[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12456

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
From: spricketysprock

2a. Re: Dogs eating after each other a problem or concern ???
From: carnesbill

3a. Re: Was: new member needs help getting started on raw/ Now :...
From: scarebetty

4.1. Help
From: Donna subramanian
4.2. Re: Help
From: Sandee Lee
4.3. Re: Help
From: Robert Ekendahl
4.4. Re: Help
From: Casey Post

5a. Re: vegetation happens
From: Robert Ekendahl

6a. Re: chicken with the bones too?
From: Robert Ekendahl
6b. Re: chicken with the bones too?
From: Yasuko herron

7a. Re: books
From: Giselle
7b. Re: books
From: Yasuko herron
7c. Re: books
From: carnesbill

8a. Re: Veg... It seems I;m preaching to the deaf sometimes!
From: Chia

9a. Re: RAW causing sking issues? (LONG POST)
From: vickies_28

10a. Re: Allergy
From: Yasuko herron
10b. Re: Allergy
From: carnesbill

11a. worried
From: scarebetty
11b. Re: worried
From: Sandee Lee
11c. Re: worried
From: Casey Post

12a. Re: Pork ear
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
From: Susano

14a. Re: Switching to raw for older dogs
From: certaintragedies

15. Bought today..
From: Betty

16a. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
From: jaygaughan

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1a. Re: anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 5:20 pm ((PST))

>
> Oh they do have a Contact Us for email. I usually send each such site
> that comes across my radar a little note (my perversion). In this
> case I sent the following:
> --------------------------------------------

I'm curious to read their response!

Jess & Toby

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2a. Re: Dogs eating after each other a problem or concern ???
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 5:21 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rosey031801" <rosey031801@...>
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> Should I go out and pick up the leftovers...I don't want to have
> to do that. Any advice?

I would rather my dogs not share their food simply because it's easier
to keep up with how much each is eating and controlling the volume. I
wouldn't worry about spreading any disease or infection. It's really
your choice.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Re: Was: new member needs help getting started on raw/ Now :...
Posted by: "scarebetty" scarebetty@yahoo.com scarebetty
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 5:21 pm ((PST))

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>
> Hi Trish,
> Deer is a perfect food as is. There is no reason to add anything to
> it. Just remember the 5% liver and 5% other organs and you should be
> good to go. I adopted my smallest dog as a puppy. I always wanted an
> aussie, and i found some "aussie x" puppies at a shelter. Now, a
> couple of years later, Addie actually looks much more like a blue
> merle bc than an aussie. My point is that even though she is my
> smallest dog, the head, leg, rib, neck, ..deer bones covered with meat
> are edible for her. KathyM

>
I was just reading the new posts and came across this one on deer and
I have a question that is related to deer. My dogs eat deer legs a
lot during hunting season. Occasionally they will eat the whole thing
before I get whats left of the bone picked up. They digest the bone
just fine, but will throw up the deer hooves. Most of the time the
hooves come back up just like they look on the deer, however, the last
time that my dog who has been on raw about 8 mo. threw up hooves that
looked like they had been bleached. Of course, the hooves are in very
yellow fluid, which I understand that that is the bile from trying to
digest the hooves. I'm just wondering what the hooves are made of
that makes them so hard to digest.
Thanks,
Betty

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4.1. Help
Posted by: "Donna subramanian" drgs562000@yahoo.com drgs562000
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 5:31 pm ((PST))

Hi,
i am new and in an argument with my vet. She says there is too much cholesterol in the commercial raw foods i feed and she wants me to change one of my bullies to-gasp- low fat kibble. i will not. Does anyone have the formula for converting wet to dry matter? i would like to show my vet-in a way i hope she understands- that my food does not contain too much fat. i use Bravo raw and use all varieties, but i do limit beef, lamb and duck because they are higher in fat. Anyhow, if someone could send me the formula, i would be grateful. Donna

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4.2. Re: Help
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 6:02 pm ((PST))

Commercial raw foods are not appropriate for many reasons...but too much
cholesterol? Ask her to back that up with some facts.

Protein and fat are the mainstays of a carnivore's diet. If you limit those
ingredients, what are they replaced with?

