[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12351

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Help!
From: Carlye
1.2. Re: Help!
From: Giselle
1.3. Re: Help!
From: mmc2315
1.4. Re: Help!
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: another knackery drop off
From: bluegracepwd

3a. puppies/big dogs
From: donna
3b. Re: puppies/big dogs
From: Laura Atkinson
3c. Re: puppies/big dogs
From: Tina Berry
3d. Re: puppies/big dogs
From: Erika
3e. Re: puppies/big dogs
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: new to rawfeeding
From: Giselle
4b. Re: new to rawfeeding
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: List: Confused: BARF, Grains, RAW?
From: Laura Atkinson
5b. Re: List: Confused: BARF, Grains, RAW?
From: Andrea
5c. Starting a cat on raw
From: Jessica MacMillan

6a. Re: Fish and Game
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Chicken skin question
From: costrowski75
7b. Re: Chicken skin question
From: Tina Berry

8a. New Rawfeeder - Hi
From: Laura Bonavia

9. Gorge Feeding: Bloat - Torsion Question
From: aliciamyan

10a. Just one question....
From: mozookpr

11a. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
From: mozookpr

12a. Small Chihuahua Starting RAW
From: Kelly
12b. Re: Small Chihuahua Starting RAW
From: Sandee Lee

13a. Re: Today's finding;Turkey liver and Vitamin A
From: Morledzep@aol.com

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1.1. Help!
Posted by: "Carlye" reidhaven@catahouligans.com milk_jockey
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 11:39 am ((PST))

I want to switch my dogs to raw, but I'm not sure how to do it. Is it
bad to do it cold turkey? Should it be a slow process?

One of my dogs is an 8 month old female Catahoula, and I'm worried
that I won't be able give her everything she needs to finish growing
properly. Should I be leaving her on kibble with supplements until
she's done growing (expecting approx. 50-55lbs)?
Another one of my dogs is a ten year old JRT, and I've read that it
isn't a good idea to switch older dogs. Should I just be leaving her
on her kibble?

Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Carlye

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1.2. Re: Help!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:39 pm ((PST))

Hi, Carle!
Oooh, you didn't read any of that misinformation here! ^_^

Welcome!

Cold Turkey is the way to go. There's absolutely NO benefit to be had by
feeding cr*p-in-a-bag any longer than you have to!

Pups, young dogs, dogs in the prime of their life, elderly pooches - they
all NEED to be fed a species appropriate raw whole prey model diet. ASAP!

Its what they evolved to thrive on, and what is the optimum diet for all
wolves - even the ones that live with us.

Doom Nuggets tm (Carrie), cooked meats, grains, veggies, just-in-case supps
are all INappropriate for dogs and puppies - meat, fat, skin, organs, edible
bone is all that they need to grow and maintain glowing health.

Here's some websites and links to start with;
How to start

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/143301

message # 143301

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/143301

message # 143301

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/144075
message # 144075

TC and let us know how you progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 6, 2007 2:31 PM, Carlye <reidhaven@catahouligans.com> wrote:

> I want to switch my dogs to raw, but I'm not sure how to do it. Is it
> bad to do it cold turkey? Should it be a slow process?
>
> <snip>
>
> Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Carlye
>
>
>

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1.3. Re: Help!
Posted by: "mmc2315" m.chelap@sbcglobal.net mmc2315
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

Hi Carlye,

We got our dog from the shelter in mid-October and made the switch to raw, cold turkey, in
November.

We started with chicken, and have been taking it slow. That is, we didn't introduce other
proteins too quickly and haven't even started organs yet.

Our dog looks so healthy and happy.

There are a lot of good posts in the archives.

