Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12422

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Giant dogs - growth rate
From: eventer2001
1b. Re: Giant dogs - growth rate
From: Tina Berry
1c. Re: Giant dogs - growth rate
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
From: Andrea
2b. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
From: Yasuko herron

3a. This has been on my mind lately...
From: mozookpr

4a. Re: New to this - what do you think?
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

5. re; my dog hates venison
From: Michelle R

6a. Re: Staffordshire bull
From: Yasuko herron

7a. Re: my dog hates venison!
From: Yasuko herron

8a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
From: anjaleck
8b. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
From: tobrlaka

9a. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: marge
9b. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: Sandee Lee
9c. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: carnesbill

10a. ichy skin!
From: pfs.freedom
10b. Re: ichy skin!
From: Sandee Lee

11a. GI Normous Dogs
From: PK Shader
11b. Re: GI Normous Dogs
From: carnesbill

12a. Re: Need a logical response
From: diannem200400
12b. Re: Need a logical response
From: diannem200400
12c. Re: Need a logical response
From: diannem200400

13a. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
From: homesforallpets

14. New here & ready to start
From: Jean

15. gassy pup
From: Amy T

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1a. Giant dogs - growth rate
Posted by: "eventer2001" eventer2001@yahoo.com eventer2001
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:18 am ((PST))

Hey all. new to the group but have been feeding raw for several
years. Started with my 10 year old Newfie when he had kidney
problems... kidney problems cleared up and he lived to be 12.
Family's cattledog is 6 and has been fed raw for several years. Now
I have a 5 month old Newf pup and he's doing raw as well.

The question I currently have is that I have been told that about 10
pounds per month is appropriate growth for a Newf pup (my old guy I
got at 10.5 months so I haven't done the Newf pup routine until
now). Don't want them to grow too fast or they will develop problems
as a result. He turned 5 months yesterday and is weighing in at
approximately 52 pounds. HOWEVER, he is also currently a bit
underweight.... which means ideally he's a bit over the 10
pounds/month guideline.

I understand it's a guideline only, but the thought that his growth
has been spurred by the good stuff he's eating has me a little
concerned. Not enough to go off raw by any means! Just wondering if
anyone has any advice in this area. Could the good stuff be
encouraging a faster than desired (for physical "normality") growth
rate? Can anything be done (other than going off raw which there is
no way I'm going to do) -- backing off certain proteins, or the like?

Thanks so much
Tammy
& Reilly -- aka Adama's Watchtower at TLC
Dayton, Ohio

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1b. Re: Giant dogs - growth rate
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:44 am ((PST))

"Don't want them to grow too fast or they will develop problems as a result.
He turned 5 months yesterday and is weighing in at approximately 52 pounds.
HOWEVER, he is also currently a bit underweight.... which means ideally he's
a bit over the 10 pounds/month guideline."

Raw feeding IMO allows them to grow at a more even rate; however, they still
go thru growth spurts at around 5-7 months, then again at around 12-15
months and then sometimes another one later. My 97lb gsd weighed about
50lbs at 5 months as well, he has large bones and never once got pano or
anything else. He developed very nicely.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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1c. Re: Giant dogs - growth rate
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:15 pm ((PST))

Hi Tammy,

I don't think I would worry too much about the charts and guidelines. Just
stick with feeding the guy 2-3% of his expected ideal weight and adjust by
his looks rather than the scale! :) You should be able to look and feel
and know if he is too thin or gaining too quickly. And remember that
feeding raw adds nice muscle which weighs more. You certainly don't want to
decrease any of his protein amounts unless he is looking pudgy!

BTW, that is awesome about your older Newfie's kidney issues clearing up on
raw! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "eventer2001" <eventer2001@yahoo.com>

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2a. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:53 am ((PST))

> should I ask him not to feed her the last day, so when I come back
> I start with the raw?

With my dogs I didn't bother skipping a meal before starting them on
raw, though I know that some people do. It's up to you, really.

> I go, buy the whole turkey, ask the butcher to cut it in parts,
> take out the skin and give it to her?

