[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12450

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
From: Itzel Vazquez
1b. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
From: divasdesignerstore

2.1. Re: Scary Website
From: Gaye Amick

3a. Re: anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
From: bettathang
3b. Re: anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
From: spricketysprock
3c. anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
From: Michelle G. Heimendinger

4. Re: Was: new member needs help getting started on raw/ Now :...
From: boswellrt@aol.com

5a. Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
From: Alexis
5b. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
From: Sandee Lee
5c. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
From: jjareski
5d. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
From: carnesbill

6a. Re: Pics of my dogs eating raw used in anti-raw blog post
From: bettathang
6b. Re: Pics of my dogs eating raw used in anti-raw blog post
From: petartist1021
6c. Re: Pics of my dogs eating raw used in anti-raw blog post
From: spricketysprock

7. good bones for teeth cleaning
From: Mary Tinder

8.1. Newbie
From: skcreedon
8.2. Re: Newbie
From: Sandee Lee
8.3. Re: Newbie
From: skcreedon

9.1. Re: liver
From: Sherrel Leininger

10a. Re: How to fix/prevent toes turning out?
From: merril Woolf

11a. Re: Raw Bacon
From: ginny wilken

12.1. Re: tripe
From: ginny wilken

13a. runs
From: Nanette

14. Horse Turds
From: Loraine Jesse

15. Chicago Area
From: skcreedon

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1a. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
Posted by: "Itzel Vazquez" justfabulousss@yahoo.ca justfabulousss
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 4:54 pm ((PST))

Thanks guys!

Tomorrow morning, I'll give him his meat for the day and we will see how it goes. Then, I'll change the feeding time around. I'll let you know how it goes!

I'm watching him eat as I type and it is so much fun! He's been at it for 40 minutes with a RMB... so much better than the 40 seconds it took him with kibble!

Itzel, Dumpling (the pug) and Dim Sum (the tonkinese cat)

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1b. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
Posted by: "divasdesignerstore" divasdesignerstore@yahoo.com divasdesignerstore
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:08 pm ((PST))

Hi,

I am new here but have been feeding 5 pugs a raw diet for about 3
years now. So here's my 2 cents on the subject. I think it may be a
pug thing where they think they are hungry all day. When I first
switched mine they loved it so much everytime I walked into the
kitchen it was a stampeed. They would literally knock me over
thinking they were getting fed again.
I feed them twice a day, Once in the morning and once at dinner time.
But at lunch time I give them all a dish of peeled carrots, apples,
green beans, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, etc. I vary it for them. They
don't actually digest this stuff when it's fed like this, doesn't
really add any pounds on them either, great thing for pugs, but it
makes them feel full enough that they can wait until their next meal.
Like I said just my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps!
Audrey :)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "justfabulousss"
<justfabulousss@...> wrote:
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> Hello!
>
> I've been lurking and reading as much as possible in the last six
> weeks. Last week, I made the switch for my 7-year-old pug. My
> tonkinese cat is at the "50% raw 50% crap-in-a-bag" stage. I am
> very proud of both of them and their health is great, no loose
> stools or other to report and they look like they are enjoying
their
> meals very much!
>
> However, my pug's love for the diet keeps him begging for more.
The
> minute I walk in the kitchen, he gets all excited. If I'm
somewhere
> else, he'll go in the kitchen and whine. This is very anoying and
I
> hope it gets better soon.
>
> I am feeding him organic non-castrated pig that I scored at 0.75$ a
> pound (which is cheaper than chicken here right now). His ideal
> weight is at 18 pounds and so I feed about half a pound divided in
> two servings. The two servings was to help him digest this new
food
> in the beggining, but maybe I can already switch him to one meal
per
> day to help him feel more full. What do you think?
>
> Thank you all for being there!!! I'm enjoying reading about raw
> feeding so much!
>
> Itzel, Dumpling (the pug) and Dim Sum (the tonkinese cat)
>

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2.1. Re: Scary Website
Posted by: "Gaye Amick" northernskychar@netzero.com northernskyacademy
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 5:14 pm ((PST))

I actually am in the purchasing stages of converting to raw and
therefore haven't actually started but I felt this website was
not "fact" based.

