[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12433

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Hi everyone!
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: Hi everyone!
From: Laura Atkinson
1c. Re: Hi everyone!
From: Heather
1d. Re: Hi everyone!
From: Sandee Lee
1e. Re: Hi everyone!
From: T Smith
1f. bone
From: Heather
1g. Re: bone
From: Sandee Lee
1h. Re: bone
From: Ania Tysarczyk
1i. Re: Hi everyone!
From: carnesbill

2a. New Member Saying Hi!!
From: Heather
2b. Re: New Member Saying Hi!!
From: Sandee Lee
2c. Re: New Member Saying Hi!!
From: Laura Atkinson
2d. Re: New Member Saying Hi!!
From: Heather

3a. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations?
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: Chicken Allergy
From: nanack909

5. Our first Turkey!
From: Karen Ditton

6a. Re: Angel & Holly's first Raw meal/multiple dogs
From: homesforallpets

7a. Re: vets
From: deb&Earl veil
7b. Re: vets
From: Heather
7c. Re: vets
From: mathamgri

8a. Re: frozen??
From: joan

9a. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder plus question.
From: Lynda McLellan

10. Chew Toys etc
From: pgmgolfcoach

11. pro-raw vets
From: Monica Hughes

12. New Member intro with question
From: nanettechols

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1a. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:21 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
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> Uh, not quite. They do NOT need to have edible bone every day.
> Don't lock yourself into that kind of rigid feeding.

When the dog has the dental problems this one does, he certainly does
need editable bone every day at least until the problem has cleared
itself up. He will always need bone more than once a week.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:34 pm ((PST))

If you say so.

Bones, in and of themselves, don't provide the cleaning. Feeding things
with tough skins, such as pork picnics will also help with dental cleaning.
Not every tooth comes in contact with a bone...it's the whole chewing
process that cleans the teeth.

If a dog has majorly severe dental issues, then perhaps a cleaning may be
the way to go to improve his health quickly.

But, the poster I was referring to said, without qualification, that edible
bone was required daily. That's what I was responding to. My apologies for
not making it crystal clear.

On Dec 29, 2007 2:20 PM, carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Uh, not quite. They do NOT need to have edible bone every day.
> > Don't lock yourself into that kind of rigid feeding.
>
> When the dog has the dental problems this one does, he certainly does
> need editable bone every day at least until the problem has cleared
> itself up. He will always need bone more than once a week.
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Send more trespassers, the last ones were delicious

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1c. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:02 pm ((PST))

Laura, please explain to me then the purpose of the calcium:phosphorus
ratio of 1:1 or 2:1. Doesn't that mean equal bone and meat or more
bone than meat? Maybe I just don't understand it. Here is the link for
the FAQ I got my understanding of bone/meat ratio from.

http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm#ratio
I have also read the thing that cleans teeth is abrasion, such as from
bones. I don't believe meats or skin provide that. The OP's dog has
not been fed much bone from what I can see.. is 8 years old and raw
fed for 5. Racing Greyhounds often are fed mainly a diet of raw meats
and have terrible teeth coming into the rescue. One of the main
benefits from feeding raw is that the RMBs clean the teeth and keep
the mouth healthy. Seeing as this dog's mouth is not very healthy and
not fed much bone, it only makes sense to me that bone should be fed
everyday to keep the teeth clean and balance out the phosphorus. I
could have it ALL wrong though.

Heather

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1d. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:23 pm ((PST))

Heather,

If you feed according to the prey model, which is the natural diet of a
carnivore, all of those ratios are going to be perfect. That means lots and
lots of meat (up to 80%) and little edible bone (approximately 10%). With
only 10% bone required in the overall diet, you can see bone does not need
to be fed every day. Meat, fat, skin, hair, gristle, etc. all do a fine job
of flossing and cleaning teeth. The key is to fed nice large portions that
require some work.

Ignore the njboxer site....it's based on the BARF philosophy which is not an
appropriate diet. There is no prey in existence that is made up of 50%
bone, 50% meat.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Heather" <newbeginnings06@gmail.com>

Laura, please explain to me then the purpose of the calcium:phosphorus
ratio of 1:1 or 2:1. Doesn't that mean equal bone and meat or more
bone than meat? Maybe I just don't understand it. Here is the link for
the FAQ I got my understanding of bone/meat ratio from.
http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm#ratio
I have also read the thing that cleans teeth is abrasion, such as from
bones. I don't believe meats or skin provide that.

