[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12403

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. For liver...try searing....
From: Erin Hartiens-Santiago

2a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker
2b. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
From: Giselle
2c. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Introducing Myself!
From: katkellm

4a. Re: cat is joining us
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

5a. Re: OT Cruciate ligament tear -- OT - private responses requested
From: Sonja

6a. Dental issues
From: Erin Hartiens-Santiago
6b. Re: Dental issues
From: Casey Post

7a. Re: Eight wild Bunnies and Fish oil - muskrat and beaver
From: costrowski75
7b. Re: Eight wild Bunnies and Fish oil - muskrat and beaver
From: Susanne MacLeod

8a. ADMIN/Re: OT Cruciate ligament tear -- OT - private responses reques
From: costrowski75

9a. So I decided to switch
From: cutensexyb89
9b. Re: So I decided to switch
From: Giselle
9c. Re: So I decided to switch
From: katkellm
9d. Re: So I decided to switch
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
9e. Re: So I decided to switch
From: carnesbill

10a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
From: Anna Labriola

11a. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
From: Dawn
11b. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
From: Michelle Grabert
11c. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
From: costrowski75
11d. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
From: Michelle Grabert

12a. Reposting: Eight wild Bunnies and Fish oil - muskrat and beaver
From: Susanne MacLeod

13. Feeding meat from ill animals
From: Maria

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1a. For liver...try searing....
Posted by: "Erin Hartiens-Santiago" erinhart75@yahoo.com erinhart75
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:06 pm ((PST))

My two of my four dogs refuse liver and kidney. I think something
with the texture is offensive to them. I tried mixing with egg...they
just licked the egg off. Mixing with other meats....they ate around
it. Even my cat was offended by the kidney (it smells pretty bad!). I
finally tried searing lightly (just enough to brown outside - about
15-20 seconds in a hot pan with a touch of oil) and they REALLY loved
it. Maybe it's psychological....They've trained me to give them
gourmet liver treats! haha

I also only feed the organ meats once a week (since it takes a little
more time to "cook" the meat) - plus they get such a small percentage
of that in their total diet, I can give them a bigger portion all at
once.

Good luck -
Cheers!
Erin Santiago and crew
(Sissy, Jake, Murray, Ollie and Maya)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
>
> >There is less and less interest in liver lately
>
> Hi. I think that force feeding is not something Il ike to do to my
dog.I rather like my dog eats it with open paws.did you try many
tricks to feed it??such as....
>
> 1>Quick sear
> 2>serve freeze
> 3> Mix with raw Egg
> 4>Mix with Tripe
> 5> Flavoring the liver with garlic or fish oil
>
> etc??
>
>

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2a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:01 pm ((PST))

I think that this is a little much for most of us!
Can we all take a deep breath and drop this topic?
Penny & The Menagerie

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2b. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:05 pm ((PST))

I'm breathing. Done, too.

Thanks, Penny!

TC
Giselle

On Dec 20, 2007 5:55 PM, Penny (Nickles) Parker <
loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think that this is a little much for most of us!
> Can we all take a deep breath and drop this topic?
> Penny & The Menagerie
>
>
>

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2c. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:18 pm ((PST))

"Nora Lenz" <nmlenz@...> wrote:
>
> A person who uses the terms "fasting" and "starving"
interchangeably,
> and suggests that there is not much difference between the two,
> clearly knows very little about either.
*****
Nora, I suggest you can use these very indictments against yourself.
What you would have to change however would be to change "either"
to "dogs" in to your sentence "...clearly knows very little about
either."

It seems obvious from your website that a. what you know about
nutrition and health is based on human references, that b. as a vegan
you are not conversant with the needs of a carnivore, that c. your
interests are not to feed your dog a species appropriate diet, d.
your interests are not to help others feed THEIR dogs a species
appropriatet diet, and e. your interests are completely commercial.

I quote, from your website:
"Healthful living is a skill and an art that takes many years to
master. No matter what stage you're at in the process, the right kind
of guidance and information can bring about important turning points
in your personal health evolution. If your goal is optimal health via
a 100% raw vegan lifestyle, click here to find out how RawSchool.com
can help!"