Michelle

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1.4. Re: Help!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:43 pm ((PST))

Hi Carlye,

Everything required for perfect growth is found in a prey model raw
diet...lots of meat, a little bone and organs. What better time to have her
on a proper diet than during the critical growth period. There is no
benefit to kibble and supplements...in fact, could get you into growth
problems quite easily. Go cold turkey...get her off that junk as quickly
as possible! :)

It's never too late to start feeding appropriately. Raw meat is so
beneficial to all of the organs...don't put it off!
But I wouldn't call a JRT old at 10!! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Carlye" <reidhaven@catahouligans.com>

I want to switch my dogs to raw, but I'm not sure how to do it. Is it
bad to do it cold turkey? Should it be a slow process?

One of my dogs is an 8 month old female Catahoula, and I'm worried
that I won't be able give her everything she needs to finish growing
properly. Should I be leaving her on kibble with supplements until
she's done growing (expecting approx. 50-55lbs)?
Another one of my dogs is a ten year old JRT, and I've read that it
isn't a good idea to switch older dogs. Should I just be leaving her
on her kibble?

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2a. Re: another knackery drop off
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 11:39 am ((PST))

Hi Mary,

Dressing is when the animal has its skin, head, hooves, tail, and guts
removed. In the past I've been able to get my hands on free undressed
sheep. ie: basically the whole kit and kaboodle, but the amount of
work to dress them is so great, if someone offered to do each beast
for $10, I'd give them $20. Well not really, but you get the idea!

I am now very handy with an axe.

cheers

Jane

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3a. puppies/big dogs
Posted by: "donna" heartathome@att.net jubileeberry
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 11:48 am ((PST))

Hello to all..i am new here and have found this whole subject fascinating.
I have always rescued and owned large breed dogs..danes,bernards and
mastiffs, dobermans.. but i am getting a 7 week old neo mastiff puppy
next week and want to start the raw diet..
This is a female and can get around 110-120 lbs.. i read to start
with chopped meat for under 8 weeks... cooked or not cooked?
Any advice for puppies and Very big dogs would be great :)

--
Namaste,
donna
)O(
Uppity Women Unite

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3b. Re: puppies/big dogs
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:02 pm ((PST))

I've started a number of puppies on raw and here's what's worked well for me:

Because you need to feed multiple meals, give them the easy ones when
time is short (like getting ready for work in the am). This is when
I'm going to give a meat only or even ground meat meal. Meals with
edible bones happen in the PM, when I'm home and can supervise, but I
have been known to put something HUGE (like a lamb neck...hey, to an 8
week old Siberian Husky that is HUGE) in there when I'm gone and they
gnaw on it all day...maybe getting down to bone, maybe not...if
there's any left when I get home, it generally becomes someone else's
dinner. I do NOT recommend leaving bones out all day unless or until
you're pretty darn confident in the puppy's eating style...after all,
you're betting their life on it!

In the evening meal, the puppies get whatever the adults get as long
as they're handling the variet fine (ie loose stools, cut back either
on the variety of the meals or decrease the amounts and add another
meal/snack in to make up the difference). At 8 weeks old, you'd be
amazed (or appalled if it's your shoe) what those little puppy teeth
can do! So give them a meal that's a challenge. You'll enjoy the
peace and quiet.

Never cooked (unless it's treats from your plate). Chopped meat is OK
and convenient, consider it the equivalent of the bagged salad for
yourself. But hunks o' meat and meaty raw bones are going to give
your puppy a workout while eating (and we all know...a tired puppy is
a good puppy).

On Dec 6, 2007 11:34 AM, donna <heartathome@att.net> wrote:
but i am getting a 7 week old neo mastiff puppy
> next week and want to start the raw diet..
> This is a female and can get around 110-120 lbs.. i read to start
> with chopped meat for under 8 weeks... cooked or not cooked?
> Any advice for puppies and Very big dogs would be great :)
>
> --
> Namaste,
> donna
> )O(
> Uppity Women Unite
>
>
> All information on this list represents personal opinion only. By staying on this list, you agree to never hold anyone from this list or associated with this list liable for any information posted through this list. You agree to take personal responsibility for your learning, and for personal responsibility for what you feed yourself, your family, and your dogs, cats, ferrets, or any other animal that lives under your care. If you don't agree, please unsubscribe immediately.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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3c. Re: puppies/big dogs
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