Ignore the vet, feed your dog appropriately...that means lots of red meat
and fat, a tiny bit of edible bone and organs, all whole rather than
ground...and no veggies.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Donna subramanian" <drgs562000@yahoo.com>
> i am new and in an argument with my vet. She says there is too much
cholesterol in the commercial raw foods i feed and she wants me to change
one of my bullies to-gasp- low fat kibble. i will not. Does anyone have the
formula for converting wet to dry matter? i would like to show my vet-in a
way i hope she understands- that my food does not contain too much fat. i
use Bravo raw and use all varieties, but i do limit beef, lamb and duck
because they are higher in fat. Anyhow, if someone could send me the
formula, i would be grateful. Donna

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4.3. Re: Help
Posted by: "Robert Ekendahl" robert@ekendahl.org ekendahl
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 6:16 pm ((PST))

Ok,

Don't worry about cholesterol. Period.
First cholesterol eaten will not significantly add to your cholesterol
value as it's processed in your stomach.
Secondly the proof that cholesterol in your blood matters at all is
based on very little scientific proof to say the least.

If you want to learn more buy the great book "good calories, bad
calories" by Taube (on amazon for example)
It also talk about how important fat and proteins really are. Sure the
books addresses humans but I'm sure the same holds true for carnivores
in general.

/Robert Ekendahl

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4.4. Re: Help
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 6:33 pm ((PST))

>>my vet. She says there is too much cholesterol in the commercial raw foods
>>i feed and she wants me to change one of my bullies to-gasp- low fat
>>kibble.

Donna,

I'm curious - did the vet run a blood test on this dog and his cholesterol
is high?

Because if the answer is "yes", then you absolutely need to follow this up
with a full six panel test for hypothyroidism.

You see, high cholesterol on canine blood work is often a symptom of poor
thyroid function and that has NOTHING to do with diet. Hypothyroidism is
nothing to fool around with either as it can cause not only health problems,
but also behavior changes (fear, aggression, sound sensitivity, OCD, etc.).

Casey

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5a. Re: vegetation happens
Posted by: "Robert Ekendahl" robert@ekendahl.org ekendahl
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 5:44 pm ((PST))

Thanks for the story, new dog/cat stories warms my hart too. I switched
all my pets on January 1st as well. They, 2 white dogs, one cat love it!
Never will I feed kibble again to any family member in my house!

And just wait until you feed your dog something meatier! Today I fed
both my kids a Turkey Drumstick. My mature dog took more then 20 minutes
to finish it, and I could tell he loved every minute of it; As a side
note my 14 month puppy finished the same sized leg in about 8 minutes
and looked jealously on while his brother took his time, I suspect he
will too learn to slow down. But what a difference from the 45 second
fast food meals of last year!

/Robert Ekendahl

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6a. Re: chicken with the bones too?
Posted by: "Robert Ekendahl" robert@ekendahl.org ekendahl
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 5:44 pm ((PST))

Yes,

you feed bone and all raw (I know it felt strange to me too!). You might
be surprised who fast he will crush the bones and how much he will love.

To start, first guesstimate how much food per day your boy needs. It's
2-3% of ideal weight. So assuming 120 lbs is a lean dog he needs 2.4 lbs
or so of meat (and some digestible bones each day). Start with a single
source of protein, and people say chicken is relatively easy for your
dog to digest so it's a good start. Simply buy a small 2.4 lb whole
chicken and give the whole thing too him (remove the innards for now).
That's his food for tomorrow! If your dog should really be 90 lbs then
feed 1.8 lbs instead, and if so buy a large chicken and cut in half.

Oh! Do this right away as in tomorrow. It's a great start! Then keep
reading this site and after a week or so you might want to start mixing
in other proteins and maybe organs to his food.

This site is great support

Robert Ekendahl

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6b. Re: chicken with the bones too?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 6:16 pm ((PST))

>frozen so im not cooking it im giving him the raw chicken... right???

Hi,Mari. to get started,you go get a whole birds and that birds comes with giblet bag inside the cavaty. the bag contains,neck,heart,liver,gizzard. Put them in zip bag titling the bag as chicken Organ or something so that you know waht you put in there. Oh,for your info,herat and gizzard are considered muscle meat(boneless meat if you understand) nutritionary.

Then,freeze them til theday you decide to add them to meal gradually.

Now,you got the whole bird sitting in front of you without giblet bag. you know the estimated weight of that bird,right from price tag from store.So,you cut the whole bird to your dog's portion and bag them and keep only you need in fridge andrest goes to freezer.

