[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12418

There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
From: Laurie Swanson
1b. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
From: Chia

2a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
From: salvinop73

3a. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
From: becky brooks
3b. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
From: becky brooks

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1a. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:53 am ((PST))

Hi Kathy,

Congrats on your new puppy! The general rule of thumb for starting is
2-3% of ideal adult body weight--just to give you a ball park. Then
you adjust as needed if your dog gets too skinny or chubby. Or, as
Jane (list owner) says, she never weighs food and lets puppies eat as
much as they want. Do whatever you're comfortable with.

So, sure, take 17 lbs. x 2% = .34 lb., or 17 lbs. x 3% = .51 lb. You
may want to feed somewhere in that range, or you may want to just let
the puppy eat until full. They need to be fed more often, like 3-
4x/day when really young, then gradually increasing the size and
reducing frequency of meals until they're around a year (when you might
want them on once a day, or you can even consider feeding less often if
you want). You might want to search the archives for more puppy info.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "homesforallpets"
<homesforallpets@...> wrote:
Mini Schnauzers weight 11-20lbs. Rat
> Terriers 10-25. I figure the happy median is about 17lbs on a mix?
> If I go off this as a start she should get how much each day raw?
>

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1b. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:40 am ((PST))

-----Original Message-----
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of homesforallpets
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 9:34 PM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy

Her name is Holly. Holly and Angel. We were suckers the moment we
heard it :) I looked it up. Mini Schnauzers weight 11-20lbs. Rat
Terriers 10-25. I figure the happy median is about 17lbs on a mix?
If I go off this as a start she should get how much each day raw?

#### awwww.... what a sweet Christmas story. Make sure and peruse the
archives here as well. a GOLDMINE of info for you!

This list is pretty much all you need. The thousands of members with tiny
to large size dogs is in the thousands and you will NOT find a group of
people anywhere, more dedicated to the health of their pets.

Your puppy should probably be eating 10% of predicted adult body weight
but truly, you don't have to worry too much about numbers. Purchase WHOLE
chickens, lop into half, then quarters. Perhaps smash up a bit with a
mallet so your pup can get the hang of 'real' food. Offer the food, or same
item if need be, until consumed three times per day? (others who have had
pups may jump in). By six months, they're usually down to two meals and by
a year, one meal. Some dogs will automatically self regulate on their own,
others, may not.

After a week or two on the same protein source, ask us what to do next or
maybe get some pork... in a few more days, you can start offering miniscule
amounts of liver or heart. Liver is ESSENTIAL eating but is VERY rich so
you must start easy and you'll quickly adapt.

Eventually, you can feed everything and anything, promise! Keep an eye on
your pup's body. Small waist, ribs should be felt not seen, and you can
adjust the calories accordingly and ask us what to do next if need be.
Naturally, a pup has energy to burn, and LOTS of safe, off leash exercise
and training is a must for lean muscle development and overall mental
development/manners etc. I used to love using a tennis court for down/stay
practice and recall commands.

Also, a quick tip. Vaccines are incredibly damaging so it may be best you
join our sister list, truth about vaccines on yahoo to ask a few questions
and read the archives. Your pup never needs another shot but you need the
knowledge, as with raw feeding, to be able to discuss this with the vet you
may use.

Use ALL the link I am going to paste. READ!!!

http://rawfed.com (the myths link will answer ALL negative questions and
crap you'll face from nay sayers...)

http://www.rawmeatybones.com the most amazing book...one downloadable free
one there I believe... I would HIGHLY recommend ordering

Raw Meaty Bones Promote Health for your library. Once this is
read....there is no QUESTION as to the damage & health risks of feeding

commercial.

http://www.rawfeddogs.net

Vaccine info:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TruthAboutVaccines/

http://rawfed.com/vax/vax.html

your puppy is ONE lucky dog to have found someone like you!

