[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12395

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
From: Lauren Funaiole
1b. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
From: Yasuko herron
1c. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
1d. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: Need help with puppy
From: Dawn
2b. Re: Need help with puppy
From: Randy
2c. Re: Need help with puppy
From: cypressbunny

3a. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
From: Randy
3b. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: m td
4b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: costrowski75

5. Problems Fiinding a Variety of Meat
From: Susan Fortune

6a. Re: VERY interested in RAW diet for Mastiff.
From: A.

7a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
From: Nora Lenz

8a. {Raw Feeding} Scored!!! What do you think?
From: Susan Fortune

9a. links on raw
From: T Smith
9b. Re: links on raw
From: Chia
9c. Re: links on raw
From: Sandee Lee
9d. Re: links on raw
From: T Smith
9e. Re: links on raw
From: Giselle

10a. Re: Quick stool question
From: Yasuko herron

11. Need help with Irish Wolfhound and feeding raw
From: Kathryn Rowland

12a. Re: panting
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
From: aquilter16
13b. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
From: Sandee Lee

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1a. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
Posted by: "Lauren Funaiole" LFUNAIOL@SIMIVALLEY.ORG lfunaiol
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:21 pm ((PST))

Hi Marge,

I think that you will see more consistent results if you feed your dogs one meal a day. Right now, you are feeding one bony meal and one meaty meal. Therefore, you are getting firm stools and loose stools. Adult dogs do much better on one meal and you will be able to provide more consistent meals with just the right amount of bone to keep them firm.

There's nothing wrong with adding beef as the second kind of protein. If you want to avoid loose stools, add a little beef with some bone-in chicken in one meal. Also, if that sirloin has a cut bone in it, remove it before giving it to the dogs. You could feed beef ribs, but the bones are not very edible for most dogs. You will be taking cleaned bones away from the dogs when they are done eating. Consequently, you could get some loose stools from a meat-only meal. A great beef cut to add to chicken meals is beef heart. It's usually affordable, and most dogs LOVE it.

Lauren Funaiole

>>> "marge" <marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com> 12/18/2007 3:48 PM >>>

The older mini P is 10..he has been more on the costipated side since
adoption. Now he is either constipated or very loose. I have been
regulating this with more chicken meat in pm...giving the other dog
the bonier pieces.

I do wish he had a regular bowel movement before I go to the next
step...but then again, he seems happy, not uncomfortable...and maybe
the slow intro of other food will get him going.

So, I have some sirloin in my freezer that we don't want so I was
going to try a small pc with their chicken. Is this to rich and
should I use pork or turkey? When could I add some beef bone..ribs
or ??? Any suggestions for the next level would be appreciated.
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1b. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:17 pm ((PST))

>Slabs of ribs can be fun and provide good tooth cleaning in the process of removing the bits of meat, gristle,etc., but they aren't fed for bone content

Hi,Sandee.My dog eats Beef Rib bone,Buffalo rib bone,Elk bone etc but I should not feed Beef or Buffalo rib bone?? Since she had no problem crunch down,I just l;et her eat it.Occasinary,especially when she was tired,she tends to leave some bone bits on mat but,other than that,she eats them all.

If she eats bone,it is ok to count as bone intake,right??

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1c. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:18 pm ((PST))

