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Saturday, December 29, 2007

[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12429

There are 27 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: meal recipes
From: Brandi Bryant
1b. Re: meal recipes
From: Andrea
1c. Re: meal recipes
From: rosey031801
1d. Re: meal recipes
From: Darjeelingirl
1e. Re: meal recipes
From: Sandee Lee
1f. Re: meal recipes
From: Patty Linden
1g. Re: meal recipes
From: Sandee Lee
1h. Re: meal recipes
From: costrowski75
1i. Re: meal recipes
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: How much poop should I expect?
From: jennifer_hell
2b. Re: How much poop should I expect?
From: jennifer_hell

3a. Re: Real poodles eat RMB!
From: mom2moz
3b. Re: Real poodles eat RMB!
From: Karen Ditton

4. Diagnosis Pancreatitis
From: Ethel Settler

5a. Starting to eat
From: Jean
5b. Re: Starting to eat
From: Sandee Lee
5c. Re: Starting to eat
From: Karen Ditton
5d. Re: Starting to eat
From: mozookpr

6a. Weekly Routine for Adult Border Collie
From: swayzepetsitting
6b. Re: Weekly Routine for Adult Border Collie
From: Chia

7a. skin/fat on pork shoulder
From: marge
7b. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder
From: carnesbill
7c. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder
From: Laurie Swanson
7d. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. Hi everyone!
From: Betty
8b. Re: Hi everyone!
From: Heather

9a. Re: Turkey backs
From: Morledzep@aol.com


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1a. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:46 pm ((PST))

>>>Chicken, beef, organs etc. Chicken one meal, Beef the next???? Are
veggies added to each meat meal or is it a seperate meal??? <<<

Hi Gaye,

Veggies aren't part of the prey model diet that we feed.

>>>The only thing I THINK I know is organ meat is only given once maybe
twice a week. Correct???<<<

10% of organs is the max on organs. You give them to much organs and it can
cause diaherra. I pick a day and give organs that day...like on Sundays....

Good luck
Brandi


On 12/28/07, Gaye Amick <northernskychar@netzero.com> wrote:
>
> I'm still gather information and would like to get some basic meal
> ideas. Not so much amounts as contents.
>
> Chicken, beef, organs etc. Chicken one meal, Beef the next???? Are
> veggies added to each meat meal or is it a seperate meal???
>
> The only thing I THINK I know is organ meat is only given once maybe
> twice a week. Correct???
>
> Gaye
>
>
>

--
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok


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1b. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:51 pm ((PST))

The early meals are super duper easy. For my 60lb dogs it was a
chicken quarter each day for a week or so. Adding in too many proteins
too quickly generally causes digestive upset. After you know your pup
is ok on chicken it is ok to go onto another protein. Feed whole parts
as often as you can. I feed a hunk of organs when I remember to do so,
you could feed a tiny bit every day if you wanted to, or every week
etc. Organ only makes up around 10% of the diet. No veggies needed.
It's all much easier than you think at first, really.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Gaye Amick" <northernskychar@...>
wrote:

> Chicken, beef, organs etc. Chicken one meal, Beef the next???? Are
> veggies added to each meat meal or is it a seperate meal???
>
> The only thing I THINK I know is organ meat is only given once maybe
> twice a week. Correct???


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1c. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:48 pm ((PST))

I can only speak for myself. This is what I give my dog...
He's about 27 lbs...
One chicken leg quarter a day.
About once a week I give him something different, like beef kidney or
beef liver or fish or turkey or eggs. 6 out of 7 days he gets his
chicken. A real treat for him is beef roast. I give him NO veggies! I
give him ground meat as frozen burger shaped chunks if I go out of
town. At first i only gave chicken for the first month, then I tried
other things. He is healthier and happier than ever.
Oh by the way, I have a great switch story. I have been trying to
convince my friend who has an 18 year old beagle to switch. She got
tired of me nagging, and cleaning up diarrhea so she gave it a try. NO
diarrhea for two weeks now. He is doing great. One chicken leg quarter
a day!!!
Amazing!
Cheryl

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1d. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "Darjeelingirl" darjeelingirl@comcast.net zoookeeeper
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:54 pm ((PST))

>>Overall the diet is going to consist of lots and lots of red meat (up to
>>80%), 10% edible bones and 10% organs. No veggies!