She never mentions (well does once) where she got her information
All she says is Vets (which ones, how many, which university), Study
(what study and by whom) and that "she" gathered information (from
where).

When she refers to the different types of wolves in the wild...Well
yes, the get distemper, mange, rabies etc., and they will die from
the diseases because there are no vaccinations or health care.

Yes wild pups don't have a high survival rate,because, there is no
health care, regular source of food and live where there are
predator's.

Yes, some wolves are thin because there isn't a regular consistant
source of food available. Basically, food is scarce at times.

Yes, wolves get worms etc.. their foods are not
processed/grown/regulated in ways the foods we feed (will feed) have
been.

All in all I think the woman needs to do more solid research.

Defending raw and haven't even started,
Gaye

Yes, wolves die young sometimes for the above reasons.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, onnie <tempore45@...> wrote:
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> My friend and I raw feed our dogs. She found this
> website and is quite concerned. I've read through it
> but I'm no expert. Help! They say a lot of bad things
> about raw feeding and and I don't know what to
> think....
>
> http://secondchanceranch.org/rawmeat.html
>
> Thank you for your help!
> Bonnie
>

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3a. Re: anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
Posted by: "bettathang" bettathang@yahoo.com bettathang
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 5:14 pm ((PST))

> "spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@> wrote:>
> > Has anyone come across this website?
> > http://www.secondchanceranch.com/training/raw_meat/index.html
> >
> > Just curious what your thoughts are...

It just seems REALLY fishy to me that she mentions being some kind
of food broker/advocate or something for a company that doesn't make
raw food. Even though she claims not to be directly compensated for
it, I just don't see that happening. From her OWN website FAQ's:

*****Do you sell Flint River Ranch or do you own interest in a
commercial kibble company?

No. I do not own stock or interest in any commercial kibble
company. No one sells FRR except for the company itself. They have a
program where you can sign up to be a "distributor", but you never
handle the food. It's simply a referral system where the company
gives you a small commission for sending them new customers. In my
case, the commission goes directly to my non-profit animal rescue
organization, Second Chance Ranch (less than $100/month).********

Right, REAL credible.

Just my thoughts :)
-Heidi and the gang

BTW, I am currently finishing my degree in Biology at the University
of Illinois and will be applying for vet school this fall....so I
consider myself to be somewhat above the "uneducated" raw meat
advocates she loves to cite.

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3b. Re: anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:12 pm ((PST))

I'm in yahoo groups... isn't that necessary for this list? Anyway
that's a lot of links!! Look forward to reading.

Jess & Toby

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3c. anti-raw website... curious as to your thoughts?
Posted by: "Michelle G. Heimendinger" michelle@hdinger.com michellegallik
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:55 pm ((PST))

Ok, I am a newbie been reading the posts for over a week and have had
some thoughts about the quality of meat. I Many members seem to be
finding great deals on bulk meats and obviously they are not organic.
Feeding entirely organic of course if prohibitive to most people let
alone animals.

Do most folks have any idea of what chemicals are being fed to feedlot
animals ? I live in WA and get my organic meats directly from a farmer
I know - he's told me some awful stories. I have no real issues
w/parasites and worms because if you or the animal is in good gut health
it will pass right through. BUT, what about all the chemicals (most
slaughterhouses now chemically spray the carcasses to kill the Ecoli 157
- and that takes a lot) and of course

Antibiotics - that has to have some long term effect on animals ?

Michelle

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4. Re: Was: new member needs help getting started on raw/ Now :...
Posted by: "boswellrt@aol.com" boswellrt@aol.com boswellsbordercollies
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 5:31 pm ((PST))

Thank you Kathy we hunt so we can keep any parts we want. I was told not to
feed the larger bones but could the dogs use them to just chew on for
recreation.


