[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12398

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Does anyone here co-op?
From: Randy

2a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Pork- too fatty?
From: Sanibonn18@aol.com
2b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Pork- too fatty?
From: Andrea

3a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
From: krheintgen

4a. Re: What do you do while camping or on vacation?
From: Carrin

5a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
From: Lauren Funaiole

6a. Re: Feeding Liver
From: krheintgen

7a. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
From: Joanne Thompson
7b. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
From: Felicia Kost
7c. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
From: Joanne Thompson
7d. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
From: Jennifer Scheytt
7e. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
From: Joanne Thompson

8a. ADMIN/Re: What do you do while camping or on vacation?
From: costrowski75

9a. Raw feeding w/ history of epilepsy/pancreatitis?
From: Emily Levenson
9b. Re: Raw feeding w/ history of epilepsy/pancreatitis?
From: Giselle

10a. Moral support please!
From: Sarah
10b. Re: Moral support please!
From: Andrea
10c. Re: Moral support please!
From: Sarah
10d. Re: Moral support please!
From: Sarah
10e. Re: Moral support please!
From: zcdz@aol.com
10f. Re: Moral support please!
From: Andrea

11a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Scored!!! What do you think?
From: Susan Fortune

12. Need Help with Irish Wolfhound
From: Karon L. Volk

13a. Re: panting
From: sheila

14. Where's the beef? coming from?
From: Sai Simonson

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1a. Re: Does anyone here co-op?
Posted by: "Randy" rrostie@gmail.com rjrostie
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:31 am ((PST))

You might want to post this to the Carnivore Feed Supplier list.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier
Co-ops is one of things they discuss there.

Randy R

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Carrie (Milton) Mularoni"
<kitkatsmama@...> wrote:
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> I'm wondering if any of you have gotten together and co-oped on food?
> I'm in Northern Oakland County, Michigan. I have a great resource
> for a lot of meats, but the quantity is more that I can store.

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2a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Pork- too fatty?
Posted by: "Sanibonn18@aol.com" Sanibonn18@aol.com sanikamjoshi
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:32 am ((PST))

Last night I gave my 80 + lb shepherd a big hunk of pork cushion meat along with some pork neck bone.? This isn't the first time he's had pork, and he's been eating raw for 6 months now with no problem with variety; however, last night, he threw up a large chunk of his dinner.? It almost looked like he didn't even chew it, swallowed it, and then vommited it.?

I'm not overly concerned, but I'm curious to know if it was the sudden reaction to the fatty pork cushion meat, which I gave more of than usual.?

Thanks for any insight!

Sanika & Shasta :)

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2b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Pork- too fatty?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:37 am ((PST))

> It almost looked like he didn't even chew it, swallowed it, and
> then vommited it.?

That's probably what happened. The hunk was probably around the size
he thinks doesn't require any additional chewing. Once the big chunk
hit his stomach it decided that it wasn't going to fly so out it came.
There are a couple of options to fix the problem, feed a bigger hunk so
he has to tear it apart, butterfly the hunk so it has more surface
area, or feed said hunk partially frozen. My newf pup is convinced
that he can fit any size hunk of organ down his throat since it is
squidgy. He doesn't have the same estimation when the hunk is frozen,
though, he chomps it up very politely.

Andrea

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3a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
Posted by: "krheintgen" krheintgen@comcast.net krheintgen
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Lenz" <nmlenz@...> wrote:
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> Kathy,
> When you only feed your dog one day out of three, what you're doing
on
> the off days is fasting, regardless of what you call it.

**** Nora -- We will have to agree to disagree. Even though there
are days they do not eat, my dogs do not fast.

We will also have to agree to disagree as to whether these non-eating
days are of any benefit to the dog, except to keep them from getting
fat. I feed gorge meals for the benefit to my dogs of eating BIG
food. I do not believe, nor I have seen anything to make me change
my mind, that the non-eating days have any additional benefit (except
to moderate the intake of calories...)

I do not agree that is a need to "fast" a dog for "fasting" sake,
except perhaps if there are intestinal difficulties required the gut
to "rest."

>
> So, to summarize:
>
> Fasting affords a sick body the chance to regenerate and
rejuvenate.

*** I agree that this might be true, in some instances. However most
dogs are not sick and yet the benfits of "fasting" are often
discussed or inquired about on this list. As I have stated, in my
opinion, the benefits are from the big meals, not the so-
called "fast."

>>>If you're feeding irregularly and don't want to call the non-
feeding days "fasting" days, it doesn't change the underlying
principle.