"This is a female and can get around 110-120 lbs.. i read to start with
chopped meat for under 8 weeks... cooked or not cooked? Any advice for
puppies and Very big dogs would be great :)"

I weaned my gsd pups to raw at 4 weeks of age on ground beef heart; by 6
weeks they were eating chicken wings. All raw, don't cook. At 7 weeks I
would try her out on chicken legs, thighs or bone in breast and just see how
she does. You don't want to feed too small of pieces, wings aren't meaty
enough for a meal but something you can also try on her.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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3d. Re: puppies/big dogs
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

My mastiff pup eats the same stuff my big guys eat and chomps the bones like a little champ. Only thing that she can not eat is the neck bones, everything else is fair game, she steals from her mother all the time :)

Erika

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3e. Re: puppies/big dogs
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:24 pm ((PST))

Hi Donna,

Well, I have big dogs, but don't *do* puppies! :)) Here are a few past
messages from those who do.....
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135757
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135847
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/137170
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/145223

And a picture......:)
http://homepage.mac.com/rhbmgmt/PhotoAlbum14.html

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "donna" <heartathome@att.net>

> Hello to all..i am new here and have found this whole subject fascinating.
> I have always rescued and owned large breed dogs..danes,bernards and
> mastiffs, dobermans.. but i am getting a 7 week old neo mastiff puppy
> next week and want to start the raw diet..
> This is a female and can get around 110-120 lbs.. i read to start
> with chopped meat for under 8 weeks... cooked or not cooked?
> Any advice for puppies and Very big dogs would be great :)

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4a. Re: new to rawfeeding
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:02 pm ((PST))

Hi, Sheila!
Welcome to the raw side!

You'll be more than pleased with the results for your Saint, I'm very sure!
And you'll be surprised and gratified with the improvement to your other
dog's health and appearance, too.

Chicken leg quarters are a little small for a GSD, let alone a Saint! Try
1/2 chickens for a meal. Chicken is a bit bony, so that may be the reason
for the straining. Feeding 1/2's instead of just quarters will offer more
meat with the bone. You can toss in the heart and gizzards with the leg
1/2s, that'll bump up the meat a bit. Also, raw is so much more
bioavailable, there is much less waste to poop out, so stools will be
smaller and less frequent. Just a change (a welcome one!) to get used to.

Here's a couple links and websites for you to peruse;
how to start raw feeding and The Lis List

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist

Poops!
<http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist>

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/142298
post # 142298

Uh, a scale will be more or less helpful to you. I used one, for about a
week. lol
Seriously, a scale can help, but the usefulness of them are limited. After
you are more confident feeding your dogs raw, you can just 'eyeball'
amounts, and adjust up or down depending on if one of them are getting ribby
or a little too fluffy!

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Dec 6, 2007 2:13 PM, sheila <schatzee@comporium.net> wrote:

> Hi all, Just started raw feeding 3 days ago. My main reason was to see
> if this would help my super allergic St. Bernard - this is the only
> thing I haven't yet tried.
>

> <snip>
>

> I bought
> a scale so I could measure everything and where is the best places to
> get meat at decent prices. Sheila
>
>

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4b. Re: new to rawfeeding
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:48 pm ((PST))

Sheila,

Chicken parts are fairly bony....you could add more meat in the form of
chicken breasts to see if that makes it more comfortable for her. Adding
new proteins is more a matter of comfort for you than anything...if you feel
they are digesting chicken without any problems, you can slowly add in new
foods at any time. The worst that will happen is softer stools which really
isn't a big deal...well, unless you have to clean them up! :)

What you feed next is your choice...whatever is easily available in your
area. It can be pork, beef, goat, lamb, etc. Really makes no difference.
The key is to go slow.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "sheila" <schatzee@comporium.net>

Hi all, Just started rawfeeding 3 days ago. My main reason was to see
if this would help my super allergic st.bernard - this is the only
thing i haven't yet tried. Since she will be on raw , i put my
shepherds also on it. We have started with chicken leg quarters and so
far everything is good. St. Bernard was straining a little to go poop
this morning - is that common when first starting.? How long would I
stay with just chicken and what kind of meat would i try next.

