[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12447

There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Caught some good prices!
From: steph.sorensen

2a. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
From: katkellm
2b. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
From: becca1066
2c. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
From: carnesbill

3. a few questions/3rd or 4th week
From: marge

4a. Re: new whippet not hungry/picky eaters
From: Laurie Swanson

5a. Ground turkey from 2003...still okay?
From: h h

6.1. Re: worms
From: godkrittersnkids
6.2. Re: worms
From: merril Woolf

7a. Re: Switch of Feeding now eating other dogs poops
From: merril Woolf

8a. Re: Funny smell - bloodlike?
From: merril Woolf

9. new member needs help getting started on raw
From: lifted_trucks_21

10a. Re: Looking for a heavy duty grinder
From: costrowski75

11a. Re: new whippet not hungry
From: costrowski75

12a. Re: Gullet
From: costrowski75

13a. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: Ania Tysarczyk
13b. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: Heather
13c. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
From: costrowski75

14a. Re: vets
From: Melissa

15a. a BIG THANKS from a lurker
From: Sai Simonson

16. Re: Raw prices
From: Sai Simonson

17a. Re: How many times a week are eggs ok
From: solblr

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1a. Re: Caught some good prices!
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:18 pm ((PST))

I would forgo the sausage, simply because of the seasonings it
probably has in it. Most sausages are processed enough to give upset
tummy (pudding poops!). This is just my opinion though. I have bad
enough instances of pudding poop when I introduce a different protein
to my pit, much less give her something with additives.

-Steph and the girls

The other stuff is a good score though!

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "homesforallpets"
<homesforallpets@...> wrote:
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> 2 pks Chicken gizzards and hearts 1 for 79 cents the other for 96
cents
> Turkey necks for $2.18
> Turkey sausage for $1.69
>
> Is the sausage ok? Or should we just eat it?
>
> If we should eat it and not the dogs I'll make it tomorrow.
>
> Kathy in MO
>

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2a. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:18 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "w453angel2000" <w453angel@...> wrote:
I know there is a
> lot of differing opinions about whether dogs need fruit and veggies,
> so I'm not sure if I need to give them these or not. It seems like a
> good idea to add more nutrition, since my dogs are mainly on a
> chicken diet.

Hi Tari,
My opinion is that feeding any kind of veggie mix, no matter how well
intended, is actually not necessary and may actually be harmful
because the veggies occupy space in the dog's diet that would better
be filled with the food Mother Nature intended for carnivores to eat,
meat. Dogs are direct descendants of the grey wolf and are classified
as carnivores by, among others, The Smithsonian Institute. As
carnivores, our dogs have no dietary need for veggies. They obtain
the nutrients that they need from eating the animal that eats the
plants, not from actually eating plants. A dog does not have the flat
molars that are necessary to mash the cellulose that encases veggies
like plant eaters do. Their teeth are all sharp and pointy for
ripping and tearing. So, when you mash and cook veggies you are trying
to make them bioavailable to your dog. If carnivores were suppose to
eat veggies, Mother Nature would have endowed them with the equipment
to do it. She didn't leave the survival of a species hanging in the
balance until Billinghurst, or whoever, discovered mashing veggies.
The short digestive tract of a dog is meant to digest meat and not
veggies. The high acidic content of the dog's stomach is meant to
break down meat and bone. I think that it is really great that you
love your dogs enough to go to all the trouble to cook all that stuff
for them, but i think that you have been lead to believe that veggies
are necessary from buying into the belief that if its good for me, it
must be good for my dogs, and since i love them, i will go the extra
mile for them. A diet of strictly chicken is better, if that is what
is available to you, than adding veggies to an all chicken diet.
Honestly and truthfully and cross my heart, you won't improve the diet
nutritionally one iota by adding veggies. KathyM

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2b. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
Posted by: "becca1066" becca1066@yahoo.com becca1066
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:52 pm ((PST))

