[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12029

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Newbie
From: Sandee Lee
1.2. Re: Newbie
From: great_dane_devotee
1.3. Re: Newbie
From: great_dane_devotee
1.4. Re: Newbie
From: cmhausrath
1.5. Re: Newbie
From: Morledzep@aol.com
1.6. Re: Newbie
From: Sandee Lee
1.7. Re: Newbie
From: great_dane_devotee
1.8. Re: Newbie
From: great_dane_devotee
1.9. Re: Newbie
From: great_dane_devotee

2a. Tomorrow is one month.....
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)

3a. Re: Different coloured liver and kidneys (for eating, not the dogs
From: k9dine

4a. Grinder
From: geraldinebutterfield
4b. Re: Grinder
From: lizwehrli

5a. giving up!!
From: john
5b. Re: giving up!!
From: Morledzep@aol.com
5c. Re: giving up!!
From: Laura Atkinson
5d. Re: giving up!!
From: cmhausrath
5e. Re: giving up!!
From: great_dane_devotee
5f. Re: giving up!!
From: ANTHONT RODRIGUEZ
5g. Re: giving up!!
From: Karen Swanay
5h. Re: giving up!!
From: katkellm
5i. Re: giving up!!
From: Laurie Swanson

6a. Re: Great article
From: johkemp

7a. Grass Eating
From: Roxane

8. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will sho
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

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1.1. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi Libby,

Once you find a few sources for your food, it becomes pretty simple. Watch
for sales on chickens, turkeys and pork...buy in cases. Being in the middle
of nowhere, I get most of my food from the local markets but I do have a
wholesaler for items like whole hearts, liver and beef cheeks.

If you live in an area that has ethnic markets available, they are generally
a good source. Also hunters, fishermen and taxidermists.

You can feed any beef you don't use for yourself....organs, tripe, tail,
head, etc. The bones are definitely hard, most are inedible and tooth
breakers. You can feed meaty portions and remove the bone once they are
finished.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "great_dane_devotee" <libpowers@mac.com>

I live on 7 acres and raise my own steer for my family's food, but when I
fed a different
dog raw meaty beef bones, she broke a tooth, so I have concluded that beef
is out.

How do you do this and not have it cost so much? And finlly, where do you
get a variety if
meat?

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1.2. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:55 pm ((PDT))

How/where do I post a cute picture of my beasts?

Libby
-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Daisy Foxworth" <daisyfoxworth@...> wrote:
>
> The problem I've experienced is that raw feeding takes so much time.
> >
>
> Hi Libby, sounds like you were needlessly complicating your life.
> Take a look here, LOL:
>
> http://www.rawfeddogs.net/Recipes
>
> Daisy
>

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1.3. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:57 pm ((PDT))

Thanks, Sandee,

I really appreciate your thoughts. How much do you feed per pound of dog. Also all (or
most) of the pics are of dogs happily chewing away on grass. My Great Dane thinks she's
allergic to rain and I live in Western Washington where it rains for nine months of the year.
Any suggestons on that?

Libby

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Libby,
>
> Once you find a few sources for your food, it becomes pretty simple. Watch
> for sales on chickens, turkeys and pork...buy in cases. Being in the middle
> of nowhere, I get most of my food from the local markets but I do have a
> wholesaler for items like whole hearts, liver and beef cheeks.
>
> If you live in an area that has ethnic markets available, they are generally
> a good source. Also hunters, fishermen and taxidermists.
>
> You can feed any beef you don't use for yourself....organs, tripe, tail,
> head, etc. The bones are definitely hard, most are inedible and tooth
> breakers. You can feed meaty portions and remove the bone once they are
> finished.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "great_dane_devotee" <libpowers@...>
>
>
> I live on 7 acres and raise my own steer for my family's food, but when I
> fed a different
> dog raw meaty beef bones, she broke a tooth, so I have concluded that beef
> is out.
>
> How do you do this and not have it cost so much? And finlly, where do you
> get a variety if
> meat?
>

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1.4. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:05 pm ((PDT))

"great_dane_devotee" <libpowers@...> wrote:

> The problem I've experienced is that raw feeding takes so much
time.

I have not found that raw feeding takes any particular time, once you
get used to it. I suspect that the particular diet you were trying
to feed is rather more time-intensive than prey-model raw feeding as
discussed on this list. I don't tend to have a lot of extra time
myself -- I just finished 3 years of law school & am now clerking for
a judge -- so believe me, I'm not interested in wasting a lot of time
on food "preparation." Fortunately there's not much to do with real
raw feeding!

