[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12408

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: chicken backs only?
From: Laurie Swanson
1b. Re: chicken backs only?
From: carnesbill
1c. Re: chicken backs only?
From: Laurie Swanson
1d. Re: chicken backs only?
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Which parts do I ask the butcher for?
From: Carrin
2b. Re: Which parts do I ask the butcher for?
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
From: eyed_blue

4a. how much bone variety?
From: sue
4b. Re: how much bone variety?
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

5a. Re: hip dysplasia
From: blue eyed
5b. Re: hip dysplasia
From: Michelle Grabert
5c. Re: hip dysplasia
From: Giselle
5d. Re: hip dysplasia
From: Michelle Grabert

6a. Re: So I decided to switch
From: cutensexyb89
6b. Re: So I decided to switch
From: Sandee Lee
6c. Re: trimming messages
From: Laurie Swanson
6d. Re: So I decided to switch
From: carnesbill

7a. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
From: Pamela Picard
7b. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
From: Casey Post
7c. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
From: Lisa Blair

8a. Fish head & spine
From: T Smith
8b. Re: Fish head & spine
From: judy tallant

9. blood tests and weigh ins ...
From: Amy T

10a. Re: Picky on which CUTS of meat?
From: carnesbill

11a. Re: Offered Fish
From: costrowski75

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1a. Re: chicken backs only?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:10 pm ((PST))

Bill,

I just want to clarify as I think your statement below might cause some
confusion. I was under the impression that even you thought a steady
diet of only backs is too boney. Are you saying all you feed is 2
chicken backs per day to each of your dogs (I don't think so...)? I'm
pretty sure you feed meatier items, some boneless items, and organs
also. So you are, in a sense, adding to the backs, it would seem, no?

Thanks,

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:

> I have been feeding 2 backs a day for 5
> years without adding the first thing to them.

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1b. Re: chicken backs only?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:47 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...>
wrote:
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> Bill,
>
> I was under the impression that even
> you thought a steady diet of only backs is too boney.

A steady diet of backs ONLY is too boney.

> Are you saying all you feed is 2
> chicken backs per day to each of your dogs (I don't think so...)?

Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying and have been doing it for 5
years. I don't think a day has gone by in 5 years that my dog's
didn't get 2 chicken backs.

> I'm
> pretty sure you feed meatier items, some boneless items,
> and organs also.

Yes, I feed a good bit of boneless meat and I feed a little organ
meat.

> So you are, in a sense, adding to the backs, it would seem, no?

No, the morning meal is 2 chicken backs only.

"When I ran a busy veterinary practice, many of my clients fed
almost exclusively chicken backs and frames -- whether to adult dogs
or litters of puppies -- and their animals showed excellent health."
Dr. Tom Lonsdale "Work Wonders" Page 25

As I said before, none of my dogs has ever had diarrhea or a mushy
stool since they began eating raw. I have never seen white out of
the chute stools either but most are white in a day or two.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1c. Re: chicken backs only?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))

Bill,

I think we are saying the same thing--just in different words. It
sounds like you are saying you don't add anything to the backs in
that same meal. Their morning meal is backs, but that implies there
is an evening meal of something less boney or boneless. I think that
point may have been lost earlier.

So I don't think there is much of a disagreement here--balance out
boney items with boneless, whether it's in the same meal or the next
one.

No biggie--I just like clarity.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
>> Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying and have been doing it for 5
> years. I don't think a day has gone by in 5 years that my dog's
> didn't get 2 chicken backs.
>
> Yes, I feed a good bit of boneless meat and I feed a little organ
> meat.
>
> No, the morning meal is 2 chicken backs only.
>

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1d. Re: chicken backs only?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:07 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
>
> So I don't think there is much of a disagreement here--balance out
> boney items with boneless, whether it's in the same meal or the next
> one.
>
> No biggie--I just like clarity.

