[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12423

There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: New here & ready to start
From: Sandee Lee
1b. Re: New here & ready to start
From: Jean
1c. Re: New here & ready to start
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
From: h h

3a. Re: my dog hates venison!
From: Heather

4a. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: costrowski75
4b. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: Susan Fortune
4c. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: Erika
4d. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: marge
4e. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
From: Loraine Jesse

5a. Re: gassy pup
From: Giselle
5b. Re: gassy pup
From: johnsonkp200
5c. Re: gassy pup
From: Laurie Swanson

6a. barfing up pieces of bone
From: angiecreed55
6b. Re: barfing up pieces of bone
From: cypressbunny

7a. No idea how to start...
From: Jacy Brooke
7b. Re: No idea how to start...
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: GI Normous Dogs
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
8b. Re: GI Normous Dogs
From: Ania Tysarczyk

9a. Re: Newbie to raw
From: Shirley

10a. Anal gland problems
From: Heather
10b. Re: Anal gland problems
From: Laurie Swanson

11. Update on Ginger (diarrhea)
From: kkellogg22004

12. Looking to switch, but worried about Chicken protein sensitivity
From: ekendahl

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1a. Re: New here & ready to start
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:45 pm ((PST))

Hi Jean,

Yes, either chicken or turkey would be a good place to begin. I probably
would recommend bone-in chicken breasts since she has few teeth and they are
quite easily eaten and digested by most dogs. As she is already dealing
with skin issues, I would make certain the chicken isn't enhanced. A lot of
the frozen parts are...you might be able to find some fresh in the meat
dept. Or buy a whole chicken and cut it up yourself.

You might want to add some fish or salmon oil for it's anti-inflammatory
properties...just make certain it doesn't contain soy.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Jean" <iambjl246@yahoo.com>

I am new to this site & to raw feeding!I have a maltese that is 12 yrs
old. She has had skin problems for years & now she is chewing her front
paws almost to bleeding.Vets just give steroids or another kind of
pill that covers the problem!I heard of raw feeding and now am ready to
try it! Do I just start by giving her raw chicken or turkey? She has
very few teeth left, But still loves to chew bones. Thanks for any
help. Jean

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1b. Re: New here & ready to start
Posted by: "Jean" iambjl246@yahoo.com iambjl246
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:05 pm ((PST))

Ok that sound easy enough! The fish/salmon oil, do I find that in the
drug store or pet store? Or does it mater? Thank you,Jean

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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1c. Re: New here & ready to start
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:15 pm ((PST))

Walmart, Costco, just about any place that sells vitamins/supplements.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Jean" <iambjl246@yahoo.com>

Ok that sound easy enough! The fish/salmon oil, do I find that in the
drug store or pet store? Or does it mater? Thank you,Jean

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2a. Re: First time shopping for raw - -wishme luck
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:03 pm ((PST))

Ug. I get my SSI on Monday
and after paying rent and the few bills that are left I will go back
for more stuff. I will look hard for the chicken quarters you
mentioned. Canned mackerel would be cooked wouldn't it?

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Yes, canned anything is cooked. But, keeping a few cans around to feed in a pinch is no big deal in the great scheme of things. (and would be better than having that kibble around "just in case") I don''t have any canned mackerel on hand myself right now, but I usually have a can around for the cats in case I forget to take something out of the freezer for them in time for it to thaw...if their food is too cold, Misty ends up puking it up.

HEIDI MARIE
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3a. Re: my dog hates venison!
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:03 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> My dog needed little "getting used to flavor" sort of time on Elk
(venison).

I've heard elk tastes more like beef than even buffalo. Elk and
venison (white tailed deer) meat is quite different though. I'm not
sure if you refer to them as the same meat but they are different.
Maybe that's why the elk meat didn't smelly gamey. :) Only 3 people in
my entire family and line of friends can cook deer to where it doesn't
taste horrible. I imagine if a person knows how to season it correctly
it's not bad but plain.. I've heard it's unbearable (and quite smelly
raw). I never had the guts to try it, even in sausage, and now I never
will because I'm a vegetarian!

Heather

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4a. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:37 pm ((PST))

"marge" <marge_moriarty17551@...> wrote:
I still haven't purchased a scale so I am
> eyeballing the amount.
*****
This is oksy. You don't need a scale.