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1e. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:01 pm ((PST))

The only reason we do add bone daily for our 3 Danes is because they need
it.
The other 6 do just fine with a regular meat meal & ocassional bone.
I just had to adjust their diets to fit their specific needs.
But like they are saying, from what I gather, it is not a necessity. My
Lhasas do fine with a burger meal & no bones....
Trina
Still new to raw

On Dec 29, 2007 3:23 PM, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:

> Heather,
>
> If you feed according to the prey model, which is the natural diet of a
> carnivore, all of those ratios are going to be perfect. That means lots
> and
> lots of meat (up to 80%) and little edible bone (approximately 10%). With
> only 10% bone required in the overall diet, you can see bone does not need
> to be fed every day. Meat, fat, skin, hair, gristle, etc. all do a fine
> job
> of flossing and cleaning teeth. The key is to fed nice large portions that
> require some work.
>
> Ignore the njboxer site....it's based on the BARF philosophy which is not
> an
> appropriate diet. There is no prey in existence that is made up of 50%
> bone, 50% meat.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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1f. bone
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:59 pm ((PST))

Thank you for clearing that up Sandee. I learn something new everyday!
I started out doing the BARF model, with vegetables once a week and
supplements, etc. I've always been afraid of not feeding enough
calcium to balance out the phosphorus in the meats and maybe doing
some harm. I feed boneless/low bone meals once or twice a week. Is
that still feeding too much bone?

Heather

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1g. Re: bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:16 pm ((PST))

I would say most likely you are feeding too much bone. What exactly are you
feeding, Heather?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Heather" <newbeginnings06@gmail.com>

Thank you for clearing that up Sandee. I learn something new everyday!
I started out doing the BARF model, with vegetables once a week and
supplements, etc. I've always been afraid of not feeding enough
calcium to balance out the phosphorus in the meats and maybe doing
some harm. I feed boneless/low bone meals once or twice a week. Is
that still feeding too much bone?

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1h. Re: bone
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:09 pm ((PST))

Hi Sandee,

What would too much bone in the diet do?

I try to mimic the amount you would find in a wild small animal or
bird, but I probably feed more than that feeding a very boney meal 2-
3 times a week. Though too much bone has not be a concern to me. But
I keep hearing about too much bone in the diet, so I thought you'd
be a good person to ask.

Ania

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> I would say most likely you are feeding too much bone. What
exactly are you
> feeding, Heather?
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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1i. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:09 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
>
> If a dog has majorly severe dental issues, then perhaps a
> cleaning may be the way to go to improve his health quickly.
>
> But, the poster I was referring to said, without
> qualification, that edible
> bone was required daily.

The post you were replying to was replying to a post about a dog
with very heavy plaque who had been fed a homemade diet of meat and
organs with no bone for a few years I think. The original poster
had stated that she had JUST begun feeding a rib bone once a week.
The post you were replying to was written in that context. In that
context she/he made a correct statement. Often when you are
replying to a post you have to take into consideration the thread
and what is going on in it.

The issues the orginal dog has will probably clear up in a month or
two without intervention. Even if it's slower, avoiding anesthesia
is very worth the few weeks wait. At the very least an attempt
should be made before resorting to a cleaning at the vet.

Now, back to your first statement in this post. The dog has these
problems because he wasn't fed bones in a long time. Simply feeding
bones as part of the diet would have eliminated the whole problem.
No, healthy dogs don't need bone every day but they need more than
one rib bone a week.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. New Member Saying Hi!!
Posted by: "Heather" sansdawn@yahoo.com sansdawn
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:29 pm ((PST))

Hello Everyone,
My name is Heather and I live in NH with my Darling Husband, Son and 2
Great Danes. Emmee we have had the longest, she is currently my
Service Dog, Shelly is our rescue girl and newest family member. After
being a SAHM for 3 years, I finaly got back to the working field, and
I'm finding some difficulties with keeping up with the raw diets :( We
currently have only the kitchen freezer for storage, I keep trying to
talk hubby into a chest freezer, but so far no luck.. I would love any
and all suggestions!!