I buy my dog's food primarily from the same grocery store where I buy
my food. I spend maybe -- MAYBE -- an extra 5 minutes in the store
poring over the meat counter or talking to the meat guy. I usually
shop once a week for myself and the dog, at the local Food Lion that
has the best meat dept. (I do scan the circulars as they come in
through the week, and if I need something additional for myself mid-
week, I make a quick run to whatever store has a good deal. Tonight
I'm running out for extra whole chickens at $.58 a pound, since I
need milk anyway.)

Once the groceries are bought, I throw extra stuff into the freezer
but keep most of it in a bin in the fridge. Throughout the week, I
pull stuff out, whack it up as needed, and throw it down on the dog's
towel for supper. Average daily prep / feeding time is less than a
minute. Under 15 minutes a week, even I can handle.

> And cost.

I average $1 a pound for "dog food." Whole chickens can be gotten on
sale for well under that; so can whole turkeys if you watch for them
to be marked down. Pork is reliably available for somewhere close to
$1 a pound, if you're vigilant. I find that I pay about $1.25 for
pork roasts, but it's balanced out by cheap chicken, so I don't worry
about it. I also get lots of beef heart, for $.89 a pound, which is
a staple around here. Those are my main items -- other stuff gets
added in as it goes on sale. I also stay stocked-up on fresh eggs
(good for quickie meals) and ground beef or turkey (since my stay-at-
home dog gets a frozen meat-stuffed Kong every morning).

For my 60ish# dog, who eats around 11# a week, I can definitely
afford $45 a month for an excellent diet. PLUS there are the health-
care costs to be factored in -- I haven't paid for veterinary care
(which used to be a regular thing) in a couple years. I attribute my
dog's excellent health primarily to raw feeding, so the math becomes
even more favorable.

> Does anyone do this who has
> figured out how to bring it into their life?

Believe me, I have a full life besides just feeding the dog (although
Griffin is a huge, tremendously significant portion of my life). If
you have the time to exercise, train, socialize, and provide basic
health care for your dogs, you have time to raw feed them too.

How can we help you get started?

-- sandy & griffin

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1.5. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:22 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/11/2007 2:58:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
libpowers@mac.com writes:

My Great Dane thinks she's
allergic to rain and I live in Western Washington where it rains for nine
months of the year.
Any suggestons on that?

Libby,

the only way i know to get dogs to go out in the rain is to go out and play
in the rain yourself and let them watch. my akitas have always been afraid of
the rain.. the baby brat we have now didn't used to be, but the last time it
rained she wouldn't leave the patio, so i had to go out and dance in the rain
to get her to join me.

It most certainly works with my wolfdogs.. we do the same thing with thunder
and fireworks.. when they act fearful of something we go out and play during
thunderstorms and rain storms and we have entire family picnics at fireworks
displays, including scaredy cat woofs.

It only takes a few times before they see that you aren't scared and they
shouldn't be so they will join you.

of course, this is training advise and is OT for rawfeeding..
Catherine R.

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1.6. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:24 pm ((PDT))

Hi Libby,

My male weighs 146 and he probably averages 2 1/2 to 3 lbs/day. When I
feed indoors, they each have their own spot on a blanket or towel.

Hey, being in Western Washington, there is a buying group you could take
advantage of. I'm on the opposite side of the State so it isn't feasible
for me, but they order lamb, emu, all kinds of great things! :)

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/WAzzuOR_BARF/?yguid=1277053

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "great_dane_devotee" <libpowers@mac.com>

I really appreciate your thoughts. How much do you feed per pound of dog.
Also all (or
most) of the pics are of dogs happily chewing away on grass. My Great Dane
thinks she's
allergic to rain and I live in Western Washington where it rains for nine
months of the year.
Any suggestons on that?

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1.7. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

Thanks, Sandy. I encountered one other problem when feeding raw, and still do from time
to time when I have offered them a chicken neck. They look at me as though I have two
heads! They seem to be saying, "You expect me to eat that?" If you gradually wean them
over to raw, does that amount to them just eating less and less each day and turning their
noses up at the raw stuff? Do you just wait until they get hungry enough?