**** I agree it is semantics. But if you read the posts leading up
to one you will see that "fast" is used with emotional baggage
attached. A dog that refused one meal is said to be "fasting" I do
not agree this is true. So, I do agree with your comments that some
people think the dog "has" to be fed daily. I do not however agree
that feeding daily is necessarily bad, if your dog does not need BIG
meals, for the reasons I have listed previously. If your dog can
benefit from large meals, they will necessarily have to have non-
eating days.

Many of your reasons for fasting are open for debate -- a debate I do
not feel the need to have. As I said, we can agree to disagree.

Kathy R.

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4a. Re: What do you do while camping or on vacation?
Posted by: "Carrin" mntgrl_2000@yahoo.com mntgrl_2000
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:34 am ((PST))

Now that is dedication!

Carrin

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "adkjoe17" <j2dope17@...> wrote:
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> Tina Berry wrote:
> >
> > Would I have to bring a separate cooler just for dog meat?
>
>
> Tina,
> I backpack with my dog for weeks at a time. In the past I used to
> just suck it up and carry the extra weight of raw food for her
which
> wasn't to bad because she can carry a lot of her own food in her
own
> pack. Recently since I got a new pack member who is to little to
> carry her own food I started dehydrating raw food for the girls
> while on the trail. Depending how long your going to be out you
can
> dehydrate 10lb of chicken and it will turn into 2-3lb (you can see
> where i'm going with this) You can either rehydrate by soaking in
> water or you can just feed it to them dehydrated. If you don't
have
> a dehydrator, for $90-$100 you can get a top grade one and it will
> soon pay for itself in a matter of weeks, mine shure did. One of
> the best investments I have ever made. If thats out of the
question
> your oven and a fan will do the trick. If your only car camping
> then bring an extra cooler.
>
> Joe
>

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5a. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
Posted by: "Lauren Funaiole" LFUNAIOL@SIMIVALLEY.ORG lfunaiol
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:35 am ((PST))

Hello ____,
I have fed 2 dobermans on raw and haven't had any particular problems with them compared to my other 3 dogs of other breeds. I think that you definitely need to feed more meat, especially red meat to her. My dogs get whole chickens, bone-in pork roasts, lamb ribs, whole turkey, a variety of organs (chicken, pork, beef, and lamb), as well as LOTS of boneless beef and pork. Occasionally, they get green tripe. All of them do very well on this diet.

Lauren Funaiole

>>> "aquilter16" <aquilter16@hotmail.com> 12/18/2007 8:20 PM >>>

Hi, I have a 5 month old female dobe and would like to correspond with
anybody that has experience with raw feeding this breed. She has been
on chicken backs for 2 months and have run into a few instances of
frequent, loose, mucousy stool. She has been checked by vet and given
a clean bill of health, but of course the diet was cited as cause of
problems - I didn't try to defend myself, will look for another vet.
But anyway, will welcome hearing from anyone with experience with dobes
or similiar breed. Thanks.

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6a. Re: Feeding Liver
Posted by: "krheintgen" krheintgen@comcast.net krheintgen
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:36 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> > Do livers from different animals have different nutrients?
>
> A little, but not really enough to stress about.

--- With the difficulties people have feeding liver, finding one they
will eat readily is a good thing. If there is variety elsewhere, I
think you can skimp on liver variety.

My liver adverse dog will ALWAYS eat buffalo liver. So, that is what
he gets.

>
> > Also, do I need to feed stuff like tripe,lungs,trachea in order for
> > her body to be healthy?
>
> You want to have some "other" organs in the diet. Liver is the
> behemoth so that's the one you want to make sure you get. Everything
> else is good if you can get it. Mostly I use kidney, spleen, and
> sweetbreads as the "other" organs. Also eyeballs and such in the
head
> are considered other organs.

If your dogs eat whole uncleaned fish you can count this as some organ
variety and completeness. Feed whatever else you can get your hands
on, but I always feel better when they eat whole fish as other than
bunny heads they do not get too many other sources of brains and
eyeballs etc. Granted -- they are little brains and eyeballs, but oh
well! Depending on where you are you might be able to get misc. organ
mixes from some raw food suppliers...

On this note, can most medium to large dogs get to the brains of say a
pig head? I have not looked to closely, so I am not sure if they are
accessible without splitting the head... I only feed these in the
winter to avoid rotting heads laying about, but was wondering in I
should be bashing what is left?

Kathy R

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7a. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
Posted by: "Joanne Thompson" tho0123@earthlink.net black_diamond_kennels
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:37 am ((PST))

Felicia,

Thanks for your response. I don't know if I can get this person to
switch to raw, but it would certainly make it easier to tell her that
someone has had success with it. Do you know if the IG was switched
after the diagnosis or was it on raw before?