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5a. Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
Posted by: "Alexis" alexis78@gmail.com tiger_girl78
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 5:31 pm ((PST))

I gave my 75lb hound/husky mix his first meal of raw chicken leg
quarters on Friday and learned the hard way that feeding him in his
play room is not a good idea. At least we have hard wood floors but he
dragged the meat and bone all over the floor and onto his bed. I'm
concerned about the possibility of salmonella, etc. My family thinks
I'm nuts for feeding him raw meat and obviously the indoor thing was a
mistake....any suggestions for keeping the mess 'contained.' :)
Thanks!

Alexis & Cassius

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5b. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:05 pm ((PST))

There is no more concern about Salmonella than there was with whatever he
was eating previously. However, you might want to pick a spot for him to
eat, thrown down a tablecloth, rug, towel, blanket...anything you can easily
throw in the washer once in a while...and teach him to eat at that spot.
Easy!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Alexis" <alexis78@gmail.com>

I gave my 75lb hound/husky mix his first meal of raw chicken leg
quarters on Friday and learned the hard way that feeding him in his
play room is not a good idea. At least we have hard wood floors but he
dragged the meat and bone all over the floor and onto his bed. I'm
concerned about the possibility of salmonella, etc. My family thinks
I'm nuts for feeding him raw meat and obviously the indoor thing was a
mistake....any suggestions for keeping the mess 'contained.' :)

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5c. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
Posted by: "jjareski" jjareski1@hotmail.com jjareski
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:11 pm ((PST))

EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.

I crate my 2 it's just easier. When I used a blanket they would run
off and eat where they pleased.

Josie

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5d. Re: Feeding Indoors? I'm a Newbie
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:55 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Alexis" <alexis78@...> wrote:
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> I'm concerned about the possibility of salmonella, etc.

Funny thing is that we get daily posts from
people "concerned", "worried", "scared to death", "terrified", etc
about salmonella. I don't remember ever seeing a post saying "My
dog has salmonella" You will soon learn that samonella, E-coli, etc
is just not a problem when feeding raw assuming you wash your hands
as you would after handling raw meat for humans.

> My family thinks
> I'm nuts for feeding him raw meat and obviously the indoor
> thing was a mistake....any suggestions for keeping
> the mess 'contained.'

I have 2 Great Danes that eat every meal inside. They both eat
wherever they want. When they finish eating, they will clean their
own mess then swap places and clean the other dog's place. I think
the secret is to make sure when they finish, they still want
more. :) :) :)

Many people will babygate the dogs in the kitchen, many feed in
crates, many will put down a towel or plastic table cloth or shower
curtain. It's easy to teach the dog to eat on something in a
certain place.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Re: Pics of my dogs eating raw used in anti-raw blog post
Posted by: "bettathang" bettathang@yahoo.com bettathang
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 5:31 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, K Carolyn Ramamurti <> I'm not
thrilled with this, but my photos do have a Creative Commons
> license on them, which allows them to be used as long as I am given
> proper credit.

Oh boy, I would be really steamed if I were you. I feel pretty lucky
that most good chinese crested (my breed) sites will at least discuss
raw and how good it is for their skin. Remind me NEVER to post a pick
of my Lab eating a delicious meaty chunk; I don't have nearly the
patience that you do.

-Heidi
(George and Gaston)

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6b. Re: Pics of my dogs eating raw used in anti-raw blog post
Posted by: "petartist1021" mwmbox@iinet.net.au petartist1021
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:09 pm ((PST))

>I'm not thrilled with this, but my photos do have a Creative Commons
> > license on them, which allows them to be used as long as I am given
> > proper credit.

At least it gives us a chance to comment on the stupidity of the post:)

Michelle, Tia and Taj
http://turbotaj.blogspot.com

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6c. Re: Pics of my dogs eating raw used in anti-raw blog post
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:12 pm ((PST))

MODERATOR'S NOTE: SIGN YOUR MESSAGES!

