[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12360

There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Allergies and Raw
From: Yasuko herron
1b. Allergies and Raw
From: Sue Colvin
1c. Re: Allergies and Raw
From: carnesbill
1d. Re: Allergies and Raw
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: Yasuko herron
2b. New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: Susan Fortune
2c. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: carnesbill
2d. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: Sandee Lee
2e. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: ginny wilken
2f. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: Erika
2g. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: Eddie Scholten

3a. Re: I would like to ask some ???'s about Simon
From: Yasuko herron

4a. Re: bones for cats
From: Yasuko herron

5a. Raw vets
From: mozookpr
5b. Re: Raw vets
From: Sandee Lee

6a. Beef bones
From: mozookpr
6b. Re: Beef bones
From: Sandee Lee
6c. Re: Beef bones
From: carnesbill

7a. Re: Eggs and other extras
From: Yasuko herron

8. Hello from a new member.
From: sisterloui

9. Breed specific info please : Springer spaniel
From: sisterloui

10a. Re: diarhea
From: Judy McCammon

11a. Re: Cost of feeding raw
From: cynthia iparraguirre

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1a. Re: Allergies and Raw
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

>I was feeding her NV Venison raw medallions, but had to stop with that because she is allergic to flax and eggs which is in that food. She is also allergic to poultry, soy, barley, corn and oats..so I am limited with what I can feed her to say the least!! I got Primal raw, which doesn't contain any of those things, but does have a good amount of other things that were not even on her test, and I fear she may be allergic to them also. I just want to feed her as basic as I can.

Hi,Laura. I think that if you buy any pre-made raw madallion,something that is more than real meat in there and,for your dog thathaslots of things that are allegy to,I think rawfeeding is way to go since it never contains Corn or Oats or flax etc.Plus you can control what goes in to your dog's tummy and adjust with situation observation.

You put that your dogs are allegic to poultry but all poultry are out??

I see your dog did not do well on raw chicken from your post but Turkey,Duck,pheasant are these all out?? I have never done allegy test for my dog so,I am not sure how the vet test on it.

Let me see..among things that I feed,your dog maybe ok to be fed as followings;

Pork,Lamb,Beef,Mutton,Goat,Elk,Buffalo,Fish.Even without all birds out,if your dogs do well on these,you get variety.

Among them,you already have tried Venison madalion,so,maybe your dog does well on Elk?? I think Venison and Elk are same thing if I undertstand correctly.

Good thing is,I do not think Elk is too fat,so,maybe goot to start with.

You can get any Elk boneless,Elk heart, Elk tongue as last variety goal,and you can get Elk Rib as bone. Maybe you can start with Elk rib with boneless Elk meat in meal.

If availability was most concerned,then,pork maybe the easiest to start with. Maybe fattier than Elk but easy to find source.

By the way, elk rib,my dog eats all bone.she is34 lb Corgi 2 years old.

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1b. Allergies and Raw
Posted by: "Sue Colvin" s.colvin@AUCKLAND.AC.NZ goldpak3
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:09 pm ((PST))

Hi Laura,

Several years ago I had a dog that was allergic to chicken (and
developed IBD). Also any grain or vegetables passed through completely
undigested. I fed him only mutton/beef/fish (meat, bones and organs) -
no chicken/turkey/duck ever and no grains or vegetables ever.

To start with I suggest you go with lamb/mutton and follow the advice
about starting slow, sticking to the one protein, adding bone, and then
adding organs. Lamb/mutton can be a fatty food so you may need to trim
off some of the fat to begin with unless you can fine some quite lean
pieces. Lamb bone is generally quite edible and the neck bones and rib
bones are reasonable soft but I've only ever fed large dogs so don't
know if little ones will cope or not. Following on from lamb/mutton,
you could try beef, rabbit, fish etc. You could also try venison
(without all the other stuff you mentioned). Good luck.

Sue C, NZ

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I was feeding her NV Venison raw medallions, but had to stop with that
because she is allergic to flax and eggs which is in that food. She is
also allergic to poultry, soy, barley, corn and oats..so I am limited
with what I can feed her to say the least.

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1c. Re: Allergies and Raw
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:09 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "opi1177" <opi1177@...> wrote:
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> I just got her allergy
> tested and unfortunately she is allergic to everything under
> the sun.