Cool. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Which parts do I ask the butcher for?
Posted by: "Carrin" mntgrl_2000@yahoo.com mntgrl_2000
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:30 pm ((PST))

Thank you.... Carrin

In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Carrin,
>
> Focus on meaty portions...roasts, whole legs or whole necks
(meaning no meat
> removed), meaty ribs, brisket, whole oxtail, shoulders, organs,
etc. Think
> meat rather than bone. Get the entire critter if you can! :) You
might
> want to visit Kevin's recipe section to get an idea of what is
> appropriate.....
> http://rawfeddogs.net
>
> You don't want bare bones or marrow bones devoid of meat.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "Carrin" <mntgrl_2000@...>
>
>
> I have found a processor who deals with Beef, Pork, Goat and Sheep.
> They said they could give me prices, but I just don't know
> which "parts" I should be asking for.
>
> I know that I would like to get some raw bones w/marrow for "treat"
> time, but not sure what else I could use.
>

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2b. Re: Which parts do I ask the butcher for?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:23 pm ((PST))

"Carrin" <mntgrl_2000@...> wrote:
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> I have found a processor who deals with Beef, Pork, Goat and Sheep.
> They said they could give me prices, but I just don't know
> which "parts" I should be asking for.
*****
Ask them for a price sheet. Then we can discuss the product list with
you.

I know that I would like to get some raw bones w/marrow for "treat"
> time, but not sure what else I could use.
>
*****
Actually, no. You do not want marrow bones for treat time. The bones
that make the best treats are those slathered with meat, the one's that
are in fact your dog's dinner. Marrow bones are denser than your dog's
teeth are strong. When the two collide the bones will win.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
Posted by: "eyed_blue" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:47 pm ((PST))

Hiya, i have a dobe and I'm afraid to say that as much as each dog is
different to the next and there are exceptions within the breed, they
do seem to be prone to loose, sloppy stools, however since starting
the raw feeding with him, its been great in the sense that you really
do get to 'know your dog' for instance he rarely suffers loose
motions now(at least not without a reason)and I have learnt that he
is just one of those dogs that needs a bit more bone in his diet than
some.

If I were you I would keep feeding chicken, ground chicken wings and
a little green tripe are great with my dog (I only say ground as an
alternative to holding them as I feel that they are small for a dobe
otherwise..)but you might want to start introducing variety soon,
frozen turkey necks are a favourite and plenty bone to meat to keep
stools firm, if too firm/powdery you can add some chicken/turkey meat.

Eventually as you go you will see what amounts of meat to bone suit
your dog.

The other thing is that I have now introduced a single fast day once
per week and this has been great for his digestion, however I think
that maybe your dog is a bit too young for that, unless she has a
bout of 'the runs' and then I would let her skip a single meal.....

If you are looking to introduce something other than poultry, my next
suggestion would be lamb RMB's as these are nice soft easily digested
bone.

Hope this helps,

Feel free to mail me with any queries,
Natalie

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4a. how much bone variety?
Posted by: "sue" s406@dejazzd.com sue406a
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:47 pm ((PST))

I adopted a 12 year old min pin in July. He had teeth like I cant
even say what... green hunks of rot mostly, and breath to match. I
struggeld for two days about what to do. I had never fed raw to
anything less than 50# and they were 50+# pit bulls at that. A 9# min
pin was waaaaaaaay beyond my scope of comfort. I happened on a rabbit
for my girls two days after he came home, I gave him a front leg and
neither one of us has looked back. He is off his thyroid meds that the
vet gave me when I first took him for blood work, and his teeth (when I
can look at them) are amazing. My concern is that he is a little
fussy about what he will attempt to crunch and at his age I can't say I
blame him. I do ok with tough love for the girls, but not so much
with him.
He won't work on pork bones, or veal. He is quite a fan of poultry
which I am not. He will crunch through rabbit bones, loves chuckars
and chicken, and likes fish. So are an assortment of poultry and some
rabbit and fish bones enough of a variety? He eats a good amount of
boneless pork, venison, and beef heart so meat variety is good IMO. I
just wonder about necessity of bone variety

Sue S

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4b. Re: how much bone variety?
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))

IMO, whatever you can get him comfortable with, works. And it sounds like you have cleared up the teeth, and he has variety where the meat is concerned, so no worries. If he gets his bones from what he likes, then give the poor old minpin, what he likes and let him have his meat and eat his favorite bones:)
Go with what works, and worry about the big stuff, like if he wasn't eating at all.
You're doing a great job. Patt yourself on the back and throw everyone a bone, and sit back and watch the party:)
Jeni

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5a. Re: hip dysplasia
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))

I have to say, I agree with Giselle here on what to feed but just remember its variety over time, dont change things too fast or you will end up with diahrea to clean up!

I have heard that chicken wings are the best natural source of glucosamine, but again all natural raw meaty bones will have the best nutrition for her joints.

Perhaps adding fish to the diet will help too but I'm sure there will be others more experienced with your situation to give more detailed advice.

