[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12421

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
From: homesforallpets
1b. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
From: homesforallpets

2a. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
From: homesforallpets

3a. Re: Advice on diahrrea?
From: Andrea

4a. Re: Re-introduce proteins after hiatus??
From: Andrea

5a. Re: New to this - what do you think?
From: Andrea
5b. Re: New to this - what do you think?
From: Darjeelingirl
5c. Re: New to this - what do you think?
From: Sandee Lee

6a. Re: vomit after feeding pork
From: Andrea

7a. cooked leftovers
From: Andrea

8a. Re: dehydrated raw
From: Peggy Parker
8b. Re: dehydrated raw
From: ginny wilken

9a. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
From: Andrea
9b. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
From: becky brooks

10a. Re: Staffordshire bull
From: costrowski75
10b. Re: Staffordshire bull
From: A. L. W.

11a. {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
From: Brandi Bryant
11b. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
From: Andrea
11c. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
From: Tina Berry
11d. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
From: mozookpr

12a. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
From: homesforallpets

13a. I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
From: Nayelli Di Spalatro
13b. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
From: Andrea
13c. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
From: nayellidispalatro

14a. Re: my dog hates venison!
From: johnsonkp200

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1a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:31 am ((PST))

>
> ALL she needs for the first couple of weeks is chicken. Don't
worry
> about anything else unless its a real good deal on sale the freeze
> it for a couple of weeks.

The majority of what I got was chicken. I guess yeah for me!

> Food is just a trip to the grocery store away. You can buy enough
> chicken to get by a few days for just a few dollars.

Yes but I never have money past payday. Saddly we are forced to live
check to check. After all our living expenses were tended to I was
only able to get 3 packs of chicken wings, then got some livers,
hearts and gizzards on an awsome sale, and some salmon for both her
and us. I know we're nuts right? Having dogs and having to live so
tightly budgeted? Please remember not all of us bring home $8.00
plus and hour.

> Toss the kibble. You can always make a trip to the grocery store
> for a little chicken if need be.

Am I supposed to steal it?

> Don't worry about variety in the first couple of months. Just
> gradually add new meats as you go along.

Ok.

I know you mean well but in my posistion I feel having a well stocked
freezer is best before I begin so I am not jumping back and forth raw
to kibble and back again. Thank you.

Kathy in MO
Angel - Black Lab
Holly - Mini Schnauzer

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1b. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:28 am ((PST))

> Kathy
> If you have a super wal-mart close buy you can get 10 lb
> bag of chicken quarters for .47 per lb. And beef
> kidney for 1.14, chicken gizzards for 1.24,canned
> jack macrel .92 per can.I also shop other
> supermarket sales for beef hart and ground beef.
> With 2 mastiffs at 200lbs it could get expenseve
> at 3 lbs per dog per day.If you need any additional info
> let me know.
> Pete
>

Pete,

I looked for the cheapest meat options they had, but they were low on
a lot of stuff and many things were out! I got what I could. Plus I
was shoved a lot by rude last minute shoppers. I was not last minute
shopping it just happened to be payday. Ug. I get my SSI on Monday
and after paying rent and the few bills that are left I will go back
for more stuff. I will look hard for the chicken quarters you
mentioned. Canned mackerel would be cooked wouldn't it?

I have never seen Beef Kidney in the store anywhere but will look
specifically for it now.

Thanks!

Kathy in MO
Angel - Black Lab Holly - Mini Schnauzer x Rat Terrier
Oreo & Turquoise - cats

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2a. Re: Have dog and raise rabbits = happy dog?
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:31 am ((PST))

> I don't know where exactly in MO you are at, but a while back I
stumbled across this site that has tripe, lung, liver, spleen, etc.,
at decent prices:
>
> http://www.milestonefarms.com/index.html
>
> Have no clue if they ship or not, but I believe they are located
somewhere near KC.
>
>
> HEIDI MARIE

Thanks! I have writen to them to see how far they are. I have also
bookmarked the page!

