Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12446

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: worms
From: Ania Tysarczyk
1.2. Re: worms
From: bluegracepwd
1.3. worms
From: h h
1.4. Re: worms
From: homesforallpets
1.5. Re: worms
From: Barb
1.6. Re: worms
From: cypressbunny

2a. Re: new whippet not hungry
From: christinegenova

3a. Re: Funny smell - bloodlike?
From: Ania Tysarczyk
3b. Re: Funny smell - bloodlike?
From: katkellm

4a. Re: How many times a week are eggs ok
From: Yasuko herron

5a. Re: eadible bones in pork
From: Yasuko herron
5b. Re: eadible bones in pork
From: Caren OConnor

6a. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: Ania Tysarczyk
6b. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: Heather

7a. Re: Gullet
From: Yasuko herron
7b. Re: Gullet
From: Yasuko herron

8a. Wild game Question
From: chriswiberg
8b. Re: Wild game Question
From: katkellm

9a. Re: Aggression with bone
From: Giselle

10. Ground turkey from 2003...still okay?
From: steph.sorensen

11a. Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I have ma
From: w453angel2000
11b. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
From: Sandee Lee
11c. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
From: Chia

12. Caught some good prices!
From: homesforallpets

13. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I...
From: Morledzep@aol.com

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1.1. Re: worms
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:29 pm ((PST))

Just Curious. What type of worm is that? Was it tapeworm from eating
the fleas on the rabbit?

Ania

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1.2. Re: worms
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:31 pm ((PST))

goodness me. Did your vet convince you that your dogs got worms from
rabbits? How was that assessment made?

And the special worms that rabbits have are?

Sounds to me like you've been dudded more than anything else, but I'm
all ears in the hope of a learning opportunity.

- Jane

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1.3. worms
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:07 pm ((PST))

I'm still researching. ..Yes, still....I was brought up with the idea if
a dog was feed raw food or raw bones they could get worms??? Can this
happen from feeding some raw foods? How can I prevent it from
happening?? What foods to avoid that are known to cause worms? What'll
I do if it does???

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If your dog catches a rabbit that has worms and eats it, the dog could get worms. So, if you are worried about worms, don't let your dog catch, kill, and eat rabbits, squirrels, etc.

If you feed your dog meat you bought from a grocer, butcher, etc., that meat will not have worms.

If you wish to feed wild game to your dog, freeze it solid for a couple of weeks and that will kill off any parasites that may be in the meat. Same thing if you feed "fresh, never frozen" salmon from the Pacific Northwest.

HEIDI MARIE
~with the woofs-Cheyenne and Lazy B~
~and the moggies-Minerva, Shasta, and Misty-Jo~

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1.4. Re: worms
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:12 pm ((PST))

I am sorry that happened to you did you let the supplier know about
it? Did you get them from a breeder? A breeder should be told about
these things so he or she can treat her herd to keep it from happening
again. As a rabbit breeder myself I try hard to be sure my animals
are healthy. If I sold someone fryers to feed their pets I would hope
they'd let me know about that happening. It effects not just your
dogs but our breeding stock.

Kathy in MO

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "DENISE HARMON" <Harmonydobes1@...>
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> My dogs got worms from eating Rabbits. It was very expensive to
deworm them because of the specific worm the rabbits carry. I will
not feed WHOLE rabbits again. I do feed them skinned and gutted
rabbits and have never had another problem. This case is not just
random. I can state cases where many many dogs were infected with
this worm from whole rabbits. I choose to be very careful when it
comes to rabbits.
>
> Dee Harmon
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1.5. Re: worms
Posted by: "Barb" behaven1@telus.net behavensnikko
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:49 pm ((PST))

My last litter of raw fed/vacc. free pups had roundworms! Big healthy
(but dead) roundworms! Good old diatomaceous earth to their rescue!
Dead worms.They pooped out dead worms after a week or so on DE!All
adults were treated too,no worms in them!Not related to food at all!
Cheers/Barb
Behaven Shelties--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill"
<carnesw@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Gaye Amick"
> <northernskychar@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm still researching...Yes, still....I was brought up with the
> > idea if a dog was feed raw food or raw bones they could
> > get worms???
>
> Any animal including humans CAN get worms. Doesn't mean they do.
> My present dogs have never had worms and my other dogs never had
> worms after switching them to raw.
>
> > Can this happen from feeding some raw foods?
>
> I suppose it can but I can't give you an incidence that it has.
>

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1.6. Re: worms
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 5:49 pm ((PST))

*** Wild rabbits may carry Taenia pisiformis, a species of tapeworm.
Domestic rabbits rarely have this parasite because they are usually
caged and not exposed to infectious dog poop. The tapeworm rarely
causes any problems for the dog, but effective wormers are cheap and
readily available over the counter. I have no idea why it was expensive
to treat your dog.