They usually get a part of a chicken back in
> the am and just meat in pm. I am slowly backing off the amount of
> bone and increasing the meat even in the morning. They seem to
need
> the bone to keep stools normal. Will begin adding organ soon.
*****
Normal stools are stools that appropriately reflect the food that
preceded them. I suspect by "normal" you mean stools that look all
tidy like kibble poop looks. Well, that's not normal. Kibble poop
looks like that not because the food is so darn bio-available and
healthy, but because of binders like tomato pomace and beet pulp and
bran that hold the dog-awful mess together.

If you get accustomed to "normal" stools as produced by a regular
supply of bony meals, your knickers will surely twist the first time
you change your feeding habits. When you add organ meat unless you
do it in dribs and drabs, you will see darker and looser stools and
no, they are not wrong, and yes, they are normal. For the good of
your dog, start thinking right now about "normal" being appropriate
to the meal.

When you feed a big old bony meal and your dog has the squirts,
that's not normal. When you feed a new food and/or too much of
anything and your dog has loose puddling stools, that's pretty
normal. Unpleasant and not necessarily something you want to produce
(although to ease the result of too much bone you may indeed want to
produce some loose stools!) but normal in the range of what's normal.

> Now, about the teeth issue: My guys teeth were pretty much covered
> in plaque with moderately bad breath. Tonight I had my first
> appointment with a new vet (with Foxy)...I confess, I chickened
> out...could not tell her I raw feed.
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I think holding back that bit of truth is not a bad idea until you
can comfortably defend your decision.

Do dog's teeth actually
> improve...does raw feeding and the bones break up the plaque.
*****
Oh gosh yes.
You have just started. The crap didn't accumulate overnight and it's
not likely to disappear overnight. It will diminish and the more you
allow your dog to use its teeth, the faster the crap will go away.
What removes tartar and plaque is abrasive action. Whether the
abrasion is from dental tools, a toothbrush or meaty bones, abrasion
is the ticket. I'd pasadena on the teeth cleaning UNLESS your dog
has some serious problems that need to be addressed right here right
now. If it's "just" cosmetic, I'd say give a good diet time to work.
Chris O

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4b. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "Susan Fortune" desperatelyseekingsusan@cox.net cactususan
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:38 pm ((PST))

I went raw with my 4 dogs when I got a price quote of $400 to clean my
13 year-old, 9# Min Pin's teeth--not to mention the risk of anesthesia. He has an enlarged heart & the anesthesia would be iffy.

He's already had 8 extractions (about 3 years ago) due to extreme tartar-- caused by a combination of his mouth chemistry & kibble. Rudy's mouth STUNK like a toxic waste dump. His teeth & gums were in very bad shape.

Two months after starting raw, ALL the dogs have clean teeth, sweet breath (who knew?), and they relish their food. This is only the immediate effect of raw food. Who knows what other vet bills I'll avoid?

Susan Fortune
Southern California

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4c. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:20 pm ((PST))

Erika <admin@redangelbordeaux.com> wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:30:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Erika <admin@redangelbordeaux.com>
Subject: Re:Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com

Being in the dental field and also having seen the changes raw can make on the teeth I can see both sides to the dental cleaning questions.

Before I switched my dogs to raw they all had pearley whites but only because they allowed me to brush there teeth with electric toothbrushes ( one does it on her own if you turn on the brush for her, lol ) I also purchased a few scaleres and would scrape the build up off of there teeth myself. I just hated the thought of sedating them just for a "cleaning" since it is always a risk that they might not wake up (yes it does happen, more often than most people realize)

Then along came my imported female 3.5 years old and HORRIBLE teeth. Her mouth looked like that of a 10 year old dog that never saw a chewbone in it's life! Vet said clean those teeth! Well I wanted to work on them a bit myself first to see how we could do. She did have 2 loose front lower teeth and one on top as well. Gums were horrible, red inflamed and would bleed when I gave her bones to chew on. There was some improvement with the kibble diet that I was feeding with chew toys but not enough to foregoe the cleaning :(

So then We switched over to RAW and bam white teeth and the loose ones are all firmed up again! There is still some staining and places where I can see some tartar remaining but it has only been about 2-3 months now so I'm still being patient. The bad breath has gone away which is the most important sign of good dental health. If there breath smells like death it's because there is dead and dying tissues in the mouth! If your guy can handle more boney meals then feed some large complex boney parts once a week or so, this will help to scrape off the tartar faster (I feed boney things with organs to prevent constipation)

In the end you may still need to have a dental done but if you wait and only need a minimal cleaning to get at the stuborn stuff and to make sure there are no cavities or rotten teeth caused by the kibble then by that time your dog should be stronger from the raw feeding and there will be less bacteria present durring the cleaning. This is important because when teeth are cleaned bacteria from the mouth is released directly into the bloodstream where infection is present. A weak animal can become compromised by this bacteria which is why the vet won't do say a cleaning when you have a dog spayed for example.