THanks,

Libby

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cmhausrath" <cmhausrath@...> wrote:
>
> "great_dane_devotee" <libpowers@> wrote:
>
> > The problem I've experienced is that raw feeding takes so much
> time.
>
>
> I have not found that raw feeding takes any particular time, once you
> get used to it. I suspect that the particular diet you were trying
> to feed is rather more time-intensive than prey-model raw feeding as
> discussed on this list. I don't tend to have a lot of extra time
> myself -- I just finished 3 years of law school & am now clerking for
> a judge -- so believe me, I'm not interested in wasting a lot of time
> on food "preparation." Fortunately there's not much to do with real
> raw feeding!
>
> I buy my dog's food primarily from the same grocery store where I buy
> my food. I spend maybe -- MAYBE -- an extra 5 minutes in the store
> poring over the meat counter or talking to the meat guy. I usually
> shop once a week for myself and the dog, at the local Food Lion that
> has the best meat dept. (I do scan the circulars as they come in
> through the week, and if I need something additional for myself mid-
> week, I make a quick run to whatever store has a good deal. Tonight
> I'm running out for extra whole chickens at $.58 a pound, since I
> need milk anyway.)
>
> Once the groceries are bought, I throw extra stuff into the freezer
> but keep most of it in a bin in the fridge. Throughout the week, I
> pull stuff out, whack it up as needed, and throw it down on the dog's
> towel for supper. Average daily prep / feeding time is less than a
> minute. Under 15 minutes a week, even I can handle.
>
>
> > And cost.
>
>
> I average $1 a pound for "dog food." Whole chickens can be gotten on
> sale for well under that; so can whole turkeys if you watch for them
> to be marked down. Pork is reliably available for somewhere close to
> $1 a pound, if you're vigilant. I find that I pay about $1.25 for
> pork roasts, but it's balanced out by cheap chicken, so I don't worry
> about it. I also get lots of beef heart, for $.89 a pound, which is
> a staple around here. Those are my main items -- other stuff gets
> added in as it goes on sale. I also stay stocked-up on fresh eggs
> (good for quickie meals) and ground beef or turkey (since my stay-at-
> home dog gets a frozen meat-stuffed Kong every morning).
>
> For my 60ish# dog, who eats around 11# a week, I can definitely
> afford $45 a month for an excellent diet. PLUS there are the health-
> care costs to be factored in -- I haven't paid for veterinary care
> (which used to be a regular thing) in a couple years. I attribute my
> dog's excellent health primarily to raw feeding, so the math becomes
> even more favorable.
>
>
> > Does anyone do this who has
> > figured out how to bring it into their life?
>
>
> Believe me, I have a full life besides just feeding the dog (although
> Griffin is a huge, tremendously significant portion of my life). If
> you have the time to exercise, train, socialize, and provide basic
> health care for your dogs, you have time to raw feed them too.
>
> How can we help you get started?
>
> -- sandy & griffin
>

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1.8. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

Thanks, I'll look into that!

Libby

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Libby,
>
> My male weighs 146 and he probably averages 2 1/2 to 3 lbs/day. When I
> feed indoors, they each have their own spot on a blanket or towel.
>
> Hey, being in Western Washington, there is a buying group you could take
> advantage of. I'm on the opposite side of the State so it isn't feasible
> for me, but they order lamb, emu, all kinds of great things! :)
>
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/WAzzuOR_BARF/?yguid=1277053
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "great_dane_devotee" <libpowers@...>
>
> I really appreciate your thoughts. How much do you feed per pound of dog.
> Also all (or
> most) of the pics are of dogs happily chewing away on grass. My Great Dane
> thinks she's
> allergic to rain and I live in Western Washington where it rains for nine
> months of the year.
> Any suggestons on that?
>

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1.9. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

Thanks. Yes, we do already go out in the rain to some degree, but I was just wondering
about the dogs eating out in the yard. I have a covered front porch, I suppose I could just
put them out there with their food and see how it goes.