Actually you can leave the skin on. I would take the innards out of
the turkey, though. You can stash them in the freezer for later. If
your meat guy doesn't want to cut the turkey for you it might be
easier to go with chicken. As I said before, it is likely that your
girl was reacting to the rice or some other grain than the chicken
earlier. Also, dogs that have shown an allergic reaction to cooked
chicken often don't have any problem eating *raw* chicken.

> how much, she is more or less 100 pounds.

It depends on how much she should weigh as a healthy adult. You'll
probably be feeding between two and three pounds a day. For now you
might want to start her with two feedings a day.

> Also, do you think is a good idea to give her some kind of vitamins
> because she was not getting enough? or the raw diet is going to be
> enough?

A good raw diet will give her everything she needs.

> How can I make it more tasteful, I know her and I am sure that she
> is going to look at me and ask "what is this?"

Don't be so sure, lots of dogs take to a raw diet right off the bat.
To stack the cards in your favor I would make sure the food is at
least room temp when you feed it to her, maybe warm it up a bit in a
bowl of hot water. When you give it to her make a big production out
of it since she's getting a fantastic new, special food.

Give her the food in her crate (if she has one) or on a big towel and
leave her alone. If she tries to take the food elsewhere, gently
tell her she needs to stay in her spot and place the food back where
it came from. Don't hover or try to coax her into eating, she'll get
curious on her own. If she doesn't show any interest after 10 or 15
minutes just calmly pick up the food and put it away until the next
feeding. On the off chance she doesn't go for it, come back and
we'll give you some more tips to make the food more appetizing for
her. Good luck.

Andrea

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2b. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:46 pm ((PST))

>I am going to be back on January 2nd, she is with a pet sitter, I read
that is a good option to let her fast for a day and then start with the raw food, should I
ask him not to feed her the last day, so when I come back I start with the raw?

HI,Nayeli.No need to fast your dog to start with raw.You can go ahead do rawfeeding Cold Turkey without fasting.

When you switch brand of kibble,you must have been told to have transition time and gradually change diet to new brand kibble from breeder,but for raw,it is not the case.

With extreme,if you fed kibble on morning and suddenly thought you like to start from dinner time on that day with Raw,you can do that way.

Just do not feed kibble AM,raw PM all the time thought.It is not good for digestion wise for dogs.

> buy the whole turkey, ask the butcher to cut it in parts,

Wel,you can start with any meat you like.Often times,chicken is recommended because of availability and price wise and most dogs do well on chicken, but you can start from Turkey,you can start from Beef..wahtever you can get.

Mine started from chicken though. I think you do not need to ask your butcher to cut the poultry at all.If bird was too big for DAne,you can cut with kitchen sears. My sears;Joyce CHen unlimited red handle scissor cut poultry very easily.No cleaver needed other than probably leg part a little.

You know how much weigh is ideal for Dane. Then,you feed 2%-3% of weight is guideline and it is depend on activity level too so,on food amount,you need to experiment and decide how much you feed.If your dog were super active and if 3% did not look enough for them,you can feed 4%5% 6% etc.The % is not set in stone so,you see your dog and decide.

>take out the skin and give it to her?

You don't need to make poultry skineless at all.If your dog did not have digestive prob or fat% prob,you can feed with skin. Mine is corgi,but when I feed Duck,I need to skin off a little because if all skin on,she gets gooey poo. So far,she can take probably 2 thubm nail sized skin on Duck meat.More than that becomes prob.Each dog is different so,you need to learn waht works best fopr your dog.

>Also, do you think is a good idea to give her some kind of vitamins
because she was not getting enough?

No. Any vitamin is made from lab and,I think that it is much healthier if human or dog could get the same vitamins from form of whole foods not from form of tablet or pills.

And,if you really try to supplement with Vitamin tab,you need to know how much is too much for your dog and,it is not an easy job to do.

Idea of feeding raw is that such vitamins or minerals or protins are fed balanced ovewr time.So, if one did not get say..not enogh Vitamin A,then,the dog gets it from other source of food that has A later such as liver.

