it come to room temp
before feeding? Mine hate anything even remotely cool and since it has
to be refrigerated that's been a drawback also.

TIA,
Robyn

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10a. Re: fatty ribs. . .
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:40 pm ((PDT))

I've been feeding beef ribs this week also. They too seem kind of
fatty, but I've just been throwing in some leaner cuts of beef with the
ribs and so far no problems.

Robyn

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11a. Re: Rookie Questions
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:41 pm ((PDT))

Wow, Krystal, you have in your pocket what the rest of us dream of!
Got any pigs with fat, to boot? That would make a better balance.

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "krystal_brr" <rkbarr@...> wrote:
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>> If I feed mostly venison, since we have that in abundance, will I
need
> to add some kind of fat to the diet, since venison is so lean?
>
> Are wild game birds close enough to chicken? The wild bird bones
seem
> alot harder. Are they OK to start with?
>
> I have Rhodesian Ridgebacks (2).

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12a. Re: Rabbit.... is it just me??
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:41 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> No. You don't HAVE to dress them for any dog, if the dog is willing.
> Chris O
>
I always wondered why we call it 'dressing,' when in fact, we
are 'undressing.' Any clue?

Lynne

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13. are hearts good meat?
Posted by: "quiltingtuppy" mamacass@iprimus.com.au quiltingtuppy
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:42 pm ((PDT))

Hi All,

One month now feeding our puppy all raw and he's doing great, never looked back on the
patties so thanks for all the writers on this list I've learned so much! Especially thanks to Bill
for his notes on how to start, we never had a problem with getting Charlie used to raw with
those guidelines.

I can get beef hearts quite cheaply, I've heard they have taurine in them and that they're a
muscle - are they as good a meaty meat as other cuts of meaty meat because if so I'll make
that an affordable larger chunk of his meaty intake?

Thanks
Stephanie

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14. Re: puppy throws up and soft stools
Posted by: "Jocelyn Groner" jocelyn7777@hotmail.com croint7777
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:45 pm ((PDT))

IME, one of my dogs had this same issue the first month or so on raw. I discovered that she just needed more bone than my other 2 dogs. When she has meat only meals, we usually wind up with yellow bile vomit sometime the next day before her next feeding (we only feed 1x/day at night)... So example, if I feed a meat only meal of brisket the night before at 7:30pm, then usually by 3-5 the next day... there is that wonderful yellow bile vomit. I think she just has a faster digestive tract than my other two dogs (and definitely a faster metabolism). When I add a little bone in with her meal, no problems. So she always gets bone, unless I'm just totally out of anything else.

She also had soft stool on meat only meals. My other 2 do just fine on meat only, but she has soft stool... and requires the butt check to make sure she is clean enough to come in the house.

So, I'd try to experiment a little on the amount of bone in the meals you are giving.

I can give my other 2 dogs bone in chicken breasts without any problems, but without fail... it will give her stoft stool. I try to stick to things like whole chickens cut into pieces for her. It was trial and error. She is fine with meaty pork neck bones, pork sholders, ribs, etc. But when I give things with lots of meat or a meat only meal to my other 2, I've got to find some bone to give her. I keep things like neck bones here for that reason. I also let her gnaw on emu bones, etc. with meaty meals.

Every dog is different, and don't I know it. It took one forever to get the hang of eating organs. It was a battle every time, but now, he stands on his back legs to get them.

I know how the whole husband being against it goes... mine will grudgingly give them chicken if I'm running late, but won't touch anything else. He makes me be the one responsible for all their feeding now.

Good luck.

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15a. Re: [Raw Feeding] Come to the dark side
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:45 pm ((PDT))

Actually, some states will pay you to do so! Would wolves pick at
carcasses? Probably.

Following the 'darkside line,' picking up roadkill may lead to
roadkilling (near to road rage?) so perhaps rawfeeders shouldn't begin
the slippery slope????

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
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> You know you've crossed over to the dark side (raw) when you see a
> dead deer carcass on the side of the road with buzzards pecking at it
> and think "Man wish I had a butchers knife"
>
> LOL -
>
> You can't really do that can you? Pick up a dead animal off the road
> take it home clean it off and feed it to your dogs could you...I mean
> if you saw the deer get hit and knew that it was dead, possible???
>

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16a. Re: raw feeding for 2 years, suddenly very sick * update-looks like
Posted by: "Trish" trishwelham@hotmail.com trishwelham
Date: Sat Sep 8, 2007 10:45 pm ((PDT))

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The vet is keeping Molly until Tue. Nothing on xray. Initial blood
work makes him think pancreatitis. Results to follow. If anyone has
any experience with this issue we would greatly appreciate it. Of
course the first response from friends and family is "is it the raw
food?" Not helpful. Very sad here in our home.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Trish" <trishwelham@...> wrote:
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> Hi Giselle, thank you so much for the suggestions. After I posted the
> message I tried to take Molly out to drink and she collapsed. She got
> up to come inside and collapsed again. I called my husband to come
> home and he took her to the vet about an hour ago...still waiting to
> hear back.
>
> I think the way she's acting today may be severe dehydration, man was
> it scary though, I was so upset.
>
> We don't usually feed frozen, but have done so before.
>
> She mostly eats whole chickens with occasional beef and pork.
>
> She definitely could have eaten something else in the yard, there was
> grass in her vomit or perhaps bitten by something, we've had
> neighbors' dogs bitten by rattlers.
>
> The chicken is Foster Farms, the label says no additives or
preservatives.
>
> She hasn't eaten, but when I got her inside she drank 2 bowls of water
> before going to the vet.
>
> I will definitely look into the SEB, thank you again so much for the
> suggestions and I will post back when we know more. - Trish
>
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Trish!
> > It could be unrelated to her last meal.
> >
> > But,
> >
> > Do you usually feed frozen?
> >
> > Do you often feed chicken?
> >
> > Is eating a whole chicken unusual for her?
> >
> > Could she have eaten something on her own out in the yard, or been
> > given something to eat by someone else?
> >
> >
>

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