Kathy in MO
Angel - black lab
Holly - mini schnauzer x rat terrier

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3a. Re: Advice on diahrrea?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:48 am ((PST))

Generally it is easier to switch a dog when you use only one protein at
a time, so if you can get some other chicken parts to go with the backs
you should be ok. Wait a couple of weeks before adding in the beef and
when you do add it, do it a little bit at a time. Hope that helps.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Carrin" <mntgrl_2000@...> wrote:

> He has been getting chicken backs and beef cheeks. Is this a normal
> stage, or should I try just sticking to one protein source for a
> while? If so, which one would be best (we have a huge bulk of backs
> and cheeks)?

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4a. Re: Re-introduce proteins after hiatus??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:53 am ((PST))

It sounds like their stomachs were just overcome with the fatty pork
after eating something lean like venison for a good long time. If
Deke's stomach is still gurgling today you may want to skip his food
today to let it settle down. I don't think you'll need to spend days
reintroducing pork to him, but be a little gentle since he hasn't had
fatty stuff in a while.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Heidi" <troopob@...> wrote:

> I was lucky enough to get a couple coolers full of venison and lamb
> over Thanksgiving from my mom. After I fed through that, I went
> back to chicken and pork. Holy white watery squirts, Buttman!!

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5a. Re: New to this - what do you think?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:12 am ((PST))

> The other day I bought a bunch of chicken legs, pork feet, pork
> shoulders, turkey giblets, beef liver, and beef cuts of some kind,
> and some beef bones with meat on them at the local corner grocery.

Most of these are great foodstuffs for down the line, but you want to
take it a little slowly with variety at first. Pups generally
tolerate variety quickly but you still don't want to overdo it. Pork
feet, liver, and beef should be stowed for later feeding. I'd get
started with chicken and then once you know he's good with that add
in the turkey and then the pork. Give it a day or two between new
foods to make sure his stomach is keeping up and if you end up with
loose stools just go back one step.

> Some of the items were marked "beef bone - for dogs" etc.

Any time I see something labeled "for dogs" it is almost always not
really appropriate for them. These beef bones are super dense and
can damage adult dogs' teeth, this is why we refer to them as wreck
bones. No more of these in the future for the pupster.

> I know I need to vary the types of meat and include bone. Is there
> anything GREATLY amiss here?

You don't need to worry too much about a huge variety from the
beginning. You have plenty of time to work in new food sources, so
don't get too excited or your pup's stomach will pay the price. In
general the stuff you found is pretty good.

> On the other hand, after 10 and 5 years respectively on kibble, the
> cats think I'm off my rocker - or messing with them.

Yes, cats really imprint on a food and it is hard to change their
minds about it. But with cats you have to be more sneaky and patient
than dogs. You can't just withold food from a cat until they give
in, especially if the cat is overweight in the first place. Let the
cats eat whatever they will and then find ways to sneak the real food
in there from time to time. Eventually you'll get them switched over
but it might take some time. It took us ages to get our cats eating
chunks of raw foods and even longer before they would work on whole
foods. You just have to go at cat speed.

Andrea

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5b. Re: New to this - what do you think?
Posted by: "Darjeelingirl" darjeelingirl@comcast.net zoookeeeper
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:45 am ((PST))

>>>First and most importantly...FEED YOUR CATS!!! Sorry to shout, but this
is
so important.

Well, yes, this is why I asked for input. I certainly don't want to harm or
bully them - that isn't my intention at all. They last saw kibble on
Sunday and thankfully they were nibbling on the beef liver and someone was
gnawing on the chicken leg last night that I left out for them (Tuesday pm).
So that was just a little more than a day that they didn't eat. This
morning I bought some ground beef and tuna. The tuna was a big hit so I
mixed it with the ground beef, small pieces of cut up liver, and some egg.
Snickers prefers only tuna and wouldn't eat the mix but what I read in the
files this morning says that I can't just feed her tuna all the time.
Cuthbert showed that he will pretty much eat anything with tuna mixed in it.
Snickers never overeats. Cuthbert always does - of course he barfed half of
it up an hour later, even though he had only about 2 oz max. I think we'll
have some adjusting to do after being used to the expanding kibble. So, we
shall forge ahead as I learn what to feed them and how much, etc. etc. At
least Sherlock makes us a team - he was right there, cleaning up after
Cuthbert like a wet/dry vac!