Libby

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 9/11/2007 2:58:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> libpowers@... writes:
>
> My Great Dane thinks she's
> allergic to rain and I live in Western Washington where it rains for nine
> months of the year.
> Any suggestons on that?
>
>
>
> Libby,
>
> the only way i know to get dogs to go out in the rain is to go out and play
> in the rain yourself and let them watch. my akitas have always been afraid of
> the rain.. the baby brat we have now didn't used to be, but the last time it
> rained she wouldn't leave the patio, so i had to go out and dance in the rain
> to get her to join me.
>
> It most certainly works with my wolfdogs.. we do the same thing with thunder
> and fireworks.. when they act fearful of something we go out and play during
> thunderstorms and rain storms and we have entire family picnics at fireworks
> displays, including scaredy cat woofs.
>
> It only takes a few times before they see that you aren't scared and they
> shouldn't be so they will join you.
>
> of course, this is training advise and is OT for rawfeeding..
> Catherine R.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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2a. Tomorrow is one month.....
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:45 pm ((PDT))

My dog frequently lets her food "age" for some time (days, sometimes). I
think this is mostly to let me know that she would prefer to eat
something else. She never wins this argument, but she's tenacious. Keeps
testing the waters. Eventually she always eats whatever it is.

Carolyn J. Garnaas

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3a. Re: Different coloured liver and kidneys (for eating, not the dogs
Posted by: "k9dine" k9dine@yahoo.com k9dine
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:01 pm ((PDT))

I don't know if this is a factor or not in this case, but some meat
is packaged with carbon monoxide which retains the red-red color of
the meat. Maybe the redder ones had more carbon monoxide and the
others didn't have it (through leakage from package or something
else?). Oxygen changes the color of the meat to the browner color
naturally, it is the red-red meat that is unnatural in those packaged
with the CO. If the dates are the same I would suspect this.

From www.beefretail.org:
"Many food products – including some meat products – are packaged
with a small amount of gas to maintain their fresh color and enhance
shelf life. From salad mixes to bottled water, modified atmosphere
packaging (MAP) technology has been used safely for years.

Red meat tends to change from a bright red color to brown or gray
after being exposed to oxygen. This is a natural change in color but
does not mean that the product isn't fresh or edible. The product is
still safe and wholesome despite this change in color. By adding
minute amounts of carbon monoxide at levels permitted by FDA and USDA
to red meat packages, products like ground beef can maintain their
natural appearance throughout their shelf life.

Nothing about carbon monoxide packaging changes the safety of beef or
the advice we provide consumers about safe handling and preparation
of their meat...."

Amanda

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4a. Grinder
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:01 pm ((PDT))

I know feeding whole, bone and all is the best way to feed. However,
because we travel so much I can't always give my Brandy the whole
piece to take her time with. I have to have some ground with bone to
feed at these times. I was using my Kitchen Aid for chicken wings+more
meat. Now that appliance isn't sounding so great so I'm looking for a
grinder that will do chicken bones well. There are a lot of messages
around grinding but no mention of what a good brand/model is. Can
anyone help? We are going to be taking of again so need to get one
soon.

Thanks- I love the RAW diet and Brandy loves it even more :-)

geraldine

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4b. Re: Grinder
Posted by: "lizwehrli" lizwehrli@yahoo.com lizwehrli
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:55 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "geraldinebutterfield"
<gbutterflied@...> wrote:
>
> There are a lot of messages
> around grinding but no mention of what a good brand/model is. Can
> anyone help? We are going to be taking of again so need to get one
> soon.
>
> Thanks- I love the RAW diet and Brandy loves it even more :-)
>
> geraldine

Hi Geraldine,

When I first ventured in to rawfeeding, I am ashamed to say I did
grind some chicken for my dog. That only lasted about 2 weeks. The
grinder I bought was off the Northerntool website. It works great.
We now use it for our own ground meats. Now we know what is in the
hamburger us humans eat.

Liz

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5a. giving up!!
Posted by: "john" luvthisphysique@yahoo.com luvthisphysique
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:24 pm ((PDT))

i am completely exhausted of my dog eating a little bit of his food,
or just him looknig at it!! it's like he does this every couple of
days and it's very frustating. i tried leaving his food for just 15
min, and well that didnt work! i did the whole not feeding him for a
couple of days, and the day after i feed him he went crazy!! but the
following couple of days it went back to the same thing... so i am
pretty much pist, exhausted, and well feel that i am going to give up.
anyone, anyone can you please help with this frustating manner??

Anthony Rodriguez
So Cal

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5b. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:32 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/11/2007 3:24:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
luvthisphysique@yahoo.com writes:

so i am
pretty much pist, exhausted, and well feel that i am going to give up.
anyone, anyone can you please help with this frustating manner??