This may be a dumb question, but a vegan must ask ;-) Is raw chicken
considered red meat? I'm thinking not, but chicken is the number one
ingredient for new rawbies, so I'm a wonderin'.

thanks,

Patsy

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1e. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:08 pm ((PST))

Nope it's not! The only reason it is recommended is because it's cheap,
easy to find and generally easily digestible with nice soft bones for new
dogs. Other than that, if you never fed chicken you'd be a lot closer to
species appropriate diet! And that's why we recommend moving on and adding
red meat and other proteins as soon as the dog is ready.

The natural diet of a carnivore consists of large ungulates...all red meat
and lots of it! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Darjeelingirl" <darjeelingirl@comcast.net>

> This may be a dumb question, but a vegan must ask ;-) Is raw chicken
> considered red meat? I'm thinking not, but chicken is the number one
> ingredient for new rawbies, so I'm a wonderin'.

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1f. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:30 pm ((PST))

Sandee--I am confused about this. I understand how important red meat is in the diet, but if one never feeds chicken, where does the 10% bone come from? I know that beef bones are not recommended--would pork bones be soft enough? And, are there any other sources of red meat bones?

Still learning :-) Patty and her RMB pom Mica

Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote: Nope it's not! The only reason it is recommended is because it's cheap,
easy to find and generally easily digestible with nice soft bones for new
dogs. Other than that, if you never fed chicken you'd be a lot closer to
species appropriate diet! And that's why we recommend moving on and adding
red meat and other proteins as soon as the dog is ready.

The natural diet of a carnivore consists of large ungulates...all red meat
and lots of it! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang



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1g. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:35 pm ((PST))

Patty,

You can feed chicken for the bone content. Other sources of bone would be
pork, goat, lamb, fish...most anything other than the hard beef bones!

There's no reason you *can't* feed chicken...it's far better than kibble any
day. I just wouldn't recommend it being the main item on the menu! :)

You are doing great...don't worry.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Patty Linden" <pattykat3@yahoo.com>


> Sandee--I am confused about this. I understand how important red meat is
in the diet, but if one never feeds chicken, where does the 10% bone come
from? I know that beef bones are not recommended--would pork bones be soft
enough? And, are there any other sources of red meat bones?
>
> Still learning :-) Patty and her RMB pom Mica

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1h. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:12 pm ((PST))

"Gaye Amick" <northernskychar@...> wrote:
>>
> Chicken, beef, organs etc. Chicken one meal, Beef the next???? Are
> veggies added to each meat meal or is it a seperate meal???
*****
Sounds like you are trying too hard. First, eliminate the veggies.
They are without nutritionl purpose in a dog's species appropriate menu
and take up your time and--when fed as a significant part of the menu--
take up menu space better filled by meat, organs and edible bone.

Second, don't feel you have choreograph the menu. To start, chicken
followed by chicken followed by chicken may be the easiest and most
effective approach. Later, you may not feed chicken for weeks, and
rely heavily on pork or beef or lamb or venison or turkey if that's
what's available. There is no need to define variety so narrowly.
Feed chicken (or whatever) until you're comfortable with other stuff,
then feed other stuff.

Whatever I start a dog off on, I prefer to almost immediately add bits
and pieces of other meats. This suits my sense of adventure and has
worked well for the dogs but it is simply another way to make the big
move to raw food. You do not have to intertwine meats for the dog's
sake; do it for you if you can't bear to leave the menu simple. It's
okay either way, as long as you don't let things get so complicated you
cave under the pressure.


> The only thing I THINK I know is organ meat is only given once maybe
> twice a week. Correct???
*****
Nah. You can feed organ meat in infrequent larger meals and you can
feed small amounts frequently if that works best for the dog. To
begin, you can quite happily feed no organs for a while. Or you can
toss bits and pieces of organs in with the other body parts. There's
no rush to feed organs but you can't just forget about them. Where in
between you feel most comfortable is your choice.

I haven't fed much liver lately, except for the liver that comes with
whole chickens; I'll probably have to get focused pretty soon and feed
a hunk o' liver to my dogs. Tonight, after not having fed kidney for
months and months, I gave my dogs a quarter beef kidney each.
Chris O

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1i. Re: meal recipes
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:59 am ((PST))


In a message dated 12/28/2007 5:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
pattykat3@yahoo.com writes:

I know that beef bones are not recommended--would pork bones be soft enough?
And, are there any other sources of red meat bones?


Patty,

i'm not Sandee, and she may have answered already, but i'm gonna add my 2
cents anyway.. lol.