Patsy

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5c. Re: New to this - what do you think?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:10 am ((PST))

Hi Patsy,

Glad to hear they are eating something. One thing you can do is sprinkle
some crushed up kibble on top of the food. Cats can be hard but there are
some really experienced folks on the rawcat list who know all the tricks!
:) Might be worthwhile joining......

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat/

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Darjeelingirl" <darjeelingirl@comcast.net>
>
The tuna was a big hit so I
> mixed it with the ground beef, small pieces of cut up liver, and some egg.
> Snickers prefers only tuna and wouldn't eat the mix but what I read in
the
> files this morning says that I can't just feed her tuna all the time.
> Cuthbert showed that he will pretty much eat anything with tuna mixed in
it.
> Snickers never overeats. Cuthbert always does - of course he barfed half
of
> it up an hour later, even though he had only about 2 oz max. I think we'll
> have some adjusting to do after being used to the expanding kibble. So,
we
> shall forge ahead as I learn what to feed them and how much, etc. etc.

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6a. Re: vomit after feeding pork
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:18 am ((PST))

Bile vomit usually means the dog is expecting a meal that did not come
on time. If these vomits did come before a regularly scheduled meal
you might look into randomizing the feeding pattern so he doesn't have
a set mealtime in his head. You'll have to deal with the bile vomit
for a couple of days while he adjusts but after that you won't have to
worry about getting home on time to feed him ever again.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@...>
wrote:

> he threw up what appeared to be mostly bile (yesterday it was yellow
> and looked like egg yolk, not sure about today as I didn't witness
> it).

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7a. cooked leftovers
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:21 am ((PST))

We use cooked leftovers as treats for the dogs around here, but always
in small amounts. Don't use the cooked pork to replace a real meal,
and don't give *any* cooked bones.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sheila" <schatzee@...> wrote:
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> We've been doing raw about 3 weeks now, mainly chicken and pork, we
had a pig roast in may and have some cooked pork in the freezer - would
it be o.k. to give them that?

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8a. Re: dehydrated raw
Posted by: "Peggy Parker" peggyparker_4@yahoo.com peggyparker_4
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:24 am ((PST))

thanks for letting me know your experience. Anytime anything has ever gone wrong with my dogs, I always check the food first. The breeder sent a cow hoof home with my TFT, and if that doesn't clean the teeth, I don't know what will, although I do have some concern
that he might clip a tooth.
Peggy

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8b. Re: dehydrated raw
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:57 am ((PST))

On Dec 26, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Peggy Parker wrote:

> thanks for letting me know your experience. Anytime anything has
> ever gone wrong with my dogs, I always check the food first. The
> breeder sent a cow hoof home with my TFT, and if that doesn't clean
> the teeth, I don't know what will, although I do have some concern
> that he might clip a tooth.
> Peggy
>

Raw hooves are generally OK, but the dried ones are accidents waiting
to happen. A big, complicated meal is well within the abilities of
your little terrier, and will do much better at cleaning all the
surfaces.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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9a. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:25 am ((PST))

Start with 2-3% of the ideal adult weight and go from there. She'll
probably lose the pudge after you get her off the doom nuggets on her
own. If she keeps the pudge after a couple of weeks back down the
amount of food. Easy peasy.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Becky Brooks (Marsh)"
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> She is overweight right now, but she's still a puppy, so should I
> stick with 2 percent of her ideal adult weight? Or more since she's
> a puppy? Or less since she's fat???

