[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12371

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Thawed out deer bones on porch
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: Raw diet influencing behavior
From: Giselle
2b. Re: Raw diet influencing behavior
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: Once or twice a day..feeding
From: Michelle R

4a. Re: strange habits of dobes
From: arabianbluedobe

5a. chicken liver
From: tiffany.contempopainting
5b. Re: chicken liver
From: Yasuko herron
5c. Re: chicken liver
From: Giselle
5d. Re: chicken liver
From: jennifer_hell

6a. big feeds, weight gain and canon butt
From: Mary Tinder
6b. Re: big feeds, weight gain and canon butt
From: Giselle

7.1. fish oil
From: Yasuko herron
7.2. Re: fish oil
From: costrowski75
7.3. Re: fish oil
From: Erika
7.4. Re: fish oil
From: Yasuko herron

8a. what did I do wrong?
From: Mary Tinder
8b. Re: what did I do wrong?
From: costrowski75
8c. Re: what did I do wrong?
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
8d. Re: what did I do wrong?
From: Jamie Dolan

9. Nanaimo meat suppliers
From: sarahliepins

10a. Studies
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

11. brown teeth
From: Kelly P

12a. Re: I have Cresteds too!
From: Justin Cole

13. first time raw - bottom wiggling fun
From: Jessica Bryan

14. (no subject)
From: sheila

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1a. Re: Thawed out deer bones on porch
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:54 pm ((PST))

"Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...> wrote:
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it was
> thawing, but tonight it should freeze back up again....the meat won't
> go bad will it?
*****
Probably not in your lifetime.
At least not so your dogs would notice.
Chris O

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2a. Re: Raw diet influencing behavior
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:55 pm ((PST))

Hi, Sai!
I don't know that much about Borzoi temperament, but any Newfy I
ever have owned would have reacted the same way in the same situation, and
done pretty much the same as your dog did to protect me and a pack mate,
whether they were intact or not, male or female.

Newfies are also pretty laid back and gentle dogs, especially as adults. The
same dog that would greet, lick and lean on any stranger and his dog coming
upon them and me in a friendly way, would insert themselves between me and
any person or dog acting in a hinky way, and do what was necessary to
protect us from a perceived threat.

Most dogs are masters at reading body language, whether its canine or human,
they are just so much better at it seeing it and reacting to it than we are.
And then, there's their whole scenting ability, which we cannot even guess
at what they can perceive from moment to moment.

Also, was this on, or very close to, your 'home territory', where you and
your dogs all walk frequently?

Its not about the raw, its about innate protectiveness and canine ability
and perceptiveness. I think it was about the nature and the situation of the
threat, not that your dogs are now raw fed.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 12, 2007 7:37 PM, Sai Simonson <saiczarina@comcast.net> wrote:

> The all raw diet has turned my gentle, leaning 110 lb recently neutered
> Borzoi into a snarling protector. This morning on the walk a very large
> (about 100 lb male) came tearing out to the street snapping and barking
> at my Zoi girl and me. Lexi roared into action. I have only heard him
> bark a couple times in his nine years, but he barked, snarled, and then
> lunged to the end of my sweetie's leash with many teeth showing. Being a
> strong male, Hank held on to Lexi and the intruder was snagged by his
> owner. Meanwhile, the whole incident stopped the flow of traffic on what
> we call the Southgate Freeway....a very narrow neighborhood street that
> is the shortcut to the High School at the end of the block.
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2b. Re: Raw diet influencing behavior
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:56 pm ((PST))

What does this have to do with feeding your dog a species appropriate diet?
He encountered a situation that was threatening and reacted normally.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Sai Simonson" <saiczarina@comcast.net>

> The all raw diet has turned my gentle,leaning 110 lb recently neutered
> Borzoi into a snarling protector. This morning on the walk a very large
> (about 100 lb male) came tearing out to the street snapping and barking
> at my Zoi girl and me. Lexi roared into action. I have only heard him
> bark a couple times in his nine years, but he barked, snarled, and then
> lunged to the end of my sweetie's leash with many teeth showing.