Dane Hugs,
Heather

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2b. Re: New Member Saying Hi!!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:36 pm ((PST))

Hi Heather,

Well, you're either going to need a freezer so you can stock up...or stop at
the store a few times per week after work! :)) I couldn't live without
freezers...I have several! :) But then I live in the middle of nowhere so
take advantage of sales and buy by the caseload!

What have you been feeding your girls????

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Heather" <sansdawn@yahoo.com>
My name is Heather and I live in NH with my Darling Husband, Son and 2
Great Danes. Emmee we have had the longest, she is currently my
Service Dog, Shelly is our rescue girl and newest family member. After
being a SAHM for 3 years, I finaly got back to the working field, and
I'm finding some difficulties with keeping up with the raw diets :( We
currently have only the kitchen freezer for storage, I keep trying to
talk hubby into a chest freezer, but so far no luck.. I would love any
and all suggestions!!

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2c. Re: New Member Saying Hi!!
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:38 pm ((PST))

Here's something that has served me well in situations like this:

It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.

On Dec 29, 2007 2:25 PM, Heather <sansdawn@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,I'm finding some difficulties with keeping up with the raw
> diets :( We
> currently have only the kitchen freezer for storage, I keep trying to
> talk hubby into a chest freezer, but so far no luck.. I would love any
> and all suggestions!!
>
> Dane Hugs,
> Heather

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Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Send more trespassers, the last ones were delicious

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2d. Re: New Member Saying Hi!!
Posted by: "Heather" sansdawn@yahoo.com sansdawn
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:59 pm ((PST))

Hi Sandee,

Both girls are fed a combination of chicken, lamb or goat (whichever
the local slaughterhouse is butchering) along wtih some organs. I
have to go really light on the organs, both girls get diarrhea
easily. Both girls prefer things to be frozen, and Shelly will vomit
if given raw meat, so I get to just pull something from the freezer
and drop it outside on the deck! I did offer both girls the turkey
heart while I was getting Thanksgiving dinner ready, Emmee walked
away, Shelly actually wrinkled her nose up at it. :::shrugs::: Both
dogs are given supplements for joints also. That is about it, I
don't really measure and weigh things, I just keep an eye on how they
look, so far so good. Neither are too fat and Shelly has come a long
way since we got her. She spent 3 months in a Humane Society that
was feeding her puppy kibble, and they couldn't understand why she
had such bad diarrhea and was losing weight?? I'm sure they did what
they thought was best. When I took her back for a visit, they
couldn't believe the difference. I'll have to post before and after
pics, along with pics of Emmee!!

Laura...I love the suggestion, but that wouldn't fly with my
husband!!! LOL I'd get yelled at cause I didn't get a good enough
deal or something!!! I do have to remember that saying though...hehe

Dane Hugs,
Heather

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3a. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:53 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kim" <onlyzombiecat@...> wrote:
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> What should I do to make sure she gets a complete diet? Are
> there some bones she could handle or might she need a
> supplement if we go totally raw for her?

I think she could eat chicken wings and necks for bone. She may not
chew them in the beginning but she will learn how pretty quickly.
There are lots of dogs on the list with few teeth who do just fine
with bones.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: Chicken Allergy
Posted by: "nanack909" dblack@cfl.rr.com nanack909
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:26 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nanack909" <dblack@> wrote:
> >
> > OK. I will keep him off of chicken, but would'nt he stop
scratching in a month IF it is a chick. sensitivity?
Right now he is gnawing on a hugh turkey wing, came from the same
meat packer the chick came from, why in the heck would he leave
Chick leg quarters all day and they have much more meat than turk.
wings?
I am sure I am not hearing the scratching as much today, and when
this dog scratches you can hear it for miles. Stopping chick is the
only change in his diet, and today makes 6 days.
And thanks for your input,
Nancy & GSD Kobe