I recommend you focus on what you know. The vegans on this list may
well be interested in your varied programs and some may choose to
avail themselves of the full $300/month continuing support you offer;
but I doubt very much they want or need your advice in feeding their
carnivorous wolves a species appropriate diet.

Please delete all advertising from further posts. Please consider
comparing apples to apples (raw or not) when you are choosing your
citations to prove a point.
Chris O

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2d. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:19 pm ((PST))

ADMIN: This thread has plum wore itself out, and us as well. The
discussion is over. Thank you.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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3a. Re: Introducing Myself!
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:38 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Amy T" <amypatriciatracy@...> wrote:
We live in the city of Chicago, and frequent the
> dog beach here year round.

Hi Amy,
Welcome to the list. I live about an hour and a half sw of Chicago.
I do lots of slaughter house surfing because i live way out in the
country, but i have a friend who goes to Peoria Meat Packing for raw
stuff and loves it.

Peoria Packing Butcher Shop
1300 West Lake Street
Chicago, IL 60607
312-738-1800

They have heads and legs and all kinds of stuff. You have to wear a
coat because the place is a locker with all the stuff laid out.

Also, you could order tripe and lots of stuff, when you are ready,
from Taylor Pond Farm.

http://www.taylorpondfarms.com/

I am glad your dog is doing good. Nice to meet you, KathyM

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4a. Re: cat is joining us
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:38 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 12/20/2007 5:06:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, "donna"
writes:

I have a 2 year old cat who is determined to share the
raw goodies and sits and watches the puppy eating and awaits her time
to pounce and steal her bone.. so i guess she is telling me she
wants a raw diet :)
to update...for a week i have been giving chicken legs... she is
doing great. I have put her in a crate to eat so I know where she is
at while eating and when done as she is not of course house trained

****
Hi, Donna from Alabama...I'm from Alabama, too, although I've lived in
Kentucky for 35 years.

Your cat is wise and perceptive, and maybe even precocious....People are
usually saying they can't get their cat to touch raw meat. :) The rawcat sister
yahoo list mainly instructs on how to get cats transitioned over time, but
will discuss anything else somebody needs to deal with about rawfeeding. Like
with the dogs, they need a little bit of bones, a little bit of organs, and a
whole lot of meat.

Lynda

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5a. Re: OT Cruciate ligament tear -- OT - private responses requested
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:51 pm ((PST))

I have a dog who's an orthopedic disaster. With that being the case, I know of some great resources for information. If you want to know the pros/cons of traditional surgery vs TPLO, talk to the folks at the Orthodogs group. I've leaned heavily on these people three times in one year, I would have had a difficult time without 'em.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodogs/

If you're interested in recovery without surgery, steer towards the Conservative Management group.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ConservativeManagement/

Sonja

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6a. Dental issues
Posted by: "Erin Hartiens-Santiago" erinhart75@yahoo.com erinhart75
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:51 pm ((PST))

So my 7-yr-old, 42-pound Boxer (rescued approx. 5 years ago and
started on raw in August 2007) has had some pretty significant dental
issues over the past years. Unfortunately, I only learned about raw
feeding recently, so we're past the point of repair at this point.
She very bad teeth and is missing almost all her teeth in the front,
so she has trouble chewing large portions of meat. Her muscle meat
intake is so small (weight wise) that the chunks really are too small
as is (she just swallows without chewing). She DOES chew if I give
her ribs or leg quarters (too big to swallow whole!), but it seems to
be such a challenge for her take 20-30 minutes to get through 1/2
pound of meat. Her vet thinks that we are making the problem worse,
and that the best solution would be to give her bite-sized chunks of
meat since she is swallowing everything without chewing (her logic
being to avoid a blockage and to avoid "wearing down her teeth"). I'm
very interested in a second opinion at this point!

So...advice please!

Thanks a million!

Erin Santiago and crew

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6b. Re: Dental issues
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:14 pm ((PST))

>Her vet thinks that we are making the problem worse,
> and that the best solution would be to give her bite-sized chunks of
> meat since she is swallowing everything without chewing (her logic
> being to avoid a blockage and to avoid "wearing down her teeth").

