[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12419

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Topics in this digest:

1a. another question about our new Great Dane puppy
From: Becky Brooks (Marsh)
1b. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
From: Chia
1c. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
From: becky brooks

2. Re: Digest Number 12418
From: tantelin22@aol.com

3a. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
From: carnesbill
3b. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
From: Sandee Lee
3c. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
From: Kathie Middlemiss

4a. how many times a day?
From: joan
4b. Re: how many times a day?
From: costrowski75

5a. (no subject)
From: sheila
5b. Re:
From: Karen Swanay

6a. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
From: Debi C

7. (no subject)
From: (no author)

8a. Re: Female infections from raw bacteria - Question
From: Kevin Brown

9a. Re: bella is so much better
From: shefy gupta

10a. Re: gorge feeding - am I doing this right?
From: krheintgen

11a. vomit after feeding pork
From: spricketysprock
11b. Re: vomit after feeding pork
From: costrowski75

12a. my dog hates venison!
From: johnsonkp200
12b. Re: my dog hates venison!
From: costrowski75
12c. Re: my dog hates venison!
From: Sandee Lee

13a. How long do I wait....
From: T Smith
13b. Re: How long do I wait....
From: Sandee Lee
13c. Re: How long do I wait....
From: T Smith

14a. Re: Raw and tear stains
From: Kathie Middlemiss

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1a. another question about our new Great Dane puppy
Posted by: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:12 am ((PST))

I have another question about the new (7mo.) Great Dane puppy we
bought last night and will pick up tomorrow. She is a European line
Dane, and I'm not sure how much I should start feeding her. She is
overweight right now, but she's still a puppy, so should I stick with
2 percent of her ideal adult weight? Or more since she's a puppy? Or
less since she's fat??? Help!!
Becky

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1b. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:19 am ((PST))

I have another question about the new (7mo.) Great Dane puppy we
bought last night and will pick up tomorrow. She is a European line
Dane, and I'm not sure how much I should start feeding her. She is
overweight right now, but she's still a puppy, so should I stick with
2 percent of her ideal adult weight? Or more since she's a puppy? Or
less since she's fat??? Help!!

### I'll bet she'll lean out quickly now that will be fed appropriately..
LOTS of fun exercise and twice a day feeding of eventual 'cumbersome' meals,
and she'll be gorgeous!

It may take a bit of trial and error on your part, keeping an eye on her
visually, she should have a waist when looked at from behind, her ribs felt,
not seen, but perhaps the 2-3 % of predicted adult weight may be the approx.
way to go. Purchase whole chickens, lop into half, smash them up a bit and
let her work at it. After a week or two, ask us the next step and READ those
archives too!

Chia & Ricco
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weight, like commercial crap, but with REAL food, the ideal isn't always as
simple as each dog is such an individual. For an adolescent dog to be
overweight is a travesty and YOU will fix that!)

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1c. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
Posted by: "becky brooks" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:08 am ((PST))

Thank you for the encouragement. I'm excited to get her going on a better lifestyle, and any advice is much appreciated!
Becky

Chia <chia.m@shaw.ca> wrote: I have another question about the new (7mo.) Great Dane puppy we
bought last night and will pick up tomorrow. She is a European line
Dane, and I'm not sure how much I should start feeding her. She is
overweight right now, but she's still a puppy, so should I stick with
2 percent of her ideal adult weight? Or more since she's a puppy? Or
less since she's fat??? Help!!

### I'll bet she'll lean out quickly now that will be fed appropriately..
LOTS of fun exercise and twice a day feeding of eventual 'cumbersome' meals,
and she'll be gorgeous!

It may take a bit of trial and error on your part, keeping an eye on her
visually, she should have a waist when looked at from behind, her ribs felt,
not seen, but perhaps the 2-3 % of predicted adult weight may be the approx.
way to go. Purchase whole chickens, lop into half, smash them up a bit and
let her work at it. After a week or two, ask us the next step and READ those
archives too!