> > >> Yes, I think it is. I don't think one thing had anything to
do with
> the other. I don't believe dogs have a mystical power to
> understand, "if i eat this, it will cause me to itch." Heck, most
> people don't have that ability. :) :) :)
> .
>
> My guess is that he had rather have whatever it is you feed him
when
> he refuses chicken. He has learned, "if I hold out, something
> better will be offered."
>
>
>
> Well, hold on to it for now. It won't be long before you will
know
> for sure and once you determine it's not the chicken causing the
> itching, insist that he eat it. You are in charge of the diet,
not
> him. :) :) :)
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>

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5. Our first Turkey!
Posted by: "Karen Ditton" karenditton@urassociation.com karenditton
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:00 pm ((PST))

OK. I'm so pleased I just had to tell you all!!!

For our third protein I chose turkey, largely because I was able to get a
good deal on some naturally raised all natural ones. :-)

I cut one in half (a 10 lb bird, so 5 lb halves) and set it down for the
dogs Thursday night. They both sniffed and licked, but didn't eat much. I
did cut a few bites of the breast off so the puppy wouldn't go hungry.
Yesterday morning I offered them again and they were more enthusiastic,
although I still ended up helping the puppy.

Tonight I took Kaiser, my older guy, out for a walk just before dinner.
After pooping he shook himself just a bit, and then as though discovering
how good it felt gave himself a great big full body shake! I swear he's
acting like he feels younger every day!

As soon as we got back inside he headed for his feeding spot and I fed him
the rest of his turkey and he finished it! It was amazing to watch him
crunch through the big leg bone! (Made me glad he likes us!) I'm sure his
teeth got a nice cleaning!

After dinner he wanted lots of pets and cuddles. I think he was telling me
he's glad I finally figured out how to feed him!!!

Karen

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6a. Re: Angel & Holly's first Raw meal/multiple dogs
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:01 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> Congrats! Sounds like things went well!
>
> I'm new to feeding multiple dogs so I don't know what to say about
> that. I think I would just want to make sure they aren't stressed
> while eating, and that each dog is getting the right amount and one
> isn't getting too much while the other doesn't get enough.

Thanks! Today they did the same only Holly insisted she needed a big
piece, lol! Angel sat watching her chew on it with her head tilted
the way dogs do when they are listening to you talk. She looked at me
and whined a couple of times and when Holly was all done Angel sniffed
her all over looking at me with a kind of "where'd it go?" look! It
was adorable. Still no fighting :)

Kathy in MO

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7a. Re: vets
Posted by: "deb&Earl veil" deb_earl_veil@yahoo.com deb_earl_veil
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:01 pm ((PST))

We recently changed vets because first the office was sold and the new vet's english was really hard to understand and he also read me the riot act for choosing to feed my dogs raw, I even said to him, "oh, so you would rather I fed him a kibble that peoples dogs died because they ate?" needless to say, he didn't have much to say nor did we ever go back. My new vet said she does not know alot about the BARF diet, but that she is trying to learn more about it and anything I can give ehr would be appreciated. She also said she does have a few clients who have there dogs on BARF as well as ones that have recently changed to, and that those are some of the dogs that are in the best of health. She said, she would rather not have someone need to bring there dog to the vet because it was sick. So I am lucky. I have given her some info that I have and she was really appreciative of that. My thought is, if a vet or doc is gonna go an chew meout for a choice without having knowledge
to back it up, I am going to find another vet!

Blessed Be
Deb

Blessed Be
Deb and Earl

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7b. Re: vets
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:59 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Loraine Jesse <rothburg@...> wrote:
> I am very curious if there has been a stud done on how many times
that raw fed, min. vaccinated dogs or, not vaccinated at all dogs
actually have made to Vets. I strongly suspect the visits are very low
compared to kibble fed dogs, therefore there is not much income to be
had from our dogs, so naturally our diet would be attacked as being no
good.

There would be no funding for a study like that.. as most are funded
by large pet food companies that seek to "discover" if raw fed dogs or
kibble fed are more healthy. Since no one in the raw (non-commercial)
community makes money when they educate others about proper nutrition,
there is none to be put up for a study on raw. Just alone, the Rabies
Challenge Fund needs 1.25 million for it's 5 and 7 year study on the
DOI for the rabies vaccine. I cannot imagine the amount of money
needed to study numerous dogs for their lifetime on a raw diet.