Bones don't have to come from chicken. Remember that edible bone is a very
small portion of the overall diet (if you need numbers for reference, 10% is
enough).. depending on the size of your dog most pork bones are completely
edible, and the bone in the center of a pork picnic is just enough bone to go with
the meat and fat on that picnic.

and lamb breasts are cheap and relatively easy to find in hispanic grocery
stores. All lamb bones are completely edible even for small dogs, but maybe not
for the very tiny ones.

there is NO need to have bones in every meal, and there is no need to ever
feed a bare naked bone. All bones should be well covered in meat and fat or
accompanied by meat off the bone (in the case of feeding large amounts of ribs
from any animal).

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2a. Re: How much poop should I expect?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:53 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:

> Jennifer,
> That doesn't make sense to me. There is a lot more indigestable
> stuff in kibble(no matter how good) than there is in meat, bones,
> and organs. Are you feeding veggies? I'm not arguing, just trying
> to figure out how that could be.
>

Nope. Mainly venison, some beef, turkey, sometimes fish, sometimes lamb.


Jennifer

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2b. Re: How much poop should I expect?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:02 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Berry" <k9baron@...> wrote:

> Then you could be over feeding. <snip>
> But if they get their 1.25 lbs daily of 100% deer meat, a daily egg
and fish
> oil, they never poop more than once a day. My one female goes avg
> everyother day.

She has 67lb (25kg) and gets about 1.5lb (about 500g) food (80/10/5/5
balancong out over the week) per day. Sometimes a little less,
sometimes a little more (sometimes she's just not that hungry,
especially if the food is hard to eat, lol!!). I don't think that's
overfeeding, it's 2% of her weight (and that's her ideal weight).
She's in great shape.
She was on Orijen k*bble before.

Jennifer

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3a. Re: Real poodles eat RMB!
Posted by: "mom2moz" mom2moz@yahoo.com mom2moz
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:22 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "marge" <marge_moriarty17551@...>
wrote:
> Here are these two
> little mini poos ....acting like REAL dogs!...Like manly men!!!! LOL
>
> I knew only you other rawfeeders could truly relate.

That's great, Marge!

Guess what? Real Yorkies eat RMBs, too! ;)

ada & abigail-ceana (yorkie)

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3b. Re: Real poodles eat RMB!
Posted by: "Karen Ditton" karenditton@urassociation.com karenditton
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:12 pm ((PST))

Here are these two little mini poos ....acting like REAL dogs!...Like manly
men!!!! LOL

I knew only you other rawfeeders could truly relate.

***Isn't it awesome! A few weeks ago we were nervous newbies, and now we
love watching our dogs eat the way they were made to!

Karen

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4. Diagnosis Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Ethel Settler" AA7595@wayne.edu sarfancy
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:48 pm ((PST))


My 18 month Mal had a bout of what the vet called Pancreatitis - he was
very ill and on IVs for several days. Talking to a
vet tech I know who works at a speciality clinic said it sounded more like
a bout of severe intestinal inflammation. Well, come to
find out a few days into the illness, I found what was left of some old
moldy dog treats that had been left in the back of my van
and he had gotten into them. His severe reaction was due to the toxin in
the mold not a true case of pancreatitis - I slowly
introduced his regular raw diet watching the fat content and using a lot of
cottage cheese at first. He is back on his regular
diet with no further problems, and it has been 9 months. The vets look at
the blood work and there are problems other than
pancreatitis that can make the values look bad. I would recommend
introducing his regular diet in small doses and see if anything
causes vomiting or runny stools. It is good for all dogs to add some
enzymes to their meals a few times a week.

That is my 2 cents and I hope it helps some.

ethel

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5a. Starting to eat
Posted by: "Jean" iambjl246@yahoo.com iambjl246
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:55 pm ((PST))

Today is the first day to feed my Maltese raw. she doesn't eat much
anyway. Today I gave her a chicken leg (skin removed)and she just
walked away. later in the evening I cut a piece of the meat off so she
could get to the bone. She ate the meat first then started on the
meatybone. Sure hope to see improvement in her health in a few weeks!
I think I know the answer is "no," but are hotdogs ok? Thanks for all
of the help! Jean

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5b. Re: Starting to eat
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:16 pm ((PST))

Jean,

This new food is pretty foreign...and bland! Sounds like she figured it
out, but you could warm it a bit and slice into the meat in a few places to
give her a starting point. Or feed something easier like bone-in breasts.