Chia & Ricco
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weight, like commercial crap, but with REAL food, the ideal isn't always as
simple as each dog is such an individual. For an adolescent dog to be
overweight is a travesty and YOU will fix that!)

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2. Re: Digest Number 12418
Posted by: "tantelin22@aol.com" tantelin22@aol.com tantelindar
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:08 am ((PST))

In a message dated 12/25/2007 8:54:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com writes:

From: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" <_kidcreations1@kidcreati_
(mailto:kidcreations1@yahoo.com) >

We have just bought a new Great Dane puppy tonight and will be picking
her up in 2 days. She is 7 months old, overweight with a distended
tummy, and has been on a kibble called "Diamond". I'm wondering what
is the best way to transition her over to raw? We have 4 dogs
currently on raw and haven't had a problem, but I'm concerned about
her since she's never had anything other than kibble and her tummy
seems way to fat. Any advice would be helpful.

=============
My personal first choice would be to get her to a veterinarian. Diamond is
a good quality kibble (if those words aren't a total non-sequitor!lol)(I used
it for years, myself), so that's not an excuse for a distended tummy. Fat
dogs are fat all over. Take her and a fresh stool sample to a good vet and
see what sort of health issues she has. You can decide how to deal with them
after the diagnosis. For all you know, she's pregnant!

Consensus among raw feeders is to make the switch cold-turkey since
digesting the carbs in kibble requires an entirely differently-balanced digestive
system than digesting actual meat. Trying to combine both food sources often
causes major digestive upset.

Don't panic if she doesn't eat right away; transitioning to a new home and a
new diet will be stressful... but a day or two without food won't hurt her.
If your other dogs are raw-fed, she'll figure it out pretty quickly! :)

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3a. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:08 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, becky brooks <kidcreations1@...>
wrote:
>
> It's different for each dog, but generally speaking
> they alternate between chicken leg quarters, gizzard/hearts,
liver, pork, fish, some beef and the occasional frozen meat
> patties when we run out of time. I'm also working on getting
> a deer.

That would be good later on down the road but for now you need to go
slowly. Stick to chicken for a week or two, then add turkey or pork
for a week or so then add something else for a week or so and then
something else, etc. At this rate it will take 6 weeks to 2 months
to get her on her diet. I wouldn't feed the organs for a couple of
months.

> this dog does not appear to be exactly fit. She's
> overweight, distended tummy, lethargic (from what we saw
> last night anyway.) Do you think I should try chicken
? leg quarters for a week or so and see how she does? I'm
> worried about giving her the runs...

Exactly. Feed small meals too. At first, no more than one quarter
per meal. There may be more problems with this girl that you are
seeing right now.

Check my web page listed just under my signature. It should answer
a lot of your questions.

Bill Carnes
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Feeding Raw since October 2002

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3b. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:41 am ((PST))

Becky,

I would begin with at least two meals per day. You may be looking at some
health problems with that distended stomach and lethargy, but I would just
start out slow and see how she does after being with you for a bit.
Probably keep it at the 2% level for now...that's always easy to change if
necessary.

God luck with this girl and keep us posted on her progress!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "becky brooks" <kidcreations1@yahoo.com>

> Thanks, Sandee. At her age, do you recommend feeding once or twice a
day? Or does it matter as long as she's getting the right amount per day?
They currently feed her kibble twice a day.

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3c. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:19 pm ((PST))

carnesbill wrote:

I prefer beginning on chicken backs but you don't really have time to
get any before she comes home. They are pretty hard to find and you will
probably have to get
them special ordered.

I just wanted to interject that if you want chicken backs to start with
and happen to have a Whole Foods nearby, they sell them as "soup
bones". I have to special order large amounts, but can usually get
10-20 pounds in a pinch if I need them. They *are* more expensive than
ordering them at a regular grocer, I pay .99/pound. But they are from
'organic' chicken (if that matters to you at all) and from my experience
tend to have a great deal more meat to them than ones I have seen/gotten
elsewhere.

