[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12035

There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: giving up!!
From: johkemp

2a. Grass Eating
From: Ivette Casiano
2b. Grass Eating
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: delcaste
3b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
From: Jenny S

4a. Re: breed specific
From: great_dane_devotee

5a. Re: puppy coughing.
From: johkemp

6a. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: Christy B
6b. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
From: cypressbunny

7. 2 weeks on Raw
From: gbongi1

8a. Re: anal sacs?
From: jmwise80
8b. Re: anal sacs?
From: Evie
8c. Re: anal sacs?
From: S.R. Sudekum

9a. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
From: lauraanimal1
9b. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
From: lauraanimal1

10. pregnancy diet
From: Judy Baird

11a. Thanks
From: lauraanimal1

12a. Re: Pork intolerance?
From: Gar Dee

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1a. Re: giving up!!
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "john" <luvthisphysique@...> wrote:
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> i am completely exhausted of my dog eating a little bit of his food,
> or just him looknig at it!!
>
Have you ever had toddlers? It is the same thing - don't stress about
it, just take the food away and DON'T offer anything else until the
next meal. Kids and dogs won't starve if they don't eat at every
meal :)

Jo

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2a. Grass Eating
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

Every time my Lab eats grass, even one blade, he throws up, but he keeps eating it.
What's up with that?
I've eliminated every other possible cause and the only one left is too much liver. I'll eliminate that next time and see if the culprit was the liver or the grass.

Ivette Casiano
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2b. Grass Eating
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Ivette!
IMO,the reasons why dogs eat grass are as varied as the
dogs that eat it. *shrug* They just do.
Some past discussions;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/msearch?query=why+does+my+dog+eat+grass&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
http://tinyurl.com/28ca9l

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/msearch?query=eat+grass&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
http://tinyurl.com/2haoer
TC
Giselle

> Every time my Lab eats grass, even one blade, he throws up, but he
keeps eating it.
> What's up with that?
> I've eliminated every other possible cause and the only one left
is too much liver. I'll eliminate that next time and see if the
culprit was the liver or the grass.
>
>
> Ivette Casiano
> "Live for today, plan for tomorrow"

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3a. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

I am really drawn to the whole raw feeding thing, but
> with long-haired lap-dogs, how messy are they going to be? I'm not
the best
> housekeeper, but I have to draw the line at sleeping with bloody-
covered,
> fatty, smelly doggies. Will they need bathing every day? Anyone
here in
> the same situation?
>
> --
> Renate

Well, I sleep with pugs and their faces are right into their food. They
never have gotten fat and smelly or even bloody. I do wipe them with a
baby wipe after they're done eating. Sometimes one of the pugs' paws
get into her food but beyond that they're extremely clean. Since your
babies have long hair you would just have to tie it back. You'll be
happy you made the switch, though.

Silvina

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3b. Re: Long-haired Lap Dogs
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:39 am ((PDT))

Hey Renate...we have a female shih tzu she has been raw fed for quite a few months now and i was concerned about the same things you are also we tend to keep her ears long and was very worried about mess in her lovley hair ..she is a full lapdog and yes she sleeps in our bed. she is a very neet eater and cleans herself after she eats, seldom is there blood on her face if there is ill wipe her face with a damp cloth or a wet wipe ..

check my video link below (doggy napkin) and see how she usually cleans herself :)

they will be fine im sure and no worry abut upsetting many on here its an awsome open form and everyone is very understanding ..
Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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4a. Re: breed specific
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

Those are good questions...I hadn't thought about those having this kind of reaction in a
dog. I've done raw off and on for her whole life, but never this pure of raw. I started with
Billinghurst, then switched to a raw ground meat/cooked grain/supplement/ BARF patties/
innove evo kibble/ and am just getting back to trying raw again through the
encouragement of this forum. So not a long time- days actually.

Yes, I vaccinate as little as possible, but I do vaccinate. My dogs are therapy dogs and
they have to be reasonably up to date. My vet has them on a year or two longer inbetween
vaccines, though. I have done flea treatments on the highly allergic dog, too, but just a
little- one month per year. The Dane can't handle flea stuff- it messes with her nervous
system.

I will just have to see how it goes.

Thanks, those were good thoughts.

