[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12393

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Duck anyone?
From: Sonja

2a. New to raw (sorta), need help.
From: tallyhoally
2b. Re: New to raw (sorta), need help.
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: New to raw (sorta), need help.
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: I NEED SOME HELP FROM ALL YOU EXPERT OUT THERE!!!
From: Tina Berry
3b. Re: I NEED SOME HELP FROM ALL YOU EXPERT OUT THERE!!!
From: tizianaruff

4a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: Tina Berry
4b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: A. L. W.
4c. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: Sandee Lee
4d. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: krheintgen
4e. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: reflux problem
From: jennifer_hell

6a. Re: puppy stages
From: Tina Berry

7a. Re: Deer Meat...So sorry new to all of this?
From: Tina Berry

8a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Question
From: Brandi Bryant

9.1. Re: Constipation
From: shooflyf
9.2. Re: Constipation
From: costrowski75
9.3. Re: Constipation
From: Sandee Lee

10. {Raw Feeding} Scored!!! What do you think?
From: Brandi Bryant

11a. panting
From: sheila
11b. Re: panting
From: atmanandadevotee

12a. Re: Quick stool question
From: Sandee Lee

13a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
From: krheintgen

14. skin red?
From: addicted 2 my pc

15a. Re: ready to throw the towel...
From: ma_petite_gazelle

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1a. Re: Duck anyone?
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:57 am ((PST))

>>>>>All I can figure is perhaps one or the other, or both, went out of buisness and these are leftovers?
http://www.ansci.umn.edu/poultry/student_resources/duckco.htm

Nope, the company is alive and kicking and still supplying us with duck.

Sonja

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2a. New to raw (sorta), need help.
Posted by: "tallyhoally" alison.stubing@sbcglobal.net tallyhoally
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:12 am ((PST))

I am new to your group and need advice. I fed my 11yr Dobie raw when
he was 5-7 yrs and it was great. Life got in the way and now he's back
on it. I started him on chicken only for weeks then added other meats.
He has always eaten it well. He is now eating chicken carcasses(heart
gizzards, liver included), goat meat(bones,meat,liver), beef
(tongue,tripe,skin)all from the meat market(so no head or feet). I
think I have a good ratio. He gets an occasional egg 2-3/wk. He is now
down to 82lbs. I need him at least 92, which is still on the thin side
for him. My vet and I both agree he is too thin. I am feeding him 3%+
of his ideal weight/day. He is eating it all well. Besides the lack of
weight he is in good health, bright, alert, good poop, no vomiting,
good appetite. I not sure I know what I'm doing and it does not help to
ask the vet. I have read a few books but they mostly seem to be trying
to convince people it's okay to feed raw. I'm convinced, but I need
more how to. I need to know what to feed to help put on some pounds.
Alison

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2b. Re: New to raw (sorta), need help.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:53 am ((PST))

"tallyhoally" <alison.stubing@...> wrote:
He is now eating chicken carcasses(heart
> gizzards, liver included), goat meat(bones,meat,liver), beef
> (tongue,tripe,skin)all from the meat market(so no head or feet). I
> think I have a good ratio. He gets an occasional egg 2-3/wk. He is
now
> down to 82lbs. I need him at least 92, which is still on the thin
side
> for him. My vet and I both agree he is too thin.
*****
If there are no health issues--and at 11 years a more or less
conventionally-raised dog may be having health problems typically
dismissed as "old age--then more meat and fattier meat fed more often
should add weight. (Except for tongue, the meat you are feeding now
is generally quite lean.) Do not simply increase the size of his
existing meals; the sudden change will almost certainly cause
digestive upset and a dog that needs to gain weight doesn't need
loose stools.

Give him more food on a daily basis, but divvy it up into more
meals. If you can feed as many as four daily meals, you will
probably avoid the effects of dietary overload.

I recommend you discuss with your vet a "senior panel" to make sure
your dog is otherwise fit before you add fat to his diet. An
impaired pancreas (caused by unidentified health problems) will not
be happy with a sudden influx of fat. And if the pancreas ain't
happy, ain't nobody happy.