Tari, my Wally World has beef heart, pork kidney and liver, all around
1.00 a lb. There is also a store that will order beef heart for me,
vaccum packed 3 to a pkg. This is a great source of beef for your
dogs.

try to get connected with a rabbit breeder in your area-even if you
can only afford it occasionally this would be great for your pregnant
girl

becca

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2c. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:52 pm ((PST))

"w453angel2000" <w453angel@...> wrote:
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> I have been feeding raw for about 9 months now. I know there is a
> lot of differing opinions about whether dogs need fruit and
veggies,
> so I'm not sure if I need to give them these or not.
*****
To feed or not to feed is a choice. The reason for not feeding is
not based in choice but in science.

It seems like a
> good idea to add more nutrition, since my dogs are mainly on a
> chicken diet.
*****
Yes, it is a good idea entirely to consider additional sources of
nutrition. Vegetation however is not it. What nourishes a dog is
protein and fat. Redirect your energies to finding additional
meats. Simply by adding species appropriate pork and beef heart you
can increase the nutritional impact of your dogs' menu.

vegetables I can get 10 lb bags of chicken leg quarters at Wallie
> World for $4.70 and we go through a lot of those!
*****
You are wasting money and certainly fooling yourself into thinking
you are improving your dogs' lives by adding vegetation.

The mix you have created is impressive only in the amount of effort
it takes to provide nothing of value to your dogs.

Meat.
Meaty edible bones.
Organs.

That's all Ma Nature intended, that's all you need worry about.
Chris O

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2d. Re: Advice needed on how much to feed of this veggie-fruit mix I hav
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:44 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "w453angel2000" <w453angel@...>
wrote:
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> I have been feeding raw for about 9 months now. I know there is a
> lot of differing opinions about whether dogs need fruit
> and veggies, so I'm not sure if I need to give them these or not.

Tari,
Feeding of veggies is not an opinion, it is fact. Dog's do not need
fruits and veggies for many reasons, all of which have been
discussed here many many times.

The proponents of feeding veggies somehow got the idea that wild
dogs/wolves get the vegatable material from the stomach contents of
the prey they eat. Scientific studies of wild wolves have proved
this to be untrue. Our own experiences with feeding our dogs whole
animals backs these studies up.

For just a second, lets suspend reality. Let's say that wild
dogs/wolves actually do eat stomach contents. What would they be
eating. Certainly not the items you have listed in your post of
items you use. Instead, they would be eating partially digested
grass, weeds, leaves and twigs. Not very nutritious sounding, huh?
Sooooo ... if you wish to feed the veggie material that wild
dogs/wolves MIGHT get, feed those items, not the stuff you have
listed. I hereby declare reality unsuspended. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3. a few questions/3rd or 4th week
Posted by: "marge" marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com marge_moriarty17551
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:18 pm ((PST))

Happy new year everyone, I too wish to extend my thanks for
everyone's feedback and suggestion.

I have been raw feeding Foxy and Pepper going on four weeks now. A
little over a week ago I began to introduce pork. Foxy is good with
this but as I increased the amount Pepper began to have some
vomitting. Nothing serious and it cleared up when I backed off and
increased the chicken. I have successfully fed them steak also.
Yesterday I gave theme each a spoonful of salmon...I didn't want to
overdo it. I am glad I only gave a spoonful as Foxy got pretty
runny. Again, nothing serious. I am going to combine the pork and
chicken to ease the transition. I will also add more beef.

How have others introduced fish? Should I continue to push
pork...is cutting back and increasing the amount the right way to go?

In terms of poop...it's always about the poop!!! Foxy is fine but
Pepper goes very little. Maybe once or twice a week. I do not feed
him much bone. I might feed on the lower side of the recommended
amount. He does not seem constipated (as he has in times past). He
has however, gone on a walk...tried to poo, finishes with no
results, and continues on his way. He does not keep trying and
seems happy. He even has a bit more spunk in his step. He just
doesn't poop much.