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9b. Re: another question about our new Great Dane puppy
Posted by: "becky brooks" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:54 am ((PST))

EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.

Thanks to all who have replied to my questions about our new Dane puppy. I will take your advice!
becky

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10a. Re: Staffordshire bull
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:44 am ((PST))

"Yenna" <fifofifo51@...> wrote:
> He's a 30Lbs dog, how much should I feed him? 1Lb, 2Lb, once a day,
> twice a day? any feedback welcome.
*****
Feed twice a day to start; feed between 2% and 3% of his ideal adult
weight and expect to adjust, adjust, adjust as his progress or lack
of progress dictates.

If 30lb is his ideal adult weight, you're looking at feeding a
generous half pound a day to a scant pound. If his ideal adult
weight is likely to be 50lb, you can feed as little as a pound a day
to as much much as one and one-half pounds. In all cases what the
scale says is less relevant than what the dog's appearance and
performance say. Always use your dog as the best guide to your dog.

There are thousands of messages in the archives that address (over
and over and over again) the business of starting a raw diet.
--how to feed
--what to feed
--what not to feed
--why
--when to feed
--where to feed
--why your dog won't eat
--what to do when your dog won't eat
--how much bone
--what kind of bone
--what kind of meat
--what kind of organs
--what's organ meat
--what to do for loose stools
--what's the difference between loose stools and diarrhea
--what is yellow vomit
--why is yellow vomit
And much much more.

If you are not a member of Yahoogroups, please join so you can access
the Rawfeeding archives. (Instructions for doing so are at the
bottom of each Rawfeeding email you recieve.) Probably everything
that everyone here knows about feeding raw is there. Also visit

http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net
http://www.rawlearning.com

Chris O

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10b. Re: Staffordshire bull
Posted by: "A. L. W." chenneoue@yahoo.com chenneoue
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:03 am ((PST))

The recommendation is generally 2-3% of body weight. So at 3% that
will be less then a pound a day. I would imagine you could do once or
twice a day. Your choice, depending on what's more convenient.

Good Luck!
Amanda

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Yenna" <fifofifo51@...> wrote:
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> Hi, all the best for the year 2008.
> We just got a staffie from the refuge, he's a 1 year old neutered
male.
> I made some research on the net and found the "raw diet" forum, I
fell
> in love with the idea, it makes so much sense.
> He's a 30Lbs dog, how much should I feed him? 1Lb, 2Lb, once a day,
> twice a day? any feedback welcome.
>
> Cheers
> Yenna
>

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11a. {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:52 am ((PST))

Ok - I went to our slaughter house Saturday and they loaded me up with a
full bag of liver etc, and 2 boxes full of bones that have the good stuff on
it - like bone marrow inside and the sinew on it - the dogs have a good time
getting the good "stuff" off of it. Should I pick them up after they've
cleaned it to the actual bone?

Next question I got 5 beef hearts - and they're pretty good size and I
figure that I'd give all of my dogs the whole heart. Since this is the
first time for beef heart for them, should I also feed them chicken or turky
or pork with it so they won't get upset tummies over a new meat/muscle?

And I asked the guy that waited on me if they could save me some tripe and
he said that he (I'm assuming that he meant the butcher) doesn't like
cutting it up b/c the tripe is so heavy that he cuts out the whole thing and
just throws it away. Is that just a lazy way out, any argument that I can
make to them to save me some tripe?

Thanks again,
--
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

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11b. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:30 am ((PST))

> 2 boxes full of bones that have the good stuff on it - like bone
> marrow inside and the sinew on it - the dogs have a good time
> getting the good "stuff" off of it. Should I pick them up after
> they've cleaned it to the actual bone?

I'm no fan of bare-ish bones, but if your dogs clean the sinew and
such off before tackling the bone you can just take the bone away
once it has been cleaned.

> should I also feed them chicken or turky or pork with it so they
> won't get upset tummies over a new meat/muscle?