Hard to suggest places to go for folks as people are so spread out, but
I know that a few of the 'ethnic' places near me (Compare Foods and
Price Rite) will also sell chicken quarters at .59 per pound. I just
scored myself 120 pounds of them the other day. :) And these are
unenhanced (no salt solution) and very often have 'goodies' like kidneys
still stuck to the inside 'back' part of the quarter

Kathie, Mom to: Jake, Max and Ruby

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4a. how many times a day?
Posted by: "joan" joanlante@yahoo.ca joanlante
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:09 am ((PST))

when my dogs were being fed kibble they were fed twice a day ...now
since raw I feed only once a day...is this ok???...I figured kibble
goes in and goes out quick enough but raw must keep their stomacks
going for a while
joan

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4b. Re: how many times a day?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:43 am ((PST))

"joan" <joanlante@...> wrote:>
> when my dogs were being fed kibble they were fed twice a day ...now
> since raw I feed only once a day...is this ok???
*****
This is fine. Most dogs do fine on one meal a dog and feeding one
meal a day gives you the opportunity to feed larger more complicated
and challening food. Some dogs need a gradual introduction to one
larger meal but even if loose stools result short term, long term
things will resolve quite nicely. For the few dogs that simply
cannot adjust to one meal a day, returning to two meals is not a
crime. Maybe a disappointment, but no crime.

I figured kibble
> goes in and goes out quick enough but raw must keep their stomacks
> going for a while
*****
Actually, kibble takes longer to process than raw. OTOH, raw species
appropriate food is more bio-available which means whatever the dog
does eat provides more nutritional bang per bite and greater
satisfaction.

Don't try to judge the raw experience by kibble standards. It just
doesn't work that way.
Chris O

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5a. (no subject)
Posted by: "sheila" schatzee@comporium.net osborne_sheila
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:09 am ((PST))

We've been doing raw about 3 weeks now, mainly chicken and pork, we had a pig roast in may and have some cooked pork in the freezer - would it be o.k. to give them that? sheila

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5b. Re:
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:28 am ((PST))

Cooked is fine as treats for training and the like but it's not ideal as a
meal. Cooking changes the meat and makes it less appropriate for the dogs.
Cooked bones are of course dangerous and then added salt and seasonings are
not a good idea for dogs either.

Karen

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6a. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
Posted by: "Debi C" dcole6@satx.rr.com scarlet_debi
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:30 am ((PST))

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Kathy you are a doggie angel indeed. That should be a wonderful mix
breed, both those breeds are highly intelligent and very active.

I've found my Jack Russells take more food than the math allows.
They are very active and run the fat off so they look like two little
racehorses. All muscle and bone with very little fat. My shorty
looks like a little Arnold Schwartzenegger. I feed big (lots at a
time) and they pace themselves well. I'd suggest about a pound a day
to start with and see what the pup needs and wants.

Bless you for giving this little one a forever home. I predict lots
of love, kisses and exercise in your future.

Debi, 2 Jacks and an App

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7. (no subject)
Posted by: "(no author)" (no email address)
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:43 am ((PST))

Thank you!

As we speak, there are four whole chickens in the fridge! Meat is on the menu!

Thanks again,

Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: sentto-7423526-149763-1198304995-Adam.C.Firestone=saic.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 12/22/2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Picky on which CUTS of meat?

In a message dated 12/21/2007 3:12:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Adam.C.Firestone@ <mailto:Adam.C.Firestone%40saic.com> saic.com writes:

To date, we've fed raw chicken drumsticks, pork ribs, raw chicken
thighs, and
today raw chicken leg quarters.

Adam,

sounds like your Sabot wants more meat. As he should, looks like so far
your
dogs' diet is very heavy on bone and far too light on meat. Remember
you're
looking for MEAT on an edible bone, not BONE with some meat on it.

Think whole chickens, and pork legs or picnic roasts, or whole pork
loin, or
beef brisket (boneless)..

