[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12432

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: vets
From: judy tallant
1b. Re: vets
From: ginny wilken
1c. Re: vets
From: Sandee Lee
1d. Re: vets
From: Laura Atkinson
1e. Re: vets
From: Karen Ditton
1f. Re: vets
From: carnesbill
1g. Re: vets
From: Karen Ditton
1h. Re: vets
From: Sandee Lee
1i. Re: vets
From: Anna Labriola
1j. Re: vets
From: Loraine Jesse

2a. Re: Types of edible bone
From: adkjoe17
2b. Re: Types of edible bone
From: Sandee Lee
2c. Re: Types of edible bone
From: judy tallant
2d. Re: Types of edible bone
From: Yasuko herron

3a. feeding large and the next day
From: DebiC
3b. Re: feeding large and the next day
From: katkellm
3c. Re: feeding large and the next day
From: Ania Tysarczyk

4a. Re: Hi everyone!
From: Laura Atkinson

5a. Re: Teething and bones
From: Laura Atkinson
5b. Re: Teething and bones
From: carnesbill

6a. Re: Chicken Allergy
From: carnesbill

7. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder plus question.
From: deb&Earl veil

8a. Re: Angel & Holly's first Raw meal/multiple dogs
From: Laurie Swanson

9a. Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations?
From: Kim
9b. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations?
From: Ania Tysarczyk

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1a. Re: vets
Posted by: "judy tallant" judy@tallant.com judyltallant
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:11 am ((PST))

This is a very typical response. A case of vets having too much
scientific training to be helpful, IMO.

On Dec 29, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Renate wrote:

> She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago...

Judy Tallant
Snohomish, Wa

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1b. Re: vets
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:28 am ((PST))

On Dec 29, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Renate wrote:

> She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago proving
> that raw
> fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh, but kibble fed dogs don't.
> And she
> told me to be very very careful and not to use my dogs as therapy
> dogs
> cause they can be dangerous to ill people. I said why should I be
> more
> concerned about salmonella than ecoli and got another lectureLOL
> Has anyone heard of this study, or have any idea why this could be?

Total crap, not worthy of rebuttal, even. Don't worry about it. Tons
of us live in very close contact with rawfed dogs, and nobody's ill.
I'm absolutely sure there are rawfed therapy dogs as well. Think for
yourself: a dog with gleaming teeth, no bad breath, no coat odor, no
really obnoxious poop - is this an animal that will make you sick to
be around? Heck, we should be so healthy.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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1c. Re: vets
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:49 am ((PST))

Hi Renate,

That is just more nonsense! Salmonella is everywhere...and found in the gut
and stool of healthy dogs (and people) regardless of diet!

Isn't it amazing they can look at a dog and be impressed with how they have
changed, how healthy they look, etc., but they hear that evil RAW word and
turn into raving maniacs?????

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Renate" <renate.tideswell@gmail.com>

>
> She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago proving that
raw
> fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh, but kibble fed dogs don't. And
she
> told me to be very very careful and not to use my dogs as therapy dogs
> cause they can be dangerous to ill people. I said why should I be more
> concerned about salmonella than ecoli and got another lectureLOL
> Has anyone heard of this study, or have any idea why this could be?

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1d. Re: vets
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:21 pm ((PST))

Heck, she's so allfired ready to disbelieve the evidence in front of her,
let HER cough up the study for you. Bet she can't...or won't.

On Dec 29, 2007 9:49 AM, Renate <renate.tideswell@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been raw feeding three months now. Took Russell to the vet today (he
> was a rescue with epilepsy and in poor condition). The vet was amazed.
> She
> said his condition was absolutely perfect! I told her I was raw feeding
> and
> I got a lecture (never did know when to keep my mouth shut)
>
> She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago proving that
> raw
> fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh, but kibble fed dogs don't. And
> she
> told me to be very very careful and not to use my dogs as therapy dogs
> cause they can be dangerous to ill people. I said why should I be more
> concerned about salmonella than ecoli and got another lectureLOL
> Has anyone heard of this study, or have any idea why this could be?
> --
> Renate
>
> --
> Laura A
> Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
> Send more trespassers, the last ones were delicious

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1e. Re: vets
Posted by: "Karen Ditton" karenditton@urassociation.com karenditton
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:57 pm ((PST))

She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago proving that raw
fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh, but kibble fed dogs don't.