Heart is a pretty "rich" meat that can cause loose stools when first
introduced so I'd give a hunk of heart with a bonier piece at first.
My boys absolutely love heart, hopefully your pups will too.

> he (I'm assuming that he meant the butcher) doesn't like cutting it
> up b/c the tripe is so heavy that he cuts out the whole thing and
> just throws it away.

You could ask if they will let you have the whole thing, since they
toss it anyway. There is a bunch of red tape involved when trying to
get green tripe from a butcher, though. IMO it isn't really worth
the effort to try and convince a butcher to give it to me.

Andrea

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11c. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:37 am ((PST))

"And I asked the guy that waited on me if they could save me some tripe and
he said that he (I'm assuming that he meant the butcher) doesn't like
cutting it up b/c the tripe is so heavy that he cuts out the whole thing and
just throws it away. Is that just a lazy way out, any argument that I can
make to them to save me some tripe?"

Most butchers don't like to deal with tripe has been my experience - it's
big, smelly, and they don't like it. Atleast the butchers I've tried to get
to save it for me.

On the bones, if they are leg bones (teeth breakers) I pick them up when the
meat is gone and I don't let them try to break them open to get the marrow.
All other bones mine consume.

On the beef heart, if you have not fed it before it can be rich - it is
considered a muscle meat and can be fed as whole meals, but I would not give
them a whole one their first time - introduce any new meat source slowly
unless you want the after effects ;-)
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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11d. Re: {raw feeding} Beef hearts - new protein for my dogs
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:57 am ((PST))

Don't know much about the rest of your questions, as most of the
grocers here get their meat ready to sell, but please use restraint
in your initial offerings of beef heart, for your own sake! Foxy
LOOOVES it (no way am I giving any to Sophie yet, she has only just
graduated to pork). However, it is one thing I have offered so far
that, if eaten solo, gives him HORRIBLE cannon butt, meaning I may
get little surprises by the door in the morning if he doesn't also
get a nice drumstick or chicken back with it. These poops are also
dark enough to be scary if you aren't expecting them.

It's good food, but I would offer it sparingly at first, and I would
definitely make sure the rest of the meal is bland, with adequate
bone until they are well-adapted to such rich food. YMMV, of course,
but this is working for me so far. I have heard cubed heart makes
good training treats, too, and I want to get a food dehydrator for
that purpose.

Good luck with the heart. Dogs do like it, just go slowly.

Cheers,

Wendy

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12a. Re: Couldn't help ourselves. . .walmart puppy
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:28 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Debi C" <dcole6@...> wrote:
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> EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.
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> Kathy you are a doggie angel indeed. That should be a wonderful mix
> breed, both those breeds are highly intelligent and very active.

I'm beginning to see that :) However she seems to be anti-cat. I'm
using a water sqirter to try to train her not to chase, bite, etc. So
far no good. She also tries to dominate my kids. I joinedd a group
for those issues though.

>
> I've found my Jack Russells take more food than the math allows.
> They are very active and run the fat off so they look like two little
> racehorses. All muscle and bone with very little fat. My shorty
> looks like a little Arnold Schwartzenegger. I feed big (lots at a
> time) and they pace themselves well. I'd suggest about a pound a day
> to start with and see what the pup needs and wants.
>

Wow, I'll work up slowly. I don't want problems to be caused by too
much too soon. But I deffinitely see her needing more than an
inactive dog.

Kathy in MO
Angel - Black Lab Holly - Mini Schnauzer x Rat Terrier
Oreo & Turquoise - cats

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13a. I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
Posted by: "Nayelli Di Spalatro" nayellidispalatro@yahoo.com nayellidispalatro
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:21 am ((PST))

Hello all,

I am new in this group and I am desperate looking for
help.

I have a 4 year old Great Dane that is been eating for
about 1 year just pasta and cooked meat, unfortunately
she is starting to loose weight very fast.

She always had problems with her digestion, she never
is fine for more than 2 weeks, even with this diet,
and I am afraid at this point she is undernourished.