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5a. Re: List: Confused: BARF, Grains, RAW?
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:56 pm ((PST))

Here's my theory...if you have to feed so little meat/bone/organ that
you feel you need to add fillers like green beans so your dog isn't
starving all the time... get a thyroid panel done.

On Dec 6, 2007 9:53 AM, T Smith <coldbeach@gmail.com> wrote:
> I DO add some green beans for my obese dog in order for her not to be
> "hungry" during her very very strict diet. It's a lose or die situation so
> I give her 2 -3 small pieces of meat with those OR I give an organ piece
> with them. Just trying to do the vet best, but I don't want to start making
> the rice, grains & veggies again for my dogs, this was why I quit feeding
> BARF, it was insane, expensive, messy & a failure.
> Agains, I am still what I consider new to RMB & want to be sure I am
> learning it right.
> Thanks.
> Trina

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.

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5b. Re: List: Confused: BARF, Grains, RAW?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:28 pm ((PST))

I think what you are seeing is newbies who don't trust the prey model
just yet and feel like there is a need to add "something" other than
just meat bones and organs. We say time and time again that those
things aren't needed nor are they species appropriate. Some people
just can't believe it is that simple. I have tried recently to be a
little more gentle with my wording on the issue because I'm confident
that eventually they'll figure out that all the grinding and such
doesn't do a spot of good.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> I joined here thinking it was specifically Raw prey model
> diets.....I am hearing mention of the rice & grains, etc....
> My question is about what is the specifics of this list: raw meats
> & bones with some fish oils, or miscelaneous type diets that
> include veggies & grains.

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5c. Starting a cat on raw
Posted by: "Jessica MacMillan" spotted101@hotmail.com jessica.macmillan
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:44 pm ((PST))

Okay -

I am new to this list, but not new to raw. My GSDs are doing great on it, my mom's dals do fabulous on it and I have several showdog clients that have fed raw for years and are doing great.

Now, my next question is - how would you start a 13 year old, healthy cat? We forget he is 13 because of how good he looks, but he tends to be a wolf-hound when it comes to kibble and I would like to start him on raw and make him chew a little bit.

Need some hints.

Jess Mac
& The Shepherd Girls (who love their raw food)

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6a. Re: Fish and Game
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:02 pm ((PST))

"gbongi1" <gbongi1@...> wrote:
>
> -
> > Rule of thumb: If you would eat it, its ok to feed your dog.
>
> Hi thanks for the response. I wouldn't necessarily eat crow but is
> this ok to feed the dog. One hunter friend stated not to bother
> because "crow carry diseases"
> Doesn't everything carry something?? I am not sure if crows really
do
> carry diseases.
*****
They may have fleas, they may have parasites, they may be infected
with West Nile virus but they don't transmit it, as far as I know.
And I'm not sure that dogs are susceptible.

Everything carries bacteria yes. Whether that equates with disease
is I guess how one looks at it. Parasites can be killed by freezing.

The rule of thumb is what you can eat, so can your dog. That doesn't
mean if you cannot eat it your dog cannot not eat it. This rule only
works one way. There are many menu items my dogs thrive on than I
cannot eat. Or at least will not.
Chris O

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7a. Re: Chicken skin question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:13 pm ((PST))

"jaygaughan" <jaygaughan@...> wrote:
>
> I am feeding the puppy all meat for his second meal (Chicken, turkey,
> and beef). Is this enough to balance out the chicken backs he gets in
> the morning or should I add meat to his morning meal and cut back on
> the bone?
*****
Nutritionally there is no need to worry about balance. Balance is what
happens when you continue to feed an appropriate menu. It's a natural
result.