Anthony,

no one on this list is going to give you permission to feed kibble because
raw feeding is inconvenient for you.

if you want help with a specific thing we need more info.. what are you
feeding? how big is the dog? how much are you feeding?

And what is wrong with the dog only wanting to eat every other day? lots of
dogs are self-regulators. As long as he doesn't become a stick figure i don't
see any reason why he can't eat less than once a day. My dog rarely eat more
often than every other day and not a single one of the 9 of them is suffering
for it. some are certifiably pudgy (the spoiled rotten collie most notably).

Catherine R.

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5c. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:41 pm ((PDT))

So, if he's only wanting to eat every couple of days...don't sweat it.
Offer him food when you want to (daily, every other day, whichever) and let
him eat when he's hungry. Don't get so emotionally invested in him
eating...it's not that big a deal as long as he eats...eventually.

On 9/11/07, john <luvthisphysique@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> i am completely exhausted of my dog eating a little bit of his food,
> or just him looknig at it!! it's like he does this every couple of
> days and it's very frustating. i tried leaving his food for just 15
> min, and well that didnt work! i did the whole not feeding him for a
> couple of days, and the day after i feed him he went crazy!! but the
> following couple of days it went back to the same thing... so i am
> pretty much pist, exhausted, and well feel that i am going to give up.
> anyone, anyone can you please help with this frustating manner??
>
> Anthony Rodriguez
> So Cal

--
Laura A
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Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
Bertrand Russell

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5d. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:47 pm ((PDT))

"john" <luvthisphysique@...> wrote:

> i am completely exhausted of my dog eating a little bit of his food,
> or just him looknig at it!! it's like he does this every couple of
> days and it's very frustating.

Is your dog in good health?
Is your dog maintaining a decent weight?

If both of these are yeses, then I implore you to STOP making your
dog's issue your issue. Whatever he chooses to eat or not eat, why get
stressed about it??

A personal digression, to make my point: I once had a very frustrating
job, where no one else seemed to be doing THEIR jobs, so I had more
work. During the time that I had to continue working there, I forced
myself to develop very clear guidelines about what was my job and what
WASN'T. I now have a mental shorthand -- "NMJ" reminds me that
something is not my job and is not worth getting my panties in a knot
about.

IMO, providing the dog with a healthy, varied raw diet is YOUR job.
Eating said diet is your DOG's job.
If you're doing your job, then his job is his business.

If the answers to those questions are NOT yes, then we do need more
information to be able to help.

-- sandy & griffin (both doin' our own jobs)

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5e. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

Wow, that was a great response-- actually everyone basically said the same thing. I was a
little worried about that myself, because one of my dogs likes to keep herself pretty lean.
The other will eat pretty well. So this was a big concern. But you are saying that they
won't necessarily eat every day. Freedom!

Thanks!

Libby

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cmhausrath" <cmhausrath@...> wrote:
>
> "john" <luvthisphysique@> wrote:
>
> > i am completely exhausted of my dog eating a little bit of his food,
> > or just him looknig at it!! it's like he does this every couple of
> > days and it's very frustating.
>
>
> Is your dog in good health?
> Is your dog maintaining a decent weight?
>
> If both of these are yeses, then I implore you to STOP making your
> dog's issue your issue. Whatever he chooses to eat or not eat, why get
> stressed about it??
>
> A personal digression, to make my point: I once had a very frustrating
> job, where no one else seemed to be doing THEIR jobs, so I had more
> work. During the time that I had to continue working there, I forced
> myself to develop very clear guidelines about what was my job and what
> WASN'T. I now have a mental shorthand -- "NMJ" reminds me that
> something is not my job and is not worth getting my panties in a knot
> about.
>
> IMO, providing the dog with a healthy, varied raw diet is YOUR job.
> Eating said diet is your DOG's job.
> If you're doing your job, then his job is his business.
>
> If the answers to those questions are NOT yes, then we do need more
> information to be able to help.
>
> -- sandy & griffin (both doin' our own jobs)
>

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5f. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "ANTHONT RODRIGUEZ" luvthisphysique@yahoo.com luvthisphysique
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