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3a. Re: Once or twice a day..feeding
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:05 pm ((PST))

I feed when Im home.....sometimes they get breakfast and dinner...sometimes just breakfast, sometimes just dinner....I have no motive behind this other than I work all day....sometimes I have meetings afterwork, so I will be sure to feed something for breakfast that morning, so I dont come home late to "starving" kids....because if Im real late, I dont want to feed and then have messy clean up on aisle 2 in the middle of the nite. :-) Thats my motive for not feeding late at nite. By late I mean, like after 8ish..I get up at the crack of "why the heck am I awake" so I go to bed early. My kids need to be eating by 7, so I have time to let them potty and have outside time and I do clean up, feed myself, do dishes, and all that other blah blah blah household stuff.

Michelle Radcliff
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4a. Re: strange habits of dobes
Posted by: "arabianbluedobe" arabianbluedobe@yahoo.com arabianbluedobe
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:06 pm ((PST))

Yea I am aware of the abilities of my dogs to train me. LOL I do give
them the same meal until they eat it. I do not cater to them, other
than trying to give pleasure out of eating. Right now I am getting tons
of free venison, too much to waste the oppurtunity.
I think for at least some of my dogs it has something to do with what
they were started on. My first ines I started on chicken, then I got
the free meat, so when I started the rest I used the venison. Now the
ones started on venison love it hate chicken, ones started on chicken
love it and turkey and will eat the venison reluctanctly, after making
sure that is all they will get. So Maybe with mine it is just
preference of what they think they know.
My red male Dobe is the one who really seems to wish the venison was
gone and I am preparing him for a show. I need him to put on weight, a
lot. They rest are good.
Also off this topic but I bought some sweetbreads at my local HEB for
for $1.29 LB and the beef heart is $1.28 lb. Is the heart needed with
the venison or can I skip it until my venison supply runs out? Are
sweet breads organs? Can I feed a meal of it or should I give just a
little? Thanks for all the help, April

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5a. chicken liver
Posted by: "tiffany.contempopainting" tiffcurran@gmail.com tiffany.contempopainting
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:30 pm ((PST))

Hi guys I have another question. Sorry.
So I tried Rocco on chicken liver today. He wanted no part of it. I
also bought some beef liver so I will try that. Are they all the same
nutritionally(is that even a word).he likes chicken hearts so could
that replace the liver or is it different. Not quite sure what muscle
is.how much liver for a 27 lb guy. Sorry guys. Ill get it eventually.
Tiffany

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5b. Re: chicken liver
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:56 pm ((PST))

> I tried Rocco on chicken liver today. He wanted no part of it.

Hi,my dog isjust like that if liver alone was fed as is. She(my dog) needs Egg to feed pork liver.

You can try liver mixed with either Egg or Tripe if you tried either of the two.That may help.

if not,you can try temperature change of the food;some dog like the liver to be fed frozen.

if that did not work,you can do searing just a bit,and lessen the searing as the dog gets used to the taste.

>I also bought some beef liver so I will try that. Are they all the same nutritionally(is that even a word).

No,each is different.all vitamin amount is different too.

Go to www.nutritiondata.com and search item and you find what is different in each different livers.

>he likes chicken hearts so could that replace the liver

Unfortunately no. Liver and heart are different. You can feed different kind of liver instead of chicken liver if yourdog had no go no matter what you try though.

>Not quite sure what muscle is.

Ok,you can think that Boneless meat can be fed instead of animal heart or Animal tongue.all those 3 are in same category of 80% feeding guideline.

>how much liver for a 27 lb guy.

How much weigh isideal for your dog? 27lb??

If so, 27x16x0.02=8.64oz daily if 2% feeding

And out of that amount;lets bump up to 9oz daily intake, 10% is organ which is about 0.9oz almost 1oz

So, if your dog is on ideal weight half ounce will be liver andthe other half ounce being kidney etc.