Natalie

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5b. Re: hip dysplasia
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))

Boy I feel like a doe doe egg sometimes keepin on asking what is this and what is that..but what is beef "gullets'? thanks. Michelle

Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Maradeth!
Sorry to hear that diagnosis for your Daisy. One of the
problems that guided me to a species appropriate raw diet was HD in two of
my Newfs.

Four things I see that I'd recommend you change in your dog's diet from your
text;
1) veggie mix - not appropriate - this is taking the place of needed
nutrients - meat, fat, bone, organ..
2) chicken backs - too bony - dogs need 80% meat, 10% edible bone.
3) chicken backs - no protein or animal part variety - dog's need plenty of
red meat in their diet.
4) chicken backs and veggies - there's no organ variety - 10% of your dog's
diet should be organs - 3-5% liver and 5-7% "other", like kidney, spleen,
sweetbreads (thymus and pancreas)

I further recommend that, after you do some reading of the archives and
links on this list so you can refocus and plan a more optimum diet, is that
you feed trachea or beef gullet as treats. Edible bone and cartilaginous
parts have condroitin sulfate, which are beneficial for dogs who have HD.
You might want to supplement with glucosamine also, which, I believe, comes
from the shells of critters like shrimp, and can be purchased as a pill or
powder.

Judicious exercise, such as therapeutic walking in a treadmill pool or light
weight pulling with a child's sled, can build up the muscles around the hip
sockets to reduce pain and facilitate easy movement. I'd recommend that you
ask your vet for a referral to a therapy specialist or orthopod.

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

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On Dec 21, 2007 11:41 AM, maradethc <maradethc@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone....
> I just took my great dane coonhound lab mix to the vet and she has hip
> dysplasia. Not sure what to do next. She is about 9 months old. I hope
> that anyone can give me some advice on what to do next.
> She gets veggie mix and chicken backs most of the time. Thanks and have
> a good Christmas!
> Maradeth (daisy)
>
>

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5c. Re: hip dysplasia
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:55 pm ((PST))

Hi, Michelle!
Beef trachea and gullet are part of the dogestive system
between the mouth and the stomach.
Very high in condroitin sulfate.
Pics on this page when you scroll down;
http://www.greentripe.com/

Asking Qs is the best way to find out the As. ; )
Keep on asking!

TC
Giselle

On Dec 21, 2007 7:12 PM, Michelle Grabert <chalienme@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Boy I feel like a doe doe egg sometimes keeping on asking what is this
> and what is that..but what is beef "gullets'? thanks. Michelle
>
>
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5d. Re: hip dysplasia
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:11 pm ((PST))

Thankyou Giselle! well appreciate~! michelle

Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Michelle!
Beef trachea and gullet are part of the dogestive system
between the mouth and the stomach.
Very high in condroitin sulfate.
Pics on this page when you scroll down;
http://www.greentripe.com/

Asking Qs is the best way to find out the As. ; )
Keep on asking!

TC
Giselle

On Dec 21, 2007 7:12 PM, Michelle Grabert <chalienme@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Boy I feel like a doe doe egg sometimes keeping on asking what is this
> and what is that..but what is beef "gullets'? thanks. Michelle
>
>
>

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6a. Re: So I decided to switch
Posted by: "cutensexyb89" cutensexyb89@yahoo.com cutensexyb89
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:31 pm ((PST))

Thank you, you all are really helpful
I am going to alternate between chicken parts, and hopefully find some
whole chickens to cut up, do the small game hens count as chicken? Or
would that upset them? I am going on a road trip with the girls in a
week and think it would be easier to buy a small hen or 1/2 a chicken
for them instead of having to get individual pieces. I will try the
all chicken this week and see how it goes. They have had some gas and
seem a bit tired, probably from the pigs foot I gave them last night,
I got a little to excited. Even after this mornings meal, it is
strange to see them have full expanded bellies, with kibble I never
saw their belly expand. And I got the terminology about their
breakfast wrong it was a chicken leg quarter, not a thigh (is their a
difference)
This is probably a bad question but would it do damage to give them
some Primal (pre-made raw) once a week?