Allergy tests are notoriously inaccurate so I doubt seriously your
dog is allergic to all that many things. Probably allergic to one
thing if she is allergic at all.

> She is
> also allergic to poultry, soy, barley, corn and oats..so I
> am limited with what I can feed her to say the least!!

I doubt seriously she is allergic to raw poultry. I also doubt she
was tested for allergies to raw any meat.

> I just want to feed her as basic as I can. I
> know many of you follow the prey model, and I was wondering if
> you can give me outline of how get started meal-wise, what to
> feed her and such.

Check out http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

> Since chicken is out, I am feeling a little helpless since I
> know chicken legs is the easiest way to start and easy on digestion
> for most dogs!!

At this point don't assume she is allergic to raw chicken.

> I actually tried feeding her raw chicken before I
> knew she was allergic and she was throwing up for 3 days!!

She was eating other things at that time too. It may not have been
the chicken that was the problem or possibly it was chicken plus
something else that caused it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1d. Re: Allergies and Raw
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:14 pm ((PST))

Hey Laura,

Good news....you aren't limited at all! Allergy testing to foods is highly
inaccurate...and as a carnivore, she doesn't need flax, soy, barley, corn
and oats anyway, so no problem. She needs meat without all of the other
ingredients found in the raw mixes and most likely will do fine even on
poultry in a raw state.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "opi1177" <opi1177@yahoo.com>

I just got her allergy
tested and unfortunately she is allergic to everything under the sun.
I was feeding her NV Venison raw medallions, but had to stop with that
because she is allergic to flax and eggs which is in that food. She is
also allergic to poultry, soy, barley, corn and oats..so I am limited
with what I can feed her to say the least!! I got Primal raw, which
doesn't contain any of those things, but does have a good amount of
other things that were not even on her test, and I fear she may be
allergic to them also.

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2a. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

> I was wondering what everyone else does about keeping their house clean after meal
time. They're both really good about eating in the kitchen, but their front feet get the meaty juices on them, which they proceed to drag around the house and onto the furniture. Any helpful hints?

Heidi,here is waht I do. I place vynyle shower curtain on kitchen floor and use as mat;space for my dog to eat is big and she really relax eating on it;sometimes with super-man style;all legs are out.

After messy tackling meal that makes paws,muzzles soak with meat juice, I use vinegar 50% water 50% solution.I kept one empty water bottle for that and I pour 50% vinegar,50% water and shake and then,pour some onto paper towel and clean where she ate and muzzles or paws. My dog does not mind being cleaned paws with this.she comes to me after eating such soaking wet paw meal and offer paws so,I do as she offer one by one.

yassy

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2b. New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "Susan Fortune" desperatelyseekingsusan@cox.net cactususan
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

The entire downstairs of my house is tile, but I sure don't like it to be greasy. My four dogs are fed in the kitchen, and each has a bowl that's elevated. Each has a towel under their bowl for some 'wiggle room.' Two of them would prefer to eat elsewhere--the couch, the chair, etc.

I started by putting up a doggie gate to keep them in the kitchen, then feeding them one at a time & sitting by the bowl. When the food hit the floor, I said, "No," & I put it back in the bowl. When they eat over the bowl, I keep murmuring, "Good dog..." I keep a spray bottle of diluted Simple Green & a pile of old hand towels for accidents.

BUT--buffalo bones or anything big has to be gnawed on outside. When they're finished & ready to come in, they must present each of their front paws for a spray of Simple Green & a rub down with the towel. The spray took some getting used to for two of them, but a soothing voice helped.

My biggest mistake was feeding frozen green tripe (outside). Since it was frozen, they had to hold it down to gnaw on it, and those were some nasty smelling paws.

Susan Fortune
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2c. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:09 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "bettathang" <bettathang@...> wrote:
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> They're both really good about eating in the kitchen, but their
> front feet get the meaty juices on them, which they proceed to drag
> around the house and onto the furniture. Any helpful hints? I'm
> really concerned about my family sitting/playing/etc on raw
> meat slime.

