[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12363
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Leg quarters question
From: A.
1b. Re: Leg quarters question
From: A.
1c. Re: Leg quarters question
From: ychinook
1d. Re: Leg quarters question
From: Yasuko herron
2a. Think in terms of candy.
From: mozookpr
3a. Re: Squirrels and Rabbits
From: becca1066
4a. pork chops??
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
4b. Re: pork chops??
From: Dave Teetz
4c. Re: pork chops??
From: carnesbill
4d. Re: pork chops??
From: Yasuko herron
5a. Having trouble eating RMBs
From: delcaste
5b. Re: Having trouble eating RMBs
From: Greta Hill
6a. Hogmaw - the 'other' white meat?
From: Deb
6b. Re: Hogmaw - the 'other' white meat?
From: Maria
7a. Re: Eggs and other extras
From: Yasuko herron
8a. veal sweetbreads...
From: woofwoofgrrl
8b. Re: veal sweetbreads...
From: Maria
8c. Re: veal sweetbreads...
From: borodeauxs
8d. Re: veal sweetbreads...
From: Eddie Scholten
8e. Re: veal sweetbreads...
From: m td
9. Elevated ALT (Liver) Levels
From: Sydney Morgan
10a. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: Michelle R
10b. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: bettathang
11. feeder wildlife
From: Michelle R
12a. Re: Broken puppy tooth
From: sltahoek9s
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1a. Re: Leg quarters question
Posted by: "A." ols@charter.net cesare.1920
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:53 pm ((PST))
Thank you, I will check out that link later this evening!
~Amanda
> I would suggest having a full 6 panel thyroid test run on your older
> girl....
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
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1b. Re: Leg quarters question
Posted by: "A." ols@charter.net cesare.1920
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:11 pm ((PST))
That is my problem I suppose, not remembering that they are dogs.
Thank you for the advice, I am also trying to read other posts when I
can find a few minutes and just read one you just posted about
forgetting the term RMB. I will keep that in mind as well :)
~Amanda
> Just remember that they are dogs. They don't chew or swallow like
> we do. Their teeth are made different than ours. Their jaws are
> made different than ours.
>
> Bill Carnes
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1c. Re: Leg quarters question
Posted by: "ychinook" chinook.nr@tds.net ychinook
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:42 pm ((PST))
As a comparison:
I have a 6 year old 130 lb malamute that I feed whole chickens (mostly
store bought at less than $1.oo/lb).
Four months ago we also got a GR puppy (10 lbs at eight weeks) and her
first meal was a chicken thigh. She devoured meat and bone with her
tail wagging a mile a minute. By now (almost 7 months old) she weighs
60 lbs and is down to two feeding a day of a chicken quarter each
meal.
Of course they don't eat only chicken - several months ago I got a 600
lb boar they have also been working on, and sometimes I throw in beef.
Neither dog eats the larger bones of the boar so I throw in chicken
necks. They also get appropriate amounts of organs.
In the evening they get a treat of salmon oil and an egg. The GR
puppy eats shell and all, but the malamute leaves the shell.
Occasionally I splurge ($4.50/lb) and give them whole mackerel which
they both love.
Neither dog is overweight and they get a lot of exercise in the woods
around our rural home.
Hoping this finds you all "As fit as a butcher's dog"
Lee, Karen, Buddy Bear and Holly
PS: I always include pictures of them in private replies :-)
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1d. Re: Leg quarters question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:25 pm ((PST))
>I got a 600 lb boar they have also been working on,
Wow,that is a lot!I am not sure how much lb of meat in palette's freezer but 600lb seems very big amount!! Boar is.. a pig,right? How did you get the boar? From hunter friends?
> Neither dog eats the larger bones of the boar so I throw in chicken necks.
Are you buying bag of chicken neck ?? if you wanted to give some bones to their meal,you can give chicken feet,frog leg as well.
>The GR puppy eats shell and all, but the malamute leaves the shell.
Egg shell gives calcium to dogs but if you were feeding bone in diet,you don't need to give shell.If they eats shell,fine,if not,fine as well if you fed bone in diet.
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2a. Think in terms of candy.
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:12 pm ((PST))
They both still like apples and
> such, I know that dogs don't eat these in the wild but they really
> seem to like them so they will sometimes get a snack in the evening
of
> fruit.