> I choose to be very careful when it comes to rabbits.

*** That makes sense with wild rabbits, which I would freeze before
feeding, but for domestic rabbits, I would choose another supplier if I
got ones infected with Taenia pisiformis.

--Carrie

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2a. Re: new whippet not hungry
Posted by: "christinegenova" geauxgirl@sbcglobal.net christinegenova
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:29 pm ((PST))

Hi Laurie,

Thanks for your response. She's acting fine -- playful and happy. She had a little bit of it
today (not too much), and I have resorted to kibble to supplement. She ate some of that
too, but also a small portion. I would like to pick up something more tantalizing. Any
suggestions?

Christine

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> Hi Christine,
>
> How old is your pup? Is she acting normal other than not very hungry?
> She could be full from yesterday, or she may have liked the cooked
> goose (stronger smell & flavor than raw chicken) and is hoping holding
> out for more of that might work.
>
> Laurie
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "christinegenova" <geauxgirl@>
> wrote:
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> Gave her the chicken, a couple of sniffs and she
> > just walked away.
>

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3a. Re: Funny smell - bloodlike?
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:29 pm ((PST))

At 5 months old, is the puppy teething? There is definately a strong
smell of blood that comes from a puppys mouth when they teeth.

Ania

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "eventer2001" <eventer2001@...>
wrote:
Lately we had instances of smelling
> something coming from the pup... the paramedic hubby says it smells a
> bit like blood. > Thanks tons!
> Tammy
> & Reilly
>
> Dayton, Ohio
>

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3b. Re: Funny smell - bloodlike?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:07 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "eventer2001" <eventer2001@...> wrote:
> The 5 month old newf has been eating raw since I got him just over 2
> months ago. I've been introducing new meats lately -- picked up some
> pork rib ends at the market on Saturday on sale, some turkey wings at
> the store on their "almost dead" sale shelf. Mostly though, he gets
> ground beef and chicken.

Hi Tammy,
I don't know for sure if this is the problem, but my thought
would be that your diet is too bone heavy. Wings are not very meaty
and pork rib ends can be sorta on the skimpy side, too, when it comes
to meat. Chicken is also a bone heavy meal. If his system got to much
bone down there and couldn't get it digested enough to come out the
bottom end in a timely manner, his system did the next best thing
which is get it out of there by bringing it up. The smell could be
that acidic smell you get from digestive juice vomit-not sure how to
describe it any better than that. Just a maybe, KathyM

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4a. Re: How many times a week are eggs ok
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:29 pm ((PST))

>Is it better to remove the whites & feed only the yolks as i've read
that the biotin in whites is a problem for dogs.

this issue comes up frequently when there is Egg topic as well,so,if you wanted to read more on detail,search in the past posts about this too.

But that being said, feeding york and white together is totaly ok. to causedeficiency thing,I think people needs to feed tonz tonz of Egg to dogs.

as long as dog can torelate and if your dogs were not on "loose weight" plan,I think you are ok to feed as many as you want.

and,you can feed shell to dog if you like. I don't give shell though because she gets calcium from bone in diet. To give shell or not to give shell is up to owners.

yassy

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5a. Re: eadible bones in pork
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:41 pm ((PST))

>what are eadible bones in pork ?

My corgi gets Pork rib ,Pork Neck as bone from Pork.

as rec bone,she gets Pork feet occasionary.
I do not think pork has wreck bone like cow bone.I may wrong but...

yassy

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5b. Re: eadible bones in pork
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:07 pm ((PST))

My husband found Boston Butts on sale for .99/lb. and bought two. I removed the meat from the Butts and had a couple of larger bones with some meat attached. I gave the bones to my youngest Cavaliers, 16 months and 5 months respectively, and they were kept busy for quite a while stripping them free of the meat and getting some jaw exercise at the same time.
Once they were tired and could chew no more, I put the bones in the trash. With the bone I feed as part of my daily meal(s), I saw no need for the older ones to consume what the little ones left behind.
As a meal, I sometimes feed pork ribs. I've never had any problems with feeding these bones.
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com> wrote:
>what are eadible bones in pork ?