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5c. Re: chicken liver
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:06 pm ((PST))

Hi, tiffany!
All livers are somewhat similar, having the same purpose, but
are subtly different. All prey animals and their parts are "perfect" in
their own way.

Its the reason why variety of proteins and body parts are very important to
obtain and feed, over time.

Its not stressed in recommendations to very new to raw feeders, because its
more important at first to get the dogs and owners adjusted and acclimated
to one protein at a time, before starting to add more variety.

Have you tried warming the liver in warm water? Freezing it and feeding it
partly or completely frozen? Searing it slightly in a very hot oven?
Pureeing or chopping it and mixing it with ground meat or tripe or cheese or
ketchup or some stinky canned fish?

Liver is liver - there is no substitute, except one type of liver for
another. Liver makes up a small - 5-7% of the total diet - but indispensable
part in the dog's nutritional health.

3% of 27 lbs = 12.96 oz per day.
5% of 12.96 oz = 0.648000001 oz per day
OR
12.96 oz per day x 7 = 5.68 oz per week
5% of 5.68 oz = 4.536 oz per week

Heart is fed as meatymeat, not organ. So are gizzards, and tongue, and
tripe.

Again, liver is a small, but essential part of the entire raw diet. How much
you feed at one time, and how frequently and from which animals, can vary a
lot depending on how you want to feed it. As long as it balances out over
weeks or even months, you're good to go.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 12, 2007 11:26 PM, tiffany.contempopainting <tiffcurran@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi guys I have another question. Sorry.
> So I tried Rocco on chicken liver today. He wanted no part of it. I
> also bought some beef liver so I will try that. Are they all the same
> nutritionally(is that even a word).he likes chicken hearts so could
> that replace the liver or is it different. Not quite sure what muscle
> is.how much liver for a 27 lb guy. Sorry guys. Ill get it eventually.
> Tiffany
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5d. Re: chicken liver
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:

> Hi,my dog isjust like that if liver alone was fed as is. She(my
dog) needs Egg to feed pork liver.
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> You can try liver mixed with either Egg or Tripe if you tried
either of the two.That may help.
>

My girl is the same, but she actually sometimes eats venison liver on
its own. She needs parmesan and egg to eat chicken liver. So venison
liver is at least somewhat tasty,on some days, it seems. Lol!!

Jennifer

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6a. big feeds, weight gain and canon butt
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:26 pm ((PST))

Thanks Giselle,
so how to ease into the big feeds and avoid cannon butt?
Mary T

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6b. Re: big feeds, weight gain and canon butt
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:45 pm ((PST))

Hi, Mary!
Its best to take it slow, over a period of several months.

I'd suggest you start by;
1) Gradually making one meal smaller and the other larger, until you're
feeding just one meal a day.
2) Vary the time of day you feed that meal.
3) Feed a slightly bigger than usual meal one day, then a slightly smaller
meal than usual the next.
4) Gradually increase the size of one day's meal, and decrease the alternate
day's meal, until you are feeding a meal large enough for two days, then
nothing the next.
5) Increase one day's meal and gradually decrease two day's meals, until you
are feeding a meal large enough for three days and nothing, or just a small
snack or bony chewy on the 2nd or 3rd days.
6) Offer a really BIG meal, several days worth, see how much of it your dog
eats at one time, then take up the leftovers and feed nothing for a few
days, depending on how much food he ate. Offer a tiny snack meal or bony
meal sometime in between.
7) Vary the size of the meals you offer, feeding BIG Food or Gorge meals a
few times a month, and smaller meals or snack meals in between.
8) Back off to the previous feeding schedule anytime your dog, or yourself,
are uncomfortable with the process, or outcomes.

Wa-La!