Another thing. Given the guy are mini poos they only need between
6-7 ounces a day...I don't feel I get to give them any real big
hunks of meat. the only real big thing I have given them were the
pork shoulder bones to clean. I wondered how others with smaller
dogs might challenge their dogs with bigger food...without over
feeding.

Well, thanks in advance!!!!
Marge

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4a. Re: new whippet not hungry/picky eaters
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:19 pm ((PST))

Hi Christine,

I'm glad she's playful and happy. You may want to try another meat,
and you can also try warming (in a baggie in warm water) or lightly
searing the chicken or topping it with parmesan cheese or something.
But you probably also want to be careful not to create a picky eater at
this point. Variety is great, learning her food preferences is good,
and feeding as much of what she likes as you can, is fine. But she is
smart, and if at the first sight of her not eating as much as you want
her to, you rush to find something else to tempt her, she will always
be waiting to see what might be coming next. This will make your life
difficult! :-)

Also, if she has access to kibble, that can make the transition more
difficult. Kibble has addictive things in it like grains, starches,
flavorings, etc. Even plain, cooked meat has a stronger aroma and
flavor than raw. She also might not get hungry enough to want raw.
It's kind of like if we have the choice between veggies and junk food--
hard to make the right choice, especially at first when your taste buds
are used to junk.

You didn't say how old she is, and this might affect how tough you want
to be with her. In general, for a healthy adult dog, just put the food
down, if it's not being eaten within about 15 mins., take it up, put it
back in the frig or freezer, and feed it again next meal. Repeat until
eaten. She won't starve.

Let us know how it goes and if you need more help.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "christinegenova" <geauxgirl@...>
wrote:
She had a little bit of it
> today (not too much), and I have resorted to kibble to supplement.
She ate some of that
> too, but also a small portion. I would like to pick up something
more tantalizing. Any
> suggestions?

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5a. Ground turkey from 2003...still okay?
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:46 pm ((PST))