When you thnk about it,if it were balance over time,you can pretty much get any vitamin from food.

Only thing that may benefit your dog is Fish oil or salmon oil that is made from Omega3 rich fish such as herring,Mackerral,Anchovi,Salmon,Sardine.

If the dog was on mainly poultry diet,then,omega 3 is hard to achive enough for dogs so,need to bump up the level of Omega3.Poultry is high in omega6.

Feed more red meat,little poultry,little fish is the way to go,I learnt here.

My dog gets fed mostly red meat and 4 meal or so poultry and 4 meal fish out of 14meals.I feed 2 omega 3 rich fish every week and I feed omega 3 rich Egg so,I am thinking I give fish oil only on non omega3 rich fish meal day.

>How can I make it more tasteful,

I think raw meat is tastiest for them.It just that because of un familiar texture and smell and taste,dog may find it hard to dig in right away.

Just be patient and yor dog be fine.don't co-ax the dog to eat.

yassy

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3a. This has been on my mind lately...
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:57 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Nayelli Di Spalatro
<nayellidispalatro@...> wrote:
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> When she was a puppy I fed her with cooked chicken and
> rice, and she was not able to keep the food down so
> the vet said that probably she was allergic to chicken
> (he never made any test), so I stop feeding her like
> that.
>
Why, when a dog has issues with food, do so many vets assume it is
the MEAT that is the culprit? Dogs get moved from grain-based food
with chicken to grain-based food with lamb to grain-based food with
rabbit or venison or fish or whatever, and the "problem" is always,
always, always with the meat...sigh.

Okay, enough of that rant. Sorry, Nayelli.

You will find an absolute treasure trove of things for your dog in
NY! I envy the diversity of your markets there. But to start, keep
it simple. Get some chickens (do make sure they are not "improved"
with any seasonings or other enhancements.) Cut them in half, or
even offer a whole one if you like. A Dane is a big dog, and you can
always take up any leftovers for the next meal.

You might be nervous. I was. Your dog might have runny poo for a
few days, or even a couple of weeks. Mine did. (Still do,
sometimes, due to operator error.) You will make mistakes, but they
are unlikely to hurt your dog. Your nerves and your carpets may
suffer the occasional trauma at first, but if you feed that big dog
big food and add introduce new meats slowly she will be fine.

Cheers,

Wendy

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4a. Re: New to this - what do you think?
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:46 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 12/26/2007 8:47:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
"Darjeelingirl" writes:

However, they haven't eaten any of it yet even
though I've left it out for them and have not offered any kibble. Do you
think they will get hungry enough and give in or should I do something
differently?

Hi, Patsy,

About the cats--You will have to go on and give them kibble, for now. You
can't starve a cat into eating, like you can a dog, as they are at risk of a
liver ailment if they go without food for too long. (I read that over 24 hr. may
be a risk factor for some cats.) You'll just have to persistently place a
tiny bite of meat along with their kibble until they get so familiar with it
that they forget its something new and accidentally eat it. :)

Here's a web site with lots of good information:

_http://www.rawfedcats.org/practicleguide.htm_

(http://www.rawfedcats.org/practicleguide.htm)

Lynda

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5. re; my dog hates venison
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:47 pm ((PST))

Well, if all else fails, just box it up and send it to me, mine LOVE it!!! LOL

All kidding aside, I had one who the first week or so of venison, he would ONLY eat it still nearly frozen, and then only premo quality tenderloin peices and sliced "just right" into bite size peices. The other picky one of mine just refused it entirely. I picked it back up and just offered it to him next meal time, they got no treats and no other food. Took 2 days for my real picky one to decide he would try it, now just a few months later, its one of his favorites, which is good becuz its one of my main food sources. I did no searing and found at first, if I put him in crate and left the room completely, he was more likely to eat than if there were other dogs or myself around. It did bother him to see me hand feed my other guys peices of the venison and we made a big deal over how yummy it is in front of him....he came around, altho I think soemtimes it was mostly jealousy driven, but hey! whatever works, right??

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
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6a. Re: Staffordshire bull
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:16 pm ((PST))

>He's a 30Lbs dog, how much should I feed him?