Let us know how this progresses.
Chris O

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2c. Re: New to raw (sorta), need help.
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:08 pm ((PST))

Alison,

If you are certain there are no medical issues that would explain his weight
loss, feed more meat and fat, more food. It's hard to tell exactly what
your ratios are but 10% bone isn't much and the remainder of the diet should
consist of lots of nice red meat and the accompanying fat! :)

Certainly sounds like he is doing well otherwise...did your vet run any
labwork just to make certain there isn't something medically going on?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "tallyhoally" <alison.stubing@sbcglobal.net>

He is now eating chicken carcasses(heart
gizzards, liver included), goat meat(bones,meat,liver), beef
(tongue,tripe,skin)all from the meat market(so no head or feet). I
think I have a good ratio. He gets an occasional egg 2-3/wk. He is now
down to 82lbs. I need him at least 92, which is still on the thin side
for him. My vet and I both agree he is too thin. I am feeding him 3%+
of his ideal weight/day. He is eating it all well. Besides the lack of
weight he is in good health, bright, alert, good poop, no vomiting,
good appetite.

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3a. Re: I NEED SOME HELP FROM ALL YOU EXPERT OUT THERE!!!
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:27 am ((PST))

"The problem started with my other Weim, now 1 1/2 year old. I wanted to put
her on the same diet. She simply does not like it. I have been trying for
over 1 month. She vomits, she has diarrhea, and the only thing that she
would eat is a little chop meat. "

If the vomiting and diarrhea started when you started the raw diet, and she
was fine on kibble, I would say she's probably medically fine then. As
mentioned, 1 month is not very long, I would go back to chicken only for 2
months atleast. You might try cutting slits in the meat for the older one,
or even a quick searing in a pan just to brown the outside to see if she'll
eat it that way then gradually move to all raw. You might even try frozen
(that's the only way one of my males will eat liver).
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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3b. Re: I NEED SOME HELP FROM ALL YOU EXPERT OUT THERE!!!
Posted by: "tizianaruff" queentiz@msn.com tizianaruff
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:03 pm ((PST))

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Thank you so much guys I will try your suggestions and I will keep
you posted. These kids...will drive me crazy...but I loved them!! you
know that is of course!!

Tiziana

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4a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:28 am ((PST))

"So my reply was "That was rude, uncalled for and vague. Educate yourself
before you attack others for there beliefs in the future.""

Bravo! I wouldn't have been so nice.... good job and good for you for
feeding raw!!!
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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4b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "A. L. W." chenneoue@yahoo.com chenneoue
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:57 am ((PST))

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My reply would have been: "No, and/are you?"

Its really not surprising, people online are always ready ready to
voice their opinion and ruffle someone's feathers. I wouldn't worry
about it. :)

Amanda

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> Some luney sends me an email that said only "Trying to kill off your
> dogs?"
>
> What nerve this person has! Obviously has no life of his own to do
> such a thing in the middle of the night to boot, lol!
>
> So my reply was "That was rude, uncalled for and vague. Educate
> yourself before you attack others for there beliefs in the future."
>
> What would you do? I'm sure I'll probably get other similar replies
> since this nut showed up so quick!
>
> Erika :)
>

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4c. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:51 am ((PST))

That's one of my favorite quotes also...but it's not anonymous. It is a
quote from John Loeffler! :)

Back to the original post from Erika...you are not the first to have been
blasted when mentioning raw on craigslist. I think the best advice is to
not use that word! :))

Seriously, all you get is grief and especially if you are looking for food
from those cleaning out their freezers, many will refuse to provide you with
food if you are feeding raw. You can use phrase such as "home-prepared" and
some have mentioned that because of health problems their vet has
recommended a home made diet, etc. That seems to be readily accepted, but
use that evil RAW word and you may as well cut your throat!! <g>

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Shirley" <ssthunderpony@yahoo.com>

~ ~ Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko. ~anon~

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4d. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "krheintgen" krheintgen@comcast.net krheintgen
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:08 pm ((PST))

...you are not the first to have been
> blasted when mentioning raw on craigslist. I think the best advice
is to
> not use that word! ..... You can use phrase such as "home-
prepared" and
> some have mentioned that because of health problems their vet has
> recommended a home made diet, etc.

Yea -- When I post for freezer burned meat on my local Free Cycle I
just say I am using to "make dog food." A true enough statement, even
if all I do to "make" the food is unwrap it...

Kathy R.

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4e. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:29 pm ((PST))

They don't need all the gory details, do they???? :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "krheintgen" <krheintgen@comcast.net>

Yea -- When I post for freezer burned meat on my local Free Cycle I
just say I am using to "make dog food." A true enough statement, even
if all I do to "make" the food is unwrap it...

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5a. Re: reflux problem
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:32 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell"
> <jenniferhell@> wrote:
> >
> > What can I give my girl when she has a bout of heartburn?
>
> What has the vet done to determine it is heartburn(reflux)?
>
She has done a blood test ( I don't know what it is called), and
questioned me etc.
> I don't think there is a such thing as too much acid a few hours
> after eating. The dog needs all the acid it can get to digest the
> food in its tummy. I think it's possible to have too much acid a
> few hours before eating but not after. Thats where the bile vomit
> comes from.
She doesn't vomit or bile. It's about five hours or so after dinner.
Just like it is for me (I have a reflux problem too =( ).

