[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12444

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Hooved animals?
From: homesforallpets

2.1. Re: worms
From: homesforallpets
2.2. Re: worms
From: carnesbill
2.3. Re: worms
From: costrowski75

3. Hooved animals/balance
From: Jane Boswell

4a. Re: Feed raw rib bone or not?
From: Chia

5a. Re: Pork Neck bones
From: Cheryl Younesi
5b. Re: Pork Neck bones
From: Cathy
5c. Re: Pork Neck bones
From: costrowski75
5d. Re: Pork Neck bones
From: katkellm

6a. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: carnesbill
6b. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: claudia
6c. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: Lisa Blair
6d. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: costrowski75
6e. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: costrowski75
6f. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Amounts for a puppy
From: oldbones929@alltel.net
7b. Amounts for a puppy
From: carnesbill

8a. Re: expertise
From: Belinda van de Loo
8b. Re: expertise
From: costrowski75

9a. Switch of Feeding now eating other dogs poops
From: debwilbers
9b. Re: Switch of Feeding now eating other dogs poops
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: Feed raw rib bone or not? Help Me Chris:)
From: costrowski75

11a. Re: eadible bones in pork
From: costrowski75

12. Lola
From: rolypolyloly

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1a. Re: Hooved animals?
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:53 am ((PST))

> I read thru a link here someplace that raw feeding dogs is any large
> hooved animal..and chicken, rabbits, fish, and such aren't hooved.
How
> does one conclude that chickens and such are ok? Just wondering..I
> give my Maltese meaty raw chicken thighs, and it seems like many
> people here give lots of other meats other than 'hooved' meats.
>

LOL, the way to know if it is ok is to think if a wolf might be able
to get and eat one in the wild. At least that is what I am hearing
(do I need my "ears" checked lol?). For instance rabbits. They are
available in the wild in nearly every country there are wolves,
abundantly so. Howmany times have you seen a dog or cat catch and
eat wild rabbits? Of course they are ok to feed :) As to poultry
they are harder to catch live than any grounded animal but from time
to time they do get caught and ate by wild dogs/wolves so I do not
see it being bad to feed them after all they are all meat under neath
right? Dogs eat meat right? So no problems :P

Kathy in MO

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2.1. Re: worms
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:53 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Gaye Amick" <northernskychar@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm still researching...Yes, still....I was brought up with the
idea if
> a dog was feed raw food or raw bones they could get worms??? Can
this
> happen from feeding some raw foods? How can I prevent it from
> happening?? What foods to avoid that are known to cause worms?
What'll
> I do if it does???
>
> Thanks for all your help.
> Gaye
>

Every kibble fed dog I have ever seen has to be dewormed regularly.
It comes from infected animal feces. You can bring it in on your
shoes from what I understand. A raw fed dog will be healthier and
more resistant also less inviting to these pests. They tend to
establish better in the slow moving guts of kibble fed animals. BIG
reason I am working hard to get my cats switched too. I know they'll
eat furred mice and rats so I am seeking breeding animals of both
kinds to raise my own as it would be cheaper than ordering from a
site though I may order some to get started until I have a supply of
self raised ones.

The myth that all ills are caused by raw are untrue. Anything that
can happen to a raw fed dog happens more often to a kibble fed dog.

Kathy in MO (a True convert, yea!)

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2.2. Re: worms
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:39 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Gaye Amick"
<northernskychar@...> wrote:
>
> I'm still researching...Yes, still....I was brought up with the
> idea if a dog was feed raw food or raw bones they could
> get worms???

Any animal including humans CAN get worms. Doesn't mean they do.
My present dogs have never had worms and my other dogs never had
worms after switching them to raw.

> Can this happen from feeding some raw foods?

I suppose it can but I can't give you an incidence that it has.

> How can I prevent it from happening??

If you are really concerned about it, you could freeze your food for
a couple of weeks to kill any parasites in it. Most of what I feed
is frozen simply because I buy in large quanities. They eat a lot
of meat that I don't freeze.