*** I'd have asked her for the details of the study. who did it, etc or for
a copy of it. I find that a lot of times people will say "there was this
study" but can't back up that statement when asked to produce the study.
(I'm new to raw, so haven't done this in context, but I've done this in
other contexts and bet it's no different here.) Or. if the study was done
you can read it and find out the exact details. Many studies are done in
such a biased manor that they produce the results that whoever did the study
wanted regardless of what the real facts are. Some use a lot of technical
language so it can be a vocabulary building exercise too! :-)

Karen

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1f. Re: vets
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:57 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Renate <renate.tideswell@...>
wrote:
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> She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago
> proving that raw fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh,
> but kibble fed dogs don't.

The study is exactly what she said it was. I believe it was the one
done at Ohio State. However, the purpose of the study was to prove
that raw fed dogs shed salmonella in thier stools and kibble fed
dogs don't. Whenever you have a study that is working towards a
known outcome, you can always make it prove that known outcome.

Maybe raw fed dogs do have more salmonella in their stools. Who
knows for sure? If you pick up stools with bare hands and then put
your hands in your mouth before washing, it MIGHT be a problem, then
again it might not. I would think e-coli would be more of a
problem. As long as you wash your hands after you touch poop, you
are ok. Same with poop from all animals including humans.

After 5 years of feeeding raw, and hanging around several raw
feeding lists and reading thousands of posts, I can't remember any
person who caught salmonella or e-coli from a raw fed dog or the
stools of a raw fed dog.

> And she told me to be very very careful and not to use my dogs
> as therapy dogs cause they can be dangerous to ill people.

Again, I have never heard of one single person getting sick from a
raw fed dog in any way.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1g. Re: vets
Posted by: "Karen Ditton" karenditton@urassociation.com karenditton
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:58 pm ((PST))

OK. This got my curiosity up, so I did a quick Google search. Here's what I
found!

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=339295

IF this is the study the vet was referring to, then I have a bunch of
problems with it.

#1 - The study was only 20 dogs. That is way too small a sample to prove
anything.

#2 - The raw fed dogs were fed a BARF diet including vegetables. So I don't
see how that proves anything about dogs fed the prey model diet. MAYBE
those un-digestible veggies interfered with the dogs' digestion. (Gee. does
that sound too obvious???)

#3 - Oh. this is good. :-) I found this quote:

Is it possible to get Salmonella from our pets? Yes, but it is important to
look at

how this transmission occurs. Approximately 36% of healthy dogs and 17% of
healthy

cats carry Salmonella in their digestive tract and therefore may shed the
bacteria in their

stool (4).

4. Hand, M.S., Thatcher, C.D., Remillard, R.L., and Roudebush, P. (2000)
Small

Animal Clinical Nutrition. Mark Morris Institute. Pg. 36-42,188.

Sooooo. if 36% of healthy dogs shed salmonella in their stools and the study
on the barf fed dogs only came up with 30%... hmmmm.

Just to be safe I will not eat any of my dogs poop!!! ;-)

Karen

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1h. Re: vets
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:07 pm ((PST))

Oh good article. The one I was thinking about was a bit different, but
admitted dogs fed kibble also had salmonella in their stools...but of course
they recommended feeding kibble! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Karen Ditton" <karenditton@urassociation.com>

> OK. This got my curiosity up, so I did a quick Google search. Here's what
I
> found!
>
>
>
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=339295

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1i. Re: vets
Posted by: "Anna Labriola" taggartgalt@yahoo.com taggartgalt
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:55 pm ((PST))

>
> She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago proving
that raw
> fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh, but kibble fed dogs don't.
And she
> told me to be very very careful and not to use my dogs as therapy
dogs
> cause they can be dangerous to ill people. I said why should I be
more
> concerned about salmonella than ecoli and got another lectureLOL
> Has anyone heard of this study, or have any idea why this could be?

First off, I think you need a new vet. Secondly, my understanding of
the studies are that raw and kibble fed dogs BOTH have salmonella in
their stool. Thirdly, for her to condemn your dogs as "dangerous" to
the population is insulting and offensive.

My vet is very excited to be seeing the third generation of minimally
vaccinated, raw fed dogs. I have fed Khan a stinking ham hock in
front of her(to keep him still and quiet.) I would be looking for a
new vet today. They are out there.