Marge,
Welcome to Raw, ain't it great?!
I would stay on the chicken for another week even two, since we like to keep them on one source of the same meat for a few weeks in the very beginning. And one week, even one good week, is great, but you should keep them on the chicken, for a little longer.
And to help your one with the constipation/runny stools, maybe try changing your chicken to less boney chicken. Backs and thighs, are too much bone, normally. Think meat, because meat should be at least 80% of the diet, all the time. Bone is only 10%. In a larger dog, a whole chicken works out great, but for yours, maybe not so. Breast on the bone would probably work good, but not every meal, give boneless meat on other meals, so then the stools will firm up. Too much bone in the meals will make for runny stools.
Save the Sirloin for a few weeks down the road, it won't go bad, never does for dogs, put it in the freezer and hold on to it.
Wait until everyone is regulated the way they should be before you move on. No need to rush, you have alot of time, all the time in the world for this to work, and you see it working already.
In a few weeks when the stools firm up and they will, then you can change the meat to a different kind, and throw that sirloin in.
But when you switch, you want to have enough on hand of the same kind of protein to mix in with the chicken, like if you are adding the sirloin, have more beef on hand so you can have meals of both the beef and chicken for everyone. :) If you want to switch to a different kind of meat, like pork, then just keep the sirloin in the freezer a little longer.
Once your furbabies get used to a few different kinds of meats, and their stomachs learn the way you are going you could throw a cow at them and they would be fine, but until then, you should take it easy on them for starters:)
On adding recreational bones, I use rib racks and pigs feet, emu ribs, any kind of bone I can find, but mine are great danes, and they can handle any kind of bones I throw at them.
If you feel yours can handle it, I would start off with some pork rib bones, since yours are smaller, and pork didn't seem to upset the stomach of my little Pomchi when we got her, you could cut a rack in half, and try that.
Most people don't give their dogs weight bearing bones, ones that an animal uses to put all their weight on, the legs and such because the feel it will hurt the teeth of the dog, and it can if the dog gets carried away. Mine don't so I don't worry about it. We even have cow feet that they chew on for fun.
They can get a little pork introduced slowly into thier systems, while still on the chicken, but not like a meal, and have the ribs for cleaning teeth, mine however eat all the bones, and some other dogs can too. See how yours do. Just watch and if they leave the bones after the meat is gone, then throw them away. But don't separate them from the rack, leave at least three ribs together, so they don't gulp them.... When you have a new dog like yours, the one you adopted, it takes time to find out if it eats, chews, gulps, or devours bones.:)
And if that goes well, then pigs feet are even better, mine eat the whole thing, and for yours, those could very well be a meal. Mine, just a snack:)
And as far as rich(ness) goes on a meat, I have never had a problem with that on any meat. Some meats are kind of fatty, like pork. But if you have a rescue that needs to gain some weight, this could be helpful. Some dogs get runny stools from too much fat, just depends. (no pun intended)
Beef usually isn't a problem even when we give ours the trim and it comes sometimes 50/50 half fat and half meat. They love it.
And don't forget to add fish to the mix, it helps a whole lot, gives them oils and nutrients they need and it's a meat too.
Remember, meat 80%, bones 10%, and organs, 10%, like liver, hearts, and stuff.
It doesn't have to all be like this in every meal, but should work out like this say every week. I do organ meats once a week, Whole chickens, at least once a week, pig feets a few a week.
Ground rabbit, once a week. Rec bones all the time. Beef, pork, turkey, emu, and whatever is on sale, every day.
Now that they are used to it.:)
You're getting there, just take your time, let them get used to it. Keep up the great work.
Jeni
Owned, operated, often tricked, by my two Great Danes, Zeus and Zena, our little Pomchi, Daisy, and the cat Lucky, and our little no name, he's new, and a Chihuahua, who is just too cute for his own good:) and Mine!

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1d. Re: Ready to go to next level of raw?!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:47 pm ((PST))

If they are soft enough she can consume without harming teeth, yes they
count as bone intake.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Yasuko herron" <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,Sandee.My dog eats Beef Rib bone,Buffalo rib bone,Elk bone etc but I
should not feed Beef or Buffalo rib bone?? Since she had no problem crunch
down,I just l;et her eat it.Occasinary,especially when she was tired,she
tends to leave some bone bits on mat but,other than that,she eats them all.
>
> If she eats bone,it is ok to count as bone intake,right??

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2a. Re: Need help with puppy
Posted by: "Dawn" draine9543@gmail.com dawnsdogs2004
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:21 pm ((PST))

Almost 2 pounds for a 35 lb puppy is way too much food.
Should only be around 1 pound???

Are you peeling all the skin and fat off the quarters?

~~Dawn~~

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2b. Re: Need help with puppy
Posted by: "Randy" rrostie@gmail.com rjrostie
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:36 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn" <draine9543@...> wrote:
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> Almost 2 pounds for a 35 lb puppy is way too much food.
> Should only be around 1 pound???

I am cutting down.

> Are you peeling all the skin and fat off the quarters?

No, but I will if it will help.

Randy R

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2c. Re: Need help with puppy
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:40 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <rrostie@...> wrote:
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> > Are you peeling all the skin and fat off the quarters?
>
> No, but I will if it will help.