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yeah he still has alot of energy and loves to play
still. so that's a good sign. i do agree though that
it's more of an issue that he has to eat when i put
the food down.. well basically he eats pork shoulder,
chicken thighs, and chicken breast with rib in it...
he eats about 2lbs a day when he does eat...how do you
suggest i feed him as far as types of meats, and how
much?? a rotating program would help alot.. thank you
>
> A personal digression, to make my point: I once had
> a very frustrating
> job, where no one else seemed to be doing THEIR
> jobs, so I had more
> work. During the time that I had to continue
> working there, I forced
> myself to develop very clear guidelines about what
> was my job and what
> WASN'T. I now have a mental shorthand -- "NMJ"
> reminds me that
> something is not my job and is not worth getting my
> panties in a knot
> about.
>
> IMO, providing the dog with a healthy, varied raw
> diet is YOUR job.
> Eating said diet is your DOG's job.
> If you're doing your job, then his job is his
> business.
>
> If the answers to those questions are NOT yes, then
> we do need more
> information to be able to help.
>
> -- sandy & griffin (both doin' our own jobs)
>
>

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5g. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

FWIW I had a dog that ate only every 2-3 days. He was gorgeous. Perfect
> weight. That was all he needed and all he wanted. If you have a
> self-regulator get on your knees and thank whatever Deity you believe in! I
> have a mini Dachshund for whom there is NEVER enough food ever. I'd much
> rather have a dog like I used to have. Just offer the food...give the dog
> however long you think is good, then pick it up and put it in the fridge.
> Done. Easy-peasy.
>

Karen

>
>

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5h. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:42 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "john" <luvthisphysique@...> wrote:
>
> i am completely exhausted of my dog eating a little bit of his food,
> or just him looknig at it!!

Hi Anthony,
Is your dog skinny or sick or losing lots of weight? If not, he is
probably doing his own thing, in his own way, in his own time,and at
his own pace. I think the notion that a dog has to eat everyday,
maybe even twice a day, to be healthy, wealthy, and wise has been so
ingrained in us by the brainwashing techniques of pet food companies
and vets-done for their own personal financial gain and not our pets
well being- that we feel guilty, like we are a failure or don't love
our pets... if our pet's life doesn't match up to their definition of
"right." Your dog might be very happy eating this way and doesn't
understand why you are so stressed. He doesn't watch those pet food
commercials or talk to the vet, so he doesn't know he's doing it
"wrong." KathyM

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5i. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:57 pm ((PDT))

Try offering food every day or every other day. Offer as big a piece
as you want and let him eat as much as he wants or you want him to eat
(It sounds like he won't overeat too much. With some dogs, we need to
take the food away if they will eat way too much or never stop.). If
he is eating about 2-3% of his ideal adult body weight per day (or
double that if he eats every 2 days), and seems happy, that's about
right. So, if your dog weighs 50 lbs., he'll probably eat about 1-1.5
lbs. per day, or 2-3 lbs. every other day. Some dogs need more or less
and it depends how active he is, etc.

You can feed chicken, turkey, pork, beef, deer, elk, caribou, goat,
lamb, fish, or anything else you can find. Just try a little bit of
new meats to see how he likes it and how it digests. Then you can add
more.

You don't need to have as much of a plan as you think. If he is
getting a good variety, and is eating meat, bone and organ, and he's
happy and healthy, he's fine.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, ANTHONT RODRIGUEZ
<luvthisphysique@...> wrote:

> he eats about 2lbs a day when he does eat...how do you
> suggest i feed him as far as types of meats, and how
> much?? a rotating program would help alot.. thank you

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6a. Re: Great article
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:31 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "wandaful" <rondarosa@...> wrote:
>
>
> I love this quote (hope I won't get sued)..."Yes, the dog can act as
a salmonella carrier, but the solution is simple—do not eat dog poop
and wash your hands after picking up after your dog."
>
>
I often use a very similar line in response to YA scaremongers!!

Jo

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7a. Grass Eating
Posted by: "Roxane" roxanegraham@yahoo.com roxanegraham
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:31 pm ((PDT))

I am interested in what this group thinks about dogs that eat grass,
why do you think they eat it?

Roxane

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8. Re: Don't know if I had a chance to introduce myself and I will sho
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:56 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/11/2007 5:17:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
"dupontracefan" writes:

you just don't know what to do. I have read websites that say they are raw
but yet they have recipes in the files in their groups that they cook
portions (rice, veggie's, etc.)

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Hi, Diane,

This list has a website with recipes, too--you're gonna love them. :)

(Click on pix to enlarge)

Lynda

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