> What foods to avoid that are known to cause worms?

None

> What'll I do if it does???

It doesn't.

Worms caused by raw feeding just isn't a concern. Find something
else to worry about because this isn't a worry.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2.3. Re: worms
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:44 am ((PST))

"Gaye Amick" <northernskychar@...> wrote:
>
> I'm still researching...Yes, still....I was brought up with the idea
if
> a dog was feed raw food or raw bones they could get worms???
*****
You might want to browse the list archives! There are some 30+ posts
already sent and answered that address this issue. If you are not
already a member of Yahoogroups, there are at the bottom of each
rawfeeding email you receive instructions for joining Yahoogroups.

The short answer is no worms, no worries. For longer answers the list
archives are your friend.
Chris O

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3. Hooved animals/balance
Posted by: "Jane Boswell" famtimes@blazenetme.net famtimes2001
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:53 am ((PST))

Hi there,

I haven't posted for a while. The number one
question seems always to be "balance". I used
to be worried, worried, worried. After about
5 years now, however, and introducing a pup
to raw, I don't give it much thought any more.
Both my Belgian Shepherds are thriving.
The 'pup' is now 18 months and in glowing
good health. Great conformation coat, wonderful
teeth, excellent muscle tone, great energy and drive.
My older boy - 5.5 years - has clean teeth, great
(albeit neutered) coat, healthy joints and energy to keep up with
the youngster. They both have great 'breath'.

I look for sale items and gladly take what hunter
friends and others give me out of their surpluses.
I shamelessly advertise my need far and wide. (grin)

The only thing I avoid is large bones as I don't
need any cracked teeth - my preference not the
dogs'.

After a while, it's becomes second nature and you
don't have to constantly think about it. I know what
I've given them today and I pull out something
different from the freezer for tomorrow. A couple
of times a week I throw in an organic egg or two
and organs.

I know there is much debate about supplements, but
I do give my boys fish oil caps, weekly vitamin E, daily
kelp and alfalfa and vitamin C a few times a week. They
also get a couple of hours of exercise each day and
weekly brushing.

My homeopathic/holistic/RMB fan vet is very pleased
with the results and she would let me know if she
had any worries.

Jane in Maine
waiting for MORE snow... too much this year... stop already

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4a. Re: Feed raw rib bone or not?
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:56 am ((PST))

What risks are there with raw rib bones? What bones are best, better
in your opinion?

#### I LOVE pork rib bones. I get MASSIVE slabs of them for cheap and
Ricco loves them!

Chia & Ricco

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5a. Re: Pork Neck bones
Posted by: "Cheryl Younesi" CYounesi@mac.com cyounesi
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:29 am ((PST))

I started to get some pork necks but they were cut up. They were very
meaty. My dogs weigh 3 lbs. and 6 lbs. Are the bones cut up too small
for them?
Cheryl

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5b. Re: Pork Neck bones
Posted by: "Cathy" batcathy@sbcglobal.net batcathy2002
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:49 am ((PST))

i use them for my 10 lb'ers......just watch as some have sliver cuts and those i remove.
Cathy

C Richmond
Battle Creek, MI

www.lesmarcresteds.com

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5c. Re: Pork Neck bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:48 am ((PST))

Cheryl Younesi <CYounesi@...> wrote:
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> I started to get some pork necks but they were cut up
*****
Even for small dogs get the bigger bones. Let your dogs work on the
nooks and crannies.

They were very
> meaty.
*****
Probably they weren't but for small dogs the effort involved in
removing whatever meat there is is the big deal.
Chris O

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5d. Re: Pork Neck bones
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:11 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl Younesi <CYounesi@...> wrote:
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> I started to get some pork necks but they were cut up. They were very
> meaty. My dogs weigh 3 lbs. and 6 lbs. Are the bones cut up too small
> for them?