*** It may help a bit during the transition but is not needed long
term. A 4 month old pup may need to be fed 3 times a day rather than 2.
How much food pups need varies quite a bit, but 1.5# per day does seem
like too much for an adult Llasa. Unless your Llasa is huge, less than
a pound per day would be a more reasonable amount. I would skip a meal
for both dogs and allow their systems to rest, and then resume with
smaller amounts and a bit less fat. Then work back up to an appropriate
amount without removing fat.

--Carrie

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3a. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
Posted by: "Randy" rrostie@gmail.com rjrostie
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:21 pm ((PST))

Trichinosis used to be a problem with pork but legislation has made
sure commercial pork suppliers don't feed pigs raw meat garbage.
Hopefully the Amish are equally as careful what they feed their pigs.

I would think the quality of the pork tripe would depend on what the
pigs were fed.

Randy R

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn" <draine9543@...> wrote:
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> I have been reading that pork is controversial....
> true? un-true?
>
> I am invited to spend a day with an Amish family,
> they are butchering 2 pigs...I can have everything that they
> normally throw into pails and bring out to the woods.
>
> I need a plan...LOL! Is pork tripe good? Are you only supposed to
> feed beef tripe? How will I know which part is tripe?
> (other then the smell) I am going to bring a couple saw horses, meat
> cleaver, packing paper and my grinder, grind and
> package on the spot. Bring home and freeze.

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3b. Re: Please help me prepare to attend home butcher of 2 pigs....
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:48 pm ((PST))

"Randy" <rrostie@...> wrote:
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>
> I would think the quality of the pork tripe would depend on what the
> pigs were fed.
*****
Tripe is generally considered the lining of a stomach/some of the
stomachs/all the stomachs of a ruminant. A pig is an ungulate but not
a ruminant. A pig's stomach is pretty much like ours. Not tripe
material. Just plain old stomach.
Chris O

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4a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "m td" mtd885@yahoo.com mtd885
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:21 pm ((PST))

My guess is that the fast food is 'made with 100%
beef' and supermarket stuff is 100% beef. It has never
tasted like beef to me but when I did eat that stuff
it satisfied a craving...mtd

mtd

what is the difference in
> the meat

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4b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:36 pm ((PST))

"carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
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> I have a serious question ... If I buy a 1/4 pounder at McDonalds or
a
> Whopper and Burger king, what is the difference in the meat from the
> ground beef I buy at the gocery store?
*****
You'd have to find out where McD gets its beef (used to be Argentina,
don't know now) and from whence comes the beef in the supermarket.

Beyond that, it's not how the beef starts out, it's how it ends up.

And it shouldn't matter on this list anyway. Unless the dog is eating
it. In which case the subject still oughtn't be here since Mickey D's
cooks (at least once) its ground beef.
Chris O

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5. Problems Fiinding a Variety of Meat
Posted by: "Susan Fortune" desperatelyseekingsusan@cox.net cactususan
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:42 pm ((PST))

Brandi:

You are in great territory for:
1. Beef
2. Hunters
...not that your dog should eat the hunters, but the hunters can potentially provide you with meat.

I hunt the supermarket ads, & also buy from a meat processor who travels up & down the state with dog-appropriate food. He has the interesting stuff.

www.crestonvalleymeats.com
He has buffalo bones, emu liver, rabbit, pig's feet, green tripe, organ blend & many other items. This California business doesn't help you except to know that raw feeding is pretty big, and you should be able to find some sources.

If you're out in the tules, think of making a monthly trip to a slaughterhouse. A freezer from Craig's List makes that do-able!

Susan Fortune
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6a. Re: VERY interested in RAW diet for Mastiff.
Posted by: "A." ols@charter.net cesare.1920
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:17 pm ((PST))

Hi Ken! I have 2 Mastiffs as well. A 1 year old and a 5 year old. I
can't really give you info on prices because we have just started
feeding raw ourselves. We also were on Diamond 60+ :)

I just wanted to post and tell you that it is worth a shot. If it
becomes to expensive then you could always switch back. I was spending
on dry dogfood $45-55 a month. Since I have not found cheap places to
buy meat ye we are paying more now. I am grabbing up sale meats but
our local processing plants aren't being very helpful when I call
asking to buy scraps.