30lb x 16 x 0.02 gives you 2% intake for a day.
Only if your dog's ideal weight was 30lb.If your dog were going to be bigger than tat and that bigger number was ideal use that number instead of 30.

Out of that daily intake number 10% of it will be organ intake.5% liver,5% other organ like kidney.

When you just start feeding,you do not need to give organ at all.

As your dogs get uised to organ free meal,you can give to your dog organ from smidge amount to increase the amount to desired amount.

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7a. Re: my dog hates venison!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:16 pm ((PST))

>Venison is a very gamey, smelly meat, and maybe your dog just doesn't
like it.

I cooked Elk for THanksgiving,but it wasn't gamy at all.It is tasted like Beef.

My dog had prob eating Elk rib with enthuisium but, other Elk Heart,Elk boneless meat part,palette did not have any prob eating.You can try other part and see if the dog show interest or not.

As for Rib, If I showed bone under skin,she goes enthustic too.Maybe you can try many different tricks and see if it works. If not,after being introduced some other stuff,you can re-introduce them again.THey may be ok by then.

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8a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
Posted by: "anjaleck" anjaleck@gmail.com anjaleck
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:16 pm ((PST))

> I have always had good luck buying in bulk from small independent
> grocery stores that sell meat.

Thanks, Bill! You started me thinking along lines I hadn't thought of
before. There aren't many independent grocers around here, but there
is a meat store specializing in meat for the Latinos in the area.
I'll check that out.

Hugs,
Anj

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8b. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
Posted by: "tobrlaka" tobrlaka@nwi.net tobrlaka
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:33 pm ((PST))

Kathy
I am not sure what stores you have available in your area, but perhaps
this could be the case no matter where:
I was staring at various cuts of this and that in the meat department
at our local Albertson's, and the butcher came out and asked what I
was looking for. I told her I needed raw meat for my dogs, and she
was DELIGHTED to clear out about 10# of her ground turkey for about
50cents/pound, rather than the usual $3 per pound, because it was
going to be past its "sell by" date the next day.
If you are bold enough to let your butcher or meat department person
know you can help him/her out by clearing out that stuff for them at
LOW prices (maybe I should have asked for it for free?) maybe you
could get a steady supply of at least some goodies at hand that way.

I do understand your idea of wanting to have enough on hand to not
have to switch back and forth from kibble to raw.

Who would have thought shopping for dog/cat food could turn into such
a 'treasure hunt?'

Good luck
brenda

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9a. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "marge" marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com marge_moriarty17551
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:17 pm ((PST))

Hello everyone,

I have continued to check the posts daily but haven't needed to post
anything....I guess this means I am not as nervous about our
feedings. Foxy and Pepper (mini poo's)have been eating raw almost
three weeks now. They still get a lot of chicken but have begun to
eat pork and beef. I still haven't purchased a scale so I am
eyeballing the amount. They usually get a part of a chicken back in
the am and just meat in pm. I am slowly backing off the amount of
bone and increasing the meat even in the morning. They seem to need
the bone to keep stools normal. Will begin adding organ soon.

Now, about the teeth issue: My guys teeth were pretty much covered
in plaque with moderately bad breath. Tonight I had my first
appointment with a new vet (with Foxy)...I confess, I chickened
out...could not tell her I raw feed. Well, she saw Foxy's teeth and
really thinks I should get them cleaned. They aren't loose except
for slightly loose front tooth. Do dog's teeth actually
improve...does raw feeding and the bones break up the plaque. I was
hoping to get feedback on others experiences with this issue.
Feedback on my feeding regime much appreciated also.
Thanks to all,

Marge

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9b. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:57 pm ((PST))

Yes Marge, they definitely do improve. Not sure what to say about the loose
teeth, but the rest of it should clean up nicely. You might wait a while on
the cleaning. When I adopted one of my Danes at 6-years-old, his teeth were
horrible! It took several months for all of it to come off, but my vet was
amazed to hear I have never had his teeth cleaned! :) Of course, he's
amazed I have healthy 8 and 12-year-old Danes! :)

Oh, and no need to tell your vet what you are feeding! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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9c. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:11 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "marge" <marge_moriarty17551@...>
wrote:
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> They seem to need
> the bone to keep stools normal. Will begin adding organ soon.