Sorry so long hope it was an informative ramble, lol!

Happy New Year!
Erika

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4d. Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "marge" marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com marge_moriarty17551
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:39 am ((PST))

> I went raw with my 4 dogs when I got a price quote of $400 to clean
my
> 13 year-old, 9# Min Pin's teeth--not to mention the risk of
anesthesia. He has an enlarged heart & the anesthesia would be iffy.
>
> Susan Fortune
> Southern California

Hi all,

Thank for everyones responses. It feels good to have your support.
I have never been a fan of putting my dogs under to have their teeth
cleaned. I have always had older rescue dogs with garbage
mouths...and have tried to manage it myself. This diet is the first
thing that I feel will really help. It isn't the main reason for
doing it of course...but hopefully it will be a good benefit!

I used to be in the dental field also and I think too much knowledge
can lead to a worried doggie mom! I know what is lurking in those
chompers. I can't wait to see improvement!!!!!!!!!

thanks for the feedback on my feeding habits (not mine, my dogs :) ).
I will continue to back off on bone...increase meat. My one guy,
Foxy, eats so fast...he doesn't know what he is missing...you blink
your eye and his food is gone. I have to put him on a leash until
Pepper is finished!!!!Pepper is still scratching his face quite a
bit, but I understand if this was caused by k***ble that it could
take a few months. We'll see.

To all the newbies out there. Don't overthink this...you will drive
yourself crazy.

Marge

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4e. Re: Third week /question about teeth and raw feeding
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:59 am ((PST))

"To all the newbies out there. Don't overthink this...you will drive yourself crazy. Marge"

Well said Marge, the prey model diet is so simple and healthy for our dogs. Only Humans try to complicate Mother nature.

Loraine Jessewww.rothburgrottweilers.com
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5a. Re: gassy pup
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:05 pm ((PST))

This, too, shall pass. ^_^

Seriously, some dogs get gas, in varyingly intensities when fed raw.
For most dogs it goes away - some dogs get recurrent episodes on certain
proteins, it varies with individual dogs - there's no time table for it to
disappear.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 26, 2007 7:34 PM, Amy T <amypatriciatracy@gmail.com> wrote:

> For the past couple of days Rosie has had some bad "A" gas.
>

> <snip>
>

> Is this something I should be
> worried about ... aside from our own mental well being? Is it a
> just "ride it out" kind of problem?
> Amy (and Rosie-the-poofter)
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> _
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5b. Re: gassy pup
Posted by: "johnsonkp200" sunfiretervs@comcast.net johnsonkp200
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:11 pm ((PST))

>it's week four, but
> the gas comes and goes and sometimes it's fierce and prolonged.

Well what can I say. With my dog it is just the opposite - the fierce
gas has cleared up on raw! Go figure

Karen

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5c. Re: gassy pup
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:40 am ((PST))

Hi Amy,

IME, big, fatty meals can sometimes lead to gas, and it was worse in
the beginning as my dog was adjusting. Also is more likely if I give
my dogs other foods (grains/starches/biscuit treats/cooked meats/etc.
especially--even small amounts) near their raw meat meal.

I know, it can be bad!! :-)

Laurie

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6a. barfing up pieces of bone
Posted by: "angiecreed55" tad151@gmail.com angiecreed55
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:38 pm ((PST))

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I have a 2 year old AmStaff. He's been on the raw diet for about 2 or 3 weeks and for the
most part is doing well. He's eating chicken thighs, turkey (and salmon for Christmas!) and
the occassional liver and kidney bit. When we first started with the chicken thighs he chewed
them up pretty well before swallowing. Now, he seems to bite down a couple of times and
then swallow. The entire thigh goes down in a gulp. Then later, usually in the middle of the
night, he wakes up and vomits a bone bit. I'm tired of getting up and having to clean up his
barf, and I'm sure the poor guy is tired of wretching. If we give him a whole chicken to
munch on we'll have to take it away from him eventually, because he will keep eating until it's
gone. But maybe that's what we should do. I don't think giving smaller bites is the answer.
They'll just go down faster. Any advice?