Erin,

What your vet fails to understand is that eating whole foods that require
work will help her keep what teeth she has left!

I was feeding a cat with three teeth left in his head and while he couldn't
eat bones (he had to have ground bone-in stuff for bone content in his
life), he could eat whole foods like pork ribs and turkey drumsticks once he
developed a technique that worked for him (holding down with front feet like
a dog and tearing off what bits he could through sheer force of will!).

To the day he died, that cat had three of the cleanest teeth in town! And
his jaws were fearsome strong like a snapping turtle (and his neck and
shoulders were heavily muscled from the workouts, too). Even when he was so
ill at the end of his life (lymphoma), every vet who opened his mouth would
say, "Wow!" because they were used to nearly toothless cats who had funky
teeth and mushy gums - not this cat! Those three little teeth gleamed and
his gums were firm, strong, and clean.

Oral health is more than teeth - it's the whole mouth!

So I would definitely keep feeding whole foods to your girl. She may have
trouble with poultry skin (my cat did), so it might be helpful for her if
you scored it up with a knife (easier to do if it's partially frozen - trust
me), first. You may also want to see if she does better with partially
frozen whole foods? My neighbor's dog has VERY worn teeth (he's kibble fed,
btw) and when he comes by for his "secret" rat snacks (it's our little
secret - his owner would freak out if she knew because she's highly
rodent-phobic), I make sure that he only gets mostly frozen ones because he
cannot break them up with his worn-down teeth, otherwise. Man, that dog
loves his rats! <g>

You'll have to watch your girl to make sure that she's not going to get
frustrated and just try swallowing something too large for her, though. One
of those "know thy dog" situations, yes?

Casey

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7a. Re: Eight wild Bunnies and Fish oil - muskrat and beaver
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:41 pm ((PST))

"Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...> wrote:
> How long do I need to freeze for any parasite (tape, and tulamaria)?
*****
There is clear evidence that tularemia is not the big deal for dogs
that many make it out to be. I recommend you freeze the bunnies solid
and leave them frozen for a week. That'll take care of them tapes.

> Also the bones seem very very sharp.
*****
I've only fed domestic rabbits and I'm not sure of the age but my guess
is they were no older than middle age. The bones were not a problem to
my 30 pound border collie, nor to my 10 pound cat. The dog ate the
bones all up, the cat ate the ends but left the long middles. The
sharpness of the bones did not appear to be an issue.

> My friend who also took care of Joey and Kate, gave them WAY TOO much
> Artic Vigor (seal oil) - a whole bottle. A bottle usually lasts me 2-
> 3 months. Should I be concerned? Kate's had some runny poo's, but
> that's about it.
*****
I don't think you're likely to see much more than runny poo's. You
should ask your friend if there were any incidents during your
absence. The results of excess oil consumption are not likely to go
unnoticed.

> I also am planning on moving back home and will have access to
> musjrat, beaver and moose...any advice?
*****
Certainly all three are species appropriate. I think you should count
your blessings!
Chris O

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7b. Re: Eight wild Bunnies and Fish oil - muskrat and beaver
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:50 pm ((PST))

Chris...you're always there to guide me - thanks so much. Gosh ...I
knew soooo little just over 2 1/2 years ago. I have since switched so
many people to feeding their dogs raw...so glad we connected. Thanks
for all the guidance!
Suz Kate and Joey

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8a. ADMIN/Re: OT Cruciate ligament tear -- OT - private responses reques
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:46 pm ((PST))

The original poster properly requested private responses. Don't take
any more chances. Either post privately or take the discussion to
RawChat. This is not the list on which to discuss cruciate ligament
tears. Further postings will be deleted.
Thanks.
Chris O
Mod Team

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9a. So I decided to switch
Posted by: "cutensexyb89" cutensexyb89@yahoo.com cutensexyb89
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:54 pm ((PST))

MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!!