Hi Cheryl,
I would say probably not, because you have very small dogs. Pork neck
bones present two problems, lack of meat, which can be balanced by
adding meat to the meal, and, depending on the size of the dog, the
way the butcher cuts them up into pitifully small hunks. I have
largish dogs, and i have never found pork neck bones from the grocery
store that i am comfortable feeding. If i had small dogs and if i
knew that my dogs eating style did not lend itself to gulping and
swallowing, i would feed the store ones to them. Too small is
determined by the size of the dogs. How safe is determined, i feel, by
the eating style of the dog. If your dogs aren't gulpers, cut neck
bones are probably ok in this respect also. I feed whole neck bones
from the slaughter house because i have large dogs, and they love
them. So, its kinda a know thy dog thing because if varies from dog
to dog. KathyM

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6a. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:06 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jordan_spiva" <jordan_spiva@...>
wrote:
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> Will my dog be getting
> everything he needs from those whole prey animals only?

Hey Jordan,
Why do you insist on feeding your dogs snake food(tiny little
animals)? Rodentpro may have the best prices for these little
animals but if you figure the price/lb, they are VERY expensive.
Yes, your dogs will be healthy if thses little animals are what
makes up their diet. I just don't know why you want to. What size
are your dogs?

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6b. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "claudia" claudia_homer@yahoo.com claudia_homer
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:38 am ((PST))

Good morning,

Just wondering how they kill all those little critters! ~ Claudia

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jordan_spiva" <jordan_spiva@...>
wrote:
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> I visited rodentpro.com. They have the BEST prices. It's a snake feed
place and they also
> stock whole carcasess of guinea pigs,rabbits,quail,and chicks. Will
my dog be getting
> everything he needs from those whole prey animals only?
>
> asked by Jordan Spiva
>

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6c. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "Lisa Blair" lkblair@yahoo.com lkblair
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:26 am ((PST))

Most places that sell pre-killed small prey humanely euthanize with CO2.

For folks looking at small prey to feed, I would suggest that you check locally for folks that sell to reptile fanciers.

Lisa

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To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 10:14:38 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.

Good morning,

Just wondering how they kill all those little critters! ~ Claudia

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6d. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:00 am ((PST))

"jordan_spiva" <jordan_spiva@...> wrote:
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> I visited rodentpro.com. They have the BEST
***** It's a snake feed place and they also
> stock whole carcasess of guinea pigs,rabbits,quail,and chicks. Will
my dog be getting
> everything he needs from those whole prey animals only?
>
> asked by Jordan Spiva
>

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6e. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:39 am ((PST))

"jordan_spiva" <jordan_spiva@...> wrote:>
> I visited rodentpro.com. They have the BEST prices.
*****
Okay, take two.

They don't have the best prices if you can't buy to fill a box and
you factor in shipping. I would have to buy my cats many hundred
mice to make RodentPro an affordable source. And of course for my
big dogs it's not at all practical.

they also
> stock whole carcasess of guinea pigs,rabbits,quail,and chicks. Will
my dog be getting
> everything he needs from those whole prey animals only?
*****
These are small critters. What sort of dogs do you have that you can
feed small critters to? How many dogs do you have to justify the
quantity RodentPro demands? How much money can you spend?

Any one of these critters--all of them over time--can be useful in
the diet of a domestic wolf. But your domestic wolf should also be
eating ungulates; your domestic wolf's menu should mostly be
ungulates, especially ruminants. In the real world, small prey would
be occasional and usually seasonal. However, being able to feed
whole prey is not an opportunity to dismiss.

I suggest trying the largest of RodentPro's product, as relates to
the size of your dog. Choosing wisely and feeding a varied menu that
includes these critters as well as beef, lamb, goat, venison et al
should make life interesting for a small dog. If these animals are
too small for your dog, you remove the effort factor. Swallowing
small prey whole (as a reptile would do) does provide the bones and
the meat and the organs in perfect relationship with each other, but
food is also about dental and mental hygiene and good old fun.