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6b. Re: barfing up pieces of bone
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:42 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angiecreed55" <tad151@...> wrote:
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> Now, he seems to bite down a couple of times and
> then swallow. The entire thigh goes down in a gulp.

*** Too small portions. Feed things he can't just swallow whole.

> I'm tired of getting up and having to clean up his
> barf, and I'm sure the poor guy is tired of wretching.

*** Does he not eat what he regurgitates? If you are feeding small
items that are easily swallowable, that come back up, chances are,
the dog will re-eat them and leave nothing that needs to be cleaned
up. Unless you have taught him that puke is a bad dog.

> I don't think giving smaller bites is the answer.

*** No, bigger bites is the answer.

--Carrie

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7a. No idea how to start...
Posted by: "Jacy Brooke" jacyc19@yahoo.com jacyc19
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:47 pm ((PST))

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I have a 7mth cockapoo about 10ibs i am clueless how to do this, how
much to give a day and what to give? Can someone help me out.

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7b. Re: No idea how to start...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

"Jacy Brooke" <jacyc19@...> wrote:
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> +++++Mod note: pls sign all emails ++++++++++
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> I have a 7mth cockapoo about 10ibs i am clueless how to do this, how
> much to give a day and what to give? Can someone help me out.
*****
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instructions are at the bottom of every Rawfeeding email you receive)
in order to browse the Rawfeeding message archives. I have no doubt
every initial question you have plus every question you are likely to
have will be answered several times over if you just look.

Also check out:
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http://rawfeddogs.net
http://www.rawlearning.com

Chris O
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8a. Re: GI Normous Dogs
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:47 pm ((PST))

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You said that they eat all the chipmunks rabbits voles and mice they can catch and consume. Well no matter how much you control the intact and dial it back if they keep catching thier own food, they will never lose any weight.
Is there a way you can control the hunting a little bit, or perhaps find out how much they are eating and then you can maybe stop supplimenting the diet altogether, maybe you don't have to feed them, maybe they can fend for themselves, if they are such good hunters.:? Just wondering. Sounds like they are great little carnivores on their own, you should be very proud. But you do need to figure out how much they are consuming by hunting first, then you know how to or how to dial down the food you are feeding them.
You aren't doing anything wrong, I would bet they are supplimenting what you are giving them, they are dogs, and doing what comes natural.:) Good dogs too from what you say.
Jeni

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8b. Re: GI Normous Dogs
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:05 pm ((PST))

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Hi PK,

Great to see you over here. How are you?

I have 2 thoughts. 1) Could they be better hunters than you think
and catching lots of prey on the side? 2) Do they get a lot of fat
in their meals?

Other than that, I am stumped too. Mine are 12 lbs getting 6 oz. a
day and 10 lb getting 8 oz a day. The only other thing I can think
of is if it's just their bellies getting big to check for worms.

Ania and the Jacks

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9a. Re: Newbie to raw
Posted by: "Shirley" ssthunderpony@yahoo.com ssthunderpony
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:48 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Gaye Amick" <northernskychar@...>
wrote:
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> Hello everyone
>
> My ten month old Malinois has been a prescription Venison and
Potato
> Kibble from the vet. for the past six months. Since she has IBD I'm
> wondering instead of starting her out on chicken if I should start
her
> out on venison or buffalo to make the transition easier/better.
>
> Thanks for the input.
> Gaye

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Hello Gaye,
Believe me that what remains of the Venison in the
Prescription Death kibble does not even resemble real venison.

Chicken is suggested to begin raw diets because it is easy to
digest , inexpensive , easy to acquire and the bones are very
digestible.

For dog new to raw a minimum of 2 - 4 weeks on assorted large
chicken parts work well for most dogs. Thereafter introduce
different proteins a bit at a time.

There should be no mixing of kibble & raw meat because each digest
at different rates and can cause dire-rear *g*

Toss out the kibble or give it to a shelter.

Go straight to raw and never look back .......... period.