I don't do anything but my dogs don't get juices on thier feet. If
they did, I'd wipe them with a rag or paper towel just after they eat.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2d. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:28 pm ((PST))

Susan,

While it's fine to teach your dogs to eat where you want them to eat, it's
not fair to require them to eat raw food from a bowl. It's normal behavior
for them to put the food on the floor, and most times to lay down and enjoy
their meal. Bowls are fine for kibble or mush, but not generally
appropriate for raw food.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Susan Fortune" <desperatelyseekingsusan@cox.net>

> The entire downstairs of my house is tile, but I sure don't like it to be
greasy. My four dogs are fed in the kitchen, and each has a bowl that's
elevated. Each has a towel under their bowl for some 'wiggle room.' Two
of them would prefer to eat elsewhere--the couch, the chair, etc.
>
> I started by putting up a doggie gate to keep them in the kitchen, then
feeding them one at a time & sitting by the bowl. When the food hit the
floor, I said, "No," & I put it back in the bowl. When they eat over the
bowl, I keep murmuring, "Good dog..." I keep a spray bottle of diluted
Simple Green & a pile of old hand towels for accidents.

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2e. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 11:21 pm ((PST))

On Dec 9, 2007, at 7:42 PM, Susan Fortune wrote:

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> I started by putting up a doggie gate to keep them in the kitchen,
> then feeding them one at a time & sitting by the bowl. When the
> food hit the floor, I said, "No," & I put it back in the bowl.
> When they eat over the bowl, I keep murmuring, "Good dog..." I
> keep a spray bottle of diluted Simple Green & a pile of old hand
> towels for accidents.

For me this is bordering on serious interference with their natural
instincts. Dogs are not meant to stand over bowls, and I would think
this is frustrating and uncomfortable for them. OTOH, it is not at
all unnatural for them to want to eat on a rug or towel after taking
each piece from the bowl, and it's easy to train them to stay on
their mats.

>
> BUT--buffalo bones or anything big has to be gnawed on outside.
> When they're finished & ready to come in, they must present each of
> their front paws for a spray of Simple Green & a rub down with the
> towel. The spray took some getting used to for two of them, but a
> soothing voice helped.

This is way overkill, and no matter what the cleaner use, there's no
reason to subject them to it on a regular basis. Our love affair with
soaps an detergents isn't even healthy for us, let alone them. Most
dogs keep their feet quite clean by themselves, but if you must wipe,
just use water.

>
> My biggest mistake was feeding frozen green tripe (outside). Since
> it was frozen, they had to hold it down to gnaw on it, and those
> were some nasty smelling paws.

Nah, your other mistakes are worse, honest:)

ginny and Tomo

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2f. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:57 am ((PST))

<They're both really good about eating in the kitchen, but their
front feet get the meaty juices on them, which they proceed to drag
around the house and onto the furniture. Any helpful hints? >

---I had the same problem in the beginning. Someof them liked to "slime" themselves and the food they were eating really good, lol. I feed my crew outside in expens to prevent roaming and the possible fights when I can not sit next to them and keep them focused on there own meals. When everyone is done I will let them all out for some yard time before they come back into the house. Durring this time they will usually clean themselves rather well, then no worries when they come inside. At times when climate or time is not permiting of the yard time I will bring them in and crate them for a bit for the same self cleaning time.

I was scared of the same cross contamination issue when I started. I have 7 Bordeaux who all live in my house, on my bed and all other furniture. Ha I guess they allow me to live with them. Anyway, we are the type that will hug squeaze and yes, kiss our dogs on the lips even (I know eww yuck*), also run around the house bare foot. The way I look at it is, If someone was going to get sick from feeding like this it would definatley be me! Have not had any problems other than "fish lips" after I feed a salmon meal, don't really like kissing doggies with thoes :)

I'd say try feeding outside or in crates then you don't have to worry about the furniture or cleaning your floors. That's to much work!

Erika

ps. sorry about this darn blue line sometimes I just can't get rid of the silly thing!

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2g. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "Eddie Scholten" shirl-ed@hotmail.com shirley11964
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:57 am ((PST))

"They're both really good about eating in the kitchen, but their front feet get the meaty juices on them, which they proceed to drag around the house and onto the furniture. Any helpful hints?"
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Hi, yes, this is a poser for me too, but right now I feed outside and just check on my puppy before he comes inside...if he's really messy (paws and or face), I will give him a wipe over with a damp cloth that has a little dish-wash liquid soap on it. But as he spends a lot of time 'living' in my kitchen, until he's fully trained, etc., I can keep him away from the furniture if I really need to. If he's not too messy, I watch to see when he's settled down if he starts to clean himself a little. And sometimes he does, but not so very well. So, I hope he'll clean himself more efficiently in time to come.