If you mean balance as in constipation v loose stools, you'll just have
to find out.

It's my druthers to feed mostly meat with some bone as opposed to a
bunch of bony parts followed by meat; but that's me. I have not fed a
meal of two chicken backs and have no intention of ever doing so. I
think one chicken back with a hunk of meat is just fine.
Chris O

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7b. Re: Chicken skin question
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:44 pm ((PST))

"should I add meat to his morning meal and cut back on the bone?" I would.

I feed mine 1.5 approx of deer meat and I throw in one turkey back for the
bone, which have quite a bit of meat on them for a back.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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8a. New Rawfeeder - Hi
Posted by: "Laura Bonavia" lasme8@yahoo.com thebunnylady
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:18 pm ((PST))

+++MOd note: please sign all emails ++++++++

Have been successful so far. If someone can comment
on whether they learn to enjoy it better after awhile.
I have a slow dainty eater. Started with the ground
but had learned to give whole parts. He gives me a
look now, is annoyed with the work he has to do and
then runs outside to wipe his face on the grass when
he is done. He likes the taste better just not the work.

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9. Gorge Feeding: Bloat - Torsion Question
Posted by: "aliciamyan" alicia_larson@msn.com aliciamyan
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

I know this was a recent topic and I read the thread. I have a very
specific case I'd like input on. I've been feeding RAW since the end
of Sept. and haven't had a single issue. I'm getting the hang of it
and my dogs got the hang of it long before I did. For my convenience
and their pleasure, I'd like to start feeding bigger once a day, but am
nervous. My GSD had surgery for bloat/gastric torsion in July. I have
my suspicions about the cause (genetics combined w/kibble and/or cat
food), but of course will never know for sure. I understand that it is
highly unlikely that his stomach will flip again (it was "stitched"
up), but bloat can still be a factor. I've seen no adverse affects
from anything he's eaten and he's had quite the variety (chicken, beef,
pork, duck, elk, deer, organs). Some days, his meals vary in size and
that hasn't been an issue either. I don't want to risk his health for
my convenience, but I also know he enjoys his bigger meals. Is it too
early to feed once daily? Considering his history, would it be too
risky?

Thank you,
Alicia

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10a. Just one question....
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redangelbordeaux" <Erika@...> wrote:
>
> 40# super score of lamb brest for only .99 a lb!
>
WHERE did you get lamb of any kind for this price, and:

A. Do they have any more?

B. Do they ship?

Stock up. It will keep for a long time in the freezer, if you are
worried about feeding too much lamb at a time.

Wendy, drooling at your good fortune

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11a. Re: afraid to feed turkey necks
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
>
> outcats4@ wrote:
> Im concerned about feeding them to my dog. Are they
> > safe ? He isnt a gulper, but there just seems to be so many bones
> in them. Has
> > anyone had any problems with turkey necks?
> *****
...> Turkey necks bones are easy peasy to crunch; my 10lb cat can do
> serious harm to a hen turkey neck all by her lonesome. I can
> understand why you perceive them as daunting but really, they are not.

Chris, would they be a good choice for a small dog who is reluctant to
tackle bone in his meals, but adores wreck bones? I want to get all
the old marrow bones out of the house, but am in need of something to
fill their place in his heart and tummy. I think my cats would enjoy
them, too.

Thanks!