> Have you tried feeding her when she does this? If in fact there
> really is too much acid in the stomach, feeding would take care of
> it.
Yes. Something like porridge helps her, a few spoonfuls. It's very
finely rolled oats, with warm water. I don't want to give her grains
though, and am looking for something else.

> I don't have any idea what the problem is but I just don't see too
> much acid as the cause. I wish I had some constructive suggestions.
>

Hey, your empathy helps already. =)

Jennifer

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6a. Re: puppy stages
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:57 am ((PST))

"chicken drumsticks, wings, carcasses, necks, turkey necks, lamb liver and
hearts."

More meat - even if you have to cut it off the drumsticks since they are
usually on sale - but you want about 80% meat to 10% bone and 10% organs.
Did the hair thinning start when you started feeding raw or before? I would
make sure it's not mange or an infection, if it's just allergies it takes
about 90 days to see any effects of the raw diet and even then it's slowly.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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7a. Re: Deer Meat...So sorry new to all of this?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:04 am ((PST))

"Now I know he has to hang the carcus for 5 days (this was saturday), but
what about the things that are still in the cold garage in a dustbin
(head/legs/skin), can these be fed as well, and how long do they need to be
in the freezer"

They only have to hang to drain the blood out for human consumption; I would
butcher it up now and throw it in the freezer. I feed mine fresh and
frozen. You can feed all the organs too. Leg bones I let them chew until
the meat is gone then take the bone away - leg bones are teeth breakers.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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8a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Question
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:08 am ((PST))

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Thank you so much for answering my questions and referring me to the
websites...It has been very helpful!!! I think I will be doing some
ordering and see how it works out for me!

Again thank you so much -
THIS GROUP RULES!!!

Brandi
Bartlesville, OK

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9.1. Re: Constipation
Posted by: "shooflyf" shooflyf@yahoo.com shooflyf
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:09 am ((PST))

> Second, don't worry about her dietary bone. She can go days without
> bone (weeks even). Continue to feed her fatty meats and make sure

Hmm, so i don't need to aim for 10% bone over time? That's what i've
been reading everywhere.

> are including "rich" meats like heart and liver. Lube those tubes.
> fattier diet will also add weight, as will feeding more food in
> general.

Yes, i'm doing that, as well as putting warm water on top of her meals
so she'll be drinking some "soup" with each meal to increase water intake.

> Make sure she's getting enough exercise (yes, with a BC this is often
> hard to do).

No problem there, this is a working sheepdog on my farm.

> If she's on meds, check to see if constipation is a side effect.

Nope, none.

> And of course, are you perhaps expecting the same sort of regularity
> that kibble provides? Is this her discomfort we're addressing, or
> yours?

The first time this happened i had to stick my finger up her rear to
help her after hours and hours of straining, and after being
"unplugged" she produced a massive amount of stool. On the second and
third occasions, it took her a couple of hours to produce rock hard
stool, and she was her biting at herself and crying while trying to
go. So neither of us are very comfortable with this scenario. :-)
She's a dog that has tended toward a bit of constipation her whole
life, from puppyhood on, so i've seen her just simply "having
trouble". This is something causing her big discomfort.

-Robin French

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9.2. Re: Constipation
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:34 am ((PST))

"shooflyf" <shooflyf@...> wrote:
> Hmm, so i don't need to aim for 10% bone over time? That's what
i've
> been reading everywhere.
*****
Ten percent over time means over time. And of course 10% is not very
much at all. A meal for an adult 50lb dog that's "good" on a pound
of food a day may contain as little as 1.6oz of edible bone to hit
that "10%" figure. Over a week's time, that tallies to just over 11
ounces. Eleven ounces of dietary bone compared to 112 ounces of meat
and organs.

I am not suggesting you look at her menu this way, but I *am* saying
if you have to leave bone out of the picture for a while it doesn't
take long to "catch up" again when you do feed bone. Catherine
(morledzep) has a dog that stoppers up on very little bone; she feeds
I believe small amounts just several times a week. The dog is doing
well digestively and nutritionally.

> No problem there, this is a working sheepdog on my farm.
*****
No, no lack of work there!
Might she be eating sheep dung? I don't know that fresh dung would
stop up a dog but dried sheep goobers and raisinets may. Worth
considering? Hard to say.