Another concern (Casey and I were just discussing this issue
yesterday, no fooling!) is the quality of product. These critters,
produced as they are in huge volumes, are fed formulized diets that
are created to be "nutritionally complete and balanced"--just as dog
food is--with strict economies that definitely depend on dubious
ingredients. Paying dearly for critters fed foodlike substances may
be a higher price than the concept is worth, especially if your
intention is to rely completely on factory livestock.

Also keep in mind that these animals are usually raised to standards
that best nourish reptiles, not your dog. I seriously doubt the mice
are being fed food that's species appropriate for mice. Which means
you may feed whole prey but your dog's nutritional needs may not be
met.

Chris O

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6f. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:50 am ((PST))

"claudia" <claudia_homer@...> wrote:
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> Just wondering how they kill all those little critters!
*****
Probably CO2. You could go to the website and look around. Reputable
sources (and RodentPro is) will say.
Chris O

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7a. Re: Amounts for a puppy
Posted by: "oldbones929@alltel.net" oldbones929@alltel.net oldbones929
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:12 am ((PST))

I started ginding the chicken, etc. for my dogs after I lost an Irish Wolfhound to aspiration pneumonia after feeding a meal of chicken necks. He and my other dogs had been eating raw for a few years and I'll never take that chance again, so I grind.

Jennifer

> *****
> Um, I'm not sure where you've been but I don't think it's to the list
> archives. Ground meat is not necessary; even a pup can--and should--
> be working on whole meats; and chicken necks are not snacks, they're
> basic food, albeit pretty small and meatless. For a small dog, for a
> small dog puppy, and for cats they may be useful, at least for a
> while, but they're not the only bones available to pups. Bones with
> meat, like rib-in chicken breasts and quail are quite nice. Snacks?
> I don't think so.
>
>

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7b. Amounts for a puppy
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:12 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, <oldbones929@...> wrote:
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> I started ginding the chicken, etc. for my dogs after I lost an
Irish Wolfhound to aspiration pneumonia after feeding a meal of
chicken necks.

Jennifer,
What makes you think chicken necks caused the asperation pneumonia?
I don't see how that could happen. Large dogs usually swallow
pieces of meat/bones larger than chicken necks in the normal course
of eating. I know probably every swallow my Great Danes make are
larger pieces than a chicken neck. I think what happened to your
dog would have happened regardless of what he was eating whether
whole animal parts or ground or kibble. I don't think you are doing
anything to lessen the chance of it happening again simply by
grinding the food. It was just one of those freak things that
happen from time to time. If you had a toy dog that had choked on a
chicken neck, it would he something else but a chicken neck is a
well chewed piece of meat/bone to a Wolfhound.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8a. Re: expertise
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com auntielindyloo
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:12 am ((PST))

One key question here would be regarding the other chemical influences,
specifically vaccinations. Has your dog been vaccinated in the past 6
months? My dog reacted specifically to vaccination via his immune
system and resulted in a lot of "itchies" and ear probs.
He has since steered clear of any and all vaccinations and Frontline-
type applications and has been fine. He had a homeopathic remedy
against vaccinosis and is healthy now.
So, my question would be if your dog has been vaccinated or any
chemicals applied for fleas/heartworm, etc. They could be the culprits.
Belinda

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8b. Re: expertise
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:57 am ((PST))

ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN

People aren't paying attention again! Must be the season. Please take
all discussion of non-diet related allergy issues to RawChat, DogHealth
or private. The range of possibilities is far too broad to cover on
this list.
Chris O
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9a. Switch of Feeding now eating other dogs poops
Posted by: "debwilbers" debwilbers@yahoo.com debwilbers
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:13 am ((PST))

I have 3 dogs, 2 GSDs and a Lhasa Apso all females. The older GSD
Teah 5yrs has been after the other dogs poops. My GSD Tessa 1 1/2 has
EPI and is on Kibble-Orijen White Fish & Potatoe, plus she gets the
Pancreatin Enzyme. Rascal-Lhasa Apso is all Raw and my oldest GSD
gets Kibble in the morning and Raw at night.