Libby
> > I guess that means that a raw diet doesn't help with all alergies.
> Is that right? I've got a dog
> > who sems to have just about every inhaled allergy you can imagine,
> and I'd hoped that raw
> > would help with that.
> >
> > Libby
> >
>
> Depends, how long have you been feeding and do you vaccinate and/or use
> HW and flea/tick preventatives?
>
> Dina
> PA
>

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5a. Re: puppy coughing.
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Karen R <mellowed_2@...> wrote:
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> My collie has coughed since the day I got her .... The thing I
notice is if she is occupied or active, she does not do it, but does
it when she is idle or maybe bored.
>
Are you sure this is not just a habit?

I had a dog that was stung by a bee. I was very conernced about the
limping and whimpering that seem to go for days. That is until I
happened to glance out the window and saw her running around and
herding her flowerpots (a sheltie) as usual. I opened the door and
called her to me as I was so pleased with her 'progress'. The little
brat immediately started limping and hung down her head as she
hobbled over. She obviously enjoyed the attention!!

I do think that coughing can be a learned behaviour - I know a few
babies that have been quite pleased with the sound and the attention
it gets. I also know a few adults that continually cough or throat
clear while they are taling - very irritating!!

Jo

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6a. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "Christy B" christyb@cox.net christyb14
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:23 pm ((PDT))

Why would the wool and/or hide be a bad thing? Wouldn't they eat it
if they caught it themselves?

I am very curious about this since I just paid a pretty penny for a
whole (head, guts, hide & wool!) grass fed sheep?

I would love some input here. Lola is about 3 years old, a 55+ pound
Belgian Malinois/Golden Retriever mix; eating raw for almost 2 years.

Thanks,
Christy

Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:20 pm (PST)

anyway I asked earlier about the buthcer and the wild game, but what
about sheep? I have never heard of that one being feed, I know the
hide wouldnt be a good thing unless it has been shaved???? but what
about the rest of the meat? i mean it seems like she should be able
to eat it, I mean think of the comment wolf
in sheeps clothing...... can anyone give me any advice?
TIA...
Laura & Ishta

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6b. Sheep Wool WAS: Re:Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:32 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Christy B <christyb@...> wrote:
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> Why would the wool and/or hide be a bad thing? Wouldn't they eat
it
> if they caught it themselves?

*** Wild sheep do not have the same type/amount of wool as sheep bred
for wool production. Yes, if wolves pulled down a wild sheep, they
might eat some of the hide and therefore some of the wool, and most
dogs would not eat the wool either since it is not digestible. But,
there are some dogs with poor powers of discrimination that might
ingest wool, and that could prove detrimental. Wool mats when wet, so
I would be afraid to feed hide-on sheep in full coat.

*** In short, the hide is great, but eating a huge amount of attached
wool might not be. A recently-sheared sheep would be fine.

Carrie

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7. 2 weeks on Raw
Posted by: "gbongi1" gbongi1@comcast.net gbongi1
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:34 pm ((PDT))

I little history of me and my Dog.i got him from a sheep farmer about
2.5 months ago. He was used as coyote bait on the farm. They stuck him
and his litter mates in the in the cage to draw in coyotes. he
farmers would then sghot the coyotes ... sick I know.

So anyway I got this little hellion of a dog which I love so very much
(he's changed my life)

He is about 1.2 years old. 33lbs. Great dog.

I have been feeding my Heeler mix raw chicken for 2 weeks now.

How I do it:
- Buy whole oven stuffers.
- Quarter them.
- skin them.
- He gets a quarter a day.
- He also eats Lamb heart, beef heart, Chicken livers, Necks and
gizzards as a "side" or later in the evening.

His bowel movement really slowed down and he seems to be about regular.
He poops less (it looks like large deer poop)
Its firm. There are bones in the poop. (this makes me nervous)
The last two days I have seen a very little bit of blood in the stool.
(This makes me nervous but since he was a bit constipated at first
that maybe we are ok.).

He seems to love the food. I don't feed him the "K" but he will eat it
(he steals it form the cats which are getting slowly adjusted to the raw.)

This is my first post and wanted to get some feedback about the above
schedules and if I should be concerned with anything.

thanks alot
~g~

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8a. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:14 pm ((PDT))

My Jack Russell used to have to get manually expressed 2 or 3 times a
year, I think. Maybe more. I do know that I have only had to do it
once since I started feeding raw 10 months ago. It hasn't knocked it
out completely, but I can say that it has made it much better.

