[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12427

There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Bones causing perforated intestines
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Looking to switch, but worried about Chicken protein sensitivity
From: carnesbill

3a. Re: Grant is Sick: Diagnosis Pancreatitis
From: ginny wilken

4a. Re: How much poop should I expect?
From: carnesbill

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1a. Bones causing perforated intestines
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:13 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Tracy"
<amypatriciatracy@...> wrote:
>
> are the knuckle bones with all of the
> googlies attached from petco a "no no"?

Yep, you already got the message on this. A no no.

> and what about rawhide?

Some rawhides are safe, some are very dangerous and I can't tell the
difference so I avoid them like the plague.

> a peanut butter filled kong (all natural, of course). is
> that okay??

I have used peanut butter filled kongs before. The only problem I
noticed is the high energy level of the dog when I returned home.
With the giant kong I use for my Danes, it takes about 1/2 a jar of
peanut butter to do much good. :) After a couple of times I began
using other things, mainly Cheeze Whiz and hot dogs.

> bully sticks and beef trachea from bestbullysticks.com. how do
> you guys feel about my these?

I've never used either but I hear they are both real good.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Looking to switch, but worried about Chicken protein sensitivity
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:35 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Nothing special about chicken backs other than the
> price...they are far too bony and by the time you buy extra
> meat to add to them, your savings has gone down the drain.

No need to add extra meat when you feed chicken backs. I don't and
never have. I have fed over 7500 chicken backs and have never once
added meat to the meal. The price savings allow you to feed some
real good meat at other times.

The anti-diarrhea properties of backs also make them useful and
valuable.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Re: Grant is Sick: Diagnosis Pancreatitis
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:21 pm ((PST))

On Dec 27, 2007, at 8:31 PM, redraider_alh wrote:

>
> So...the dilemma now--In the past, the staff at the clinic were
> unable to argue with our
> RAW feeding since my dogs are healthy, etc. Now, I'm being told
> he'll more than likely
> need special "kibble" food and that our RAW feeding is to blame
> since the bacteria on the
> food is what more than likely caused the overgrowth of the enzymes
> in the pancreas. In
> addition, the fat content of the raw feeding will more than likely
> cause problems in the
> future now that we have "pancreatic history."
>
> Now what? Anyone else with 'pancreatic' canine kids? And what are
> the truths to the
> whole RAW/pancreatic issues?

There are degrees of pancreatitis; this could be just a transient
attack. In any case, rawfed pancreatitis dogs are numerous; it's
actually much healthier and better balanced, easier to control, and
free of all the unsuitable junk in the kibbles. The last thing you
want is carbs and cooked indigestible proteins.

So, basically, this is crap, and you can work with the diagnosis when
you get home. Tell the sitter to feed him lightly, and avoid really
fatty bits and skin on the chicken, for now. Oh, and the bacteria on
the food cause NOTHING; you already realize that a dog's mouth
encounters far more in every block than in any number of raw dinners.

A lot of spin goes into those articles online.....

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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4a. Re: How much poop should I expect?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:26 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Monica Hughes <monicabeth10@...>
wrote:
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> So, how often do your dogs poop?

Usually once a day. Some days, not at all. Very rarely 2 times a
day.

> Just curious. I'm very familiar with the infrequent small stools
> in my raw fed cat, but I'm just not used to seeing it in a dog.

When I switched my dogs, the poop volume went to about 25% of the
kibble days. They occasionally have larger poops but mostly they
are still about the same as that.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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