> The first time this happened i had to stick my finger up her rear to
> help her after hours and hours of straining, and after being
> "unplugged" she produced a massive amount of stool. On the second
and
> third occasions, it took her a couple of hours to produce rock hard
> stool, and she was her biting at herself and crying while trying to
> go. So neither of us are very comfortable with this scenario. :-)
*****
Yes, I can see this is not just your expectation! Do you give her
ample opportunities to defecate? Perhaps she is putting the job off
for fear of missing something. Perhaps it is anxiety that keeps her
from pooping in a timely manner?

I had a hyper fieldbred Lab that lived to retrieve. The only thing
better than retrieving was eating. When working her, I would have to
air her with strict attention well before her turn, otherwise she
would not relieve herself til everything was quite over and done
with.

> She's a dog that has tended toward a bit of constipation her whole
> life, from puppyhood on, so i've seen her just simply "having
> trouble".
*****
How long has she been rawfed? And how did you deal with her
constipation pre-raw?
Chris O

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9.3. Re: Constipation
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:58 am ((PST))

If she is having dry, hard, difficult to pass stools feed more meat. If
she's thin, feed more meat! :)

I don't know what you mean by "not much" bone, but the recommended 10% is a
tiny amount when looking at the overall diet.

And get rid of the EVO...it has no benefit and could be contributing to her
problems.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "shooflyf" <shooflyf@yahoo.com>

I switched her completely over and
have really restricted the amount of bone with her, enough so that i
actually worry that's she's not getting enough calcium. The second
time, there really was no good explanation for it. She was on 100%
raw, not much bone, higher fat beef and pork, 10% organ meat. This
weekend she was constipated again, after a meal of a small amount of
Evo soaked in a lot of water, mixed with ground organ meat/high fat
beef mixture. None of these resulted in chalky white poop, just
really hard and dry.

Can anyone offer suggestions or ideas? I need to increase this dog's
food as well, she's a little thin.

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10. {Raw Feeding} Scored!!! What do you think?
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:07 am ((PST))

OK - I checked out the prices at our local custom butchering plant - here
are some prices let me know if you think these are high -

Flank steak - $2.99/lb
Skirt steak - $2.99/lb
Round Steak - $3.49/lb
Arm Roast - $2.59/lb
Chuck Roast - $2.59/lb
Rump Roast - $2.59/lb
Bricket - $2.49/lb

And the big one!!!! .99/lb for beef hearts!!!!

I'm going to be definetly put in an order from prey4pets.com - thank again
for that website...I am excited to see if my dogs will get into whole
prey!!!

THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH - I'm so excited!!!

Brandi
Bartlesville OK

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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

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11a. panting
Posted by: "sheila" schatzee@comporium.net osborne_sheila
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:07 am ((PST))

Have had the dogs on raw for about two weeks and noticed my male seems to be panting more than usual. Is this a normal occurance. sheila

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11b. Re: panting
Posted by: "atmanandadevotee" atmanandadevotee@yahoo.fr atmanandadevotee
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:06 pm ((PST))

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I noticed that since my dogs are raw-fed, they want to sleep outside
(before they enjoyed sleeping by the fire place) they are not panting
but they don't want anymore to be in the house as soon as it gets cold

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12a. Re: Quick stool question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:09 am ((PST))

Joe,

If you are feeding only chicken, that is a lot of bone. Time to begin
adding in some nice red meat and a bit of organs.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "adkjoe17" <j2dope17@yahoo.com>

Been feeding my 13 week old Siberian whole chickens for about 2 weeks
now. She seems like she is having trouble pooping. Sometimes it
comes out solid sometimes loose. She seems like she is taking a long
time to poop though, she sits in her stance for about 3-5 minutes. I
know for shore I'm not giving her too much bone so I don't see why she
would be constipated.

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13a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
Posted by: "krheintgen" krheintgen@comcast.net krheintgen
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:22 am ((PST))

I guess she is sort of mini fasting
> herself… not imposed by me.

Not to belabor the point -- but she is NOT fasting... she is simply
not eating. Do you say that you are "fasting" when you refuse an
offer of food? No, you are simply not hungry. If you have a big
breakfast and skip lunch are you fasting? No, you are trying not to
gain weight - or you are still full. Are you a person who "cleanses"
your body by not eating for 2 days? Or, you do not eat during day
light hours for Ramadan, or on Good Friday or whatever.. Or, you are
having surgury tomorrow and cannot eat after a certan time .. That is
a fast!