Good luck,
Shirley & the Kitchen Wolves & Tigers

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10a. Anal gland problems
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:24 pm ((PST))

Well from what I can tell they are a bit full. Amos has been raw fed
for a year and a half and I've never noticed problems before but he's
scooted twice in the past 3 days. I was reading thru some previous
posts on this subject and it was mentioned feeding once a day and
feeding boney meals. Will feeding once a day help the glands to
express easier and should I be feeding something boney everyday or
only when there's a problem? I cut up chickens in 1/4 lb chunks and
sometimes he ends up with more meat than bone and sometimes the other
way around. Should I be making sure he has something pretty much all
bone at every feeding time, provided it's suggested I feed once a day?
And is the purpose for feeding once a day to make the stools one
compact movement vs being fed twice a day and having half as compact
stools? I'm also afraid to manually express them for fear it'll make
the it harder for him to express naturally.

Heather

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10b. Re: Anal gland problems
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:40 am ((PST))

Hi Heather,

My dog seemed to stop scooting when I switched to prey model and
eliminated veggies and grains (except for the occasional treat)--I
don't know if you're feeding any of that...

I guess Amos could be sensitive to bone amounts--do you notice if this
happens with particularly boney meals, or after less boney meals? Are
his poops generally well-formed? Dry? Crumbly? Loose, or runny?

The vet did express my dog's anal glands once and it just doesn't seem
natural and healthy to me to do that regularly. If I were you, I would
just try to take note of it and anything you can relate it to for a
little while, and experiment with the diet.

I don't know if feeding once a day would help or not. How old is your
dog and what are your reasons for feeding twice a day?

Laurie

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11. Update on Ginger (diarrhea)
Posted by: "kkellogg22004" kkellogg22004@yahoo.com kkellogg22004
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:20 pm ((PST))

I wanted to update this group, since I had asked for help with
intractable, projectile diarrhea in my older basenji female, Ginger.
This dates from about 6-8 months ago, starting out intermittent but
finally becoming continuous.

Both dogs have been eating raw prey-model for about 4 months now;
commercial raw before that for a year. They both have shown health
benefits from prey-model: shiny fur, energy, stable weight, clean
teeth. And they love the food (all except liver, but will eat it if
it's frozen).

After trying (without success) various stool tests including cultures
all coming back negative and various remedies for worms, bacteria,
etc., we've started prednisone and the results have been miraculous.
It had been about two months since I'd seen anything but liquid
sprayed out under extreme pressure. Ever since the first day on
prednisone, beautiful formed stools and no discomfort. The vet, of
course, plans to cut back to the lowest dose that provides relief of
symptoms.

But I just had to tell you what my wonderful (conventional) vet said
at our visit on Friday, before prescribing the prednisone. She was
mulling over putting Ginger on an intestinal-diet kibble. I was by
that time so desperate that I would've done it, and told her so. But
she stopped and said, "I really don't want to take her off the raw
since she's doing so well on it. Clearly it is not contributing to
her problem, and I feel she won't be as healthy on canned or kibbled
food."

There is hope for change with open-minded vets like this one!

Kate

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12. Looking to switch, but worried about Chicken protein sensitivity
Posted by: "ekendahl" robert@ekendahl.org ekendahl
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:21 am ((PST))

Hello,

My wife and I are about to switch our two White German Shepherds over
to raw feeding and need help.

In this mail I'm looking for help for our mature (3+ years) White
German Shepherd "Newton". Newton is currently on Innova EVO, Red Meat
which he loves. He's reaching 100 lbs which is say 5 lbs more then he
"should".
Newton has an active life and goes to doggie day-care 5 days/week and
have active weekends with hikes (several hours long) or romps in the
park. Yet we have to cut back his food to under recommended kibble
portion size (for even average active dogs) to try to control his
weight. Looking to switch, but worried about Chicken protein sensitivity

Here is my concern: Newton has a sensitive stomach (normal in
Shepherds). When he was growing up he was on first standard Innova and
then Innova EVO (Chicken) and routinely had loose stool/diarrhea. I
was about to switch him to a bland kibble when a vet told me he might
be sensitive to Chicken protein. There was no tests done but I
switched him to Innova EVO Red Meat and the loose stool problem went
away.

Now I'm afraid to switch him onto a raw feeding based on chicken
carcasses and are looking for help/support.

* Do you think Newton is sensitive to chicken?
* Is sensitivity to chicken protein common?
* Any chance raw chicken protein can be handled better then cooked?
* If not what is a good, beef based, RMB?
* What and how much would you feed this 99lbs active dog?

Looking for help on how to give this family member a very long active
life!

/Robert Ekendahl

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