Its a process, you and your dog should be able to enjoy the journey, as well
as the destination, or stop somewhere that he's most comfortable along the
way.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 12, 2007 11:58 PM, Mary Tinder <mtinder@tinderco.com> wrote:

> Thanks Giselle,
> so how to ease into the big feeds and avoid cannon butt?
> Mary T
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7.1. fish oil
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:26 pm ((PST))

Hi,I was browsing web bit and came across omega3,omega6 article from petcenter.com

It said that diet should have more omega 6 than 3.

Mine that I tried to change from next week had more omega3 than 6,and it was reversed number;I have more omega3 than 6 so,I am thinking about stop fish oil,and back to how I fed organ.

I feed 4 fish meal,8 red meat meal,2 poultry meal with usually 2 Egg in a week.

What I tried to change was organ sidedish.I tried to feed more 4legged animal liver than poultry parts and liver and the number got reversed.

Before that change,the diet without fish oil had 3 times more omega6 than omega3.

I read that it does not need to be on the ratio all that time but better around 1:5(5 being omega6),but need to have omega6 more than omega 3.

I am not freaking out with this article or anything but it was just made me "think" if I should stop giving fish oil.

Anybody NOT feeding fish oil? How are the dogs? Without fish oil,still coat is as shiny and,looks healthy overall?

And what are your feeding in average like? You feed quite lot of red meat and tiny poultry per week in average??

Just curious.

yassy

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7.2. Re: fish oil
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:47 pm ((PST))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> Hi,I was browsing web bit and came across omega3,omega6 article
from petcenter.com
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> It said that diet should have more omega 6 than 3.
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> Mine that I tried to change from next week had more omega3 than
6,and it was reversed number;I have more omega3 than 6 so,I am
thinking about stop fish oil,and back to how I fed organ.
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Yes, it is natural that there should be more 6 than 3 in a healthy
diet. However, the ratio should be 4:1 (Omega 6 to Omega 3). In a
typical diet based heavily on grainfed livestock, the ratio can be as
skewed at 16:1--and worse. The idea is not to beat Omega 6 into
nothingness, but rather to keep it in its proper place.

If Palette's menu is primarily grassfed livestock and poultry and
nice oily marine fish you probably don't have to feed fish oil at
all. The extent to which her menu is not based on critters fed their
own species appropriate diets determines how much fish oil you may
want to supplement with.

Four-legged liver is not necessarily a source of Omega 3 unless the
liver comes from a four-legged animal that was pastured and grassfed
with little or no grain-finishing. And two-legged liver that comes
from free-ranging birds will deliver Omega 3 as well. In other
words, the liver will reflect the critter's diet just as any other
body part will.

How do you know your current diet is higher in Omega 3 than Omega 6?
What means of measuring did you use?
Chris O

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7.3. Re: fish oil
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

I have not had a chance yet to check out your article but I feed a minimal amount of fish oil if all.

At one point I used it alot but not wothin the last 8 months or so. Since switching over to raw no salmon oil for the first month and recently only one squirt a week and usually give them a salmon tail or fillet with there meal about once every week and a half. I feed lots of beef heart and lamb breast then pork of various cuts then chicken making up the least of there diet. I'll also throw in turkey necks for bone when I need to.

There coats are now the best they have ever been! No dry winter dandruff shedding etc. The coats are even comming in darker which is great. A few of them were having some coat issues in the few months before making the switch so I know that there is an improvement and that it is not because of salmon oils :) I only give it on occasion now along with some Apple Cider Vinigar when I feed Eggs. They love that combination it's the only time they actually eat the eggshells, but I don't like the vinigar smell, it just turnes my stomach, lol.

Erika

Anybody NOT feeding fish oil? How are the dogs? Without fish oil,still coat is as shiny and,looks healthy overall?

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7.4. Re: fish oil
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

>However, the ratio should be 4:1 (Omega 6 to Omega 3).

Hi,Chris. I tweaked diet and most i can do was 2.75:1 (omega6:omega3)

With that number, only one day,I feed Beef liver kidney(4legged animal) and rest is poultry organs,heart,liver,and then,I switched Mackerral to pork,andI made salmon amount to half of she normally gets.Then,4 meals out of 14 was switched to poultry meal. then, came close to 3:1... I do not know why I have so many omega3 in diet.

