[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12435

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: meat from china
From: Laurie Swanson
1b. Re: meat from china
From: Caren OConnor
1c. Re: meat from china
From: homesforallpets
1d. Re: meat from china
From: Debi C

2. re e coli
From: tantelin22@aol.com

3. our new Great Dane puppy
From: Becky Brooks (Marsh)

4. quail
From: killarneykateau

5a. Re: pro-raw vets
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

6a. Re: Chew Toys etc
From: homesforallpets

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1a. Re: meat from china
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:13 am ((PST))

I would love to hear if anyone knows anything about this, too. I was
recently looking at meat from a goat ranch here in the US and they make
a point on their web site about it being domestic and allude to bad
things being done elsewhere. I haven't looked into it any further yet.

Thanks,

Laurie

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1b. Re: meat from china
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:24 am ((PST))

Laurie -
I sometimes order rabbit in bulk and saw on the box that the origination was China. I don't have conclusive evidence that this is bad for my dogs, but, erring on the side of caution, I've not bought rabbit like that since. I would also appreciate if anyone has evidence that this meat is safe for our dogs. Where would one find this information, anyway?
Just as an aside, a friend of ours is a waterman. He shared of the chemicals into which certain seafood is dipped in order to extend shelf life. He also said this is regularly being done by food retailers to foods we buy. I suppose we can't rest assured that our meat is any safer than the imported meats.
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote:
I would love to hear if anyone knows anything about this, too. I was
recently looking at meat from a goat ranch here in the US and they make
a point on their web site about it being domestic and allude to bad
things being done elsewhere. I haven't looked into it any further yet.

Thanks,

Laurie

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1c. Re: meat from china
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:21 am ((PST))

> Hello-I noticed inexpensive rabbit and lamb today at my neighborhood
independent grocery store (Chicago, USA). I live in an area with a big
immigrant population. Both packages said that the meat was "made in
China."

Remember the pet food recall not that long ago? Most the ingredients
came from China and other overseas places. Support USA raised
Rabbit. Got to www.arba.net and look up breeders in your area. Many
ARBA members are willing to sell to raw feeders. I also know there
are several Meat breeders in Illinois.

Kathy in MO

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1d. Re: meat from china
Posted by: "Debi C" dcole6@satx.rr.com scarlet_debi
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:25 am ((PST))

This may sound like a predjudiced answer, but right now I wouldn't buy
a battery that was made in china much less food for my loved ones.

Two years ago several hundred American horses died from contaminated
food. Then we got the same thing in our Dog and Cat food. I recently
read that their own people were haveing problems with these issues in
their homeland.

They have a very poor inspection system for exporting food. There's a
big thing right now on the Chicken tenders dog chewies.

I know we don't feed these things, but it has certainly made me very
leary of any food product from China or anywhere else.

We have lots of American and Canadian Farmers who are trying to make a
go of it. I'm just going to buy American. We have 2 sayings down here
in Texas. One is that you get what you pay for and the other is If it
seems too good to be true, it probably is.

Debi, 2 Jacks and an App.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Amy T" <amypatriciatracy@...> wrote:
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> Hello-I noticed inexpensive rabbit and lamb today at my neighborhood
independent grocery store (Chicago, USA). I live in an area with a big
immigrant population. Both packages said that the meat was "made in
China." I'm wondering if there is any meat from any country that we
should avoid purchasing? I was just thinking that perhaps China
wouldn't have the same standards, ie .. human grade, given their
recent issues. Thanks a bunch ... I'm learning so much from you all!
Amy (and Rosie)
>

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2. re e coli
Posted by: "tantelin22@aol.com" tantelin22@aol.com tantelindar
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:14 am ((PST))

She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago proving that raw
fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh, but kibble fed dogs don't.

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I haven't seen any studies, but E.coli is an intestinal bacteria; shedding
it in feces is biologically normal. And I imagine most of us are bright
enough to wash our hands after cleaning up after our dogs. And most of our dogs
aren't allowed to walk around the house after having rolled in their own
waste, so the risk of exposure seems vanishingly rare as long as one comes from a
planet that has soap and water.

There are something like 10,000 different species of E.coli but only five
can make humans sick and only one, 0157:H7, regularly kills.

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3. our new Great Dane puppy
Posted by: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:32 am ((PST))

HI everyone! Wanted to let you know that the puppy we bought on
Christmas eve and brought home 2 days ago has taken to raw feeding
immediately. I was worried that I would have to transition her over
from kibble slowly since she's already 7 months old, but she knew
exactly what to do with the chicken leg quarters and absolutley loves
them! She even eats very neatly in the kitchen, unlike my other dogs!
Thanks for all who responded - your advice was much appreciated.
Becky Brooks PS: Her distended tummy was due to worms and being
overweight, so that's being taken care of!

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4. quail
Posted by: "killarneykateau" catherin@vicnet.net.au killarneykateau
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:32 am ((PST))

I came across a butcher that sells packages of frozen quail for human consumption. Would
they be okay for my 15 kilo shih-tzu X maltese? She usually eats chicken carcasses, rabbit,
lamb shanks. Thanks for the help recently in getting her settled with rabbits, by the way.
Catherine

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5a. Re: pro-raw vets
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:10 am ((PST))

+++MOd note: please take this discussion off list. +++++++

Re: Antibiotics are rarely given. (to chickens)....

WHAT!!!!????

Can we PLEASE stick to information about feeding and, unless specific
sources are referenced, not be promoting factory farmed meat? AND, please, there
ARE issues merit consideration...after all...would we want OUR animals treated
the way food-destined animals are treated for the "cheap?"

I do my best to balance my dog's needs against my ethical values and it's
tough at best, especially on a very limited budget. But I don't make excuses
for my decisions and try to talk myself out of what I know about where the
food-animals come from.

And finally, just because something's "illegal" doesn't mean it's not
happening. Sorry. And companies that work to promote responsible animal husbandry
and encourage buyers to support that deserve to say so.

errgggghhhh

Carol

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6a. Re: Chew Toys etc
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:37 am ((PST))

> And what are some healthy appropriate toys for her especially for
> chewing while teething? What have you had positive experiences with
> in the toy department? Nylabones, Kongs etc.
>
> TIA
> Callista
>

My dogs are 4 and 5 months old. They get squeeky toys (rubber),
nylabones (the smaller dog) and rope toys. Do not give rawhide, VERY
risky. Avoid smoked bones (they splinter). And nothing that is
cloth based unless you take it away when you are not wtching them.
Be sure to check toys for damage everyday and throw away ones tht
make you think the pup might swallow them. I also give tennis ball
just a bit bigger than the dog's mouths. They can't swallow them
that way. Of course with puppies you have to watch for time to get
bigger ones as they grow.

Have fun with your new addition!

Kathy in MO
Angel & Holly - dogs Oreo & Turquoise - cats

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