>
> Any opinions on this? My Mastiffs are 5 years old and a little over a
> year old.
>
> ~Amanda
Do you eat Snickers or Reeses Cups? Probably. Maybe not daily, and
surely not a lot, I hope, but I bet you do. If you treat SMALL bites
of apple as candy for your dogs, I can't see the harm in it. It's not
poison, just not needed. But then, neither is chocolate (which, as you
know, your dog should never have) necessary for humans.
If it is enough to be a measurable percentage of the diet, it is
probably too much. Nor would I feed such items to any dog who is not
already eating a balanced diet of raw foods. (Gads, I fight this
battle with my mom every day: "NO treats, I want Foxy to be HUNGRY for
dinner...")
Answering from the gut, once again...
Wendy
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3a. Re: Squirrels and Rabbits
Posted by: "becca1066" becca1066@yahoo.com becca1066
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:19 pm ((PST))
WILD rabbits can carry tuleremia, which can be transmitted to humans.
Handle WILD rabbits with gloves. Its OK for the dog to eat.
becca
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4a. pork chops??
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:42 pm ((PST))
Sorry if I missed it, but did anyone respond to my query about pork chops,
bone in? My guy is 28 lbs and pretty experienced with raw...no front teeth,
though, so he doesn't rip. Pretty good at crunching bones.
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4b. Re: pork chops??
Posted by: "Dave Teetz" dteetz@gmail.com dteetz
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:01 pm ((PST))
Carol,
I recall at one point reading that bones in chops or steaks are not good -
too sharp. I don't know if this was specifically for your post request.
Dave
On Dec 10, 2007 7:54 PM, <Cdandp2@aol.com> wrote:
> Sorry if I missed it, but did anyone respond to my query about pork
> chops,
> bone in? My guy is 28 lbs and pretty experienced with raw...no front
> teeth,
> though, so he doesn't rip. Pretty good at crunching bones.
>
> Carol
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4c. Re: pork chops??
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:10 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> My guy is 28 lbs and pretty experienced with raw...no
> front teeth,
> though, so he doesn't rip. Pretty good at crunching bones.
My Great Danes don't use their front teeth to eat with. They "chew"
with their back teeth.
The bones in pork chop have been cut with a saw and have sharp
edges. Not good to feed. Cut the meat off the bone and feed the
meat.
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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4d. Re: pork chops??
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:11 pm ((PST))
I do not give pork chop bone to my dog.Those bone area too small.
if you wantedto get pork chop,you can buy whole loin anduse as boneless meat.
I once got the big 9-10lb weight whole loin from Giant in VA,and it was on sale with price 1.69 per pound.
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5a. Having trouble eating RMBs
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:42 pm ((PST))
I have a pug that won't/can't eat RMBs. I give him a goat leg or a lamb
leg and he chews and chews on it til the meat is a mush and he gets
tired and wants to come in. Yet the meat is still on the bone. I have
to get my knife and cut the meat off the bone and offer it to him which
he always takes from me. It takes him about an hour and a half to eat.
If I give him a hunk of meat, even when I ribbon it, he won't touch the
meat with his paws but shakes it and shakes it till pieces drop off. He
tries to eat it all at once and regurgitates about 5/6 times. He's not
a gulper like my other pug he seems to chew and chew and gulps. He's
never had a problem choking he's always able to swallow his food after
much chewing and regurgitation. Any thoughts are appreciated, please.
Silvina
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5b. Re: Having trouble eating RMBs
Posted by: "Greta Hill" GretaHill@aol.com sunstate23
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:01 pm ((PST))
I have a pug that won't/can't eat RMBs. I give him a goat leg or a
lamb leg and he chews and chews on it til the meat is a mush and he
gets tired and wants to come in. >>
I have a 70 pound dog that can't eat slimy or fatty meats. Her teeth
look fine, and she has strength in her jaws, but she simply can't eat
certain meats. For things like lamb or pork, I have to feed them half
frozen, then she does okay. If I feed them thawed, she chews and chews
but just kind of mushes the meat. With chicken, I have to remove most
of the skin. Otherwise, she's doing great and loves her raw food.
Greta
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6a. Hogmaw - the 'other' white meat?