Don't be in a big rush to add organ. If they are still having even
a little issue with stools it won't hurt a thing to wait another
month before feeding organs.

> Well, she saw Foxy's teeth and
> really thinks I should get them cleaned.

Wait a few months and I think you will see the teeth are all taken
care of. They should be pearly white by then.

> They aren't loose except
> for slightly loose front tooth. Do dog's teeth actually
> improve...does raw feeding and the bones break up the plaque.

Absolutely, 100%, beyond the shadow of a doubt, yes. You are going
to be amazed. I don't know if the slightly loose tooth will become
tight again. Wait and see. It may. If there are cavities, they
won't go away, but the plaque will disappear. No cleaning will be
necessary.

I had exactly thes same situation with my two old Goldens when I
switched them. The vet had been after me to get teeth cleaned for 3
years. Began raw in an October and when they went for regular check
in Feb, the vet couldn't believe it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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10a. ichy skin!
Posted by: "pfs.freedom" staylor@chjinc.com pfs.freedom
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:17 pm ((PST))

Hello everyone. Ive just gotten a chihuahua puppy, ive named Brody,
that is about 11 weeks old. Ive been feeding him raw chicken and a
little bit of beef for the the last week since I got him. My concern is
that he keeps biting his back legs like they are ichy. I cant see any
fleas on him and he seems to only chew on the same spots. Im wondering
if it could just be dry skin and if anyone knows a natural remedy I
could try for him. the nearest Holistic vet only takes appointments and
I cant get in to see him for another week. any advice would be
appreciated. thanks!

Shannon Taylor
(and Brody)

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10b. Re: ichy skin!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:01 pm ((PST))

Shannon,

There are lots of possibilities...could be dry skin, could be additives in
the chicken, not enough fat in the diet or fleas
(you tried a flea comb on him to make sure that's not what it is?). You
could try a bit of fish or salmon oil...just make certain it isn't enhanced
with soy. You aren't using any other supplements, are you?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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11a. GI Normous Dogs
Posted by: "PK Shader" Forloveofdogs@gmail.com forloveofdogs
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:26 pm ((PST))

I posted this on raw chat and thought I should post here as well.

I have been feeding my pack raw for about 2 years now and I have
encountered a problem about which I am stumped. They all receive a
good variety of meats and bones and organs. Venison, lamb, turkey,
chicken, beef, squirrel and all the chipmunks and rabbits, mice and
voles they can
catch and consume.

The rest of my pack of 5 look great, fit and healthy. But two of my
pack a 12 year old Puddin JRT (in tact) and a 6 year old Stumpy Tailed
Cattle dog (neutered) have grown to GI Normous proportions! The JRT
looks as if she will give birth to 9 puppies any day now and the
Cattle dog looks as if she has already eaten them.

I measure and weigh everything and Nan (JRT) is down to 2 ozs. a day
and yet her weight does not budge. I HAVE to be doing something
wrong. The 10 year, old, little neutered JRT(9lbs) who is half Nan's
size gets 5 oz (the same amount as the Cattle dog) a day and looks great.

None have been vaccinated for years and Nan's blood has been sent to
Dodds and checked out OK.

Help!

PK Shader CSATSLL1, ABMA, ABS, AWA, CSATS Mentor
For Love of Dogs Canine/Human Relations Learning Center LLC
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11b. Re: GI Normous Dogs
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:11 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "PK Shader" <Forloveofdogs@...>
wrote:
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> The JRT
> looks as if she will give birth to 9 puppies any day now and the
> Cattle dog looks as if she has already eaten them.

Assuming thyroid is ok, its a very simple situation. Anytime
calories in is greater then calories out, animal gains weight. No
way to stop that. The good news is the opposite is also new.
Calories in is less than calories out, animal loses weight.