I usually put in freezer bagand as I need,I pull it out andthawin frudge one day before feeding.

all poultry,I do the same way.

if thedog gets experienced and no tum prob,I probably can give whole bird and take it away when the dog stop eating it but I do not do that yet (I am on rawfeeding from May 07) especially if you just going to start out,I recommend to cut to portion andfeed andgradually increase the volume of one meal so that it is not going to upset the tummy.

I started off feeding 2 feeding per day. That way, meal is smaller than one feeding so,it is better for my dog I thought. When dog gets upset tummy,either you are feeding too much food at once or too much fat in meal or too much new thing too soon.so,observing yourdogs,you can tweak thefeeding amount or menu or how to serve etc.

My dog been on rawabout 8 months now and,she now gets big meal now and then ( I still take meal away when I think she had enough.I noticed she eats 1lb if I give her 30 minutes in average so,I can use that to assume when to take meal out. I try to give her more time gradually but,not giving free eating yet.Baby step for me.

After the big meal,I give small meal to conpensate for big meal amount.since I am not doing total gorge thing,so,I don't fast my dog yet. Maybe someday.

It is entertaining to see how my dog tackle 5lb goat leg using paws from this side or that side,how she tear meat off the bone,but, when you start out,you better off stay on baby step approach. Keep the fun for later,lol.


Anyway, you start off serving chicken and if it was well digested and poo was not runny or diarrhea and if you were comfortable,you move on to next step.

I myself put my dog on chicken 1 week first to ensure shedoes well on it and second week, I added smidge of chicken liver and main meal is still chicken;her meal was chicken andbit of chicken liver.

After 4 days or so later,since she did good on it,I moved on to Beef. So,she was on Beef with chicken liver.

After she did good on beef,I went to adding beef liver smidge and she did good on it.So,her meal waslike some days are beef with chicken liver(which she did ok on),and some day were beef with beef liver and I alternated liver variety between chicken and beef. Then,I went to Turkey. So,main is Turkey and now she gets sometimes,Turkey with chicken liver,some days she gets Turkey and beef liver.After that,I added beef kidney and shedid ok. So,when she gets beef liver,she got beef kidney too.

This is just me and you can choose the next protin but,at any time, make sure you add only one new thing to meal.

I then,visited all the protin I wanted to introduce,and backed to round 2.That round,I decided to feed how I want to serve menu so, I have patern to feed. At this moment,I feed her big meal now andthen,and when I do,I feed only one feeding and next couple ofdays are small small meal.The big meal I used to feed her is now backed to freezer for this week's big meal day. Don't worry about thaw and refreeze meat. They are ok.

If you wanted to look at my dog's menu,here is meal menu for one day of the next week.

Pork heart,Turkey gizzard,Tripe,Mackerral and Frog leg.

Gizzard and tripe are 2 side dishes for her.I don't feed big Tripe in meal. I give her Tripe ball;size of truffles if you will. I cannot get hunk of tripe but ground.so,when I received it,with painful smell around,with protected hand,I made tripe ballsandbagged them up. I then pull out the zip bag out oneday before the tripe sidedish meal andshe gets littlr Tripe balls,which makes her so jumpy and shelikes to lick inside out of the zip bagafter all ballsare used up in bag andallow her to lick it. smell of balls are torelatable that way at least for me.

But when I feed big,she gets no side dish,but one main thing. Thesedays,I keep pulling out Goat leg and that is all she gets on trhat day but I am thinking this time,I try Beef tail that is sleeping in freezer a while. I got it whole ox tail after asking the grocerystore meat guy so,it is good tip for you too;ask the meat guy if you had something you wanted in mind but all are sliced on shelf.They may have unsliced back the counter.

As for how much you feed,guideline is 2-3% of ideal weight depending on activity level.

If you put wording "new",I am guessing you get tonz of related past posts in search results on this list.

Good luck.

Remember, patient,be relax,no catering no coaxing no hovering,and baby step and you can do it!

yassy

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7a. Re: books
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 6:06 pm ((PST))

Hi, Mari!
Books, we don't need no stinkin' books! ^_^

Really, everything you will ever need to know about feeding a raw species
appropriate whole prey model diet can be found on these websites;

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist

and in this list's archives.
<http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist>
One to get you started;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> are there any good books out i can buy and get deep in this raw
> subject. i just need to see what he can eat what kind of menu i can
> set him up to budget his weekly needs. thanks everyone. mari
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7b. Re: books
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 6:21 pm ((PST))

Since I readon WDJ that the book "Raw Meaty Bone" by Tom Landle is mostly about his battle against other vets so,I did not buy/read his book,but I changed my mind and,I bought it in Dec andreading it chapter by chapter.I think that the book also helps to understand better too.