When she was a puppy I fed her with cooked chicken and
rice, and she was not able to keep the food down so
the vet said that probably she was allergic to chicken
(he never made any test), so I stop feeding her like
that.

Later on, I tried raw food and I got really scared
because she swallowed the complete bone and then
vomiting complete it too, so I change the food again.

This has been the story of her life, I am ready to
change into raw food but I have a lot of questions
before, I hope you can help:

1. Should I get rid of the pasta and switch right
away? (I now if I do it gradually is going to be the
same, every change is an impact for her)
2. Should I tried turkey or ground beef and just that,
no fruit, no veggies not nothing? If I do the ground
beef where I can get the bones that she needs?
3. What can I do to help her with the bones, can I
crush them?
4. Does apple cider help?, I read that you can soak
the bones.
5. Also, I read about pumpkin for firm stools, if so,
should I start giving the raw pumpkin now, or should I
keep it simple.
6. Where can I find the turkey bones? can I buy it at
Walmart? I live in New York city and it is really
expensive to buy in the regular butcher.
7. Have you ever heard about Nature's Variety Raw Food
Diets, they have a venison raw frozen food that looks
great, and because I am afraid to not feed her enough
(as now), I would like to know if it is good, do you
recommend that kind of food?

I am really sorry but all this questions but I feel
really bad and I want to fix my mistake as soon as
possible.

Thank you very much for you help.

Nayelli

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13b. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:42 am ((PST))

Hi, Nayelli, welcome to the group! I'm sure we'll be able to get
your girl's problems ironed out with everyone helping.

> 1. Should I get rid of the pasta and switch right away?

Absolutely switch right away. The poor girl is probably starving for
all the good nutrition that a raw diet can offer her. Know that
there is a possibility of loose stools during the change, but if you
take it easy and don't let it scare you she'll adjust just fine.

> 2. Should I tried turkey or ground beef and just that, no fruit, no
> veggies not nothing?

Don't start with ground, start with whole foods. It is unlikely she
is allergic to raw chicken so it would be easiest to start with whole
chickens. If you don't want to make that leap yet you can get a
whole turkey and ask the butcher to cut it into quarters for you. No
veggies or fruits are needed.

> 3. What can I do to help her with the bones, can I crush them?

She'll handle them on her own. I know it is scary but you need to
believe that she can do it. Feed her big foods that she needs to rip
tear and crunch into. Don't feed bite sized pieces that she will be
tempted to swallow whole.

> 4. Does apple cider help?, I read that you can soak the bones.

No need to soak bones, they are plenty soft in their raw state.

> 5. Also, I read about pumpkin for firm stools,

Pumpkin acts as a band aid for the real problem. It's best to let
the loose stools be if you encounter them and adjust the diet so they
don't return.

> 6. Where can I find the turkey bones? can I buy it at Walmart? I
> live in New York city and it is really expensive to buy in the
> regular butcher.

Get whole turkeys so you don't have to try and buy bones. Check with
independant groceries to see if they will purchase bulk items for
you. Hopefully some of the New Yorkers on the list can help you find
good sources.

> 7. Have you ever heard about Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets,

Prefabricated foods have lots of unnecessary ingredients in them, are
ground, and are extremely expensive. Since your girl already has
proven to have a sensitive stomach I suggest you stick with whole
food items. I know that ground food sounds like the answer for a dog
who wants to gulp their food but it is the opposite of what you
want. Feed big so she has to work for her food.

> I am really sorry but all this questions but I feel really bad and
> I want to fix my mistake as soon as possible.

Don't be sorry for the questions, we were all new once. It's great
that you are willing to admit past mistakes and change things to make
it better. Ask as many questions as you need.

Andrea

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13c. Re: I need help, Great Dane with just pasta and cooked meat!
Posted by: "nayellidispalatro" nayellidispalatro@yahoo.com nayellidispalatro
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:18 am ((PST))

Thank you very much Andrea, you do not know how bad I feel now knowing that I was
completely wrong, she is my beautiful baby and I feel ashamed of what I have been doing
to her.