Thanks again!

Joanne Thompson
Black Diamond Kennels
Working Giant Schnauzers
Bellvue, CO 80512

Felicia Kost wrote:
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> Hi, I do not have personal exp. with Addisons disease but a friend of
> mine does. She had an italian greyhound diagnosed with Addisons and
> she decided to try raw. The vet was not happy to say the least.
> However after several months the dog was much improved and looked like
> a picture of health. She was also able to decrease all medications and
> even elimante some. She was not prey model fed but it was ground meat
> and RMB 's. I don't recall her feeding her any differently than the
> other dogs on raw. They were all happy with the transition, even the
> vet in the end.
> Felicia
>

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7b. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
Posted by: "Felicia Kost" saphiradane@yahoo.com saphiradane
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:45 am ((PST))

The switch was after the diagnosis to help.

. Felicia,

Thanks for your response. I don't know if I can get this person to
switch to raw, but it would certainly make it easier to tell her that
someone has had success with it. Do you know if the IG was switched
after the diagnosis or was it on raw before?

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7c. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
Posted by: "Joanne Thompson" tho0123@earthlink.net black_diamond_kennels
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:54 am ((PST))

Perfect. Thank you!

Joanne Thompson
Black Diamond Kennels
Working Giant Schnauzers
Bellvue, CO 80512

Felicia Kost wrote:
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> The switch was after the diagnosis to help.
>
> . Felicia,
>
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7d. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
Posted by: "Jennifer Scheytt" jscheytt@yahoo.com jscheytt
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:17 am ((PST))

HI Joanne,
I have switched my 3 bearides one of which has Addison's to Raw and they have all done great. My Addisonian beardie loves it and is doing very well with the switch. She was switched after her diagnosis. She has never eaten better. Before the switch the vet kept telling me she needed her teeth cleaned. I did not feel comfortable putting her under just to clean her teeth so I just kept trying to brush them, but never was able to get them really clean. After about 3-4 months on raw she was in the vets and he commented on how clean her teeth were I said we had switched to Raw and he supported my decision thankfully. So not only is she healthier on Raw it has saved me the money and stress of putting her under to get her teeth cleaned. As long as your friends dog is stable on her meds for Addison's there is no reason her dog wouldn't do great on raw.
Good luck
Jenny

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7e. Re: Raw and Addison's disease
Posted by: "Joanne Thompson" tho0123@earthlink.net black_diamond_kennels
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:02 pm ((PST))

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Jenny,

Thank you for the reply.

Do you recommend the switch take place AFTER the meds are stable? She's
going in for a second opinion this week and, if confirmed, will start
meds at that time. I haven't talked to her yet about switching, but she
knows that I've been feeding raw for 12 years and will probably listen
(at least).

Thanks again!

Joanne Thompson
Black Diamond Kennels
Working Giant Schnauzers
Bellvue, CO 80512

Jennifer Scheytt wrote:
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> HI Joanne,
> I have switched my 3 bearides one of which has Addison's to Raw and
> they have all done great. My Addisonian beardie loves it and is doing
> very well with the switch. She was switched after her diagnosis. She
> has never eaten better. Before the switch the vet kept telling me she
> needed her teeth cleaned. I did not feel comfortable putting her under
> just to clean her teeth so I just kept trying to brush them, but never
> was able to get them really clean. After about 3-4 months on raw she
> was in the vets and he commented on how clean her teeth were I said we
> had switched to Raw and he supported my decision thankfully. So not
> only is she healthier on Raw it has saved me the money and stress of
> putting her under to get her teeth cleaned. As long as your friends
> dog is stable on her meds for Addison's there is no reason her dog
> wouldn't do great on raw.
> Good luck
> Jenny
>

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8a. ADMIN/Re: What do you do while camping or on vacation?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:42 am ((PST))

This is a useful and popular subject on the rawfeeding list. However,
the care and feeding of dehydrators--and the recipes for dehydrating
anything including camping food--is inappropiate for this list and is
OT. Please take ALL food processing discussions to RawChat.
Thank you.
Chris O
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9a. Raw feeding w/ history of epilepsy/pancreatitis?
Posted by: "Emily Levenson" ruffian99@gmail.com ruffian9999
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:46 am ((PST))

Hi everyone,

I'm new here and hoping to switch my 4 year old GSP to a raw diet. She is
epileptic and on several meds. She also had a bad bout of pancreatitis about
a year ago. She continues to have loose stools periodically. If anyone has
experience with either of these issues, I'd love suggestions on how to
transition/modify the raw diet (if it is necessary to modify) for her.