Anna and Khan (9 mo old brown doberman)

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1j. Re: vets
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:55 pm ((PST))

As in anything in life you do your best to keep things clean, such as washing down your counters (I do use a little bleach) and picking up the dog poop. How do you think all those millions of Chicken, Turkey, Beef, Pig etc, Farmers manage to exisit in this life without carrying disease all over the place. Farmers and their Families do leave their farms and get involved in all sorts of activities and I don't ever recall anyone going on and on about their livestock affecting and or, spreading salmonella, e-coli, etc.
The fact is more and more people are realizing that allot of Vets are more concerned about their income than they are about the animals they care about and that they tend to treat symtoms, instead of getting to the root of the problem.
I am very curious if there has been a stud done on how many times that raw fed, min. vaccinated dogs or, not vaccinated at all dogs actually have made to Vets. I strongly suspect the visits are very low compared to kibble fed dogs, therefore there is not much income to be had from our dogs, so naturally our diet would be attacked as being no good.
Loraine Jesse
www.rothburgrottweilers.com

To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.comFrom: carnesw@bellsouth.netDate: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:36:26 +0000Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: vets

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Renate <renate.tideswell@...> wrote:>> She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago> proving that raw fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh,> but kibble fed dogs don't.The study is exactly what she said it was. I believe it was the one done at Ohio State. However, the purpose of the study was to prove that raw fed dogs shed salmonella in thier stools and kibble fed dogs don't. Whenever you have a study that is working towards a known outcome, you can always make it prove that known outcome.Maybe raw fed dogs do have more salmonella in their stools. Who knows for sure? If you pick up stools with bare hands and then put your hands in your mouth before washing, it MIGHT be a problem, then again it might not. I would think e-coli would be more of a problem. As long as you wash your hands after you touch poop, you are ok. Same with poop from all animals including humans.After 5 years of feeeding raw, and hanging around several raw feeding lists and reading thousands of posts, I can't remember any person who caught salmonella or e-coli from a raw fed dog or the stools of a raw fed dog.> And she told me to be very very careful and not to use my dogs> as therapy dogs cause they can be dangerous to ill people.Again, I have never heard of one single person getting sick from a raw fed dog in any way.Bill Carneshttp://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htmFeeding Raw since October 2002"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Types of edible bone
Posted by: "adkjoe17" j2dope17@yahoo.com adkjoe17
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:11 am ((PST))

Thanks Sandee, I'm only feeding chicken for the bone and would like to
find another source, what types of pork cuts have lighter edible bones?

Joe

Sandee Lee wrote:
> You probably don't need to add bone if you are feeding mostly
chicken. But
> pork and fish would be good sources if necessary.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "adkjoe17" <j2dope17@...>
>
>
> What are some other types of edible bones besides chicken. Most of
> the beef bones are too hard to eat and lamb ribs are pretty expensive.
> What other ways can I ad bone to red meat? I use chicken mostly but
> would like to find another source of bone.
>

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2b. Re: Types of edible bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:54 am ((PST))

Just about anything pork...slabs of ribs, various roasts...some of those
bones may not be totally edible for a puppy but they sure can make a dent in
them. Meanwhile they will get lots of nice red meat and fat!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "adkjoe17" <j2dope17@yahoo.com>

Thanks Sandee, I'm only feeding chicken for the bone and would like to
find another source, what types of pork cuts have lighter edible bones?

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2c. Re: Types of edible bone
Posted by: "judy tallant" judy@tallant.com judyltallant
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:57 pm ((PST))

Fish, turkey, lamb, duck, goose, oxtail.

On Dec 29, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Sandee Lee wrote:

> I'm only feeding chicken for the bone and would like to
> find another source, what types of pork cuts have lighter edible
> bones?

Judy Tallant
Snohomish, Wa

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2d. Re: Types of edible bone
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

>what types of pork cuts have lighter edible bones?

I think pork ribsare softest among pork category. Next will be neck bone of pork.And hardest will be pork feet but edible,make dog tired.

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3a. feeding large and the next day
Posted by: "DebiC" dcole6@satx.rr.com scarlet_debi
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:35 am ((PST))

Raw Feeding for dogs and cats!Question about feeding large

I have a tendency to feed large meals to my JRTs. Either a chicken quarter, a lb of hamburger each or a large heart, you know so that they can gorge.