I too would be interesting in others' advice on this one, as I admit to being bit of a hand-washing obsessive when handling meaty or ''toilety'' things!

Cheers,

Shirley.

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3a. Re: I would like to ask some ???'s about Simon
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

>We might consider getting a second dog. Does Simon do well with other nuetered males?

If you bring the dog Simon to place where you get dog from with you,you could see how well other dog and Simon do.

I do not think anybody can tell theanswer to yourquestion but dogs themselves.

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4a. Re: bones for cats
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

When I wastalking about how Palette(dog) eats frog leg,I remember chris was writing she fed Frog Leg to cats.So,I think that is one thing can can eat bone from.

Today was second try for palette theFrog Leg and,I still needed to crack it but it easily cracked with poultry scissors.

Today,palette ate all raw Frog leg without me searing any bits although it took couple of minutes. Good dog!!

yassy

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5a. Raw vets
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

I just learned that there is a list for vets who are interested in and
support raw feeding. I was wondering, have they ever posted a list in
here, to help out people who would like to find such a vet? If not,
has anyone ever asked them to do so?

This would be a wonderful resource for everyone here, and a way for us
to support like-minded veterinarians.

Cheers,

Wendy

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5b. Re: Raw vets
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:36 pm ((PST))

There is a list here....
http://www.k9snaturally.com/prorawvets.htm

of course we don't know exactly what they mean by "raw", but it's a start!!
:))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "mozookpr" <mozookpr@yahoo.com>

I just learned that there is a list for vets who are interested in and
support raw feeding. I was wondering, have they ever posted a list in
here, to help out people who would like to find such a vet? If not,
has anyone ever asked them to do so?

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6a. Beef bones
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:08 pm ((PST))

I have a dog, new to raw feeding, who won't eat bones. The most
obvious thing would be to think that real chewing hurts his teeth,
but he has always adored wreck bones (which I am removing from the
house), and is actually rather an agressive chewer, for his size. He
has gnawed on a chicken wing, a little, once. Other than that,
nothing. Actually, I am thrilled when he finishes the meaty part of
his meal, as he is pretty picky. I have been feeding raw for two
weeks now. Should I worry a lot about bone right now, or just
concentrate on building his appetite for meat?

Also, since he has enjoyed marrow bones in the past, and I know they
are not good, could I offer beef ribs? I have considered pork neck
bones, too, but they are cut pretty small where I can get them.
Since he is a little dog, maybe this would be okay?? He is not much
of a gulper.

Thanks!

Wendy

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6b. Re: Beef bones
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 8:39 pm ((PST))

Wendy,

What kind of bones have you been offering? It could be that he does have
damage to his teeth from chewing on the marrow bones in the past. You may
need to have his teeth check by a vet.

I wouldn't worry too much about bone consumption at the moment since the
requirement is so small.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "mozookpr" <mozookpr@yahoo.com>

I have a dog, new to raw feeding, who won't eat bones. The most
obvious thing would be to think that real chewing hurts his teeth,
but he has always adored wreck bones (which I am removing from the
house), and is actually rather an agressive chewer, for his size. He
has gnawed on a chicken wing, a little, once. Other than that,
nothing. Actually, I am thrilled when he finishes the meaty part of
his meal, as he is pretty picky. I have been feeding raw for two
weeks now. Should I worry a lot about bone right now, or just
concentrate on building his appetite for meat?

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6c. Re: Beef bones
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 9:47 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mozookpr" <mozookpr@...> wrote:

Wendy,
Exactly what are you feeding him? What happens if you feed him a
chicken quarter? I can't imagine him eating all the meat in a chicken
quarter without eating some bone.

Yes you need to worry about bone, maybe not this week but soon.

You can try the beef ribs or even pork ribs if he is very small. If
he is larger, a slab of 4 ribs or so would be ok.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7a. Re: Eggs and other extras
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 9:47 pm ((PST))

>I never feed eggs with liver or squidgy organs, just tempting fate is my thought on that.