My older GSD (5 YRS) has been after the Tessas & Rascals poop, she
has never done anything like this before. I did switch Teah my older
GSD to one cup of Kibble in the morning w1/4 cup of cottage cheese or
yogurt/Kiefer and some pureed veges and she does get Raw for her
evening meal. I think I'm giving her the correct ratios of feeding
but now not so sure now.

For Teah: The raw is either Turkery/Vennison/or Hamburger w/about 4-5
ounces of Chicken Necks or Chicken Thighs/Legs which is ground up
along with veges - she gets a total of 15 ounces at dinner.
Supplements are - 1 Glucosamine-/1 Vita E/1 Carlsons Fish oil - she
gets these with each meal.

I am hoping someone can give me some answers/opinions. I always
heard that if your dog is going after another dogs poop then they are
lacking in nutrition.

Why would why my older GSD be going after the other 2 dogs Poop? Is
it becasue I'm feeding Kibble for one meaal and have her ratios
messed up on her raw feeding?

Thanks
Debbie
Teah, Tessa, Rascal

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9b. Re: Switch of Feeding now eating other dogs poops
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:07 am ((PST))

"debwilbers" <debwilbers@...> wrote:
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> I have 3 dogs, 2 GSDs and a Lhasa Apso all females. The older GSD
> Teah 5yrs has been after the other dogs poops.
*****
Debbie, what you need to do is get your dogs off kibble and fully on
whole raw meats, meaty bones and organs. You can ditch the veggies
and all the other inappropriate foods you are feeding, and you can
pare down the supplements to what really matter. And you won't have
a clue as to what supps really matter until you start feeding healthy
real food.

Start at the beginning. Simplify. Poop eating may or may not be
related to diet but feeding a healthier menu is how you can begin to
find out. Poop eating can also be a learned behavior and it can be a
symptom of vaccinosis. And it may be because the poop of other dogs
tastes good. Who the heck am I to say different?

When you are feeding the best species appropriate diet you can, poop
eating may just not be so rewarding. Besides, it's almost always
benign, although surely disgusting.
Chris O

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10a. Re: Feed raw rib bone or not? Help Me Chris:)
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:27 am ((PST))

"Betty" <prismkitten@...> wrote:
>> I don't know what he can do with one bone as opposed to an attached
> couple of bones? I do throw the rib bones away once he's cleaned
them.
> It takes him all day to do that..so if he had more than one, it
would
> be several days of cleaning the attached bones.
*****
If it takes your guy a whole day to pick clean a single rib, and at
the end of the day if the bone is bare naked but generally unscarred,
there's probably little likelihood he'll bust a tooth. But it could
happen.

Breaking teeth on hard bones and trying to swallow that which should
not be swallowed are the risks IMO, although constipation is possible
and even impacted bone, but that's pretty rare--practically a fluke.
Those are the things you watch out for. But you know your guy
better'n we do. It may simply be that those of us with big dogs are
applying our experiences inappropriately.

> What risks are there with raw rib bones? What bones are best, better
> in your opinion?
*****
I prefer to feed body parts that are meaty enough and big enough and
complicated enough to act as teeth cleaners as well as food. I
generally do not hand out chew bones. Pork necks might be useful for
you. For my 30lb dog, a whole lamb shank provides a lovely meaty
meal and some high quality bone action. For my big Lab, a leg of
lamb might be required (if I can afford it) or a bone-in pork
shoulder roast.

Occasionally I will give my dogs whole cow feet to work on. These
take several hours to dismantle to bare bone condition. But if a rib
bone takes all day for your dog, you certainly don't need cow feet to
keep him amused!
Chris O

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11a. Re: eadible bones in pork
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:58 am ((PST))

"atmanandadevotee" <atmanandadevotee@...> wrote:
> what are eadible bones in pork ?
*****
Depending on the dog, all pork bones are edible. Big dogs will
generally be able to eat more of the bones than small dogs, and of
course the youngsters, the seniors and those with poor teeth or weak
jaws will be able to eat fewer bones. But every pork bone is useful,
somehow, one way or another.

what are wreck bones in pork ?
*****
Theoretically none. But that doesn't stop reality from stepping in.
The only guarantees are death and taxes, no? In most cases though,
commercial pork bones (coming from very young pigs) are not
considered wreck bones. Logically you would want to match your dog's
ability to the meaty bones you feed.