So today I woke up and decided to go all raw :)

I have been researching it all day and decided to go out and buy some
basics, here is what I got

pork shoulder
turkey drummetes
chicken drumsticks
beef feet
chicken leg quarters
pork neckbones
pig feet
eggs
beef hearts
chicken liver
shoulder cross rib steak
7 lbs rib bones
chicken thighs
lamb shoulder/ neck slices
leg quarters

So now I don't know what to do, I know they need about 8-9 ounces a
day. But I am really worried. They are so active, I worry they won't
get proper nutrition or that they will get contaminated meat, some of
it was a little brown and smelled a little off. Can that hurt them.
What would a sample day of food be, they weigh 15 lbs each.

Today I gave them each
2 beef rib bones
1 egg
pig foot

is that too much? too little?
I am kinda freaking out here.
I appreciate any help
Thanks

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9b. Re: So I decided to switch
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:10 pm ((PST))

Hi, uh, cutensexy!
You might want to sign your name! ; )
Welcome to the raw side!

Um, I don't recommend that you feed ALL that variety this week, or even in
the next month!

Here's a beginning plan to start off with;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*
Generally no, off meat won't hurt a dog. But, again, I don't recommend that
you start out by feeding it, either.

The wonderful thing about raw feeding, is that you get to use your
considerable common sense and knowledge of your dogs to decide when they
need more food to maintain their weight, or less food to lose a couple
ounces/pounds.

A species appropriate whole prey model diet requires only a few ingredients
to provide all the nutrients that a dog needs.
meat - lots of it! This includes muscle, skin, fat and connective tissue.
edible bone - as little as 10% -if they can't consume it, and digest it, it
doesn't count as part of the diet.
organs - 3-5% liver and 5-7% "other" - no need to introduce this in the
first month.

TC
Giselle with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 20, 2007 7:58 PM, cutensexyb89 <cutensexyb89@yahoo.com> wrote:

> MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!!
>
> So today I woke up and decided to go all raw :)
>
> <snip>
>
> is that too much? too little?
> I am kinda freaking out here.
> I appreciate any help
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

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9c. Re: So I decided to switch
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:50 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cutensexyb89" <cutensexyb89@...>
wrote:
> So today I woke up and decided to go all raw :)

Wow, great shopping job, and i love your enthusiasm. You might want to
hold off feeding all that variety for a few weeks, though. Toss the
stuff in the freezer, except for maybe the chicken, and hold off
feeding it for the time being. Generally, it is recommended that you
pick one protein source, i vote for chicken, and feed only that meat
for a week. If all goes well, you can pick a new meat and introduce
it the second week. In the course of several weeks, you can feed your
way through chicken, pork, turkey, beef, whatever you can purchase to
feed. Then, you'll be ready to open the freezer and try variety and
mixing it up. KathyM

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9d. Re: So I decided to switch
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:50 pm ((PST))

Good for you, raw is great.
Now, do a little more research, you're gonna need it so will the dogs.
You need to stick to one source of meat for a few weeks. You have a nice variety there, but too much for starters.
Try just working with one meat, maybe just chicken, it's cheap and easy to come by. If you get it whole, you have your meat, bones, and organs, all right there, and you can cut it up, and make it meal size for your dogs.
Keep up one meat source for a while until your dogs are having great poos and eating good, and letting you know they are ready, like I said, a few weeks.
Then try introducing a new source of meat, a little into the chicken arena at a time.
Do some more research, start with the chicken. Keep up the faith you're on the right track and I applaud your gonghoness:)
But for the dogs sake, keep it simple, for a few weeks.
And food that is smelly usually ok, but not to start out with, freeze it and wait for a month or two, and them when they are used to a variety, then you can add that stuff into the mix.
and let us know who you are, we love names. And tell us about your dogs, what kinds, how old, and how long you've had them.
Jeni
owned, tricked daily, and often fooled alot by my two Great danes, Zeus and Zena, and our Pomchi, Daisy, our cat Lucky, and our newest addition, noname, our little chihuahua.