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8a. Re: Female infections from raw bacteria - Question
Posted by: "Kevin Brown" jerseykev@aol.com noblarneyzone
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:00 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "Kevin Brown" <jerseykev@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what types of different infections females eating
> > raw may be prone to.
> *****
> The same infections a kibblefed bitch may be subject to, and probably
> less. Don't look to raw food as the culprit. Vets are all too ready
> to jump to this conclusion without your help.
>
> Chris O
>

Thanks

KB

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9a. Re: bella is so much better
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:37 am ((PST))

that's wonderful to hear beth! i'm glad bella is doing better!

merry christmas and happy new year to you all as well!

keep up the raw :)

shefy and snowy

bethhugh7 <bethhugh7@yahoo.com> wrote: i just wanted to say thank
you to this group for all the things i have learned from you guys and
gals. my dogs love the raw diet and are feeling better. i have a bull
terrier named bella that also is very grateful because she has been
vomiting and runny stools for a month and 4 days into raw feeding, no
more gas, no more vomiting and runns.shes like a new dog.
have a woderful christmas and a happy new year, beth and all her
bratts

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10a. Re: gorge feeding - am I doing this right?
Posted by: "krheintgen" krheintgen@comcast.net krheintgen
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:37 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, woofwoofgrrl <cmc4lists1@...> wrote:
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> I've made a second attempt at gorge feeding the dogs (I tried over
the
> summer and failed miserably!) and it's going much better this time.

Also -- remember that you do not have to feed the same way all the
time. Some weeks you might feed everyday and then they get a big meal
and skip a day or so. It is also alright to feed a larger than normal
meal two days is a row and THEN skip a day or two. There really are no
rules other than to be sure they do not eat too much so they get fat,
so you really can't "fail" at gorge feeding.

All that means is that they get big meals sometimes. They do not have
to eat every meal that way. My dogs gorge, they also eat regular sized
meals. It really depends on what I pull out of the freezer and to
some extent on them. Some days my Sibe really wants/needs a BIG meal
and I come to recognize when that is. Other times he will only eat a
small amount.

So, just relax, you can't fail at this. Feed your dogs as it works out
and just go with it!! Just like with starting out with raw feeding,
the more they eat big meals the more they will tolerate them. You
might need to start with large chicken, low fat meals and then move to
large beef meals etc. Just like when you first started raw feeding.

Kathy R

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11a. vomit after feeding pork
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:38 am ((PST))

Hello everyone,
So I've been feeding my dog pork for a few days now, and yesterday
morning and today he threw up what appeared to be mostly bile
(yesterday it was yellow and looked like egg yolk, not sure about
today as I didn't witness it). I've been feeding him a pork shoulder
that has a thick layer of fat/skin - could this be the problem? His
poop has been a bit on the runny side but is fine enough, it's more
the vomit I'm concerned about. He's never had pork before in his life
so is it just that he needs to get used to it or is it the inch of
fat? Would trimming the fat help?

Thanks,
Jess & Toby

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11b. Re: vomit after feeding pork
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:03 pm ((PST))

"spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@...> wrote:
> So I've been feeding my dog pork for a few days now, and yesterday
> morning and today he threw up what appeared to be mostly bile
> (yesterday it was yellow and looked like egg yolk, not sure about
> today as I didn't witness it). I've been feeding him a pork shoulder
> that has a thick layer of fat/skin - could this be the problem?
*****
Too much fat will almost always reveal itself as loose stools. Bile
vomit generally represents a missed or late meal for a dog accustomed
to eating at a certain time. It also can be the result of some
undigested irritant that has totally overstayed its welcome. In each
case, fat is not likely to be an issue.