Palette needs Egg to eat pork liver and kidney and shehas no problem in poo-wise.Not soft,not hard either.

she used to have problem with Egg. Caged Egg ;she tolerated very well, and with cage free Egg ;loose poo even without organ in meal.

ginny has suggested feeding method to get her used to cage-free Egg and it worked and she now can have Cage free egg ,1 whole thing with pork liver and kidney and no problem in poo too..

I am not sure why she had digesting problem with cage-free Egg from same brand's Egg to caged Egg.But I am happy now.

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8. Hello from a new member.
Posted by: "sisterloui" habershon@aol.com sisterloui
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:57 am ((PST))

Hello All,

I just thought I would say Hi and give a little background about myself.

I am Jane 43 from Sheffield in the uk.

I stumbled upon raw feeding last year whilst trying to find information
and help for my 5 year old labrador retriever.He was being fed on one
of the "complete balanced diets" available by the sack from the
supermarkets.

The poor guy was struggling with arthritis to the point that he was
limping within 10 minutes on his morning walk.

I actually switched to raw feeding to try to cut out the colourings and
preservatives that were "possibly" causing this joint problem.

I have never regretted this decision, within 2 weeks he wasnt limping
and had much more energy.

The raw meat diet did mean i had to do a little forward planning. I
live in the center of a large city but soon made friends with local
butchers who save me meat trimmings, offal and bones. Cost wise there
was very little difference but to be honest I wouldnt mind if it was
more expensive than his old diet.

I agree that the raw diet wont cure everything but i believe give a dog
good nutrition and plenty of exercise they are in the best position to
keep healthy.

I look forwards to be able to contribute to this group.
Best wishes,
Jane
(sisterloui)

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9. Breed specific info please : Springer spaniel
Posted by: "sisterloui" habershon@aol.com sisterloui
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:57 am ((PST))

Hi all,

I am at the moment the "carer" of my sisters springer spaniel.

She is about 5 years old, hyperactive, nervous and timid and spends
most of her time on her back in the submissive position.

Have any of you experience of "nervy" spaniels.

I feel that the raw diet ((along with some much needed basic
training)) may help to make her a little more stable but i am loath
to do this unless there are big benefits.

I feel that it would be unfair on the dog to switch her feeding
routine only to have her put back on kibble in a few months time.

I would really appreciate any info or to hear about any spaniel
owners experiences.

Many thanks.
Jane.

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10a. Re: diarhea
Posted by: "Judy McCammon" fenstokebullmastiffs@yahoo.com fenstokebullmastiffs
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:14 am ((PST))

much appreciate the help,,as I thought,was just adjustment to feed and travelling, new water and organ too soon,etc. gave him some pumpkin and next poo was normal....



Regards,

Judy McCammon

www.geocities.com/fenstokebullmastiffs

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From: Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2007 10:22:20 PM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: diarhea

>recommendations: pumpkin or just let him work it out

HI. I heara lot about pumpkin anddiarrheawhen I read on home-made diet not on raw diet. It is because of fiber in Pumpkin. Fiber bulk up the poo and make form the poo if dog did not have bone in diet.

Bone in rawdiet do the same thing. But if you were feeding bone and if you feed pumpkin,pumpkin works bothways depending on how much you give;worse diarrhea or constipation.

Like Chris has suggested,I think since we feed bone as well in diet which has same effect to pumpkin's fiber,and not too good to feed both, so,I would recommend get rid of pumpkin and adijust the diet so that you would not have same effect ever again.

if you wereusing short-cut to fix the prob,the base prob never be fixed.

So,if your dog has watery frequent uncontrolable diarrhea,fast dog and just provide liquid (water) and give slippery Elm powder or give liquid probiotic and ease the stomach.

Next time,feed small,and maybe skin off from meat you feed and try feed but if it were not solving problems, make a combo meal with protin dog is doing great on.and give probiotic or Slippery Elm with meal.

If this still make poo loose (not diarrhea),give more bone in meal and that should help.

yassy

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11a. Re: Cost of feeding raw
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:14 am ((PST))

Ninety pounds for a big LabX is
perhaps more dog than either of us might want to have, but it's not
necessarily a bad weight. (Although it sure could be!)
Chris O
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I'm with Chris on this one. I have a healthy purebred Lab & she sits around the 80# mark & she is far from being overweight. I think it all depends on your dogs individual built

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