So afterall, 7 meal are red meat,3 fish meal,4 poultry meal and6 poultry organ and gizzard,heart side with only 1 beef liver kidney side,and 3 tripe sidedish, and 1 Egg....

I am not trying to be an exact at all,though.

>How do you know your current diet is higher in Omega 3 than Omega 6?
What means of measuring did you use?

I use nutritiondata.com by making pantry where you can put item in and make analyze.
I was mainly using that to see kcal for palette's loosing weight thing but,I can look omega amount in there too.

The each item's nutrition comes from USDA numbers so, I think that isbased on grain-fed animal number..

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8a. what did I do wrong?
Posted by: "Mary Tinder" mtinder@tinderco.com mmmaryt
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:26 pm ((PST))

My dogs are ALL turning up their noses at the fresh goat that I and
neighbor butchered this weekend. They've eaten goat that the pro
butcher did up for us...

We didn't "bleed" the goat. Could that be it?

I'm bummed!

Mary T

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8b. Re: what did I do wrong?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:33 pm ((PST))

> We didn't "bleed" the goat. Could that be it?
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That's never bothered my dogs, but sure, why not? I mean, you're
grasping at straws right now.

Could be the goat was old and stinky. Could be it was cold. Or warmer
than your dogs are accustomed to. Could be what the goat was fed. Or
what the goat died of. Or the size of pieces you offered. Or maybe
you were hovering and exuding anxiety.

There are a bunch of maybes. You might have to start eliminating
them. Or quit fretting and just try again.

I'm sorry the event was such a let down. Bummer indeed.
Chris O

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8c. Re: what did I do wrong?
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:49 pm ((PST))

My dogs don't like anything that is fresh, it smells different. They turn thier noses up at it. But put it in the freezer for a while, let a rescue come into the house and eat some, and they are all over it:) Try freezing it some, and see if it smells different later. Or rub some other stuff on top of it, like molassis, I've even done garlic too:)
Jeni

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8d. Re: what did I do wrong?
Posted by: "Jamie Dolan" jamiedolan@gmail.com jamiedolan
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

>different later. Or rub some other stuff on top of it, like molassis,
I've even done >garlic too:)

Molasses, Yuk, not for dogs. (not good for us either). But I would
never feed it to dogs. No where close to something they would find in
the wild.

I would try salmon oil poured over the meat. Salmon oil is a natural
product that is approiate for dogs. Yes it is processed to be oil in
a bottle vs a fish, but the product is still natural and approiate.

My dogs will generally eat anything with salmon oil on it, gladly.

Many will think Im a little nuts, but I am really really lax with
leaving meat out. I'd just go ahead and leave some of it out at room
tempature for a day or more and see if they like it better then.
Normally the longer meat sits on the counter, the more excited they
get about it. It never makes them sick (or us, we eat it too).

Good Luck.

Jamie

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9. Nanaimo meat suppliers
Posted by: "sarahliepins" sarahliepins@yahoo.com sarahliepins
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

Hi there i live in Nanaimo British Columbia and i was just

wondering if there are any meat suppliers that i could contact about

dog food from (raw that is) and like with the prey model diet im not
really rich so can i still feed this it seems to me that buying whole
animals would be very costly and since you need to feed a variety of
different meats too so like i dont know if i could afford a whole cow
whole deer or whole goat to buy all at once.

oh and i also wanted to ask about this website this lady really trashes
this diet who to say whats right and whats wrong exactly?

http://www.secondchanceranch.com/training/raw_meat/index.html
<http://www.secondchanceranch.com/training/raw_meat/index.html>

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10a. Studies
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

I am looking for info for a friend on a different group. Are there any studies that show how raw food improves the life span of the dogs lives? How it makes them live longer and healthier lives?
Jeni