> Courtney <courtneypo@...> wrote:
> Pics of my dogs eating lamb heads have been blogged at
> http://dailydachshund.blogspot.com as an example of why the author is
> against raw.

The author wrote to me and she isn't actually against raw, the photo
was used more for humor. She isn't PRO raw but has no strong feelings
either way. Just putting that out there so she doesn't get bombarded
with more comments!

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7. good bones for teeth cleaning
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 5:32 pm ((PST))

Any suggestions on the best type and species bones for scouring the
teeth?

Mary T

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8.1. Newbie
Posted by: "skcreedon" skcreedon@aol.com skcreedon
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:08 pm ((PST))

Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this group and relatively new to raw feeding. Our new
rescue golden had many things wrong, allergies, etc. Briefly, we
have been seeing a vet who, along with holistic meds, had us feeing him
a "100% raw bison diet"orthwest Naturals) I was under the impression
after he regained his health we could transition into a half raw half
dry diet (low carb) diet. This is not the case. I have been given a
booklet with recipes but I must admit I'm feeling overwhelmed. He
needs to be on a carb free diet and I am not to use chicken or beef
but a "rare" protein source. Do all raw recipes require 10 ingredients
and things like "turkey heart". I look forward to learn much from all
of you.
Susan Creedon

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8.2. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:18 pm ((PST))

Susan,

This is the reason we don't recommend getting feeding instructions from a
vet, holistic or not! How ridiculous...you don't need a recipe sheet or 10
ingredients to properly feed your dog. It is so simple, a child could do
it. Dogs need meat, bones and organs just as they eat in nature. No
recipes, no mixing or measuring, just nice whole raw goods.

Dogs have no need for carbs so feeding a dry processed diet wouldn't be
appropriate, but neither was the Northwest Naturals with all of it's carb
laden ingredients and additives.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "skcreedon" <skcreedon@aol.com>
I'm new to this group and relatively new to raw feeding. Our new
rescue golden had many things wrong, allergies, etc. Briefly, we
have been seeing a vet who, along with holistic meds, had us feeing him
a "100% raw bison diet"orthwest Naturals) I was under the impression
after he regained his health we could transition into a half raw half
dry diet (low carb) diet. This is not the case. I have been given a
booklet with recipes but I must admit I'm feeling overwhelmed. He
needs to be on a carb free diet and I am not to use chicken or beef
but a "rare" protein source. Do all raw recipes require 10 ingredients
and things like "turkey heart". I look forward to learn much from all
of you.

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8.3. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "skcreedon" skcreedon@aol.com skcreedon
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:55 pm ((PST))

Oh THANK YOU so much....my head has stopped throbing at the thought of
those recipes. Any supplements if there are no fruit and vegetable?
You a a headache saver. :-)
Susan Creedon

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9.1. Re: liver
Posted by: "Sherrel Leininger" meawolf50@yahoo.com meawolf50
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:08 pm ((PST))

I am very new here too but I recently found something my dobe Daisy decided was not fit for canine consumption, pork hearts. For 3 meals I gave it to her and she would guard it but not eat it. So I cut it up into "bite sized" pieces and mixed it with stew meat. She gobbled it down in record time.

Maybe you could do something like this.

Sherrel, Daisy and Lilly

In a message dated 12/30/2007 9:01:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
coldbeach@gmail. com writes:

No idea yet how to get them to eat it or the kidneys for that matter...
May have to nuke it next if i don't puke from the smell first *blech*

Trina,

they are picking up on your revulsion.. you need to get a handle on your
emotions. as long as you have strong reactions to the organ meats your dogs won't
eat them no matter what you do to them.

put them in food bowls, do whatever you need to to keep yourself in check.
And when the dogs are eating go somewhere else, another room or something so
you won't upset them further. Give them about half an hour to eat and if they
don't pick it up, cover it and put in the fridge until their next meal.

or chunk it and mix it with green tripe.. again, with you in another room to
keep your emotions from upsetting the dogs..