Hot dogs? Yuck! LOL Actually I cut them into tiny, tiny pieces to
distract a Dane who doesn't like his nails cut...works like a charm! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Jean" <iambjl246@yahoo.com>


Today is the first day to feed my Maltese raw. she doesn't eat much
anyway. Today I gave her a chicken leg (skin removed)and she just
walked away. later in the evening I cut a piece of the meat off so she
could get to the bone. She ate the meat first then started on the
meatybone. Sure hope to see improvement in her health in a few weeks!
I think I know the answer is "no," but are hotdogs ok? Thanks for all
of the help! Jean

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5c. Re: Starting to eat
Posted by: "Karen Ditton" karenditton@urassociation.com karenditton
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:30 pm ((PST))

Welcome Jean!

I've only been feeding raw for 2 ½ weeks. I was terribly nervous at first,
but now I really enjoy watching my two eat! My older guy barely ate at all
before too, but he really loves his raw food! I'll bet your Maltese will do
the same! It's so nice to see them finally enjoying their food!

Just follow all the wealth of good info you get here and you'll do just
fine! :-)

Karen

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5d. Re: Starting to eat
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:24 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jean" <iambjl246@...> wrote:
>
> Today is the first day to feed my Maltese raw. she doesn't eat much
> anyway. Today I gave her a chicken leg (skin removed)and she just
> walked away. later in the evening I cut a piece of the meat off so
she
> could get to the bone. She ate the meat first then started on the
> meatybone. Sure hope to see improvement in her health in a few weeks!
> I think I know the answer is "no," but are hotdogs ok? Thanks for all
> of the help! Jean
>

Congratulations on a good start!

Hotdogs? Certainly not as a meal, and I would not use any of the mass
produced ones for any reason. You might give a TINY bit of uncured
organic hotdog, which is the only kind I buy, as a RARE treat, if you
have them anyway. They won't really do much for your dog, but they
probably won't hurt her, either, any more than the occasional Hershey's
Kiss would hurt you. They are pricey, though, and you could offer
healthier treats more cheaply. My dogs didn't get any treats at all
the first couple of weeks on raw. I wanted both of them, particularly
my Pom, who was free-fed kibble for five years, to be hungry for real
food at mealtime.

Cheers,

Wendy


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6a. Weekly Routine for Adult Border Collie
Posted by: "swayzepetsitting" skittles888@aol.com swayzepetsitting
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:30 pm ((PST))

Currently, I am feeding my border collie chicken leg quarters in the
morning and then either boneless pork, lamb, or beef in the evening.
It comes out to a little less than 1 lb of food a day. She has been
eating raw for 2 months now and this routine seems to be working well.

Does this look okay? Eventually I would like to have more variety,
depending on what I can find at what price. For now, I am more
focused on transitioning my kitty cats, so this simple routine makes
it easy on me. However, if it is not ideal, I am definitely willing
to make changes.

Oh ya, the day before yesterday Bean Dip, my BC, did not eat at all.
I know that many people fast their dogs, but she did it on her own.
She did not whine for more food, she just didn't want to eat.
Interesting...

Swayze and Bean Dip, Sniff, McGuirk, and Finnigan

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6b. Re: Weekly Routine for Adult Border Collie
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:32 pm ((PST))

Currently, I am feeding my border collie chicken leg quarters in the
morning and then either boneless pork, lamb, or beef in the evening.
It comes out to a little less than 1 lb of food a day. She has been
eating raw for 2 months now and this routine seems to be working well.

### you didn't say how old she is? Adult? Probably a better idea to
feed once per day unless there is a specific health issue to differ from
that. She'll stop expecting it after a couple of days of the routine being
broken.

Oh ya, the day before yesterday Bean Dip, my BC, did not eat at all.
I know that many people fast their dogs, but she did it on her own.
She did not whine for more food, she just didn't want to eat.
Interesting...

#### my Border Collie eats 3-4 times per week. I always offer him meals,
but after a bigger meal day of say a whole chicken, he self-fasts which is
fine with me.

Chia & Ricco

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7a. skin/fat on pork shoulder
Posted by: "marge" marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com marge_moriarty17551
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:39 pm ((PST))

Ok, I am beginning to feel like a pest. I have a question about the
pork shoulder I bought. You know how it comes with a super thick hide
with thick layer of fat on it? Is that ok to feed? It is so tough it
is even difficult to get a knife through it. When Foxy had some pork
he got a piece of it and could not really chew through it...so i
snatched it from him. Any thoughts on this?