A lot of times they aren't interested in food the next day. I'll offer them but the meals are turned down.

Should I leave it out for them to pick at or should I give them say an hour then remove the food. Its cool here now so leaving it out isn't the issue it is in the summer.

Debi, 2 Jacks and an App

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3b. Re: feeding large and the next day
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:57 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "DebiC" <dcole6@...> wrote:
> Should I leave it out for them to pick at or should I give them say
an hour then remove the food. Its cool here now so leaving it out
isn't the issue it is in the summer.

Hi Debi,
When i feed gorge meals in the winter i never pick the stuff up.
Before i feed the hunk of whatever, i determine how many days food it
is and that is all they got get for x amount of days. Sometimes they
finish early, and rest a couple of days. Sometimes, they stretch it
out longer than i would have expected. Just depends. This is just
how i do it, and it works out well for my 3 dogs. KathyM

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3c. Re: feeding large and the next day
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:55 pm ((PST))

I would not feed them at all the next day.

Ania

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "DebiC" <dcole6@...> wrote:
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> Raw Feeding for dogs and cats!Question about feeding large
>
> I have a tendency to feed large meals to my JRTs. Either a
chicken quarter, a lb of hamburger each or a large heart, you know
so that they can gorge.
>
> A lot of times they aren't interested in food the next day. I'll
offer them but the meals are turned down.
>
> Should I leave it out for them to pick at or should I give them
say an hour then remove the food. Its cool here now so leaving it
out isn't the issue it is in the summer.
>
> Debi, 2 Jacks and an App
>
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4a. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:16 pm ((PST))

Uh, not quite. They do NOT need to have edible bone every day. Don't lock
yourself into that kind of rigid feeding. They need roughly 10% edible bone
(not a hard and fast number, but one that will show you how much we tend to
overfeed bone).

On Dec 28, 2007 8:44 PM, Heather <newbeginnings06@gmail.com> wrote:

> From what I gathered, you are only feeding boneless meats and organs
> currently and feeding a meaty rib once a week? If so, he needs to have
> bone everyday not just once a week.
> Heather
>
>
>
> --
> Laura A
> Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
> Send more trespassers, the last ones were delicious
>

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5a. Re: Teething and bones
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:18 pm ((PST))

Nope, just keep doing what you're doing. The additional bone won't hurt
them, but they don't *need* it. When mine are really teething, they won't
eat the bone, they'll strip all of the meat off of anything and leave the
bone...usually when those molars are breaking through.

On Dec 29, 2007 9:21 AM, Loraine Jesse <rothburg@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I do have a question. My pups are 4 months and have been fed twice a day
> since about 12 wks. In the morning they have chicken or, Turkey pieces and
> the evening usually beef, pork or, heart with varies organ pieces (liver,
> kidney) added a few times a week, the odd time they will get eggs or, canned
> fish. They are teething like mad now so I have been offering them pork
> necks, which they are munching down big time. Will they be okay with this
> additional bone? Is it possible that they would need additional bone during
> the teething stage? They are a large breed, so I want to make sure I am not
> messing up here.
> Loraine Jessewww.rothburgrottweilers.com
>

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5b. Re: Teething and bones
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:57 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Loraine Jesse <rothburg@...>
wrote:

> Will they be okay with this additional bone?

Sure. Lots of people feed pork necks.

> Is it possible that they would need additional bone during
> the teething stage?

I doubt it. They have been building bone since the day they were
born. I doubt a few teeth will add much to the calcium requirment.

> They are a large breed, so I want to make sure I am not messing
> up here.

Sounds like you are doing great. Keep going down the path you are
taking and it will be pretty difficult to mess up and impossible to
mess up so bad that the pups can't recover from it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Re: Chicken Allergy
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:57 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nanack909" <dblack@...> wrote:
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>
> >
> > -Bill,
> Do you think its just a coincidence that my dog stopped eating
> chicken around the time he started itching, after more than
> 2 months of eating it eagerly?

Yes, I think it is. I don't think one thing had anything to do with
the other. I don't believe dogs have a mystical power to
understand, "if i eat this, it will cause me to itch." Heck, most
people don't have that ability. :) :) :)

> I guess since he doesn't want to eat chicken he
> is putting himself on an elimination diet, as I hate to put him
> through not letting him eat anything else until he eats the darned
> chicken.