How do you know when old is too old? I mean, that was 4 years ago. :)
Anyone got a general cutoff between "OK" and "Throw Away"?
~~~~~~~
My rule of thumb:
If it has been frozen for four five, or more years--still fine to feed dogs,
If it has been sitting in the back of the fridge for four years--toss it

There have actually been several incidences in modern times where frozen mammoth was found in good enough condition (hadn't thawed and refroze umpteen times) to be eaten by humans. So a few years in the freezer aint nothing. <g>

HEIDI MARIE
~with the woofs-Cheyenne and Lazy B~
~and the moggies-Minerva, Shasta, and Misty-Jo~

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6.1. Re: worms
Posted by: "godkrittersnkids" godkrittersnkids@yahoo.com godkrittersnkids
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:49 pm ((PST))

EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.

DE sounds wonderful but is totally new to me, a nearly raw feeding
mom! It sounds as tho' this might qualify as OT...so could someone
please point me/us in that direction??

Thank you, and a Happy New Year to all!!

Linda, Jack, Lonnie & Annie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Barb" <behaven1@...> wrote:
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> My last litter of raw fed/vacc. free pups had roundworms! Big
healthy
> (but dead) roundworms! Good old diatomaceous earth to their rescue!
> Dead worms.They pooped out dead worms after a week or so on DE!

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6.2. Re: worms
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:50 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "DENISE HARMON" <Harmonydobes1@...> wrote:
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> My dogs got worms from eating Rabbits. It was very expensive to deworm them
because of the specific worm the rabbits carry. I will not feed WHOLE rabbits again. I do
feed them skinned and gutted rabbits and have never had another problem. This case is
not just random. I can state cases where many many dogs were infected with this worm
from whole rabbits. I choose to be very careful when it comes to rabbits.
>
> Dee Harmon

My dogs have occasionally gotten tape worm from jack rabbits they've caught. Not every
time, but on occasion.
Since droncit is now available in a generic form, I keep some on hand in case any of my
dogs show up with tape worm.

The benefits they get from the jack rabbits far outweighs the occasional worming I have to
do....and my dogs would agree.

Never had them get any worms from anything else though.

Merril

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7a. Re: Switch of Feeding now eating other dogs poops
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:50 pm ((PST))

>
> My totally unscientific and unproven and not backed up by anything
> opinion about this is ... dogs tend to be attracted to the poop of
> kibble fed dogs because of the undigested nutrients still in kibble
> poop. Raw fed dogs have little or no undigested nutrients in their
> poop so raw fed poop isn't attractive unless they have been fed some
> indigestable stuff like veggies or something.
>
> The dog who is doing the eating doesn't have anything missing in his
> diet, he just smells food in the poop and is going after it like he
> would go after any food anywhere he finds it.
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

That's been my totally unscientific opinion too. From all the watching and reading I've
done, I've come to the conclusion it has something to do with the grains in the processed
food stools that attract other processed fed dogs to it.

I've only ever had one stool eater and it was a deerhound who would not eat raw. She just
wanted kibble so that's what we fed her. She also was a horrible stool eater.

None of my other dogs have ever done it and actually think the stools of kibble fed dogs
quite disgusting if the wide birth they give to any big nasty stools in their way is anything
to go by.

I also have a good friend who used to feed kibble and her dogs had to wear muzzles when
out in the yard or they'd clean up the yard for her...and often vomit back the contents of
the yard in her house. They did this for years until finally my friend - beaten down by me
- changed her dogs over to raw. All her stool eaters stopping the nasty habit and she's
never had another one do it since.
She and I both have many dogs so it's not just one or two dogs we're talking about here.

My friend is now a died-in-the-wool raw feeder because of that one thing that
stopped....amoung the many other benefits of course.

Merril

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8a. Re: Funny smell - bloodlike?
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:51 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "eventer2001" <eventer2001@...> wrote:
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> The 5 month old newf has been eating raw since I got him just over 2
> months ago. Lately we had instances of smelling
> something coming from the pup... the paramedic hubby says it smells a
> bit like blood. There is no blood in his stools. . no problems with energy and we
> aren't SEEING any discharge of blood either in stools or in vomit. So
> where could the smell be coming from? Any ideas?

> Tammy
> & Reilly

Check his mouth......bet he's teething.

When my pups have a blood like smell about them and they didn't just chow down on a
bloody haunch of something, it's usually because they just lost a tooth or two or have
another coming in and the gums are irritated. They could especially be a bit bloody if the
pup was chewing on a good bone while teething and the chewing losened a few teeth and
caused a bit of bleeding along the gumline.