Posted by: "Deb" alabamdeb2@yahoo.com alabamdeb2
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:42 pm ((PST))
I found some "hogmaw" at my grocery store. I had no idea what it was
(other than pork), but thought it looked "organ-ish". I've been trying
to find organ meat other than liver, so I bought some. I looked it up
on the net when I got home and found out it is the lining of a pig's
stomach. Is this considered muscle meat, like chicken gizzard, or is
it considered organ meat?
Thanks,
Deb
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6b. Re: Hogmaw - the 'other' white meat?
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:01 pm ((PST))
Since you already bought it go ahead and feed it but it is bleached and
has no nutritional value.
Maria
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Deb" <alabamdeb2@...> wrote:
>
> I found some "hogmaw" at my grocery store. I had no idea what it was
> (other than pork), but thought it looked "organ-ish". I've been
trying
> to find organ meat other than liver, so I bought some. I looked it
up
> on the net when I got home and found out it is the lining of a pig's
> stomach. Is this considered muscle meat, like chicken gizzard, or is
> it considered organ meat?
>
> Thanks,
> Deb
>
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7a. Re: Eggs and other extras
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:01 pm ((PST))
>Tempting fate to what?
I think she meant it is like waiting for diarrhea.I interpreted that that way.
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8a. veal sweetbreads...
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:10 pm ((PST))
I found "veal sweetbreads" in the freezer at my grocery store - is a
sweetbread definitely pancreas or is it a possible range of things?
Is $7.99/lb a normal or outragous price for such an item?
Thanks!
Christine
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8b. Re: veal sweetbreads...
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:11 pm ((PST))
Veal is very expencive. $7.99 isn't normal from what I'vve heard,
sweetbreads are thymus or pancreas.
Maria
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, woofwoofgrrl <cmc4lists1@...> wrote:
>
> I found "veal sweetbreads" in the freezer at my grocery store - is a
> sweetbread definitely pancreas or is it a possible range of things?
> Is $7.99/lb a normal or outragous price for such an item?
>
> Thanks!
> Christine
>
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8c. Re: veal sweetbreads...
Posted by: "borodeauxs" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:42 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Maria" <plava_93@...> wrote:
>
> Veal is very expencive. $7.99 isn't normal from what I'vve heard,
> sweetbreads are thymus or pancreas.
>
> Maria
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, woofwoofgrrl <cmc4lists1@> wrote:
> >
> > I found "veal sweetbreads" in the freezer at my grocery store - is
a
> > sweetbread definitely pancreas or is it a possible range of things?
> > Is $7.99/lb a normal or outragous price for such an item?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Christine
> >
>
Hi Maria/Christine,..Sweetbread is the testicles of an animal,..I use
a wholesale butchers for things like ribs,ox hearts,chicken wings for
pups,..and spotted these the first time I shopped there,..for less
then $1 per pack,..it was sliced through into about 5 slices,maybe the
thickness of steak,..round in shape like a poached egg,..I asked the
butcher what these were as I had never heard of them ,the reply was
that they were pigs testicles,..if the veal sweetbreads are $7.99 lb
you are paying for a delicacy,..for human consumption,..would
definately enquire about pig sweetbread and compare the prices,..you
should end up with a box full of sweetbreads for $7.99,..Best Wishes
Stephen www.Borodeauxs.com
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8d. Re: veal sweetbreads...
Posted by: "Eddie Scholten" shirl-ed@hotmail.com shirley11964
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:32 am ((PST))
I do believe sweetbreads are testicles.
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8e. Re: veal sweetbreads...
Posted by: "m td" mtd885@yahoo.com mtd885
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:32 am ((PST))
Sweetbreads as I know them are the Thymus gland not
the Testicles...mtd
--- borodeauxs <Borodeauxs@googlemail.com> wrote:
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Maria"
> <plava_93@...> wrote:
> >
> > Veal is very expencive. $7.99 isn't normal from
> what I'vve heard,
> > sweetbreads are thymus or pancreas.
> >
> > Maria
> > --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, woofwoofgrrl
> <cmc4lists1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I found "veal sweetbreads" in the freezer at my
> grocery store - is
> a
> > > sweetbread definitely pancreas or is it a
> possible range of things?