Today,I was reading about cooked and raw meat chapter but,it is something newbie can benefit from reading that chapter.

All the links given by Gisell also helpstoo.I read them too.

yassy

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7c. Re: books
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:44 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lifted_trucks_21"
<lifted_trucks_21@...> wrote:
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> are there any good books out i can buy and get deep in this raw
> subject. i just need to see what he can eat what kind of menu i can
> set him up to budget his weekly needs. thanks everyone. mari

The best book on raw feeding by far is "Work WOnders", by Dr. Tom
Lonsdale. You can get it on rawmeatybones.com. Just click on the
picture of the book on the first page.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8a. Re: Veg... It seems I;m preaching to the deaf sometimes!
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 6:20 pm ((PST))

Chia wrote:
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> ### maybe we should start force feeding horses and cows raw meat...they
> must need the protein & fat? sheesh...
> Chia & Ricco

I actually often say that to people who start on the veg thing with me
and it's one of the more successful comments. Once people look at it
that way it makes more sense to them. Of course, if they're totally
stuck on the idea that a dog is an omnivore then it doesn't work :(

### I know, it's so ridiculous...you show me a carnivore whose jaw moves
side to side and I'll eat my words!

Chia & Ricco 'the carnivore' damnit! ;-))

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9a. Re: RAW causing sking issues? (LONG POST)
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:42 pm ((PST))

EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.

Hi everyone
I am glad I saw this posting. I have a basset hound that is on raw
for over 5 mo. He's been itching like non stop for no apparent
reason. I do not see any bumps on him. But I do feed a lot of chiken,
since it's a good bone source and he digests it well. So I am
wondering if we are all getting the same problem from chicken. I
don't see any markings as to "enhanced" or whatever on the chicken I
buy.But I do buy the cheapest kind that I never eat myself.
Should I try to eliminate chiken and see what happens?
I don't have access to any other bone though.
Vickie

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10a. Re: Allergy
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:43 pm ((PST))

>Pick out one protein source. It's not critical what it is but just feed one. For our example, lets use chicken.

Hi,Bill. I do not have allegy dog so,I do not need to do elimination diet,but theelimination diet method that I read in book like on WDJ was telling you to feed the novel protin source which dog hasnever had it before for 6 weeks and like you suggested,try adding other protin source and find culprit.

We still can use the protin source that dog hashad before?? I thought we couldn't.

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10b. Re: Allergy
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 10:13 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> We still can use the protin source that dog hashad before?? I
thought we couldn't.

Hi, Yassy,
It really doesn't make any difference what protein source you use as
long as you use just one for 2 months. If it's chicken, pork, or
some exotic animal it's ok. For 2 months nothing goes in the dog's
mouth that is not that protein source. Either the problem will go
away or it won't.

If it goes away, whatever protein source you are feeding is ok.
THEN you gradually add other back, one every 2 weeks to see what
happens. One protein source will probably cause the problem to
return.

If the problem remains with the first protein source then for 2
months feed anything you want to EXCEPT the original protein
source. Again, either the problem will go away or it won't. If it
goes away, the allergen is the original protein source. If the
problem remains, the dog may have an allergy but it isn't a food
allergy.

It sounds simple but feeding a dog one protein source for 2 months
isn't as easy as it sounds, particularly if you have other dogs that
aren't on the elimination diet.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11a. worried
Posted by: "scarebetty" scarebetty@yahoo.com scarebetty
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:43 pm ((PST))

I have been feeding prey model diet for about 7 or 8 mo. Some friends
saw how good my dog looked and started feeding prey model a coupe of
months ago. I was so excited that they started feeding raw, now I'm
not so excited. One of their dogs just died all of a sudden. They
have no idea what happened. They just went out and found her dead.
Now I am having second thoughts as to whether it was something caused
by the bones. I know that anything can happen, but I was just
wondering if anyone that has been feeding raw for a long time has ever
had any of their dogs just die from the scary things that we are all
told about from naysayers, such as a perforated stomach, etc?