Michael Wise

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8b. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "Evie" archie.willow@yahoo.co.uk archie.willow
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:21 am ((PDT))

Hi Jo,
My lurcher needed hers cleaned out often when I first got her. This
improved somewhat changing her over to a holistic kibble. Having
changed her over to a raw diet she has never needed them cleared since,
they don't bother her at all. (Touch wood!)

Evie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone's raw fed dog have these problems?
> I was wondering whether the more natural diet has effects on anal
> sacs.
> Jo

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8c. Re: anal sacs?
Posted by: "S.R. Sudekum" ssudekum@centurytel.net fassue
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:38 am ((PDT))

johkemp wrote:
> Does anyone's raw fed dog have these problems?

Happily, not any more! My Dalmatian used to have NASTY anal sac problems
when she was on the death nuggets. With the raw diet, her poops have
become firmer and smaller, and she has to put some effort into getting
them out, which puts pressure on the sacs and naturally keeps them
clean. Haven't had any problems ever since!

Sue and Leela

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9a. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:14 pm ((PDT))

>
> *** It would be unusual to buy mutton with the skin on--more often
it
> would be skinned first. I agree that I wouldn't feed hide with a lot
> of wool on it. If it was sheared first that would be ok. Other than
> that the whole sheep is edible for a rottie.
>
> --Carrie
>

Thanks Carrie,

I didnt know that was what muttom was....Duhhhh how dunce can I
be...lol

Laura and Ishta

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9b. Re: Sheep? and re-intro
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:16 pm ((PDT))

No i Have to admit i never feed lamb, to pricey for me.. :( And I'm
not sure how They would give me the Sheep, it would be from the
butcher, he has people he knows that raise sheep but he doesnt butcher
them. He butchers only Cow's and pig's. So I am not sure if I will be
getting any first off, but if I do, I wanted to know what i needed and
didnt need. Figured it would be everything, but the hide is what i was
worried about because they are not sheared at this time of year here.
and I guess it would depend on how it dies to if they do or not.
Thanks,
Laura

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10. pregnancy diet
Posted by: "Judy Baird" judy@brig.com earthdoglover
Date: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I have a female that is being bred this week.
Years ago I followed a diet from Growing Your Pups with Bones (Billinghurst)
Both of my girls at that time had great trouble with their whelpings.
Possibly from other underlying factors but I wonder if the veggies, goats
milk, supplements helped or not.
I have been told to add Vit B12, Folic Acid and Vit C immediately.
Does anyone have info about this and what quantity to give?
We tend to feed too much chicken for money reasons and also for lack of
variety in our local stores.
Would more straight beef to replace some chicken be beneficial?
What about fish?? There is so much bad news about mercury and parasites in
certain fish that I do not know what kind to try.
Anyone who can share pregnancy diet advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Judy

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11a. Thanks
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:39 am ((PDT))

Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice on the
sheep/wool/mutton, I got great answers from all of you..... Now
Saturday I am gonna have some fun....???? I talked to the wild game
place and they told me they would hold some stuff back for me so I
dont have to "dumpster dive" into a dumpster full of carcasses.....
(Thank you) I wasnt looking forward to getting all bloody in that
way.Still have to amn handle and cut up big bodies though. I will be
getting some deer and elk heads and rib cages and legs, as well as
other parts, they also said they will try to save me any organs and
tongues they get in. I am also 1st in line for the un-picked up meat
when the season is over. With that Me and My rottie can eat some of
that, I get the sausage, she gets most everything else.

Now sometime next week I will be going out "with" the butcher to see
the process from beginning to end, he said that way he can show me
exactly what is left over, and I can show him what I want. So far I
have this that I can remember, tails, feet and legs, heads and
tongues, any and all organs, some of the hide ( i know its good for
them, but I ahve to think about freezer room) what ever the people
dont want I can go threw and any big hunk of trim that has good meat
on it. oh yea and back bone. Am I forgeting anything?

Thanks again for the Help everyone

Laura and Ishta

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12a. Re: Pork intolerance?
Posted by: "Gar Dee" gardeen1@yahoo.ca gardeen1
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:39 am ((PDT))

Hi, 1 of my dogs do the same thing after eating pork too ( you need a gas mask). The other 2 are fine with eating every thing . I have been feeding raw for about 4 months now and have had no other problems.

Dee

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