Easily way to determine if fat's a problem is to trim the fat and see
what happens.
Chris O

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12a. my dog hates venison!
Posted by: "johnsonkp200" sunfiretervs@comcast.net johnsonkp200
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:38 am ((PST))

My dog refuses to eat the meat from venison ribs that I was given by a
hunter. I've let him go hungry for 1 1/2 days and he acted REALLY
hungry, but still would not eat it. I tried cutting strips of the meat
off the ribs and placing it in his dish. He tried, once only, to chew a
little piece of it then spit it out. From then on he won't go near it.
So far he's eaten beef, poultry, pork, fish (canned) and beef/chicken
organs.
What is so different about venison? Has anyone else experienced this
with venison? Should I give up on it? I want him to gain weight, not
get skinnier yet.

Karen

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12b. Re: my dog hates venison!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:57 am ((PST))

"johnsonkp200" <sunfiretervs@...> wrote:
>> What is so different about venison? Has anyone else experienced
this
> with venison? Should I give up on it? I want him to gain weight, not
> get skinnier yet.
*****
Perhaps there's not enough meat on the ribs to interest your dog. I
recommend you try a hunk of meat before you give up. However, there's
still the chance your dog just doesn't like the taste. I've not had my
dogs or cats turn venison down but that's a very limited test market.

Venison is not a fatty meat, so don't count on it to put weight on your
dog. Rely on foods he is willing to eat lots of, and don't trim the
fat. In order to put weight on some dogs, it's sometimes necessary to
feed an increased amount of food in an increased number of feedings.
Chris O

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12c. Re: my dog hates venison!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:19 pm ((PST))

Some dogs just aren't keen on fresh meat. Either let it age for a few days
or freeze it for later. I think we just discussed this recently...might
want to look in past messages.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "johnsonkp200" <sunfiretervs@comcast.net>

My dog refuses to eat the meat from venison ribs that I was given by a
hunter. I've let him go hungry for 1 1/2 days and he acted REALLY
hungry, but still would not eat it. I tried cutting strips of the meat
off the ribs and placing it in his dish. He tried, once only, to chew a
little piece of it then spit it out. From then on he won't go near it.
So far he's eaten beef, poultry, pork, fish (canned) and beef/chicken
organs.
What is so different about venison? Has anyone else experienced this
with venison? Should I give up on it? I want him to gain weight, not
get skinnier yet.

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13a. How long do I wait....
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:05 pm ((PST))

I mentioned about the fish & kidney, it is now their second meal they
refused to eat it.
Shall I chop it up & mix it with something at donner or "just wait them
out"?
Trina
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13b. Re: How long do I wait....
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:24 pm ((PST))

Some dogs just don't like fish. I've never been one to force my dogs to
eat something they didn't like. Mine aren't picky, they eat about
everything but when there is something they truly don't like, it gets taken
off the menu (rabbit in our case)!!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "T Smith" <coldbeach@gmail.com>

> I mentioned about the fish & kidney, it is now their second meal they
> refused to eat it.
> Shall I chop it up & mix it with something at donner or "just wait them
> out"?

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13c. Re: How long do I wait....
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:38 pm ((PST))

BUt I thought fish was a "have to" in raw?
Am I mistaken?

On Dec 25, 2007 12:24 PM, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:

> Some dogs just don't like fish. I've never been one to force my dogs to
> eat something they didn't like. Mine aren't picky, they eat about
> everything but when there is something they truly don't like, it gets
> taken
> off the menu (rabbit in our case)!!
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
>

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14a. Re: Raw and tear stains
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:10 pm ((PST))

Hi there!

Just chiming in with my experience. One of my young dogs is a yellow
lab/shepherd mix. She's got a beautiful light, light blonde coat and
about a week into feeding raw I noticed that her eyes were 'leaky', and
even more alarming, she had those brownish stains coming from the corners.

Had lots of folks ask me if she had an eye infection, but there was no
real discharge of mucous, just that brown/dark staining. This went on
for maybe 4 weeks, it almost seemed as if it was just another 'purge'
her system went through on the raw diet. I didn't change anything that
I was doing and it started to fade and has since gone away all together.

Kathie
Mom to: Jake, Max and Ruby

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