My guess is that he had rather have whatever it is you feed him when
he refuses chicken. He has learned, "if I hold out, something
better will be offered."

> Too bad I have alot of it in the freezer.

Well, hold on to it for now. It won't be long before you will know
for sure and once you determine it's not the chicken causing the
itching, insist that he eat it. You are in charge of the diet, not
him. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder plus question.
Posted by: "deb&Earl veil" deb_earl_veil@yahoo.com deb_earl_veil
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:58 pm ((PST))

I know Zeus, My male Mastiff will often with chicken legs not bother really chewing and swallow but then regurgitate. I found that leaving them half frozen make him have to work and has completly stopped this problem whether it is a leg or even veal flank. He has even with medium size piecesof that chewed maybe 2 or three times then swallowed, and within 5 min. regurgitated it. So I ahveas a rule of thumb anything I feed him, leave around half frozen and he will chew it totally before swallowing.
Thanks for the advise on feeding the pups, they seem to be doing well. Mom however woke up this morning totally engorged and a bit hard. So am keeping hot packs consistantly on her and she is leaking milk little by little. Unfortunatly she also seems to be going through depression because of seperation anziety. If let her in the room where the puppy pen is she tries to either open the pen to get to them or will juump up on our bed then into the pen. But because she is taking the antibiotics and so raw with the vet taking her off nursing, I can not let her in the room with them at all. She is refusing to eat right now as well. She currently is 4 lbs below her pre pregnancy weight, which she was by no means to start with to heavy or to light. Anyone have any suggestions as far as her eating or how long until I should worry aobut her not eating? appreciate any suggestions at all!

Blessed Be
Deb

Blessed Be
Deb and Earl

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8a. Re: Angel & Holly's first Raw meal/multiple dogs
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:54 pm ((PST))

Congrats! Sounds like things went well!

I'm new to feeding multiple dogs so I don't know what to say about
that. I think I would just want to make sure they aren't stressed
while eating, and that each dog is getting the right amount and one
isn't getting too much while the other doesn't get enough. You can
let them decide and watch to see how it goes, or you can teach them
to each eat on separate towels/blankets, or if it becomes necessary--
in crates, or with a baby gate in between, etc.

You could probably get more info searching the archives for "multiple
dogs."

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "homesforallpets"
<homesforallpets@...> wrote:
Was
> it ok for me to let them decide who got what? Or should I feed
them
> seperately?

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9a. Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations?
Posted by: "Kim" onlyzombiecat@embarqmail.com zombiecat3
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:54 pm ((PST))

We just took in an 8 year old female Chihuahua last week. She weighs
10.5 pounds. She needs to lose weight. I can not feel her ribs at all.
She is not very energetic. She has some teeth but several have been
removed.

In her former home she was fed canned food (and human junk food). I was
not planning to switch her to raw until she settled in a bit more.
However, she passed up the canned stuff and made a beeline for our other
dog's chicken quarter so I decided to see what she would do with a leg.
She got all the skin and meat off the bone and left the bone. [:D]

What should I do to make sure she gets a complete diet? Are there some
bones she could handle or might she need a supplement if we go totally
raw for her? What do other Chihuahua owners feed?

Our other dog is a 17 month old fox terrier mix and has been doing great
on a raw diet for about 10 months.

Thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions.

-Kim
Reggie- 17 month old Fox Terrier mix
Sophie- 8 year old Chihuahua

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9b. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations?
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:21 pm ((PST))

For bone sources, chicken necks and backs would be good choices. You
can crush them with a hammer first if she can't handle them whole.
But, I would try whole first. I would think if she was able to get the
skin and meat off a leg quarter, she may be able to crunch up softer
bones.

If all else fails, you can always feed chunks of boneless meat then
grind the boney things up or purchase preground chicken backs and
necks.

Ania

> However, she passed up the canned stuff and made a beeline for our
other
> dog's chicken quarter so I decided to see what she would do with a
leg.
> She got all the skin and meat off the bone and left the bone. [:D]
>
> What should I do to make sure she gets a complete diet? Are there
some
> bones she could handle or might she need a supplement if we go
totally
> raw for her? What do other Chihuahua owners feed?
>

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