5 months if right around the age of teething too so this was my first thought.

Merril

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9. new member needs help getting started on raw
Posted by: "lifted_trucks_21" lifted_trucks_21@yahoo.com lifted_trucks_21
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 7:52 pm ((PST))

hello everyone. i hope to learn alot about raw diets and how i should
begin with my own. i have heard about raw but never really looked into
it just because i owned a black lab for 15 years and he was fine on
dry and wet canned never had any issues. but my 9 year old wolf
malamute is having some issues. when he was a pup he was fine on dry
and canned. than maybe when he started to turn 5 we noticed he started
getting hot spots well atleast it looked like it. since then every
other year he seems to need to go to the vet for some skin irriations.
medicines make him sick. all the topicals he licks off. i started him
on garlic and yeast tablets for a flea problem we had in a rental
house and he didnt have any skin issues once we fixed the flea problem
and he got glucos tablets because he had a neck injury or shoulder
injury and need alot more help with his joints. this beginning winter
this is the worst he has ever gotten. im tired of my poor suffering
and having to go to the vet and only solve the problem for a short
time. where do i start. i heard raw food can help with skin and
allergies. please how much does he need per day? how much does a 120lb
boy need per day? which brands are good but cost affective im also
feeding a 1200lb horse this winter?? thank you very much. mari

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10a. Re: Looking for a heavy duty grinder
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:24 pm ((PST))

"bettathang" <bettathang@...> wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good grinder that can grind bone?
*****
You probably should repost this to the RawCat list, since the need for
grinders is often legit due to recalcitrant kitties. I've no doubt the
recommedations are there.

Any grinder recommedations from the rawfeeding membership should be
offered privately.
Thanks.
Chris o
Mod Team

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11a. Re: new whippet not hungry
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:33 pm ((PST))

"christinegenova" <geauxgirl@...> wrote:
>I have resorted to kibble to supplement. She ate some of that
> too, but also a small portion. I would like to pick up something
more tantalizing. Any
> suggestions?
*****
I'm not Laurie but I suggest you get the kibble out of the house. Your
pup will not benefit from kibble and she will not be harmed by eating
when she's hungry. When you think she should be hungry and when she is
hungry may be two different times entirely.

You do not have to find something more tantilizing. What you have to
do is not play her game. When she is hungry the food you offer will be
tantilizing. Make sure you are not feeding too much food, make sure
what you're feeding isn't hurting her mouth. If everything is good,
stop fussing.

Really.
Chris O

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12a. Re: Gullet
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 8:40 pm ((PST))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
The one that I ordered is looked at here
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>

http://www.hare-today.com/product_info.php?products_id=178
>
> You can see the pictures,but i do not think it is batterflied on
this one.
*****
These from hare-today look larger than the ones I got, and these have
more of the trachea attached (or whatever the tube-y section is). Yes,
please send me your evaluation when your order arrives.
Chris O

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13a. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "Ania Tysarczyk" AniaJRT@sbcglobal.net aniajrt
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:01 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Heather" <newbeginnings06@...>
wrote:
> There is no way to feed a mouse/rat/guinea pig/etc a special diet
to
> meet the needs of a reptile. They are fed lab blocks, pretty much
a
> vitamin/mineral mix and grains such as corn (in low quality
blocks),
> wheat, soy, possibly oats, all compressed together in a convenient
> square shape.

****But some farms do not feed blocks but instead feed very low
quality commercial food that includes red #40, chemical
preservatives and other nasty stuff. That's what you need to watch
out for. That is bed for reptiles and dogs/cats alike.

> been tested yet. Very, very few people (as in 2) in the 6000 or so
> on a rodent forum I visit feed a whole foods/natural diet to their
> rats/mice and must still supplement with blocks, children's
vitamins
> or organic dog food a few times a week. It is very difficult. I
have
> tried and failed. All my animals lost weight on it.. it's ALOT of
> work and trying to feed something each day to cover this and that
> nutrient is hard when a rat's stomach is only about as big as your
> thumb from the tip to first joint. It's not as easy as feeding a
> carnivore whose food contains all essential nutrients vs feeding
> plant foods that each have certain vitamins and minerals that
others
> don't.
>
> Heather
>

****I bred and raised both rats and mice for many years for my
reptiles and never once fed a lab block or vitamins. I had a bunch
of fat, healthy and happy rodents, so I'm confused as to the
statement above. My rats really ate only lefovers and food trash
from the house, my horses grain and some birdseed.

By the way, I found them incredibly easy to raise.

Ania

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13b. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 10:42 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Ania Tysarczyk" <AniaJRT@...>