Nothing mysterious about it. Nothing secret. No magic cure. Feed
the dogs fewer calories or exercise the dogs more or even better, do
both.

> I measure and weigh everything and Nan (JRT) is down to 2 ozs.
> a day and yet her weight does not budge.

Volume is important but just as important is meal content. Feed low
calorie foods. I THINK in general that means less fat, more
protein. I'm sure someone can clarify that.

I think in this case, more exercise is a must. A lot more. By
exercise I don't mean a walk around the block. I mean LONG walks
and rigorious exercise like chasing balls and other actvities that
include running. Of course you will have to take into account the
older one's age. The younger one can't get too much exercise. If
you can cause him to run for 2 hours a day, that would be ideal.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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12a. Re: Need a logical response
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:26 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Caitlin <caitlin@...> wrote:
sat IN the bowl, and proceeded to eat ALL 6 cups in
> the bowl, and when she tried to jump out of the bowl, she knocked the
> barricade over with her big fat belly and made a whole lot of racket
and
> then laid at the bottom of the stairs belly up (no, not dead...
that's
> how she sleeps!) with all feet in the air for the next day or two.

Hi Caitlin:

I got a real grin from your description of the aftereffects of a Pom
eating 6 cups of doom nuggets:) I am glad to know that others have had
the problem of dogs snarfing too much/too big and have gotten by it.

Dianne M.

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12b. Re: Need a logical response
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:33 pm ((PST))

Thank you, Michael. I was too scared not to keep trying. You just do
what you have to...

Dianne M.
"jmwise80" <jmwise80@...> wrote:
>
> If anything like that ever happens to dogs, family, friends, or
> strangers I hope I can keep composure and take care of the situation

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12c. Re: Need a logical response
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:39 pm ((PST))

You are so right, Shelly. I guess I found out the hard way how
important it is to supervise mealtimes. In the 7 months or so I've
been rawfeeding, I would leave the dogs alone for some short periods of
time while I did this or that, just checking in on them, particularly
when they were eating a boney meal. Nevermore. I stick to them like
glue now.

Dianne M.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Shelly <stuartjlittle@...> wrote:

We still hand the other two their big
> chunks, they're good chewers and we don't worry about them (although
NO ONE
> eats unsupervised anymore, if he hadn't been watching, Trixie would
be dead).

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13a. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:11 pm ((PST))

> And I asked the guy that waited on me if they could save me some
tripe and
> he said that he (I'm assuming that he meant the butcher) doesn't like
> cutting it up b/c the tripe is so heavy that he cuts out the whole
thing and
> just throws it away. Is that just a lazy way out, any argument that
I can
> make to them to save me some tripe?
>

I'd tell him I'd ttake the whole thing and could cut it up myself.
You could then arrange to pick it up the day they remove it from the
animal.

Just a thought.

Kathy in MO
Angel - Black Lab Holly - mini mix breed
Oreo & turquoise - cats

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14. New here & ready to start
Posted by: "Jean" iambjl246@yahoo.com iambjl246
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:36 pm ((PST))

I am new to this site & to raw feeding!I have a maltese that is 12 yrs
old. She has had skin problems for years & now she is chewing her front
paws almost to bleeding.Vets just give steroids or another kind of
pill that covers the problem!I heard of raw feeding and now am ready to
try it! Do I just start by giving her raw chicken or turkey? She has
very few teeth left, But still loves to chew bones. Thanks for any
help. Jean

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15. gassy pup
Posted by: "Amy T" amypatriciatracy@gmail.com rosiesmomlovesrosie
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:36 pm ((PST))

For the past couple of days Rosie has had some bad "A" gas. Poops are
normal, eating and everything else is normal. However, she's cleared
the room a number of times and last night my bed was engulfed (it's
bad, kids). My roommate thinks something has crawled into her
intestines and died. She's doing excellent on raw, it's week four, but
the gas comes and goes and sometimes it's fierce and prolonged. She
didn't have gas on the doom nuggets. Is this something I should be
worried about ... aside from our own mental well being? Is it a
just "ride it out" kind of problem?
Amy (and Rosie-the-poofter)

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