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9e. Re: So I decided to switch
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:50 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cutensexyb89" <cutensexyb89@...>
wrote:

> I have been researching it all day and decided to go out and
> buy some
> basics, here is what I got

Evidently "researching all day" is not quite enough. You need to do
a little more. What you read is probably good for feeding raw, the
beginning phases of switching a dog is a little more precise. Check
out the web page listed under my name below. It is my
recomendations for switching a dog to a raw diet. It will
definately answer some questions you have and will point you in the
right direction.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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10a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
Posted by: "Anna Labriola" taggartgalt@yahoo.com taggartgalt
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:54 pm ((PST))

Yay!!!

Anna and Khan

Hannah is
> back to normal now that I realize I am feeding way to much.

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11a. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
Posted by: "Dawn" draine9543@gmail.com dawnsdogs2004
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:54 pm ((PST))

Andrea...thank you!

Problem is that I "have" to grind.
Not about wanting to grind, I have to.
My dogs jaw is only hinged on 1 side of his head.
the other side is held in place by tendons and muscle.

So I will take a hock if they offer it,
I will ask them to cut up in small chunks for me.
When I do offer my dog a rec. bone.
I wait for him to clean it...when he starts gnawing
on the bare bone...sadly, I have to take it away.

~~Dawn~~

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11b. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:54 pm ((PST))

Could someone please tell me what pig trotters are? thanks. Michelle

sisterloui <habershon@aol.com> wrote: ((sorry if this is a duplicate posting...aol crashed ...again LOL ))

Hi there,

It may be worth asking what part of the pigs they will actually be
throwing away.

Pigs used to be slaughtered where I live and very very little was
thrown away.

It may be a cultural thing but here in the uk trotters, stomach
lining, lungs, testes, intestines (used as sausage casings) brains
made into brawn and even blood (made into black pudding) are
regularly eaten.

The only thing i can remember not being used are the stomach, bowel
and intestine "contents".

If I get pigs trotters for my dogs my father often pinches a few to
roast for supper.

The only thing not edible on a pig is the "squeak"

I know very little about the Amish but I think they would be as
efficient in the raising and butchery of live stock. You may be
surprised at how few leftovers there actually are.

Good luck, and i look forwards to hearing about your experience.
Best wishes,
Jane
(sisterloui)

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11c. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:05 pm ((PST))

Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...> wrote:
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> Could someone please tell me what pig trotters are?
*****
They be feet.
Chris O

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11d. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:50 pm ((PST))

Thankyou,,, michelle

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote: Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...> wrote:
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> Could someone please tell me what pig trotters are?
*****
They be feet.
Chris O

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12a. Reposting: Eight wild Bunnies and Fish oil - muskrat and beaver
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:54 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne MacLeod"
<suzmacleod@...> wrote:
>
> Hi gang...I just got back from out East and I was able to bring 8
wild
> rabbits. They are guted and skinned. I also brought 60 oysters I
> picked out of the FREEZING ocean for me... :)
> So...I can't seem to get a straight answer from anywhere, so
perhaps
> some of you could shed some light.
> How long do I need to freeze for any parasite (tape, and
tulamaria)?
> Also the bones seem very very sharp. I cut each rabbit in four
> pieces; basically a leg and some attached for a meal.
> My friend who also took care of Joey and Kate, gave them WAY TOO
much
> Artic Vigor (seal oil) - a whole bottle. A bottle usually lasts
me 2-
> 3 months. Should I be concerned? Kate's had some runny poo's,
but
> that's about it.
> I also am planning on moving back home and will have access to
> musjrat, beaver and moose...any advice?
> Thanks a bunch,
> Suz Kate and Joey
>

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13. Feeding meat from ill animals
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:10 pm ((PST))

I posted a while back about goats with copper deficincy. I got three of
them and the owner sent the livers off to be tested. They had CAE
(Caprine arthritis Encephalitis)
http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

Would feeding these goats harm mine and my cousins dogs? Since the
virus often passed from doe to kid the woman is probably going to have
this happen to all of her goats. She already has two more that I will
be getting next month, their joints get really bad at about 3-5 years
of age and most of her goats are around that age.

Thank you.
Maria

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