Also what does trim your message mean?
Thanks
Madie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cutensexyb89" <cutensexyb89@...>
wrote:
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> EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES!
>
>
>
>
> Thank you
> You all are so helpful
> I think I will stick to chicken for a week or 2, but since they have
> already been getting ribs 2-3 times a week, do you think they can have
> them with their chicken?
> This morning they each got a chicken thigh, is that enough? Should I
> give them a egg or a rib? I think I went to quickly yesterday and gave
> them a bellyache, I am going to stay away from the pork and heavy
> meats for a few weeks.
> I keep reading that it is best to give them actual carcasses, but my
> girls are so small they don't need that much food, can I get a chicken
> or a rabbit and cut it into fourths?
> Muscle meats are just boneless meats? Correct?
> So after there bodies adjust to this, I could give them a chicken
> thigh, piece of heart or live and a piece of boneless chicken breast
> and that would even cover the rmb's muscle and organ for the day?
> Also do you mix proteins? Could I do beef shoulder with chicken breast?
> Thank you
> Madie
>

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6b. Re: So I decided to switch
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:38 pm ((PST))

Hi Madie,

The game hens aren't any different than chicken so should be fine. A
chicken quarter is a thigh/leg combination.
Primal isn't going to be of any benefit...is there some reason for wanting
to feed it once a week?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "cutensexyb89" <cutensexyb89@yahoo.com>
I am going to alternate between chicken parts, and hopefully find some
whole chickens to cut up, do the small game hens count as chicken? Or
would that upset them? I am going on a road trip with the girls in a
week and think it would be easier to buy a small hen or 1/2 a chicken
for them instead of having to get individual pieces.

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6c. Re: trimming messages
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:44 pm ((PST))

Hi Madie,

Trimming messages means deleting unnecessary parts of the message you
are responding to. You can delete the entire previous message, or
you can leave whatever relevant parts you want in order to remind
people of the thread/conversation. See what I've done below. This
is especially helpful for readers on digest who receive blocks of
messages in their inboxes, so they don't have to scroll through pages
and pages of the same message over and over to see the replies (from
what I've heard, anyway--I read the messages on the web). I've also
changed the subject line to make it more clear what this message is
about so readers can decide whether to read it or not.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cutensexyb89" <cutensexyb89@...>
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> Also what does trim your message mean?
> Thanks
> Madie
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6d. Re: So I decided to switch
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:10 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cutensexyb89" <cutensexyb89@...>
wrote:
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> do the small game hens count as chicken? Or
> would that upset them?

Game hens are chickens.

> I am going on a road trip with the girls in a
> week and think it would be easier to buy a small hen or 1/2
> a chicken for them instead of having to get individual pieces.

Whatever is easiest will work OK.

> And I got the terminology about their
> breakfast wrong it was a chicken leg quarter, not a thigh
> (is their a difference)

Yes, a big difference. A chicken quarter is a thigh/drumstick/part
of a back all in one piece.

> This is probably a bad question but would it do damage to give them
> some Primal (pre-made raw) once a week?

I don't know why you would want to. It won't "damage" them but at
the same time it will not do them any good. There is no advantage
for doing so other than to increase Primal's pocketbook.

> Also what does trim your message mean?

It meanst to cut out the irrevalent parts of the post you are
snswering.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7a. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:08 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "homesforallpets"
<homesforallpets@...> wrote:
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> Here is a really odd question. My dog (Angel) has caught and eaten
> wild rats and field mice. Can I raise rats to feed her? I know its
> unconventional but I have a chance to start breeding them and have no
> qualms about processing them for her.
>
> Kathy in MO
> Angel - Pure Lab
> ??? - Lab/Chow mix
> and Oreo and Turkey (cats)
>
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Rabbit is bony meat versus meaty bone. I feed it, but interspersed
with lots of meaty meat like pork shoulder and turkey breast. Rats
would also be bony.

Consider this, a 50 lb dog needs upwards to 2 lbs of food a day -
approximately 80:10:10 ratio of meat:bone:organ.

So unless you are serving them as appetizers, I think they will
ultimately be too small prey for the size dogs you are raising.

Pamela Picard
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7b. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:02 pm ((PST))

> Rabbit is bony meat versus meaty bone. I feed it, but interspersed
> with lots of meaty meat like pork shoulder and turkey breast. Rats
> would also be bony.

I disagree. Whole rats are not bony (just as whole rabbits aren't bony).
And whole prey is the ideal of the diet, so I would recommend feeding whole
rats! Especially rats that you raise yourself on a proper whole foods diet.

Casey

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7c. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
Posted by: "Lisa Blair" lkblair@yahoo.com lkblair
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:09 pm ((PST))

EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEAS TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.