The word "FAST" has no meaning for animals. A FAST is to abstain or
deprive oneself of food. The connotation is that one fasts for a
purpose -- to avoid throwing up during surgery, as a penance, for
religious purposes and also some people fast to "cleanse" the body.
I am sure no wolf has ever fasted.

That same wolf however may go days without eating. Maybe he just
caught a huge meal and is STUFFED, and so is simply not hungry.
Maybe he can't catch anything, maybe there are too many wolves and
food is scarce. This is not a good thing. I do not think any of us
think it is advantageous to let our dogs not eat until they are
starving, jsut becasue sometimes this happens to wolves.

That said, some dogs like to gorge feed. Some do not. When my Sibe
eats a 4 pound pork roast I do not feed him for at least 2 or 3
days. He is not fasting. He most likely would not eat even if I
offerred it. He is a self regulating dog.

My ESS, she would eat a 4 pound pork roast everyday! She likes to
gorge. So, I let her. But then I do not feed her for a couple of
days, because she is already too fat. I am not fasting her. I am just
not feeding her. She has had enough, she does not need any more.

Perhaps this is all semantics, but the word FAST has an emotional
meaning that in not applicable to dogs. I do not think they are any
healthier eating gorge meals. The only benefit I see is that I do
not have to try to chop that giant pork roast into smaller pieces --
I give them the whole thing. They eat what they want.

And, they have to work really hard to eat! It is great excercise. It
is very satisying. A dog who is "always hungry" is not really
hungry -- they have been trained to act like they are. He can be
made less dependent on meals by letting him GORGE himself. He can be
made better by an irregular feeding schedule. But it is the timing
of the food, not the fact that there are times of no food, that are
the key.

Big meals have benefits, but those benefits do not include the days
spent not eating. The "not eating" is a side effect of the gorging.
It is not the purpose. You do not gorge feed so they will then not
eat. They do not eat so they can gorge and not get fat.

This is where the human intervention comes in. You have to know if
your dog will self regulate. If they do not (my ESS) then I have a
responsibility to be sure I do not feed her too soon after a gorge,
to be sure she does not get any fatter. If they do (my Sibe) maybe
you don't have to be so watchful, unless you do not want uneaten food
laying around and there are no other dogs to eat it. Lady Jane (ESS)
very often prances in with something I thought Bandit ate days ago...
So, I have to feed her less that day, or not at all the next day to
compensate for the extra calories she discovered in the yard!
And, I have to watch Bandit and pick up what he walks away from -- so
Lady Jane does not get two dinners. If she does get to it before me -
I do not take it away from her, I just do not feed her the next day.
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>I will learn to understand and go with
> what comes natural for her.

YES -- but please, that will not include any "fasts."

Kathy R.
>

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14. skin red?
Posted by: "addicted 2 my pc" mmoy1191@tpg.com.au jmoylan1952
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:04 pm ((PST))

Hi there
been feeding my Golden Retriever now for her whole life of 2 years next month she has been very healthy ,yesterday for the first time i noriced her belly is red?? could this be from
an allergy to mebe one of the meats im feeding?
Jen

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15a. Re: ready to throw the towel...
Posted by: "ma_petite_gazelle" gaelle6@rogers.com ma_petite_gazelle
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:05 pm ((PST))

Hi Jane,

Yes this is a good thing to think about, however I'm already using
minimal amount of products, e.g. I clean everything mostly with water
and vinegar, just a bit of furniture polish but he doesn't have access
to those surfaces. I also vaccuum the rugs often. I haven't changed
our laundry product for a few years, but I don't seem to notice him
reacting to it per se (the obvious patterns are with specific seasons,
certain foods, and when we go visit my in-laws who have carpet
everywhere).

As he's doing fine when he's just on chicken, I'm assuming I've been
able to control other environmental factors inside the house (fingers
crossed).

I do know he has reactions in the spring and the fall when he goes
outside and roll in the grass/pollen. So I'm just brushing him a lot
during these times and that seem to help. I still need to walk him and
let him have a good time outside, you know?

But thanks for the tips. I actually got rid of a lot of cleaning
products because of him, and I have to say it's healthier for us too...

Gaelle

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sisterloui" <habershon@...> wrote:
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> Just a little bit to add to all the good advice given so far.
>
> I know that this may be veering slightly off topic but along with
> dietary advice to combat the effect of the allergies. Have you done a
> general product test in your home. You know simple things like trying a
> different floor cleaner, furniture polish, or is he chewing certain
> grasses or weeds whilst out walking etc ?
>
> Sorry if you have already covered this, and I do hope you get to the
> root of the problem soon.
>
> Best wishes
> Jane
> (sisterloui uk)
>

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