> > > Is $7.99/lb a normal or outragous price for such
> an item?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Christine
> > >
> >
> Hi Maria/Christine,..Sweetbread is the testicles of
> an animal,..I use
> a wholesale butchers for things like ribs,ox
> hearts,chicken wings for
> pups,..and spotted these the first time I shopped
> there,..for less
> then $1 per pack,..it was sliced through into about
> 5 slices,maybe the
> thickness of steak,..round in shape like a poached
> egg,..I asked the
> butcher what these were as I had never heard of them
> ,the reply was
> that they were pigs testicles,..if the veal
> sweetbreads are $7.99 lb
> you are paying for a delicacy,..for human
> consumption,..would
> definately enquire about pig sweetbread and compare
> the prices,..you
> should end up with a box full of sweetbreads for
> $7.99,..Best Wishes
> Stephen www.Borodeauxs.com
>
>
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9. Elevated ALT (Liver) Levels
Posted by: "Sydney Morgan" wowhavs@yahoo.com wowhavs
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:10 pm ((PST))
If anyone has any experience with elevated ALT (Liver) levels, would you
please e-mail me privately at sydshavs@gmail.com?
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10a. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:12 pm ((PST))
My kids have shaved faces, but the hairless do have long furnishings on their head, ears ,neck, and feets..then of course puffs are full body fluffy. I have found meat wrapped around toenails before..YUK Not real common...but it does happen, so now we do after meal checks. I always sit with them and I keep a towel handy, half dry, half damp with warm water and we wipe "faces and hands" when done...my babies get lots of kissing and even if I were not a vegetarian, I would probably throw up if I ended up kissing on my babies only to have my lips hit leftovers. UGH!!!!!
As for the floors...I use the vinegar/water solution to clean up in general and after an inside meal.
Michelle Radcliff
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10b. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "bettathang" bettathang@yahoo.com bettathang
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:53 pm ((PST))
Michelle-
My littlest boy is a hairless crested! The other is a chocolate
lab. I'm a vegetarian too, and it has been quite an adjustment to
be preparing meat. He tends to get slimy legs from using his elbows
to hang onto the meat. Strange little guy!
-Heidi
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> My kids have shaved faces, but the hairless do have long
furnishings on their head, ears ,neck, and feets..then of course
puffs are full body fluffy. I have found meat wrapped around
toenails before..YUK Not real common...but it does happen, so now we
do after meal checks. I always sit with them and I keep a towel
handy, half dry, half damp with warm water and we wipe "faces and
hands" when done...my babies get lots of kissing and even if I were
not a vegetarian, I would probably throw up if I ended up kissing on
my babies only to have my lips hit leftovers. UGH!!!!!
> As for the floors...I use the vinegar/water solution to clean up
in general and after an inside meal.
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11. feeder wildlife
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:52 pm ((PST))
I have a list of various things the potential feeder wild critters can carry, if anyone would like me to post that, I can do this tomorrow maybe....
I am a wildlife rehabber with a state and federally lisenced agency and can just consult my list... but, off the top of my head raccoons were mentioned recently, that scares the stuff outta me, cuz they are a rabies vector species..no way in heck would I feed that to my kids, anymore than Id eat it myself..course...I AM a vegetarian, LOL
General rule of thumb ANY wild animal ALWAYS handle with gloves!
Michelle Radcliff
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12a. Re: Broken puppy tooth
Posted by: "sltahoek9s" crazy4k9@aol.com sltahoek9s
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:16 am ((PST))
- We have a 5-1/2 month old labrador who hasn't lost her canine teeth yet (when do these
normally pop out?). -
-can I wait until it comes out on it's own? Or should I take her to the vet?-
Hi Sonja,
Puppies normally get their adult canines in between 5 and 6th months so she should be close
to getting hers in. If she isn't showing any discomfort from the broken tooth, ie. lack of appetite or not chewing, then I would just give it some time. If it is wiggling already, then it
shouldn't be long. If she likes to play tug, that may help her expel the tooth more quickly.
My lab played tug with my GSD all the time and her puppy teeth would pop out right and left.
As for the vet, I find that it tends to bring on too many unnecessary questions because most
vets are looking for sickness instead of proclaiming health. Of course if she goes off her
food, can't eat or you see a change in behavior, those would be signs of distress and then a
vet visit would definitely be warranted.
Good Luck,
Tammy C
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