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11. brown teeth
Posted by: "Kelly P" picklesrfree@yahoo.com picklesrfree
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

I noticed today that my year old dog has brown spots on two of her
teeth on opposite sides of her mouth towards the back. Shes been raw
fed since we got her at 12 mos so I'm confused as to why she has these
brown spots. Any ideas? I looked in archives and did not find
anything helpful

Kelly

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12a. Re: I have Cresteds too!
Posted by: "Justin Cole" watertestersocal@yahoo.com watertestersocal
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 am ((PST))

This is perfect! I have so many questions I dint know where to begin. Well first of all I'm in southern California Ive had my Cresteds for almost a year shimoti (my male) and Katrina (my female) oh ya and then there is our little rescue Eugene were trying to find him a good home rite now. I am anxious to get on this raw diet Ive been wanting to show but I have a few problems we need to get over. First is socialization, the breeder I got them froom is getting old he has very good bloodlines but he dosent show much anymore and his dogs are lacking in social skills but they have come a long way. Shimoti is starting to clear up from his acne , I thought I had them on a good diet little did I know. Since taking him off kibble that had soy it has helped but now I want to take it a step further. Katrina has what looks like a rash on the inner part of her hein quarters, Im hoping the raw feeding will help all of this. Also my wife needs some convincing still of courser its hard
to get over all the myths of raw meat and bone. We know few people with crest eds in our neck of the woods however no one itno raw, so I would love to soak up as much info as possible I want to know everything there is to know about showing and feeding raw so lets start with your suggestion on a first meal? also whats your take on fruits and veggies? My dogs love them. Also I want to show my dogs I think they are the greatest however others are quick to point out faults, I know there is know perfect dog but how do I know that Im not going to be showing my dogs in vein? I better stop here I might go on forever! Im so glad I met another crested owner who feeds raw. Thanks for the reply and all the info



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13. first time raw - bottom wiggling fun
Posted by: "Jessica Bryan" rustx84@yahoo.com rustx84
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:30 am ((PST))

hi all, my name is jess, im from australia and i own 2 beautiful labs
(one is 20 mnths, the other a 15 week old pup) and a 9 yr old cocker
spaniel along with 3 kitties.

i came across raw awhile ago but that was the info that seemed like
prep time was a full time job and it was just all overly complex.
lucky i have found my way back and for the past week have been a bit
obsessed about finding out everything i can - and the prey-model diet
seems so simple and common sense!

today was the first day for my lab pup (ive already started all the
cats and im startin my other two tomorrow) i must say i was still a
bit worried about the gulping/choking issue but after reading
numerous posts on here... and armed with a juicy chicken quarter i
took the plunge! i was so happy to see that river was chewing the
quarter, the last piece he swallowed was a little big for my liking
but he didnt choke or anythin so all good. afterwards he looked at me
then scrambled around licking up any left over bits, with his lil bum
wiggling from excitement :)

i am planning on feeding him a chicken frame and leg in the morning
then another quarter in the night.

also planning on feeding my full grown lab two chicken frames morn
and a quarter at night...

and lastly my cocker spaniel a frame and leg for brekky and prob
another couple of legs for dinner...

Does all this sound ok??????????????

for my cocker spaniel he has anal duct probs in that they have been
manually emptied for awhile... and sometimes i see him having trouble
with tryin to push one out (poo that is :) should i try and
incorporate less bone for him??

Thanks so much to everyone already as i have gained so much
information just through reading past posts... everyone is so helpful
and it definately helped me to make the switch asap.

Jess - owned by - Brode, Gemma, River, Pimpa, Jasper & Obie

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Posted by: "sheila" schatzee@comporium.net osborne_sheila
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:30 am ((PST))

How often do you have to have bone in there meals? we were doing chicken for about 8 days and started on pork today/ the pork i got was boneless -we're trying the pork on just the saint since her allergies are flaring and of course she could be allergic to chicken also. sheila

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