Chia & Ricco

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2a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
Posted by: "salvinop73" psalvino@bellsouth.net salvinop73
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:12 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "homesforallpets"
<homesforallpets@...> wrote:
>
> Hubby gets off in a little over an hour. We are going to be buying
> some stuff for us and I get to do some doggie shopping. Nowhere
near
> what I want but I get to do some. If I can not get ALL she needs
to
> eat should I store it and wait til I have some surplus built up? I
> do not want to get going on this only to be 3 days from payday (or
> more heaven forbid) with nothing to feed but old kibble. II'm
afraid
> to toss the kibble because what if I hit a time when I have nothing
> to feed?
>
> Is a fasting day good for raw fed dogs? I hear yes and no on this
> alot. A fast day how often? I figured out that her ideal adult
> weight is about 63lbs (give or take a couple) so that comes to her
> eating about 1lb 15.5 oz of meat a day? That is for 3% of the
ideal
> adult weight.
>
> I'm going to look mostly at chicken to start and maybe get other
> stuff if its on sale for later. Then I can do that everypayday for
a
> month then spread out the buying to just whats on sale? I mean as
> long as she is getting variety and enough its ok right?
>
> I plan to split the feeding to 2 times a day. She does well so far
> with 2 a day.
>
> Thoughts? Comments? Odd looks (lol I need a laugh)?
>
> Kathy in MO
> Angel - Black Lab
>

Kathy
If you have a super wal-mart close buy you can get 10 lb
bag of chicken quarters for .47 per lb. And beef
kidney for 1.14, chicken gizzards for 1.24,canned
jack macrel .92 per can.I also shop other
supermarket sales for beef hart and ground beef.
With 2 mastiffs at 200lbs it could get expenseve
at 3 lbs per dog per day.If you need any additional info
let me know.
Pete

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3a. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
Posted by: "becky brooks" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:07 am ((PST))

It's different for each dog, but generally speaking they alternate between chicken leg quarters, gizzard/hearts, liver, pork, fish, some beef and the occasional frozen meat patties when we run out of time. I'm also working on getting a deer. this dog does not appear to be exactly fit. She's overweight, distended tummy, lethargic (from what we saw last night anyway.) Do you think I should try chicken leg quarters for a week or so and see how she does? I'm worried about giving her the runs...
Becky

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote: --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Becky Brooks (Marsh)"
<kidcreations1@...> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering what is the best way to transition her over to raw?
> We have 4 dogs
> currently on raw and haven't had a problem, but I'm concerned about
> her since she's never had anything other than kibble and her tummy
> seems way to fat.

Hey Becky,
Congratulations on your new puppy. Don't buy any kibble and don't
bring any home with her. Start her off on raw the first meal you
feed her at your house. I prefer beginning on chicken backs but you
don't really have time to get any before she comes home. They are
pretty hard to find and you will probably have to get them special
ordered. Since you won't be able to get them, use chicken leg
quarters instead.

What exactly are you feeding your other 4?

Bill Carnes

http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3b. Re: New Great Dane puppy - need advice please
Posted by: "becky brooks" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:07 am ((PST))

Thanks, Sandee. At her age, do you recommend feeding once or twice a day? Or does it matter as long as she's getting the right amount per day? They currently feed her kibble twice a day.
Becky

Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote: Becky,

Just switch her to raw when you get her home. No transition necessary.
Being overweight and having a distended stomach could merely be due to
inappropriate food/too much food...but you aren't going to know that until
you see how she does on real food.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" <kidcreations1@yahoo.com>

We have just bought a new Great Dane puppy tonight and will be picking
her up in 2 days. She is 7 months old, overweight with a distended
tummy, and has been on a kibble called "Diamond". I'm wondering what
is the best way to transition her over to raw? We have 4 dogs
currently on raw and haven't had a problem, but I'm concerned about
her since she's never had anything other than kibble and her tummy
seems way to fat. Any advice would be helpful.

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