My corgi gets Pork rib ,Pork Neck as bone from Pork.

as rec bone,she gets Pork feet occasionary.
I do not think pork has wreck bone like cow bone.I may wrong but...

yassy

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6a. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 2:41 pm ((PST))

Hi,

I have snakes and bguy rodents frozen in bulk like that. Be very
careful to check what they feed their rodents. Some of the cheaper
places feed cheap dog food with all the chemicals dyes etc..in it to
their rodents to cut costs and the nutritional value and gut contents
of the rodents reflect that.

I have never been able to bring myself to feed them to my dogs. They
are too stinky and gross to me. And since my dogs regularly catch
rodents (I live in the suburbs), I worry that they would eat what they
catch and they could potentially catch rodents poisened by the
neighbors. I regularly feed whole quail though.

Ania

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jordan_spiva" <jordan_spiva@...>
wrote:
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> I visited rodentpro.com. They have the BEST prices. It's a snake
feed place and they also
> stock whole carcasess of guinea pigs,rabbits,quail,and chicks. Will
my dog be getting
> everything he needs from those whole prey animals only?
>
> asked by Jordan Spiva
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6b. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:18 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
"Another concern (Casey and I were just discussing this issue
yesterday, no fooling!) is the quality of product. These critters,
produced as they are in huge volumes, are fed formulized diets that
are created to be "nutritionally complete and balanced"--just as dog
food is--with strict economies that definitely depend on dubious
ingredients. Paying dearly for critters fed foodlike substances may
be a higher price than the concept is worth, especially if your
intention is to rely completely on factory livestock."

I see no difference in feeding animals fed a "formulated diet" that
will be fed whole or feeding grains to livestock. Neither
are "natural" foods for either species.

"Also keep in mind that these animals are usually raised to
standards that best nourish reptiles, not your dog. I seriously
doubt the mice are being fed food that's species appropriate for
mice. Which means you may feed whole prey but your dog's
nutritional needs may not be met."

There is no way to feed a mouse/rat/guinea pig/etc a special diet to
meet the needs of a reptile. They are fed lab blocks, pretty much a
vitamin/mineral mix and grains such as corn (in low quality blocks),
wheat, soy, possibly oats, all compressed together in a convenient
square shape. Lab blocks are formulated to be the easiest way to
provide the animal with all the nutrients it needs.. so in turn when
the animal itself is healthy, THAT is what makes it nutritonal for
the animal eating it, regardless if it's a snake, lizard, dog or
cat. It would be great to be able to feed a mouse or rat the way it
is supposed to eat in the wild, unfortunately those figures have not
been tested yet. Very, very few people (as in 2) in the 6000 or so
on a rodent forum I visit feed a whole foods/natural diet to their
rats/mice and must still supplement with blocks, children's vitamins
or organic dog food a few times a week. It is very difficult. I have
tried and failed. All my animals lost weight on it.. it's ALOT of
work and trying to feed something each day to cover this and that
nutrient is hard when a rat's stomach is only about as big as your
thumb from the tip to first joint. It's not as easy as feeding a
carnivore whose food contains all essential nutrients vs feeding
plant foods that each have certain vitamins and minerals that others
don't.

Heather

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7a. Re: Gullet
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:07 pm ((PST))

>Even butterflied (no easy task) they are precariously close to being "oh I can swallow this" size.

Hi,Chris.Thank you for your response.The one that I ordered is looked at here

http://www.hare-today.com/product_info.php?products_id=178

You can see the pictures,but i do not think it is batterflied on this one. I guess wait andsee thing as for size. I asked Tracy to ship next week,so,I know for sure waht it is look like next week.

yassy

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7b. Re: Gullet
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:07 pm ((PST))

>the ones we get from greentripe.com usually are about the size of a large man's fist up to about the size of a softball,

Hi,Catherine.Thanksfor great description on size-wise.Since I don't get it from site you got it from,sizse may bedifferent but if it werefooitball size,my corgi can probably ok forsize-wise.I have to wait and see.

I try to give cartilige in meal now and then,because she has limping history and after switching to raw,she does not need glucosamin tablet anymore andrun like a wind but like to give natural source of glucosamin,which is mostly from catilidge and,I was interested in gullet as well.