Thanks,
Emily and Madison

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9b. Re: Raw feeding w/ history of epilepsy/pancreatitis?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:34 am ((PST))

Hi, Emily!
The best way I found to tweak the raw diet for my pancreatic
dog was to feed him very low fat meats, very little skin, a little less bone
and smaller, more frequent meals.

Rabbit is lean, and so can be unenhanced turkey. Chicken, pork, heart and
gizzards with the fat and skin diligently trimmed off worked OK for him.

IME, feeding a species appropriate whole prey model diet can help you manage
both conditions by improving the dog's general health, and also decrease the
need for meds.

Some websites and links to archived messages you can print out and read;

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*
TC and post when you have questions!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 19, 2007 12:45 PM, Emily Levenson <ruffian99@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm new here and hoping to switch my 4 year old GSP to a raw diet. She is
> epileptic and on several meds. She also had a bad bout of pancreatitis
> about
> a year ago. She continues to have loose stools periodically. If anyone has
> experience with either of these issues, I'd love suggestions on how to
> transition/modify the raw diet (if it is necessary to modify) for her.
>
> Thanks,
> Emily and Madison
>
>
>

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10a. Moral support please!
Posted by: "Sarah" hecarte@hotmail.com sarah_uk_2000_2001
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:35 am ((PST))

I'm having a bit of a wobble today - my dog has been sick over the
weekend and had yeloow coloured loose stools. He seemed very quiet on
Sunday, but is back to his usual self today. His poop is also back to
normal. However, he can't even keep chicken down today.

We've been feeding raw for about 5 weeks now. We started with chicken
for the first two weeks, then introduced beef (brisket and heart), then
introduced whole mackerel in the 5th week. I didn't think I was adding
new proteins too quickly.

I'm not blaming his vomiting on the raw food yet, but I just wanted
some advice from you guys on what I can give him to eat. I gave him a
chicken quarter today and he threw it up after about 30 minutes. This
is the first problem we've had since starting raw.

Regards, Sarah (UK)

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10b. Re: Moral support please!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:53 am ((PST))

My dogs have yellow colored stools when they eat chicken, so the
color isn't a big concern. Is it possible you are getting a
different brand of chicken or possibly chicken from a different store?

> We've been feeding raw for about 5 weeks now. We started with
> chicken for the first two weeks, then introduced beef (brisket and
> heart), then introduced whole mackerel in the 5th week. I didn't
> think I was adding new proteins too quickly.

For my dogs this wouldn't be too fast, but each dog is different.
When did the loose stools start? What was the last thing fed before
the problem occurred? The past few days did you go back to beef or
did he stabalize on chicken?

> I gave him a chicken quarter today and he threw it up after about
> 30 minutes.

It's possible he ate too quickly and/or it was too close to whole
when it went down. Did he show any interest in re-eating it? Sorry
I don't have any solutions, only questions. We'll get it figured
out, though.

Andrea

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10c. Re: Moral support please!
Posted by: "Sarah" hecarte@hotmail.com sarah_uk_2000_2001
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:27 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> My dogs have yellow colored stools when they eat chicken, so the
> color isn't a big concern. Is it possible you are getting a
> different brand of chicken or possibly chicken from a different
store?

Yes, the chicken was from a different store, but each chicken he's
had has been from a different place. His poop was really yellow
though - much more than it had been.
>
> For my dogs this wouldn't be too fast, but each dog is different.
> When did the loose stools start? What was the last thing fed
before
> the problem occurred? The past few days did you go back to beef or
> did he stabalize on chicken?

He vomited on Sunday evening (he'd had beef heart in the morning, but
hadn't really wanted to eat much), I gave him chicken on Monday,
that's when he had the loose stools, but thinking about it, he was
loose before I fed him. He was fine the rest of Monday and Tuesday
then was sick again 3 times today. He had mackerel this morning,
threw it up and ate the vomit, then threw it up again and ate it
again. I gave him the chicken this afternoon which he threw up (but
we cleaned it up before he got chance to eat it).

Thanks for helping Andrea,
Sarah (UK)

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10d. Re: Moral support please!
Posted by: "Sarah" hecarte@hotmail.com sarah_uk_2000_2001
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:28 am ((PST))

Forgot to say - the yellow poop was after he'd eaten beef heart, so I
was expecting dark poop (which he had before).

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10e. Re: Moral support please!
Posted by: "zcdz@aol.com" zcdz@aol.com zziska
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:46 am ((PST))

FYI some chicken producers use dye in their chicken. The same producer can
sell under many different brands to different stores.

OTOH it just might be your guy has had enough chicken?