I am going to be back on January 2nd, she is with a pet sitter, I read that is a good option
to let her fast for a day and then start with the raw food, should I ask him not to feed her
the last day, so when I come back I start with the raw?

So, let me see if I understood, I go, buy the whole turkey, ask the butcher to cut it in
parts, take out the skin and give it to her? how much, she is more or less 100 pounds.

Also, do you think is a good idea to give her some kind of vitamins because she was not
getting enough? or the raw diet is going to be enough?

How can I make it more tasteful, I know her and I am sure that she is going to look at me
and ask "what is this?"

I feel that this is a little bit a lot of people is been searching for months, and I just make
the decision last night, I really do not want to make any mistake, I am really afraid.

Thank you very much again, I am going to keep asking to all of you.

Nayelli

I read also that it will be good to
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Nayelli, welcome to the group! I'm sure we'll be able to get
> your girl's problems ironed out with everyone helping.
>
> > 1. Should I get rid of the pasta and switch right away?
>
> Absolutely switch right away. The poor girl is probably starving for
> all the good nutrition that a raw diet can offer her. Know that
> there is a possibility of loose stools during the change, but if you
> take it easy and don't let it scare you she'll adjust just fine.
>
> > 2. Should I tried turkey or ground beef and just that, no fruit, no
> > veggies not nothing?
>
> Don't start with ground, start with whole foods. It is unlikely she
> is allergic to raw chicken so it would be easiest to start with whole
> chickens. If you don't want to make that leap yet you can get a
> whole turkey and ask the butcher to cut it into quarters for you. No
> veggies or fruits are needed.
>
> > 3. What can I do to help her with the bones, can I crush them?
>
> She'll handle them on her own. I know it is scary but you need to
> believe that she can do it. Feed her big foods that she needs to rip
> tear and crunch into. Don't feed bite sized pieces that she will be
> tempted to swallow whole.
>
> > 4. Does apple cider help?, I read that you can soak the bones.
>
> No need to soak bones, they are plenty soft in their raw state.
>
> > 5. Also, I read about pumpkin for firm stools,
>
> Pumpkin acts as a band aid for the real problem. It's best to let
> the loose stools be if you encounter them and adjust the diet so they
> don't return.
>
> > 6. Where can I find the turkey bones? can I buy it at Walmart? I
> > live in New York city and it is really expensive to buy in the
> > regular butcher.
>
> Get whole turkeys so you don't have to try and buy bones. Check with
> independant groceries to see if they will purchase bulk items for
> you. Hopefully some of the New Yorkers on the list can help you find
> good sources.
>
> > 7. Have you ever heard about Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets,
>
> Prefabricated foods have lots of unnecessary ingredients in them, are
> ground, and are extremely expensive. Since your girl already has
> proven to have a sensitive stomach I suggest you stick with whole
> food items. I know that ground food sounds like the answer for a dog
> who wants to gulp their food but it is the opposite of what you
> want. Feed big so she has to work for her food.
>
> > I am really sorry but all this questions but I feel really bad and
> > I want to fix my mistake as soon as possible.
>
> Don't be sorry for the questions, we were all new once. It's great
> that you are willing to admit past mistakes and change things to make
> it better. Ask as many questions as you need.
>
> Andrea
>

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14a. Re: my dog hates venison!
Posted by: "johnsonkp200" sunfiretervs@comcast.net johnsonkp200
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:21 am ((PST))

Thanks for suggestions, but so far none have worked. Last night I
seared a couple chunks and sprinkled on a little garlic salt. He ate a
little, but not all which was not even one meal's worth. Will try
putting some real butter in the pan tonight and sear another chunk. I
want him to like venison - I have 2 rib sections and two very meaty
necks waiting, and can likely get more each fall.

New question: How long can I keep offering it now that it is thawed and
in refrig? It has already been thawed about a week.

Karen

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