Wendy

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12a. Small Chihuahua Starting RAW
Posted by: "Kelly" kpetska@mgmmirage.com kpet1218
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:44 pm ((PST))

Hello everyone,

Today will be day three since I have started my male 1 year old 3.3
pound Chihuahua on raw. Day 1 I offered him a whole chicken wing.
He chewed up the bone and all of the third section and then I ended
up pulling the meat off the rest and he ate the bone in the second
section. (I know, from reading older posts I guess this
is "babying".) Last night I offered a chicken quarter. He was
gnawing with his back teeth on the skin of it but I dont' think he
ever got much off of it (skin). I flipped it over so he could see
the meaty parts but it's like he's trying to be all dainty about it.
Do I just let him poke around for a while then pick it up and try
again the next day and just continue till he figures out he needs to
pin the dang thing down and rip it up? I don't have time in the
morning to supervise a 30-60 min picky eating session so he'd be
waiting a full 24 hours.

Also, he's only pooped 1/4 of a TEASPOON since the chicken wing
Tuesday night. I bought some pure pumpkin last night (no, not pie
filling) to offer him tonight if he still hasn't pooped - he hasn't
even tried to poop since Wednesday morning.

I'm offering the chicken quarter from last night that he never really
got much of again tonight. I ended up pulling the leg off of it (the
leg is bigger than his head).

I'm open to suggestions/comments - anything :) My main concerns are
blockage/perf from the bones - I've read many of the old posts and
the internet links on this as well. How long till he gets the hang
of this?

Kelly Petska

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12b. Re: Small Chihuahua Starting RAW
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:53 pm ((PST))

Kelly,

Chicken wings are mainly bone...you need to make sure he is getting more
meat. You could "ribbon" the meat on the quarters...or get some breasts and
slice into them in a few spots to give him a starting point. Add meat
rather than pumpkin (which isn't an appropriate food).

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Kelly" <kpetska@mgmmirage.com>

Also, he's only pooped 1/4 of a TEASPOON since the chicken wing
Tuesday night. I bought some pure pumpkin last night (no, not pie
filling) to offer him tonight if he still hasn't pooped - he hasn't
even tried to poop since Wednesday morning.

I'm offering the chicken quarter from last night that he never really
got much of again tonight. I ended up pulling the leg off of it (the
leg is bigger than his head).

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13a. Re: Today's finding;Turkey liver and Vitamin A
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2007 2:02 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 12/6/2007 10:50:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com writes:

That was surprising finding.

If you compare with chicken liver

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Ak.html

Same 1 ounce has roughly 3000 IU(1/7 of Turkey liver amount)!!

Yassy,

i know i've told you this a bunch of times before.. but i'm gonna try again.

Organs are a VERY small part of the overall diet and liver is an even smaller
amount of that.

we cut up 2 turkeys last week? or the week before? and got 2 turkey livers.
the hearts i gave to the fish, and the gizzards went with the livers to the
dogs that finished eating and came back to the kitchen first (Tara Belle
(belgian/wolf) and Pugsley(golden)).

The last time any of my 9 dogs had liver of any kind before that was when we
dug the last of the buffalo livers out of the freezer and everybody had a nice
sized hunk o liver 2 nights in a row with their regular meal, probably last
month or october..

IMO, you're spending too much time worrying about things that take care of
themselves naturally. If you feed Palette the entire turkey, with it's giblets
before moving on to the next type of meat, she will have eaten enough liver
for the amount of turkey she had. Same goes with pork, if you buy and feed
through an entire pig, the liver that came with that pig will be enough for the
amount of meat and edible bone in that same pig. And you wouldn't be feeding
liver every day or even every other day..

Do you see where i'm going? Give Palette the turkey liver, let her enjoy it.
And in a week or two.. or three.. give her some more liver or some other
organs from another animal. it really does balance out over time, it doesn't
have to be perfect at every meal or even in every week.

All that measuring and worrying about details will wear you down.. or
actually it would wear me down, i can't necessarily speak for you. But if i
approached raw feeding with that type of precision i would be nuts in a week (not to
say that i'm not already looooony) and i would have given up trying to feed my
dogs a healthy diet and returned to kibble before i ever saw the benefits of
feeding raw.

Catherine R.

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