[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12405

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Ok - I'm about ready to go for it!/feeding amounts
From: Laurie Swanson

2a. Re: Ok - I'm about ready to go for it!
From: sltahoek9s

3a. Re: I am sooo worthless...
From: jennifer_hell
3b. Re: I am sooo worthless...
From: skittles888@aol.com

4.1. Newbie Intro
From: Jo

5a. Re: Pork shoulder part deux
From: Morledzep@aol.com

6a. Re: Where do you get your meat?
From: sheepandakom

7a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
From: cloghgannon

8a. Re: anyone in devon uk
From: cloghgannon

9a. Re: OFF TOPIC - freezers
From: emil smolensky

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1a. Re: Ok - I'm about ready to go for it!/feeding amounts
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:40 pm ((PST))

Hi Jessica,

The amount to feed really depends on your dog, how active, whether
she's already at her ideal weight (sounds like she might be slightly
underweight? although our ideas about weight are all skewed since so
many dogs are obese now...), etc. A good starting point is about 2-3%
of the dog's ideal adult weight per day. Smaller dogs often need on
the higher end and bigger dogs usually need less (as percentage of body
weight). There are some here that feed around 1-1.5% and some that
feed around 4%. Just start somewhere and adjust as needed! Starting
with meals a bit on the smaller side will help you avoid liquid poos in
the beginning, but I'm not saying you need to starve your dog or
anything. :-)

My 23# Boston isn't very active right now and he's eating about .5#/day
(2%). When he's been more active, he ate closer to 3%/day.

So for your 120 lb. dog, 2% would be almost 2.5# per day, 3% would be a
little over 3.5# per day. That's the ball park--give it a go!

Good luck,

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jhusselstein" <jhusselstein@...>
wrote:
>> So, if Kona is about 120 pounds ( she's kinda scrawny - she won't
> eat more than 3 or so cups of dry food,and you can JUst see all of
> her ribs when she's stretched out..., I should bee feeding her about
> a pound and a half a day, right?

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2a. Re: Ok - I'm about ready to go for it!
Posted by: "sltahoek9s" crazy4k9@aol.com sltahoek9s
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:43 pm ((PST))

Welcome Jessica!

I've been raw feeding two months now and it's going great. Had a couple bumps along
the way, but got through them quickly with the wonderful support from this group.

This list recommends 80% meat, 10% edible bone and 10% organs. My suggestion is to
ditch the chicken backs (not enough meat) and go for whole chickens. You will want to
cut them to meal portions. Start out with smaller more frequent meals and work towards
larger, more psychologically and physically satisfying meals. My dogs prefer to eat one
meal a day so they can have more at one sitting. I'm working them towards a gorge and
rest style of feeding but taking my time since they are still fairly new.

Start her out SLOWLY. Stick with chicken for at least a week to two weeks and if all is
going well, then you can add in a little new protein or organ meats at a time. Hold on to
those chicken organs and freeze them for later. No sense in wasting ;)

General recommendation is feeding 2-3% of ideal body weight. So if your girl is ideal at
120 lbs, you would want to feed her somewhere between 2.4 and 3.6 lbs of food per day.
That's about half a chicken each day. This is only a guideline and rule number one is
"Know your dog!" Feed her as much as she needs to maintain a lean and healthy body.
Too lean and you can add more food or feed fattier meats. Too fat and you cut back or
trim some fat. Only you will know what's right for your own dog.

Oh and you'll want to stay away from any enhanced meats. These tend to cause reactions
or loose stools.

Good luck and stick with it! Your dog will thank you for years to come.

Tammy C

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3a. Re: I am sooo worthless...
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:43 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, heather pavelin <hpav061378@...> wrote:
>
>
> It does get better!! Take it from a vegetarian that feeds raw meat
to her dogs lol.

Same here, hehehe! Vegetarian raw feeders, be strong! Lol!!!

Jennifer with Mandy

(Oooh yes, cow tongue is icky...but Mandy loves it!)

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3b. Re: I am sooo worthless...
Posted by: "skittles888@aol.com" skittles888@aol.com swayzepetsitting
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:10 am ((PST))

Don't worry, preparing raw meat does get easier.?

But you know what?? Since I don't eat any meat or animal products, I find it much easier preparing raw meat for my babies.? When I used to eat meat, I couldn't go near the kitchen when my Mom was handling any raw or slightly cooked animal parts.? If I saw it, I could not eat it.? Now, it doesn't matter to me because I don't eat it!? Plus, it makes eating fruits and veggies soooooo much more appealing.