Start with leg quarters maybe. I am getting them for about 50 cents a
pound. I am getting whole chickens for about 86 cents a pound.

Good luck with your giant babies!!

~Amanda

> Mainly what I'm looking for here is someone who has fed RAW to a
> MASTIFF for a while and what it comes out to be monthly as a cost?
>
> I totally understand the benefits of feeding RAW, i'm just unsure if
I
> could afford it or not. :(

> Ken

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7a. Re: fasting question -- Can we call it "not eating?"
Posted by: "Nora Lenz" nmlenz@speakeasy.net rawnora
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:17 pm ((PST))

Kathy,
When you only feed your dog one day out of three, what you're doing on
the off days is fasting, regardless of what you call it. The word
"fasting" carries no religious or moral connotation, at least not in
the context that it has been used here. It's just the act of not
feeding when you (or someone else) otherwise might. In addition,
although I didn't see the post you were replying to, I note in your
comments some misunderstanding or confusion that I'd like to try and
clear up, if you'll indulge me, particilarly in this passage:

"...maybe there are too many wolves and food is scarce. This is not a
good thing. I do not think any of us think it is advantageous to let
our dogs not eat until they are starving, jsut becasue sometimes this
happens to wolves."

Fluctuations in any species' food supply that occasionally result in
starvation are part of nature. It should be noted that when food is
scarce, nature does her best to assure that there is as little
suffering as possible via mechanisms like spontaneous abortion and
decreased fertility. That starvation also happens sometimes is not
subject to a moral judgement by us. It just is. The starvation of a
few animals when food is scarce prevents more suffering if those
animals were to survive and bring more offspring into the situation.
Nobody is suggesting that we should starve our dogs because that
happens to wild dogs on occasion. Fasting is not starvation; the two
processes are entirely distinct. During fasting, the body subsists on
stored reserves. Also during a fast, the body directs its energies to
whatever tasks it is behind on, and which commonly result in symptoms
(in dogs) like skin and ear inflammation, diarrhea, scooting, lethargy
and a whole host of chronic issues.

When a dog's reserves are completely used up, starvation is what
happens if the dog is not fed.

So, to summarize:

Fasting affords a sick body the chance to regenerate and rejuvenate.
Starvation always results in death. The two are not only distinct,
you could even say they are opposites, at least in effect.

Most humans can go many weeks without eating, and come out of the
experience much healthier for it. Similarly, dogs can also go for
long periods without food. Nature set it up that way. All successful
species have had to adapt to periodic food scarcity. Since we're
still here, we obviously adapted this ability. So did dogs. I don't
recommend fasting asymptomatic dogs just because we have this
knowledge. I believe that irregular feeding is best for dogs because
it mirrors what happens in the wild. If you're feeding irregularly
and don't want to call the non-feeding days "fasting" days, it doesn't
change the underlying principle.

Most dog owners are under the mistaken impression that dogs need daily
feedings. When symptoms flare up, the first thing that dog owners
should do is back off on feeding because it is the accumulation of
undigested substances in the body that creates the vast majority of
symptoms. If a dog owner is already feeding appropriate foods in
proper quantities such that the dog is never symptomatic, extended
fasting (more than a day or two) need never be employed.

"FAST has an emotional meaning that in not applicable to dogs."

First and foremost, fasting is an inherently natural phenomenon. Food
scarcity isn't the only reason that animals fast. All wild animals
typically abstain from eating when they are sick and injured. In the
human world, fasting has been used by health practitioners and health
seekers for centuries as a way of giving the body the chance to
cleanse and recuperate. That is has also been used for religious or
other purposes does not change the meaning of the word.

Best regards,
Nora
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8a. {Raw Feeding} Scored!!! What do you think?
Posted by: "Susan Fortune" desperatelyseekingsusan@cox.net cactususan
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:17 pm ((PST))

Yikes.

Unless you're feeding a Chihuahua, those are high prices. You don't need the cuts that the custom butcher is providing for his human clients. Talk to him about trim & scrap.

I NEVER pay more than $1.00 per pound for anything...but that doesn't mean that I can buy everything! I routinely buy chicken breasts, leg quarters & country-style pork ribs--all at $.99. Whole chicken at $.69.

The beef heart is reasonable. Check your supermarket sales.