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10f. Re: Moral support please!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:33 pm ((PST))

> Yes, the chicken was from a different store, but each chicken he's
> had has been from a different place.

Some dogs have reactions to chicken that is enhanced in some way or
another. One of mine gets itchy with chicken enhanced with broth
solutions, but has no problem with minimally processed chicken or the
stuff that is enhanced with saline. It's worth checking into.

> He vomited on Sunday evening (he'd had beef heart in the morning,
> but hadn't really wanted to eat much), I gave him chicken on
> Monday, that's when he had the loose stools, but thinking about it,
> he was loose before I fed him.

It's possible the heart could be the culprit as well. If I were you
I'd determine what he has done best with historically and go back to
just that for now. You may want to let him go without food for a day
to let his gut settle as well.

> then was sick again 3 times today. He had mackerel this morning,
> threw it up and ate the vomit, then threw it up again and ate it
> again. I gave him the chicken this afternoon which he threw up
> (but we cleaned it up before he got chance to eat it).

That sounds like he might be eating too fast to me. Geiger was
notorious for scarfing his food only to vomit and re-eat in a half
hour or so. I started feeding him larger meals and/or partially
frozen ones to slow him down and the problem went away.

Hope that helps a little.

Andrea

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11a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Scored!!! What do you think?
Posted by: "Susan Fortune" desperatelyseekingsusan@cox.net cactususan
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:16 am ((PST))

NOW you're cookin'!.....uh......now you're RAW HUNTING!

I think you've got it. I found that it's a process; you learn a bit at a time.

My experience with "prey" was hilarious. I got cow's legs form the meat supplier--whole, hairy, & lopped off at the knee. When I took them through the house to the backyard, my dogs looked like a cartoon, following the scent trail, entranced. I dumped the four legs in the yard for the four dogs.

It looked like an alien craft had plucked up the cow, leaving the legs behind. The dogs sniffed & sniffed...and sniffed. I encouraged them, shook the "prey" & praised...only one dog took to gnawing on them--that was the 13 year-old, 9 # min-pin! He even pushed the hide back with his snout to get at the good stuff.

Along with the min-pin, my pack includes a 92# lab, a 30# Aussie cattle dog & a 50# Akita/Aussie shepherd mix. The cattle dog eventually made a couple passes at one, but that was it.

I gave one to my raw-feeding son's pit bull...he was enchanted, but no deal. I even tried aging them. All the legs went in the trash.

I've also tried pig's feet. Once again, the min-pin led the way. The cattle dog devoured half of one, then the lab took over & finished it. 18 hours later, he horked up the hooves. But he's a newbie.

You can try making a slit in the prey to show your dog that there is something under all that fluff. Didn't work with mine.

SO. Don't order too much prey at first. Your dog might look at you like you're nuts, and then you have to figure out what to do with the stuff...

Good luck!

Susan
Southern California

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12. Need Help with Irish Wolfhound
Posted by: "Karon L. Volk" karontara@msn.com karontaraiws
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:47 am ((PST))

Hey there, I've been feeding my hounds raw for many years now. Some take to it faster, as adults, than others, but they all usually love it. These days, all of mine are weaned onto the diet and I have never had a problem. There is a wolfhound specific list though that you can go to for more information and support. The link is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IW-BARF/join Good luck with your boy. Karon L. Volk KARONTARA IRISH WOLFHOUNDS

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13a. Re: panting
Posted by: "sheila" schatzee@comporium.net osborne_sheila
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:16 pm ((PST))

Can you elaborate on this? sheila
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From: Susan Fortune
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: panting

Too much food.

Susan
Southern California

"Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle."

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14. Where's the beef? coming from?
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:16 pm ((PST))

Bill and Cris,
I found the corporate office of the major meat supplier of Costco,
Winco, etc only a couple blocks from my current residence. I thought I
would just order from him and as I might have mentioned to this group,
he laughed and wanted to know how many thousand pounds I'd like. When I
inquired about where the meat came from he said, WA, MT, TX mostly USA
and some from Canada. Sounded encouraging to me.
...and yes, he gets his meat at the same Winco where I shop.

Sai

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> I have a serious question ... If I buy a 1/4 pounder at McDonalds or
a
> Whopper and Burger king, what is the difference in the meat from the
> ground beef I buy at the gocery store?
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You'd have to find out where McD gets its beef (used to be Argentina,
don't know now) and from whence comes the beef in the supermarket.

Beyond that, it's not how the beef starts out, it's how it ends up.

And it shouldn't matter on this list anyway. Unless the dog is eating
it. In which case the subject still oughtn't be here since Mickey D's
cooks (at least once) its ground beef.
Chris O
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