Catherine R.

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10a. Re: How to fix/prevent toes turning out?
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:08 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "petartist1021" <mwmbox@...> wrote:
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> Hi everyone
>
> I have a five month old male BC (pedigree) who I transitioned to raw
> from 9 weeks of age, he also gets a small handful of good quality
> kibble four or five times per week (just in case I miss anything).
>
> The problem I am having is that his toes/lower legs are turning out,
> and I want to know what role diet (can play in this - as in what can I
> do to fix it? I don't think this is a genetics issue, (both parents
> hip and elbow e-rayed with no issues) so I think I am doing something
> wrong, or not getting his amounts correct.
>
> Michelle

If toeing in or out was diet related, those kibble companies would have a lot of 'splaining
to do.

Toeing out is actually desirable from a working point of view but I can see why it would
bother you if you were just looking to have his toes point straight ahead.

Toss out the 'handful of kibble' and just keep feeding him all the good stuff. Junk food is
still junk food and even a handful is useless in his diet.

I've been breeding and raising dogs for many a year and the only toeing out I had was
genetic and was not considered a bad thing except by the ill-informed show judges who
don't understand working conformation.

All my dogs have toes that face forward, but I don't worry when I see a toed out working
dog....it just makes them more functional.

I know that didn't help you, but feeding raw doesn't cause toeing out.....or all mine would
have been doing that for mucho years now.

Good luck with your working dog. :-))

Merril

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11a. Re: Raw Bacon
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:51 pm ((PST))

On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:23 PM, adkjoe17 wrote:

> I have two packages of Raw Bacon in my freezer. I don't eat bacon and
> was going to give it away but I was wondering if I could feed it to my
> pup. I havn't seen much talk about bacon and I would assume that you
> wouldn't want to give much since it is so fatty but is it ok to add a
> few raw slices of bacon to a couple of the dogs meals here and there
> until it is gone? I wouldn't feed a whole meal of bacon or even on a
> daily basis but every once and a while should be ok right?
>
> Joe
>
>

Yes, but: raw bacon is a very rare bird, and what you have is likely
cured with chemical solutions, or smoked, or flavored with artificial
smoke. So, why feed this? If it's OK with you to eat it, do so, but
spare the pups.

OTOH, if this is uncured, nitrite-free, lightly authentically smoked,
etc, then all you'd need to worry about is added sugar and salt. This
could be a OK snack, but I wouldn't add it to meals for fear it would
spoil their taste for plain, unsalted, and sugar-free meals.

Not such a great deal all around, but, that said, Tomo and I eat
Niman Ranch applewood smoked uncured raw bacon, raw. But not often:)

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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12.1. Re: tripe
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 6:57 pm ((PST))

On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:06 PM, atmanandadevotee wrote:

> unfortunatly, green tripe is not allowed in france, you can only buy
> white tripe, is it worth it or not for the dog from a nutritional
> point
> of vew ?
> darshana
>

No, but look around for a farm butcher if you like. The owner of
Greentripe.com obtained her lovely line of Afghans from a woman in
the north of France who was feeding whole tripes before almost
anyone, and she chronicled her life with dogs in a privately
published book. In one chapter she describes being well left alone by
the randy Nazi soldiers, because she dressed plainly and was always
stinking of animal body parts she had hauled home from the farmers.

Things may have changed somewhat, but this heritage needs to be
honored in its birthplace:)

Have fun,

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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13a. runs
Posted by: "Nanette" nanettechols@gmail.com nanettechols
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:13 pm ((PST))

Hi,

I'm the one with a St. Bernard (picky) and a St. Something (English
Setter?). AND the foster on Kibble with lots of problems too numerous
to discuss here.