I agree that whole rats really aren't bony. We have rats as pets, and they are far from bony (esp my big boys!). Also, many male rats often reach a pound or more in weight, so could easily serve as one meal if you feed twice a day, a good portion of a once daily meal, or a good size 'snack' on a day after a gorge meal.

If you do end up doing this, definitely look for good size breeders. I'm sure you know this part as a rabbit breeder, but I'll mention it in case anyone else is considering it - please consider that rats are intelligent creatures and deserve a good quality of life. This includes avoiding overbreeding your mommas. Lastly, consider that rats often have very large litters - more than you may care to feed. So look for other folks in your area that may be interested (other canine or feline RAW feeders, reptile owners, or even those that may be looking for pets).

Lisa

I disagree. Whole rats are not bony (just as whole rabbits aren't bony).

And whole prey is the ideal of the diet, so I would recommend feeding whole

rats! Especially rats that you raise yourself on a proper whole foods diet.

Casey

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8a. Fish head & spine
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:44 pm ((PST))

+++Mod note: pls keep signatures to 4 lines or less. This one trimmed for you. ++++++++++

Hi all,
I have oportunity to get fish heads & spines for free.
Is this ok to add to their diet?
Thank You,
Trina
--
Chip (senior cancer deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf & epileptic Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)

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8b. Re: Fish head & spine
Posted by: "judy tallant" judy@tallant.com judyltallant
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:10 pm ((PST))

You betcha!

On Dec 21, 2007, at 6:14 PM, T Smith wrote:

> I have oportunity to get fish heads & spines for free.
> Is this ok to add to their diet?

Judy Tallant
Snohomish, Wa

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9. blood tests and weigh ins ...
Posted by: "Amy T" amypatriciatracy@gmail.com rosiesmomlovesrosie
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:45 pm ((PST))

After just a few days on this list, I realize that you veterans of the
raw scene answer the same questions over and over from us newbies.
Thank you for your patience!! And it's always helpful when you post a
list thread or external link. (The archives can be intimidating
sometimes.) And to that end, two questions:

1. I'm wondering when and how often I'll need to do a blood test on
Rosie to make sure all is kosher with her systems.

2. Since there is no height and weight chart for my little mutt, should
I just "eye ball" whether or not she's packing on the pounds? Or would
you suggest weighing her regularly? I'm currently feeding her 2.5% or
so of her body weight, and she's very active. I want to learn how to be
in tune as much as possible with her body.

Amy(and Rosie!)

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10a. Re: Picky on which CUTS of meat?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:17 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Firestone, Adam C."
<Adam.C.Firestone@...> wrote:
>
> Is this something about which I should be concerned?

Yes, absolutely. Picky eaters are made not born and you are well on
your way to making one.

> Is there any way to make Sabot more open to new things?

Yes, give him some food. After 10 minutes of no interest, take it
up and put it in the fridge. Don't fuss. Don't make a big deal of
it. Just do it with no emotion. No between meal snacks or treats.
Next meal take out the exact same stuff you put away last meal.
Repeat this process until the dog eats the meal. Follow this same
proceedure everytime the dog refused to eat what is offered.

Be prepared for the dog to hold out for several days. Most cave in
a day or two but others can be stubborn especially if you have been
the one caving. Don't worry, the dog won't allow himself to starve
to death although you may wonder sometimes. No dog will starve to
death in the presence of food. Don't see yourself as starving your
dog. You are offering food every meal. It is him who is making the
decision to eat or not.

> Also, we're babysitting a pug, for whom I've gotten some cut
> up chicken wings.

Is this dog normally fed raw? If not I would be very careful. I
also would not cut up chicken wings. They are plenty small enough
without being cut up. Chicken wings are too small for all but the
smallest of dogs.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11a. Re: Offered Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:33 pm ((PST))

"Maggie Smith" <redkeds@...> wrote:>
> the reason you can not find fresh or uncooked sardines is that they
do
> not exist. i believe it is small mackeral or similar fish that are
> caught and then processed/cooked, to become sardines.
*****
Say what?

I could see pilchard standing in for sardines (and vice versa); there
are a variety of sardine-like fish (or pilchard-like fish) in the
herring family. But I don't think mackerel is one of them.

The remaning sardine fishing and canning in Monterey Bay sure as
shootin' fishes for and cans sardines. Really.

Here is a lovely website that should clear things up:
http://ca-seafood.ucdavis.edu/facts/species.htm

Chris O

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