What kinds of dogs do you have? If same size to my corgi can crush catilidge without any prob,she probably has no prob eating it but I wanted to see how hard/soft the cartilidge is.

But I really envy you being in CA wheretripe.com is located at... I wait til I get more freezer space and if i could make space for it andif thetime was still cold month,then,I could try ordering tripe from the tripe.com,but shiopping fee is little high to VA... Wish I lived closer to CA..

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8a. Wild game Question
Posted by: "chriswiberg" christinewiberg@hotmail.com chriswiberg
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:07 pm ((PST))

Hey all

I have been a lurker for months now and have learned so much reading
these posts. I have a 9 month old Portuguese Water Dog. I live in
Calgary Canada.

In November I scored huge form a butcher who does wild game in
hunting season. I have ½ a full of elk moose ribs with back attached.
I have no idea if they have been tested for CWD as well this last
season was a horrid year for ticks ( I lost a moose to it, the meat
was unusable (lime disease).

What I am getting at I don't want to put My little guy in any
danger is this stuff safe to eat, no bigie if it is not I'll jut
pitch it. He just loves wild game. And does not itch on it.

The BF got a deer and gave me a whole leg with fur, are deer leg
bones too big for him to eat?? Are the hooves ok to feed I have ½ a
garbage bag of them? Are moose ribs too hard to eat??

I got a rabbit (fur on) form my buying group (calgaryraw.com (if
anyone in Alberta was looking for a buyers group)) they get the
rabbits from the same suppliers as the Calgary zoo is there anything
I have to worry about them. I was always raised that Rabbits are
dirty will make you sick, so if you eat them you have to boil them.
I know it's not true but I still have that stuck in my head and
wanted to double check.

PS I did check in the archives but wanted to be sure there was not
some type of rationalistic issue with the wild game.

Thanks so much for the help, And I hope that you all have a wonderful
New Year.

Christine and Morgan (PWD)
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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8b. Re: Wild game Question
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:35 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chriswiberg" <christinewiberg@...>
wrote:
>> I have no idea if they have been tested for CWD as well this last
> season was a horrid year for ticks

Hi Christine,
There is no evidence that CWD is transferable to dogs. There have
been no reports of wolves catching the disease either. So, i would
feed it without hesitation. I feed deer almost exclusively during
hunting season in Illinois and try to keep some in the freezer so i
can feed some throughout the year.

> The BF got a deer and gave me a whole leg with fur, are deer leg
> bones too big for him to eat?? Are the hooves ok to feed I have ½ a
> garbage bag of them?

For my dogs, 40 to 75lbs. the lower leg bone and the hoof are
completely edible. I remove the shoulder bone when it is stripped of
meat because they don't seem to make much progress on it after the
meat is gone. The hooves are a good keep em busy chew treat thing,
but aren't something to feed as a meal or take away food from the meal.

>I was always raised that Rabbits are
> dirty will make you sick, so if you eat them you have to boil them.
> I know it's not true but I still have that stuck in my head and
> wanted to double check.

Rabbits are fine to feed raw. If you are worried about parasites if
they are hunted/caught in the wild, you can freeze them for a couple
of weeks before feeding. KathyM

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9a. Re: Aggression with bone
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:19 pm ((PST))

Hi, Amanda!
Because of the volume of posts to the list, and its
narrower stated interest, any topic that asks for solutions that don't
involve raw feeding, or go Off Topic - gets directed to a sister list;
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4Ld6R4e4ehefahDf9wslCKNAFJoWwgTAgi6ek4Fc2qj8GUlu10ri9Gg0OT5NzRONbPAYTHseiC_YFx6czEDDbubu6Q_YFhL9GAo/Other%20related%20lists
*http://tinyurl.com/26243c

*Raw Feeding has an average post count of nearly 3,000 a month and over
10,000 members, it just makes sense sometimes to move a topic along to
another list. Sometimes us listers even remember to redirect ourselves. ; )

Raw Chat has more latitude to discuss topics that go slightly askew of
feeding raw or that may be peculiar to raw feeding but doesn't involve raw
directly. With a membership of about 1,700 and a post count on average of
650 a month, its a better forum for OT, but related raw subjects.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Jan 1, 2008 5:04 PM, A. <ols@charter.net> wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I apologize for posting the
> question, I didn't think it was OT at the time. What is Raw Chat? Is
> that a separate yahoo group?
>
> ~Amanda
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>