Betty

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11b. Re: worried
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:07 pm ((PST))

Betty,

While this is a horrible tragedy, I don't know why you would even think this
has anything to do with diet. Appropriate diet does not kill dogs.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "scarebetty" <scarebetty@yahoo.com>

I have been feeding prey model diet for about 7 or 8 mo. Some friends
saw how good my dog looked and started feeding prey model a coupe of
months ago. I was so excited that they started feeding raw, now I'm
not so excited. One of their dogs just died all of a sudden. They
have no idea what happened. They just went out and found her dead.

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11c. Re: worried
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:15 pm ((PST))

> One of their dogs just died all of a sudden. They
> have no idea what happened. They just went out and found her dead.

Betty,

Well, if that were my dog, I'd have a necropsy done just in case it was
poison or something that could pose a risk to the remaining dogs.

Casey

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12a. Re: Pork ear
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:44 pm ((PST))

>pig ears. the ears are cartilage and skin -

Hi,since my dog haslimping history,I try to give some cartilidge item here and there but pork ear is good for joint as well if it is made with cartilidge?

I know treachea and poultry wing and chicken feet are good for joint though.

yassy

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13a. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
Posted by: "Susano" tekritesue@yahoo.com tekritesue
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:46 pm ((PST))

I won't get into the veggies/no veggies debate, but I'll just agree
that pugs don't have an "I'm full" sensor. They want to eat all the
time. I don't think that it has too much to do with carbs. I think
that my pugs would explode if they could get enough food to do so.

I feed my three pugs one meal of raw meat late every afternoon (yes, I
should vary the time, but it's what works for us). No treats during
the day and a small baby carrot at night when the boys go into their
crates. They don't digest it, but it's a treat we gave our old Lhasa
at bedtime and it was just easier to include them in the ritual once
they realized what was going on.

I love giving them a meaty bone to play with because it takes them
such a long time to finish their meal. I have to watch that I don't
give them too much bone because it's so nice to see them having so
much fun. When they get liver or something else that they can slurp
down quickly, they wander around a bit looking for more. It's tempting
to give in, but I do as Chris O suggested you do and ignore the little
beggers. Yes, they think it's food time whenever I open the fridge,
but I just tell them to get lost. If they're being really annoying I
just make them leave the kitchen.

Congratulations on switching to raw, BTW!

Susan

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> Hi,
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> I am new here but have been feeding 5 pugs a raw diet for about 3
> years now. So here's my 2 cents on the subject. I think it may be a
> pug thing where they think they are hungry all day.

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14a. Re: Switching to raw for older dogs
Posted by: "certaintragedies" inaudibly@gmail.com certaintragedies
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 8:47 pm ((PST))

Thank you, to both Monica and Sandee. I read through all that and am
feeling slightly less worried now. I'm going to start the 10 year old
on raw feeding on Sunday for two weeks and see if there's any
improvement at all in her skin condition. Maybe if it's manageable and
all goes well I can switch the younger dog over too.

Any recommendations on what I should start her off with? I know no
organs yet and that chicken is a good way to start. Chicken leg
quarters? Wings? Do I throw the whole thing into her bowl or should I
chop it all up first?

-Melissa

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15. Bought today..
Posted by: "Betty" prismkitten@yahoo.com prismkitten
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 10:13 pm ((PST))

I got some pork raw rib bones, and I cut at least 2 or 3 together and
froze most of them. There are several different names or kinds of rib
bones, 'back ribs' and the ones I bought..I can't even recall what
they are called now. Not the back ribs anyway. Are either ok?

I also bought a whole chicken and cut up into thighs, legs, breasts,
back, and wings, and it came with a neck and heart. I gave my Maltese
the meaty thigh bone today which he readily ate all up. Did you say he
can or can't have the meaty leg bones, neck, back? If I recall he can
have the back but it's not very meaty, and the neck (which makes me
nervous) and should I cut up the neck bones or just give as one piece?
And I have to go back to read what knuckle bones are again..since I
already forgot that too:( I'll go back and refresh my memory.

I found tripe, but didn't buy that. It's difficult deciding what to
try first. I know I can freeze all these things though for later. I'll
just keep refreshing my memory until it's stuck with me.

Prism

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16a. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 10:13 pm ((PST))

It's 4 degrees here in CT now. Feeding outside is not fun.

Please send warm weather our way.

Jay

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