Heather

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7c. Re: vets
Posted by: "mathamgri" mathamgri@yahoo.com mathamgri
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:09 pm ((PST))

---
>You know what gets me about this? Shouldn't we be more concerned
about why our foods are contaminated in the first place? Obviously,
every time we cook up a chicken for our family, we are handling a
contaminated piece of meat. It would seem that this would be a
problem for everyone who handles meat, not just those of us who feed
raw.

Hannah

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Renate <renate.tideswell@>
> wrote:
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> > She said there are a study that came out about 2 years ago
> > proving that raw fed dogs shed salmonella in their pooh,
> > but kibble fed dogs don't.
>
> >
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>

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8a. Re: frozen??
Posted by: "joan" joanlante@yahoo.ca joanlante
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:01 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "joan" <joanlante@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi...I'm a little new at this and my friend picked up some boxes of
> > frozen butcher scraps...now one box seems to be a mix of
bones...the
> > other sawed beef? and another sawed porc???
>
> Hi Joan,
> I would be more concerned over the box of bones. Most of the bones
> that i have seen at the meat locker are bare naked bones or darn close
> to it. Unless the bones are substantially different than the ones i'm
> use to seeing, i would be hesitant to feed them. KathyM
>

Kathy you were rigth...in the middle of the night one of my dogs
started pucking and I ran upstairs to find nothing but 2 pieces of
sawed not chewed bone on the carpet...I think I will be staying away
fox the bone boxes or will thaw so I can sorta see if there is any
dangers..good thing he pucked it because that size of bone would not of
come out of his rear end without damage...god I hope this doesn't
happen again...

joan

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9a. Re: skin/fat on pork shoulder plus question.
Posted by: "Lynda McLellan" lyndam950@telus.net lyndam22
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:13 pm ((PST))

My Dane guy will also swallow a whole chicken quarters or a narrow rack of ribs. So I feed him semi-frozen and he chews it up well. He also loves chewing nice meaty bone-sicles. My MT buries them if they are too cold. LOL!
Lynda

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10. Chew Toys etc
Posted by: "pgmgolfcoach" pgmgolfcoach@yahoo.com pgmgolfcoach
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:59 pm ((PST))

Hi There,

I am a soon to be new dog owner. Have had family dogs. But this is my
first puppy with husband. Our two cats are fed a RMB diet with sides
of organs etc.

And we plan to feed the puppy that, likely start her the day we get
her, cold turkey from the kibble.

I have 2 questions,

With a raw diet what difference is their between feeding a puppy and
an adult? Its so easy to find info regarding the awful kibble diet,
but not so much with raw feeding to puppies.

And what are some healthy appropriate toys for her especially for
chewing while teething? What have you had positive experiences with
in the toy department? Nylabones, Kongs etc.

TIA
Callista

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11. pro-raw vets
Posted by: "Monica Hughes" monicabeth10@yahoo.com monicabeth10
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:09 pm ((PST))

I am not sure if this question is appropriate for the list, but I hope so, and I hope someone can help me out.

I found a website listing "pro-raw" and "OK with raw" vets nationwide. Where I live in Colorado, there are no vets listed as "pro-raw." I could go with several of the "OK with raw" vets, but would really like one that is pro-raw. Are there are any Colorado people out there who have a pro-raw vet? If so, could you email me and let me know who your vet is, if you're willing to share? :) I live in the Denver area.

Incidentally, I picked up chicken leg quarters for 60 cents# today at Target! Hormone and antibiotic free. (It was the last package, though!) Who woulda thunk it? :)

Monica

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12. New Member intro with question
Posted by: "nanettechols" nanettechols@gmail.com nanettechols
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:39 pm ((PST))

Hi,
I live in St. Paul, MN USA

I have two St. Bernards and one St. Something along with two cats. One
of the Saints is a foster. We started our two dogs this week on
chicken backs and trying to get vegies down. One loves everything, one
is very picky.

So far not too much upset. My question:

My meat connection is going to be slaughtering a ewe - mutton. Is this
okay for the dogs?

Thanks for all your expertise.

Nanette
St. Paul

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