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10. Ground turkey from 2003...still okay?
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 3:34 pm ((PST))

Okay, I got some packaged ground turkey from a friend the other day,
and I got it out to thaw today, and I just noticed that the expiration
date said "Use or freeze by October 03"

Wow! Now THAT is old meat! The plastic over the top is expanded (like
there is a lot of trapped air in there. My husband and I differ on
whether or not to feed it to the dogs. He just ended the conversation
by saying "Okay, but I'm not cleaning up the pudding poops!" LOL

I wanted to go by smell, but since I know you veteran raw feeders have
fed some pretty nasty stuff to your dogs, smell isn't really the way to
go.

How do you know when old is too old? I mean, that was 4 years ago. :)
Anyone got a general cutoff between "OK" and "Throw Away"?

Thanks,

-Steph and the girls

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11a. Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I have ma
Posted by: "w453angel2000" w453angel@earthlink.net w453angel2000
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:37 pm ((PST))

I have been feeding raw for about 9 months now. I know there is a
lot of differing opinions about whether dogs need fruit and veggies,
so I'm not sure if I need to give them these or not. It seems like a
good idea to add more nutrition, since my dogs are mainly on a
chicken diet. I can get 10 lb bags of chicken leg quarters at Wallie
World for $4.70 and we go through a lot of those!

I have just pureed several fresh fuits and veggies and am wondering
how much I should feed of this stuff to my dogs and how often.

They eat raw meaty bones for every meal, twice a day, mainly chicken
leg quarters. They also get green tripe, whenever I work up enough
nerve to thaw out about a 20 lb whole thing and slice it up. (next
time I'm buying this nasty stuff cut up!)

I try to keep my GSD's lean, but not skinny, per my vet's
instructions. He says it's better for the bones of large dogs. I keep
a little more weight on my Springers and ACD. They all have a nice
cover to their ribs, but no one is fat. I feed my pregnant dog more,
so she looks a tad on the plump side, then she will get whatever meat
and bones it takes to keep her in good weight, when she's nursing.

Here's what's in the pureed mix, which is a huge amount. I will need
to freeze some and thaw as needed:

About 3 - 4 lbs of broccoli
1 large bag of fresh spinach
About 2 lbs of fresh green beans
3 zuchini squash
3 yellow squash
1 large butternut squash
6 large carrots
1 bunch of parsley
3 large Golden Delicious apples - cored
1 - 1 lb bag of Berry Medley (strawberries, blackberries,
blueberries, raspberries)
2 lbs of beef liver
1 1/3 cups of flax meal

Should I add or subtract anything from this mix? I'm thinking that
next time, I won't add the liver, just feed it separate.

After I put this in a bowl for each dog, I thought I would add 1 egg
with shells, 1 - 1,000 mg capsule of Omega 3 Fish Oil and for my
pregnant German Shepherd, 1 - 400 mcg tablet of Folic Acid.

Would 1 cup for the GSD's and 1/2 cup for everyone else, every other
day be good? Is this too much, or too little? Often enough or
should I feed it every day?

Here are the dogs that I have:

1 - Mia - Female English Springer Spaniel - 37 lbs - eats 1 chicken
leg quarter per day

2 - Snickers - Female English Springer Spaniel - 37 lbs - eats 1
chicken leg quarter per day

3 - Timo - Male German Shepherd - 95 lbs - eats 4 chicken leg
quarters per day

4 - Morgan - Female German Shepherd - 65 lbs - eats 2 chicken leg
quarters per day

5 - Jetta - Female German Shepherd - 65 lbs - eats 2 chicken leg
quarters per day

6 - Ellie - Female German Shepherd - 80 - 85 lbs - Pregnant - eats 4
chicken leg quarters per day

7 - Athena - Female German Shepherd - 70 lbs - eats 3 chicken leg
quarters per day

8 - Maddie - Female German Shepherd - 72 lbs - eats 1 1/2 chicken leg
quarters per day. Has HD so vet says to keep her lean, at about 72
lbs

9 - Sydney - Australian Cattle Dog - 35 - 40 lbs - eats 1 1/2 chicken
leg quarters per day

Thanks,
Tari Jolin

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11b. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:59 pm ((PST))

Tari,

You really need to rethink this diet...far too chicken and bony heavy and
lacking in red meat...especially for your pregnant gal. She needs the best
possible nutrition at this time and that would be lots and lots of red meat,
a little bone and organs. Fruits and veggies are not going to make up for
lack of meat.