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9a. links on raw
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:18 pm ((PST))

+++Mod note: pls keep signature to 4 lines or less. this one trimmed for you by a mod. ++++++++++

I keep getting ripped apart about dogs being omnivores.....& kibble is
great, I have no proof raw is good, I'm a bad person to feed raw...
ANY current links out there please with substantiated 'evidence' on raw
feeding & benefits & why kibble is not good?
Trina
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Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf & epileptic Great Dane)

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9b. Re: links on raw
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:24 pm ((PST))

I keep getting ripped apart about dogs being omnivores.....& kibble is
great, I have no proof raw is good, I'm a bad person to feed raw...
ANY current links out there please with substantiated 'evidence' on raw
feeding & benefits & why kibble is not good?

http://rawfed.com/myths

everything you need is here. Hmmm... I thought
omnivores had jaws that moved side to side with mashing teeth to break down
vegetation... strange how dogs have a jaw that only works up and down...and
teeth that criss cross like daggers... could we all be wrong?

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9c. Re: links on raw
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:38 pm ((PST))

Same as always, Trina...rawfeeding myths! All the facts are there.

Why are you even bothering to discuss this with unbelievers?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "T Smith" <coldbeach@gmail.com>
> I keep getting ripped apart about dogs being omnivores.....& kibble is
> great, I have no proof raw is good, I'm a bad person to feed raw...
> ANY current links out there please with substantiated 'evidence' on raw
> feeding & benefits & why kibble is not good?

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9d. Re: links on raw
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

I just want to defend my position on why I feed raw to my 9 dogs.
That's all. I guess since I know it is right, I've nothing to defend.
Thanks for the reminder!
Trina

On Dec 18, 2007 7:38 PM, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:

> Same as always, Trina...rawfeeding myths! All the facts are there.
>
> Why are you even bothering to discuss this with unbelievers?
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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9e. Re: links on raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:22 pm ((PST))

Hi, Trina!
Some links in archived posts;

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/143301

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/144402

The Merck Veterinary Manual: "The carbohydrates added to pet foods are
mainly in the form of polysaccharides (starch and cellulose),
disaccharides (sucrose and lactose), and monosaccharides (glucose and
fructose). Carbohydrates are a less expensive source of energy than
fat or protein. In dogs, there appears to be **no dietary requirement
for carbohydrate**."

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/message/16340
I don't try to convert the close minded, either. And I never 'defend' my
decision to feed raw.
Unless they come to me with an open mind and/or genuine questions, I let 'em
wallow in their own ignorance. ^_^

TC
Giselle

On Dec 18, 2007 9:52 PM, T Smith <coldbeach@gmail.com> wrote:

> +++Mod note: pls keep signature to 4 lines or less. this one trimmed for
> you by a mod. ++++++++++
>
> I keep getting ripped apart about dogs being omnivores.....& kibble is
> great, I have no proof raw is good, I'm a bad person to feed raw...
> ANY current links out there please with substantiated 'evidence' on raw
> feeding & benefits & why kibble is not good?
> Trina
> --
> Chip (senior cancer deaf Dalmatian)
> Casper (deaf Great Dane)
> Whisper (deaf & epileptic Great Dane)
>
>
>

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10a. Re: Quick stool question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:29 pm ((PST))

> My guy puts out really tiny turds varying from day to day from the calcified crumblies to really soft, very dark squishy kinds of emissions.However, the food doesn't really vary that much.

Hi,Carol.What does your dog get as meal as variety? Are you still new?

My dog tend to give much dark poo when I feed heart meal andthen,it is little softer(not enough to mess her butt fur though),and when I feed rib meal or something along with boneless meat, or poultry, then,she gives firmer poo but not crumbly. Poultry gives pale poo and elk and Mackerral and other red meat meal seem to give brown tan or little darker poo.Pork however gives pale poo.
Liver is just about 5% so,it seems not effect her too much in poo concistency-wise.

As for quantity,she goes potty and do poo maybe once a day(used to be 2 or more on kibble) and,much much small poo.Small pooo is normal. That means things you fed are digested pretty good by dog.

If you see pudding-like poo,it maybe you fed too much food in one sitting or too much fat in the meal (like my dog could not handle all skin on with Duck and gave dark pudding-like poo),or you fed new food too much too soon.Do you find any possibility in here?