> I just bought half a pork and would like to know what let them eat
or
> not ?
*****
Unless the half is from a cantankerous old sow or boar, you should be
able feed all parts of a pig to your dogs. They'll eat what they
want and leave what they don't want or can't eat.
Chris O

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12. Lola
Posted by: "rolypolyloly" einafets83@gmail.com rolypolyloly
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 11:10 am ((PST))

Hi everyone...
I've been feeding raw meaty bones to my Lola, a 6 year-old German
Shepard/golden retriever mix, for just over a week now. Her first meal
my husband splurged and bought her a t-bone steak. She loved it. She
didn't hesitate in taking that or the chicken quarters we've since
been feeding her all this week. When you ask her if she is "hungry"
she gets so excited! Any time I get into the fridge she thinks it is
for her.
Lola weighs 74 lbs. This is her "ideal" weight. She could gain or
lose a pound without problems, but she looks good and is toned in all
the right spots. If I feed 2-3% her ideal weight, which is recommended
by most of you, I'll be feeding her about 1.5 to 2.2lbs of food a day.
I feed her once in the morning and once in the evening. I split the
total weight between the two meals.

I have several questions. Please feel free to answer one or all of
them. I will even number them for ease of following along and replying.

1. I understand that all poultry bones, pork, lamb, and goat bones are
okay to feed. What about beef bones? Are those okay? We did give her
the t-bone, and she had no problems with it. Was it wrong to give her
a t-bone steak? What about rodents like guinea pigs? (I'd really just
like to make myself a list of bones NOT to feed) What about necks?
Some of you say they are a chocking hazard and never to feed bones
like turkey necks, while others say do feed them these.

2. In the beginning, most of you say to start with something simple
and bland like chicken leg quarters. We have done this, but by doing
so, she is getting bone with every meal. I've read that dogs only need
about 10% (just a guide I understand) of bone a week, but is it okay
for her to eat the bone every meal?

3. I think I read somewhere that dogs don't need all the fat, which
makes sense, so I've been cutting it off. I've also been cutting off
all of the skin too. Do I need to do this or is it nutritious in any
way? What about fur? If I were to buy her a guinea pig, as suggested
in one post I read, do I need to skin it?

4. Lola's meals so far have been pretty easy for her to manage. If we
were to give her something, a goat leg for example, that she didn't
finish in one meal, how is best to save it? Should I wrap it up and
put it back in the fridge or freezer or just leave it out for her to
gnaw on? She'll know best when she's hungry, I'm sure, but I really
don't want her to eat all day long. What do you do?

5. How do you feed vegetables? I give her whole carrots and vegetables
I eat with dinner, but it is really because she begs. I can't say no
to that little face and those eyes! How do I get the most nutrition
out of fruits and veggies for her? Besides grapes, onion, and avocado,
are there any fruits and veggies that she should NOT eat? She won't
touch bananas or lettuce. Are there any fruits and vegetables that are
particularly good for her?

6. She is also getting yogurt, which she loves, beans, and has had an
egg. Any other protein rich sources that you feed your furry kids?

7. We bought a salmon fillet and gave it to her, but she just spit it
out and looked at us like we were stupid. We did get her to eat it,
but she did not want to. Maybe she just doesn't like salmon. I don't.
Is canned tuna okay to give her? Does it have the same health
benefits as a whole fish? Is there another fish that your dogs enjoy

Thanks in advance for all of your advice. Happy New Year!
-Stefanie (Lola's stomach thanks you too.)

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