So the answer to how much and how often to feed your fruit/veggie mix is
none, never! The only appropriate ingredient in that entire mess is liver
and of course that would be better fed unground!

I will let some of the breeders on the list correct me if I'm wrong, but I
don't think you want to supplement with folic acid. Just feed an
appropriate diet.

BTW, feeding fruits and veggies isn't opinion...carnivores eat large
ungulates consisting of lots and lots of red meat, a little edible bone and
organs. No fruits or veggies.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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11c. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 5:25 pm ((PST))

-----Original Message-----
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of w453angel2000
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:19 PM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] Advice needed on how much to feed of this
veggie-fruit mix I have made

I have just pureed several fresh fuits and veggies and am wondering
how much I should feed of this stuff to my dogs and how often.

#### YOU can eat it, YOU need it, carnivores derive ALL their nutrition
from the FLESH of animals that eat vegetation. If it was intended, they
would have different dentition and the appropriate enzymes in saliva to
break down the vegetation. See any wolves out there with blenders? ;-))

#### you may wish to consider once per day feedings. So much better for
them once they get over the first couple of days Pavlov's bell
expectations...mainly chicken is not the ideal diet. Look into getting
luscious lamb, goat, pork...also, I don't see where the liver or organs are.
As wonderful as tripe is to them, kind of like candy for us, it really is
not a necessary dietary staple.

### good advice. A lean dog is a healthier dog, just like people.. :-))

Here's what's in the pureed mix, which is a huge amount. I will need
to freeze some and thaw as needed:

#### YIKES!!! no no no...root veggies aren't even that great for us...NO
veggies, except as an occasional treat. Dogs are not 'little people'. They
are predators, wolves. Feed them as they are meant to eat and revel in how
simple this really is. Oh yes, there is the liver though. Feed that in
small amounts to start, maybe once or twice per week.

Should I add or subtract anything from this mix? I'm thinking that
next time, I won't add the liver, just feed it separate.

### keep the liver. Flax is a grain, WRONG!

After I put this in a bowl for each dog, I thought I would add 1 egg
with shells, 1 - 1,000 mg capsule of Omega 3 Fish Oil and for my
pregnant German Shepherd, 1 - 400 mcg tablet of Folic Acid.

### large, fleshy, succulent meaty bones or carcasses, assorted organs,
eggs, fish..wonderful....eliminate veggies...focus on meaty bones. Omega 3
is fabulous though if feeding commercial meats. I am unsure about Folic
Acid ...others can chip in...

please read all the myth links here at

http://rawfed.com/myths

Chia & Ricco

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12. Caught some good prices!
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 4:37 pm ((PST))

2 pks Chicken gizzards and hearts 1 for 79 cents the other for 96 cents
Turkey necks for $2.18
Turkey sausage for $1.69

Is the sausage ok? Or should we just eat it?

If we should eat it and not the dogs I'll make it tomorrow.

Kathy in MO

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13. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I...
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 5:00 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 1/1/2008 4:37:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
w453angel@earthlink.net writes:

It seems like a
good idea to add more nutrition, since my dogs are mainly on a
chicken diet. I can get 10 lb bags of chicken leg quarters at Wallie
World for $4.70 and we go through a lot of those!

Tari,

Your raw feeding $$$ would be far better used to find other affordable meats
and organs. chickens are cheap and make your raw feeding $$$ go further,but
they are far from ideal prey animals.

i find pork parts, often quite large parts for less than $1 lb on sale. Just
this week i found whole pork legs on sale in 2 different grocery stores, one
for $.99 lb and the other store had them for $.57 lb. I bought 100 lbs at the
second store..

organ meats are cheap and only need to be a small part of the diet, but a
VERY necessary part. At the hispanic and asian grocery stores in my area i can
almost always find beef liver, kidneys, and spleens for less than $1 lb, and
sometimes i even find sweetbreads, but they aren't as cheap. Same goes for pork
organs, depending on the store, they are less expensive than the beef organs.

grinding up veggies is a grand waste of your money and your time. Dogs are
CARNIVORES. their entire digestive system is geared towards getting the most
nutrition from meat and bones and organs. And they just aren't equiped
properly for digesting plant material. Even ground up and/or steamed or beaten into
submission will not make them any more bio-available to your dogs.

Catherine R.

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