We went raw with our two boys (Hagrid and Petey) last week and are on
our 9th or 10th day.

Pete (80lb mix) - He's been like a real dog with this. We started with
chicken backs cause I could get them for free from a farmer I buy our
meat from. He takes it and rips it and works it and has been having
the perfect stools. I've kept up the bone ratio to try and stave off
the runs. We switched Pete - the more vivacious and seemingly unranked
to turkey backs three days ago. (I cut off most of the carcass and
left the back where the meat was) I then mixed in some turkey necks.
The turkey backs are much meatier than the chicken backs and take him
hours to get through. Tonight I was preparing to give him much more
meat. (After reading this list and watching him, he seemed to be doing
well) I bought chicken breasts and leg/thighs for him tonight. When I
got home from work, he had done some squirting in his kennel. I
couldn't see much but definitely smelled it. He then ran outside and
squirted and pooped, etc.. FYI: He's a poop eater. :( I've been
watching and since we went raw, he hasn't indulged himself. Well,
tonight after the runs today, he decided to eat some of his foster
sisters poop (apparently). I didn't know this but he asked to go out
again and I watched to see how much running was left. While he was
squatting he projectile vomited in the back yard loosing the entire
contents of his morning meal plus, guess what? poop! I went and looked
and there was poop in with the turkey and bones. I'm fasting him
tonight. Should I do anything else? I don't know if I should stick
with the plan and give him turkey breasts and leg/thighs tomorrow or
what?

Hagrid - 125lb St. Bernard - Very picky eater (always has been). When
we were in training with him he wanted to play with the other dogs
more than he wanted the liver, french fried, steak whatever super
treats we'd brought - nada). He doesn't like to chew his food. He has
not been taking to this diet. He doesn't like chicken in any form but
will eat it when he gets hungry enough. Interestingly enough, he's the
one with multiple health issues. He's skinny and long legged and comes
from a puppy mill - (we rescued both our guys from St. Bernard
rescue). He's the one I really want on this diet because I think his
itchy ears and runny eyes and other health problems are all from
allergies. I gave him some ground pork with his chicken two days ago
and he ate the pork. So tonight I went and got some pork ribs (country
style with lots of meat - still not enough for when they're
transitioned). I put the rib down and he picked it up and dropped it.
I cut it up and he ate some but not very much. Maybe about 1/2 lb.
That's about what he's been eating since we started this last week.
Yes, I know I'm babying him, and I will stop. I just don't know how to
bring the wolf out in him. He's a real mom's boy. He's had three bouts
of pneumonia since we've had him. For the last one they did a scope
and discovered that the flap that keeps the food out of his wind pipe
is permanently open. So he eats from a raised bowl and his food is
always moistened to eliminate dust. So he ate some pork and I'm happy,
but not happy enough to rejoice because he stopped so soon. It's hard
to have one really taking to this and the other just looking at me
like I'm crazy.

Suggestions welcome.
Nanette
St. Paul, MN
PS If there are people on this list who live in the Twin Cities,
please contact me off list with your resources for cheap meat.

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14. Horse Turds
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:19 pm ((PST))

My pups who are a little over 4 months have been fed prey model since they have been weaned. There is a horse in a field that is along our walking trail, my precious male puppy has now decided that he has a passion for horse turds, does not matter if they are frozen or, fresh he loves them all. There is also poop from other wild animals such a coyotes, so it would not surprise me if they both have had a munch on these too. Will this hurt my puppies? Is there anything I can do to stop this passion for horse turds? Why on earth would they even want to eat poop with all the good food they are being fed? My Husband thinks this is so funny, but then again he is not the one trying to pull the crap from my boy's jaws.
Loraine Jesse
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15. Chicago Area
Posted by: "skcreedon" skcreedon@aol.com skcreedon
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2008 7:54 pm ((PST))

Anyone from the Chicago area that would like to do a bulk buy let me
know. I'd be happy to go in with others.
Susan Creedon, Chicago

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