Swayze and Bean Dip, Sniff, McGuirk, and Finnigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Irene Clark <ireneclark@gmail.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:03 pm
Subject: [rawfeeding] I am sooo worthless...

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4.1. Newbie Intro
Posted by: "Jo" mistielass@yahoo.co.uk mistielass
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:01 am ((PST))

Hi

I am new to the list so I thought I would introduce myself. My name
is Jo and I live in the uk with my 3 dogs(2 westies and an aussie
shepherd) Mistie, Megan and Faith. I have been feeding raw for the
past 3 months, but I am still on the basics of ground meat
(beef,Turkey and Lamb), chicken wings, heart, kidney and liver.
I have tried them on lamd ribs and chunks of beef but whenever I try
to inroduce lumps of red meat they get violent diarrhoea. Am I going
to fast for their tummies?
Also I am getting conflicting info from different websites on
quantities. Some say 10% chicken wings 10% offal and 80% meat, Some
say 60% chicken wings, 10% offal and 30% meat. I am reaaly confused.
At the moment my 7kg westies get
50g ground mince with bone in the morning with 15g offal &
1 chicken wing in the evening.
My 17kg aussie gets
100 ground mince with bone in the morning with 40g of offal &
2 chicken wings and 100g ground mince with bone in the evening.
They all seem sable in weight at this amount but I would like to
introduce some more variety.How do I do this with out upsetting there
tummies.

Kind regards
Jo

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5a. Re: Pork shoulder part deux
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:01 am ((PST))

In a message dated 12/20/2007 6:28:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jcraver1@nc.rr.com writes:

I went out and
picked some up yesterday, but noticed they have a pretty thick layer of
skin (?) still on them... do you recommend I cut this off or leave it
on?

Jen C.

leave the skin and the fat on.. the skin is tough and is excellent for
cleaning teeth, and dogs use fat the way we use carbs for energy.. well.. maybe not
chemically the same way..

Anyway.. fat and skin are GOOD things.. if it's there feed it.

Catherine R.

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6a. Re: Where do you get your meat?
Posted by: "sheepandakom" sheepandakom@yahoo.com sheepandakom
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:01 am ((PST))

I was buying meat for the dogs the other day and had bought some whole
fish. The cashier is from Haiti. She was asking me how I prepared
the whole fish. I told her they were for the dogs--she was appalled,
but she did give me some great tips on how to eat and store mangos.

Emily

>
> And enough kind and charming Filipino cashiers have asked me how *I*
> prepare "long feet" that I finally asked them how they do it. Voila,
> deep fried. So now I chime right in with "deep fried" and no one's the
> wiser.

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7a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
Posted by: "cloghgannon" qigong@bluebottle.com cloghgannon
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:01 am ((PST))

Hi there,

I'm glad you got your dog sorted, I would say stick with the raw
feeding it really is the way to go!

I'm getting a Dobermann pup in Feb'08 and was wondering if anyone had
advice on raw feeding a young pup? If you have any links that may be
useful that would also be appreciated. I have a source of minced green
tripe and chicken, I just happened to ask and a reasonably local
greyhound breeder feeds his dogs this way and is willing to sell me
some for my dog.

So a new freezer in the sales is in order and get it stocked up for
Feb. Looking forward to our new pup!

Cheers

cg

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8a. Re: anyone in devon uk
Posted by: "cloghgannon" qigong@bluebottle.com cloghgannon
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:38 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "bekki1996" <pasha15@...> wrote:
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> hello, we are new to raw feeding (10 days now) and are trying to find a
> good supplier in devon, uk. are there any other members in this area?
> bekki
>

A real good bet are these folks...

http://www.landywoods.co.uk/

You will need a dedicated freezer, but its worth it!

Cheers

cg

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9a. Re: OFF TOPIC - freezers
Posted by: "emil smolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:33 am ((PST))

That is an excellent idea! Does insulation absorb water in case it rains or snows heavily?
E & Reagan

----- Original Message ----
From: Erika <Erika@redangelbordeaux.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:24:02 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re:OFF TOPIC - freezers

If you know someone who is handy you could build a box out of plywood around the freezer (like a trunk of sorts) with a lid. Make the box about 3 -4 inches larger than the freezer and then fill the gap with insulation. Be sure to cut a hole in the back and put in a vent where the motor is so that it can get ventalation and will not overheat. This should help with the electric bill and keep all the elements like rain out of the freezer.

Lots of people just stick these chest freezers out on the back patio and wrap insulation around them or keep them in the garage. I think the insulated box is a much better idea personally ;)

Erika

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