Marge

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7b. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:44 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "marge" <marge_moriarty17551@...>
wrote:
>
> You know how it comes with a super thick hide
> with thick layer of fat on it? Is that ok to feed?

My dogs eat it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7c. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:59 am ((PST))

It's great for teeth cleaning and it is hard for my dog to get it off
the meat and actually eat it, but I haven't felt it was a choking
hazard. It can cause loose stool if some dogs get too much (since it's
so fatty). Why did you snatch it? Were you worried about choking?
Remember, dogs don't really chew like us. But you know your dog best,
and you need to do whatever you're comfortable with. There are certain
food items that aren't a good match for particular dogs, due to the way
they eat. If your dog is a newbie, he also may have been a bit more
eager and overestimated what he could swallow, than a more experienced
eater. You can just let him eat it, or let him gnaw on it for a bit
for a workout and teeth cleaning, and then remove it. Or if you're not
comfortable with it at all, cut it off--good poultry scissors maybe?

Laurie

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7d. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:59 am ((PST))


In a message dated 12/28/2007 6:39:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com writes:

When Foxy had some pork
he got a piece of it and could not really chew through it...so i
snatched it from him. Any thoughts on this?



Marge,

the whole idea is for the dogs to work at eating. they get exercise, and
they get their teeth cleaned and it's great mental stimulation as well. You
really don't want to snatch stuff that's tough to eat from them, you want them
to figure out how to rip and tear and get their teeth cleaned while they are
doing it.

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8a. Hi everyone!
Posted by: "Betty" prismkitten@yahoo.com prismkitten
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:54 pm ((PST))

I'm new to the group. I have an 8 and 1/2 yr. old Maltese who is a
babysitting dog. He loves children, and thinks that's his 'pack'. He
is a bit more social towards other dogs since I've had some time to
socialize him more with his real pack brothers and sisters.

He has been eating raw for over 5 years now, and has gone from Barf to
Nature's (all supplemented with other raw meats, and the occasional
raw chicken bone)to my own recipe to now just the raw meat and organ
meats, and I just introduced him to raw rib bones tonight. He has some
teeth issues and needs some dental care and I need some advice with
regard to that.

I followed some of the links in your link files and they were very
helpful. So far with some other websites, I think I will feed the
meaty raw rib bones weekly, his raw meat and raw organ meats. I am
going to try some kind of topical toothbrushing mediums like water and
hydrogen peroxide, and or Iodine and water, and maybe some white oak
bark mixed with some mint essential oils for a paste..adding some
magnesium to actually get a paste. When I can afford to I will get him
in to see a dental vet for a tooth checkup and cleaning, and since he
has 2 loose back teeth, maybe a couple extractions?

Is there anything else I should be doing or can do that has worked for
anyone here? I'd like to see the tarter gone, and the back teeth
cleaned and tightened up. If he loosed those back teeth will he be
fine without them and do they regrow sometimes at his age?

Thanks so much for any help!

Prism


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8b. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:18 pm ((PST))

From what I gathered, you are only feeding boneless meats and organs
currently and feeding a meaty rib once a week? If so, he needs to have
bone everyday not just once a week. My beagle was 2 when I found him
and already had 3/4 of his teeth covered in tartar. I'd say in about 2
mos most of it was gone (never brushed his teeth) and now, a year and
a half later, he only has a slight bit of brown at the very base of
his canines (probably 1/32") that I've been working on just scraping
off with my fingernail. Raw bones will do an amazing clean up job on
nasty teeth by themselves. You wil want to see the vet if he needs
extractions though.

Heather

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9a. Re: Turkey backs
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:59 am ((PST))


In a message dated 12/28/2007 8:35:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
charlieschoicetreatco@yahoo.ca writes:

I picked up some turkey backs dirt cheap yesterday but after looking at
them I am not sure about feeding them



Alisha,

i like turkey backs, i can get them, especially this time of year for $.20 -
.39 lb. depending on the store. Most stores sell them cut in half, one store
cuts them into inconvenient little squares (i don't buy these).

the half backs i give to the dogs that can tolerate large amounts of bone in
a meal with a glob of green tripe or a hunky piece of pork. my old golden guy
doesn't do bone well anymore, so the only bones he gets these days are in
whole or half chickens. a half a turkey back would be 2 days of constipation and
a grumpy old fart, i try to avoid this situation.. lol.

Catherine R.

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