wrote:
> ****But some farms do not feed blocks but instead feed very low
> quality commercial food that includes red #40, chemical
> preservatives and other nasty stuff. That's what you need to watch
> out for. That is bed for reptiles and dogs/cats alike.

Some backyard breeders/suppliers will feed cheap dog food to their
animals, true. But the reputable places online in question, like RP,
feed blocks.

> ****I bred and raised both rats and mice for many years for my
> reptiles and never once fed a lab block or vitamins. I had a bunch
> of fat, healthy and happy rodents, so I'm confused as to the
> statement above. My rats really ate only lefovers and food trash
> from the house, my horses grain and some birdseed.

There is a big difference raising rats/mice for food (in which health
and longevity isn't an issue) and keeping as pets. Over time, a diet
being deficient in proper nutrients can lower the immune system,
paving the way for mycoplasmosis flare ups, which can turn into
pnuemonia, and can cause uterine infections in females among other
things. Improper diet also leads to obesity which links up with a
whole 'nother slew of health problems. Since feeder breeders just cull
out the sick ones and never get them veterinary care, it's not really
a concern.

Heather

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13c. Re: Is this going to be a balanced diet.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:28 am ((PST))

ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN ADMIN

Please take the care and feeding of small rodents to an appropriate
list, or private. A reminder that the diet of prey animals affects our
dogs and cats is sufficient; details are not necessary.
Thanks.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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14a. Re: vets
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2008 9:11 pm ((PST))

The vet we go to is raw supportive, but he also sees kibble fed dogs.
He told me that he sees the raw fed dogs a max of once and year, and
there is usually nothing wrong with them, while the kibble fed dogs
come in frequently and with a myriad of problems. So, I think you are
right!

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Heather" <newbeginnings06@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Loraine Jesse <rothburg@> wrote:
> > I am very curious if there has been a stud done on how many times
> that raw fed, min. vaccinated dogs or, not vaccinated at all dogs
> actually have made to Vets.

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15a. a BIG THANKS from a lurker
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:16 am ((PST))

Hi Jihad,

Is it not truly wonderful how the internet and the groups there can help
our lives and the lives of our loved ones?
I dabbled in part raw for many years. After finally getting my Borzois
due to divorce, they are now totally on raw and loving this.

As for the cat, she firmly days, NO! even though I have successfully
raised 3 other cats on raw.

Continue to read and learn here. Amazingly dedicated caring and did we
mention patient people post here.

Sai in Oregon
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16. Re: Raw prices
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 12:17 am ((PST))

Sent my SO out Winco yesterday. He did well following my directions for
staying under 98 cents/lb until the pork steak bin was empty. He
decided to substitute with expensive beef roasts. So sorry puppies, I
shall be having one of the roasts tomorrow. Some men can shop, not mine.

Sai
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I don't buy whole chickens. I buy chicken backs in bulk .25/lb. I
buy chicken quarters at Walmart .47/lb. I don't buy whole turkeys.
I buy turkey necks or wings in bulk for around .50 to .60/lb(price
fluctuates). I don't buy ground beef, instead I buy beef heart in
bulk around .50 - .70/lb(price fluctuates). I do buy pork butt and
other pork roasts. I feed venison that I can beg off my friends for
free (last years and year before deer). I also take any old meat I
can talk friends out of. I use freecycle. I don't under any
conditions buy any pre-made dog food. I can feed 2 Great Danes and
2 cats for about $60 - $70/mo.

Because of the money I save getting some of the cheap stuff I can
buy them more expensive meats sometimes when on sale. I have bought
t-bone steaks, serloin steaks, cube steaks, and beef roasts as well
as other pork cuts. These are all from the grocery store at cheaper
than average sales.

(And they say men can't shop!) :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
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17a. Re: How many times a week are eggs ok
Posted by: "solblr" solblr@yahoo.com solblr
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 1:20 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
>Thanx a ton. I feel more in control now

Vanita

> >Is it better to remove the whites & feed only the yolks as i've
read
> that the biotin in whites is a problem for dogs.
>
> this issue comes up frequently when there is Egg topic as
well,so,if you wanted to read more on detail,search in the past
posts about this too.
>
> But that being said, feeding york and white together is totaly
ok. to causedeficiency thing,I think people needs to feed tonz tonz
of Egg to dogs.
>
> as long as dog can torelate and if your dogs were not on "loose
weight" plan,I think you are ok to feed as many as you want.
>
> and,you can feed shell to dog if you like. I don't give shell
though because she gets calcium from bone in diet. To give shell or
not to give shell is up to owners.
>
> yassy
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