Other than real food matter,my dog had miserable time when my neighbor fed large dogggy treats.I stopped all commercial made treats after switching to raw feeding and had no milkbone or steak flavore doggy treat oranything like that before the treat she got andmy guess is she cannot handle commercial treats anymore(preservative,additive etc in treats) and she had diarrhea woke me up at night..

If you stopped feeding commercial made treats like me,it is another possibility.


>Also, from time to time (about 2-3 times over 9 months) he's "lost it"
in the kitchen in the middle of the night and I wake up to find a mixture
of pudding poop little deposits in some areas and these hard crumbly
deposits in the other...both from the same poop?

I think so. when my dog had lamb tongue which has 70% fat in food,she had waterly-pudding like yellowish poo with bits in it. After I tweaked her lamb tongue meal with combo meal,the poo problem was gone but it was due for too much fat in the diet in palette's case.

Are you keeping Jounal?? It really helps.you really don't have to write long diary-like thing.Just write down dates,what you fed and if you see problem like this happen,you can look back and find out what was causing it and very good to track down the cause.I keep Jounal daily.

>Anyway, do I need to worry here?
I don't think so. I think you try Jounal andsee what was causing the problem and tweak the menu maybe good way to go. For crmbly ones, in general,give less bone than now and for pudding like poo,you maybe either feeding too much fat in one sitting so,you can try skin off from meal or cut out visible glob of fat or if you were feeding too much andmade such poo,then,you feed small amount per meal would solve the problems.

If yourdog were constipated-like,meal tweaking help but also,going for walk helps too.Because walking makes encourage the bowel movement.

yassy

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11. Need help with Irish Wolfhound and feeding raw
Posted by: "Kathryn Rowland" kerowland2005@sbcglobal.net tazzie979
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:51 pm ((PST))

I have tried looking in the archives and unless I am doing it wrong was
unable to find help/info!!!

I have a 4 1/2 irish wolfhound who I am trying to feed raw. I am
concerned that I am missing the "basics" with him for his breed. I
hope this makes sense. My newfoundlands have not skipped a beat in the
transition but my IW is having difficulties. He only wants chicken
backs or ground beef! If someone who has experience with this breed
can help me I would appreciate it.

If need be, email me directly or give me a link to go to!

Thanks

Kathryn

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12a. Re: panting
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:52 pm ((PST))

I do remember months ago,someone was posting about trainer was telling them cool food and hot food or something.I do not remember the detail,but it should be in the past archive.

maybe food we feed has some effect on body?? other than work out to eat meal.??

yassy

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13a. Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
Posted by: "aquilter16" aquilter16@hotmail.com aquilter16
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:28 pm ((PST))

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Hi, I have a 5 month old female dobe and would like to correspond with
anybody that has experience with raw feeding this breed. She has been
on chicken backs for 2 months and have run into a few instances of
frequent, loose, mucousy stool. She has been checked by vet and given
a clean bill of health, but of course the diet was cited as cause of
problems - I didn't try to defend myself, will look for another vet.
But anyway, will welcome hearing from anyone with experience with dobes
or similiar breed. Thanks.

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13b. Re: Looking for advice, support, guidance with dobe
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:29 pm ((PST))

I don't have a dobe at the moment (did in the past)...right now it's Danes.
Regardless, appropriate diet is dependant upon species rather than breed!
Dogs are carnivores and their normal prey consists of lots of red meat and a
little edible bone (think deer, elk, moose, etc).

I'm not certain what the problem is with your dog...a few instances of loose
stools really isn't a big deal. But a steady diet of chicken backs is
something to be concerned about. Definitely lacking in meat, fat, variety,
and heavy in bone...crucial in a growing puppy.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "aquilter16" <aquilter16@hotmail.com>

Hi, I have a 5 month old female dobe and would like to correspond with
anybody that has experience with raw feeding this breed. She has been
on chicken backs for 2 months and have run into a few instances of
frequent, loose, mucousy stool. She has been checked by vet and given
a clean bill of health, but of course the diet was cited as cause of
problems - I didn't try to defend myself, will look for another vet.
But anyway, will welcome hearing from anyone with experience with dobes
or similiar breed. Thanks.

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